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CB's for Gunner Givens to Clemson. Our in state recruiting is at depths we have never seen before. Even in the 70's and 80's before CFB heydays we got a lot of the big name Virginia kids. Not sure what has happened to burn all these bridges but is a disaster and going to be hard for anybody to turn it around.
It's possible at this point that recruits see the writing on the wall...
Even if we weren't a raging tire fire stuck inside a dumpster fire - Clemson, Ohio State, and all the other blue bloods are going to get who they are going to get.
Take out this last year and we're still basically a .500 P5 team. Hard to win over a top 25 guy in the whole damn country.
Beamers done it
Not really? He was much better than Fuente (and I've never denied that), but we definitely missed out on top VA talent under Beamer all the time, especially towards the end. But the fact that we've been a .500 P5 team for the past decade is both a Beamer and a Fuente issue. Certainly more Fu than Beamer, but still on both of them.
But sure, let's have the same debate we had in November, October, September, August, July, June, etc. again today and every day until we win or fire Fuente. It's super fun!
Beamer landed the number 1 recruit in the country. What's Fuente highest ever?
Fucking cool. It was 2001. Frank Beamer isn't coming back through that locker room door. I literally said I'm not defending the idea that Fuente is better than Beamer, I'm just tired of people bitching and moaning nonstop about how much we suck, how disappointing recruiting is - we fucking know. People have written about how the last few years of Beamer weren't all that different recruiting wise than the first few of Beamer. It's fallen off since then. Again, we know.
Chances are none of us on this site are in a position to change things. If anyone did, they'd have probably would have donated by now. But some of y'all can change your attitude. Quit letting college football and negativity ruin your life. Enjoy the guys who want to here.
I'm with you. Negativity on this site is almost enough to give it up.
Bah humbug.
How is correcting for accuracy being negative?
The problem is not the negativity, the problem is the one line comments that add nothing of value to the conversation.
The Negative-Nancies and the Over-Optomistic-Olivers both need take the time to research and write an insightful comments. Strive for quality over quantity and facts over emotion. Keep your bitching in the vent threads, and your unbridled optimism in the fam threads. If someone is 'too negative' or 'too positive' for you, then either (1) reply with a well thought out response using numbers/facts to support your POV or (2) just ignore their post, and don't add further noise.
You called us a raging dumpster fire l, now you want to take the high ground and call me negative after I corrected you?
I called it a dumpster fire three weeks ago, after the Pitt game when it looked like mass opt-outs and staff changes were coming. Does that make me a hypocrite for calling you out on negativity a couple days ago? Probably, but I think things changed in the last three weeks and context is key. I don't think there is anything wrong with being negative (I don't know how many times I have to say this, but I'm disappointed too) my point is that pining for 20 years ago doesn't help.
Getting the number one recruit in the country when you are at the peak of your program, versus missing out on top guys in-state after your second losing season in three years is not comparable. Recruiting practices have changed, teams and coaches have changed, and that is okay. We punched above our weight for 20 years, at a time we didn't have an indoor practice facility, big recruiting staffs, and even online recruiting tools. I think it would be fair to say Fuente had a harder job than we thought, but it's still possible to say he hasn't done enough and potentially made things worse.
My problem is with people who just low effort, shit post on the program. The people who continually shit on recruiting without taking a moment to be happy for the kids that signed. The people that think Whit and Sands are intentionally sinking the program because they decided against buying out our coaching staff, paying the buyout to hire a new staff, and then signing that new staff less than a month after instituting a department wide budget cut, and at a time when the University as a whole is facing up to a $300m deficit. There is truth to a lot of it, but it's exhausting to read all the time and often doesn't add more to the discussion when people keep repeating the same points over and over and over...
I could have been more nuanced, but my point in saying that Beamer has done it is that it was done and can be done again. Even into the late 2000s early 2010s Beamer was bringing highly rated talent in, between Fuller, DW, Logan Thomas, Bucky Hodges, Tim Settle, etc. I did not like that your post seemed defeatist that we will always be fighting for scraps. I just don't think that's true. I think with the correct coach, staff, and apparently administration, we could return to landing top talent.
That is beyond fair - my biggest worry is that if we fired Fuente, I'm not sure we'd be able to compete with Auburn for the type of caliber coach that could swing the needle at this time. I think they have a better shot next year. In the meantime, I think investing in the program the allegedly pledged buyout money, combined with (hopefully) loosening COVID restrictions allowing us to unleash Tapp, Corey Fuller, Jeron Gouveia-Winslow along with the rest of the staff on the state could help start building that capacity.
I still think this class could actually turn out well with a February signing or two. Swinging Howard and Sims late were good. Keon Coleman could be big, but I'm not sure we need more skill players. Maybe some late OT/DTs and a transfer or two, and this could absolutely be salvaged in a way that would work for Fuente and/or future coaches.
I think it's going to be even worse next year because of how few moves were made this year. And I don't think we were ever competing with Auburn for a coach. Most people are thinking they will go after an established P5 head coach. Aside from Clawson, that doesn't sound like what we were considering
Beamer landing the number one recruit in 2001: not relevant
Beamer needing 6 years to turn the program around in 1992: totally relevant
Every team that faces scholarship sanctions has a regression. Plus the VT head coaching salary back then was 80K. 1987 is ancient history. Hard to compare anything back then to the landscape now. I don't think it's relevant.
I think Rocco is simply pointing out the flawed reasoning in the post that they are responding to, not saying that they agree that the first fact is irrelevant and the second is relevant.
Bingo.
20 vs 30 years ago may as well be the same dot on the horizon from today.
The line that represents the fortuitous but non-replicable anecdote is probably not relevant.
The line that represents the decades long pattern of consistent results is likely relevant.
Believe it or not, it is possible to have nuanced opinion, and recognize that (1) Beamer never 'dominated' the state of VA, except for a two year period from 2005-2006, and we tend to romanticize his efforts and (2) Fuente is underperforming (in general) in recruiting, especially in the state of VA.
The geography of college football has drastically changed since Beamer was hired. Beamer's efforts could not be easily recreated today. That doesn't mean Fuente's results are acceptable; it just means that he faces a different set of challenges than Beamer did.
2006 is the only year Tech recruiting was this bad in state.
not a problem. All we gotta do is beat Clemson saturday and we're golden. that's how this works, right? /s
A marquee win certainly wouldn't hurt our recruiting possibilities. But consistent Wins (especially in the games we're supposed to win...) would probably help a lot more. Go figure.
Depending on how things shake out within the program this could be a very interesting month in terms of recruiting.
I would imagine that until the seasons over we wont see much barring a miracle saturday night. Everyone else and especially recruits arent stupid or blind they can see what a dumpster fire we are and until the coaching situation unfolds I wont be expecting any real news until then. If any news drops the next week or two itll be transfers and opt outs but after the UVA game I expect we see the flood gates open.
If we are getting a new coach....will he bring a few 4* recruits to push this class forward? That to me is the biggest thing to look out for in the next few months.
Stop wishing so much for the 4* or 5*'s and start hoping for better scouting and better talent development. If we can actually develop what we have and and utilize it well have more checks in the win column which in turn boosts morale and in turn recruiting. Atm we are recruiting bad coaching bad and developing very little. The ones that do develops only stand out as "playmakers" bc no one else has the ability to. Look at how our transfers don't start or play or really make an impact anywhere else as compared to w/ us. We have fallen that far
I actually think the current staff is pretty good at scouting, they just can't attract recruits, so they wind up recruiting options C, D, and E, because options A and B chose to go elsewhere.
I'd agree but even our high recruits don't perform to their ranking or preferred standard. They peform decent that's about it. Other ACC schools don't seem to have that problem as frequent as us. Clemsons players tend to always outperform their ranking.
Lastly I believe that it's a mixture of scouting and recruits goin elsewhere.
What Clemson players outperform their ranking? You can make an argument for Wake or Duke but 4* kids playing like 5* kids when they are surrounded by 5* kids doesn't mean they have outperformed their ranking. It just means life is a little easier when you are surrounded by 5* players... and playing against mostly 3* players....
Until recently Clemson has not been recruiting at top 5, but has been beating teams like bama and Osu who frequently out recruit Clemson. Clemson does very good with player development.
Clemson has had a few classes that have been a little misleading in their size. They've been top 5 in avg rating before. Over .92 avg rating in 17 class and over .93 in 2018 class but both under 20 commits.
Their 2018 class had five five stars and two more guys over .97
Their big thing has been hitting on those dudes. All five of those five stars have been good to great players. One of the .97's was Justyn Ross. The other .97 transferred. So they hit on 6 of their top 7 from that class which is huge, even for top teams.
Even before then the guys who made the biggest impacts on their rise were mostly 4 and 5 stars: Boyd, Nuk, Sammy, Stephone Anthony, Shaq Lawson, Mike Williams, Deon Cain, Deshaun Watson, Dexter Lawrence, Ferrell, Wilkins, Austin Bryant, O'Daniel, Tre Lamar, Mac Alexander, Tankersley, Jayron Kearse, Artavis Scott, and many more that's just top of my head stuff.
They have also hit on QBs every other year. Only time they have really been mortal in the last 8 years were the year Watson and Cole Stoudt split snaps and the Kelly Bryant year. That covers up a ton of flaws.
I must admit, 'Interesting' isn't the first descriptor that comes to mind
i cannot imagine we get one more recruit this cycle. Who in their right mind, unless desperate for an any ACC/P5 offer, would commit to Tech right now?
There should be a DECEMBER 2020 FOOTBALL DECOMMITMENT THREAD. I guarantee there will be more numbers there than the rest of the recruiting cycle with Fu at the helm.
oh there you are, sunshine. I was hoping to see you comment on this thread.
It has been pretty damn cloudy here for several years. Where is the sunshine? I missed it.
I have sat back, donated and watched someone trash something I love and taken no responsibility for it, except to blame it on player execution, lack of experience, bad leftovers from Beamer, down recruiting (flavor of the day reason), COVID, and anything but his coaching and pathetic program leadership.
"We don't change coaching based on results." Fu
I guess we won't change evaluation of talent and areas to recruit either because everything is perfect right now. "The story has been written, we just have to get there." Sad story.
do you have a source for that first quote because google search only shows this comment and another one by you with the same unsourced quote
Do you really think I would waste my time and fabricate a quote in some weird, sneaky plot to sabotage Fu and/or this forum just for the hell of it? You went out and Googled it??? LOL.
It was from one of his post game pressers following one of our many losses this year. I don't recall which and don't have time or the patience to watch him again to dig it up for you. If you are so inclined, it was probably from either Wake or Liberty since it was inextricably laughable to me when he said it based on the situation.
I'm not accusing you of fabricating anything, i'm curious where you heard it since you seem to base a lot of your opinions on something that i hadn't seen before (or since)
Yeah, the statement was so outlandish, I cannot help myself from including it here and there. I use it more as supporting evidence than a basis of my opinions. This program's status, led by Fu, right now stands on its own.
I remember it too. Dont recall which game. I seem to remember the quote being that they do not change how they coach based on specific game results. I took it to mean how they train and develop in practice versus adjusting to playcalling etc. But we are in divorce stage now so everything is viewed as if Fuente is the devil.
If you can't win the easy ones consistently, you gotta at least recruit well to dangle the carrot for us fans. If you cant do either in year 5 then it usually means the boot. I think he stays 1 more year before Whit finds the right person.
no there shouldn't be because each decommit would get his own thread as per the guidelines in the OP
There should be a DECEMBER 2020 FOOTBALL DECOMMITMENT THREAD. I guarantee there will be more numbers there than the rest of the recruiting cycle with Fu at the helm.
not with Luke Fickell coming to town. WE Gonna 'cruit some new playas.
I appreciate the work going into the thread but man is our recruiting just depressing right now, hopefully with a coaching change things perk up and in that case this thread could get pretty wild
Salem twins decommit from ULM and decide to stay home 🦃
https://twitter.com/jaybreezy_06/status/1333963040828633088?s=21
Those are some damn big DB's
Both got around a .09 bump today in ratings
I haven't seen that anywhere, was it from ESPN?
I just noticed their composite score changed, i didn't notice who's ranking changed for them
Might have been rivals as well
Sooooo am I reading too far into this orrrrrr....?
https://twitter.com/dharv5theboss/status/1334004612324413440?s=21
I'll raise you this one...
https://twitter.com/dharv5theboss/status/1333264371200393216
it goes out to all the haters who claim to be Hokies
My take away is social media is toxic and people need to step away from their keyboards. That's not a VT issue alone but certainly applies. Imagine being supportive of our team while still wanting them to be better than they currently are. 🤷♂️
Or the football equivalent:
Looks like there have been some CBs shift in Devin Lee from Ole Miss to Virginia Tech in the past couple days - from Wiltfong and a local Ole Miss guy. They are low numbers, but it sounds like he could be getting processed from Ole Miss.
It also sounded like we are going after a DT currently committed to South Florida, Desmond Mamudi, who got a CB from Evan Watkins last week. Not sure the numbers after the twins, and the opts outs, but the staff is certainly trying to fill out the roster.
The numbers always work out
What does it mean to get processed?
What a great segue, because I finally figured out the other player. Getting processed basically is when someone, Player A, is a scholarship take for School A, but School A is still looking at recruiting other players at Player A's position. So they offer Player B, and B seems interested in also accepting. If the numbers aren't there the school looks to the Player A and says they won't honor the scholarship and give him the opportunity to start looking elsewhere early so he doesn't have to face the embarrassment of trying to sign with a school that won't give him a scholarship anymore.
In this case Devin Lee (Player A) is a soft commit at Ole Miss, but a (probably soon to be higher rated) JUCO DT, Isaiah Iton (Player B), just got a CB to Ole Miss. Since they are in the hunt for other highly rated DTs like Tywone Malone, they let Lee know he can start looking to other schools. And now we're back in the race to get him.
I am so dumb that I didn't know that is how you spelled segue.
That kind of stinks for Lee but that's the nature of the beast.
Didn't we do that to the kid from Arkansas?
Yeah then the guy we tired to get went too OSU😔
I came really close to including "segway" in a presentation during my first semester in my doctorate program 😬
Officially decommitted from ole miss yesterday
At the risk of setting the website back five months, Naquan Brown has decommitted from LSU. Maybe I should have made this a new thread called "Please Don't Burn Down The Site."
hoping for the best for the young man,
It's more likely LSU decommitted from him
Yeah, most people clued in to this recruitment never expected him to finish in their class, even right when he committed. I am not one of those people clued in, but they were confident, and all the smoke around this seems to be suggesting they were right from the start.
oof, his rating history on 247 is not great
https://247sports.com/PlayerSport/Naquan-Brown-at-Ocean-Lakes-241129/Rec...
tweener on the edge type, rating mostly based on whether he can put on weight and still stay quick
Do we have any interest in him? Does he have any interest in us?
I'd suggest searching his name on this site. There was a LOT of commentary on here after he decommitted from here. Short answer - my guess is not much interest from us. Like gobble gobble chumps mentioned, I think programs are worried about his weight and speed, and his ratings keep going down. Granted, that may have been before when we thought we'd still get a good recruiting class. From what French said, I still don't know if he's a take for what Teerlinck is trying to do. All this may go out the window if a new coach is announced this year.
He just committed to Pittsburgh btw
It always was gonna be Pitt in the end
Quick... list all the reasons that VT can never hope to compete with Pitt on the recruiting trail and tell me how they've always had the ability to recruit better than VT but they were just waiting on the right coach... and then tell me how coaching really doesn't have much of an impact on recruiting.
Huh? I knew it was gonna be Pitt because they were the 2nd choice behind LSU for him and our staff didn't want him cause he doesn't fit our scheme
Must. Resist. Urge to snark. Strong.
Our scheme does suck but if and I mean BIG IF fuente is still the coach next year why would you recuirt a player that doesn't fit?
I'm not actually replying to you or critiquing what you're saying directly. I just find the sad predictability of VT recruiting darkly humorous at this point...
Oh my bad😂
There are plenty of highly ranked recruits who don't fit Tech's or other schools goals. Offering a star ranking to offer is why we had Holland Fisher and Joel Caleb.
Sure... but at this point "doesn't fit our scheme" is a meme for the flaccid windsock that is VT recruiting.
I don't care how bad recruiting is, taking guys that don't fit what your system asks of a player is dumb. I can't speak to how much this particular player does or doesn't fit though.
Primanti Bros
Spearmint Rhino
Cheerleaders
Oooo that one cheerleader from the tsl photos. Man. She'd be worth having to each ham and french fry sandwiches for four years.
Sorry, but no way the kid in this photo is a DE.
I could see him as a DB, but then everyone has commented on his speed being non-existent. So yeah, I feel for him because he may struggle finding a spot.
That was fast.
I don't believe he was ever committed to us.
Oh, I think you're right, but I think at one point he seemed pro-Tech and had all the crystal balls for us. Regardless, there was a lot of discussion on here about not being able to land him. Maybe I was thinking of Latrell Neville that was committed and left?
Unless he grew any, he is smaller than Eli Adams, who has barely gotten onto the field this year. Doesn't seem to fit what Teerlinck wants at the POC, especially if VT goes back to trying to contain the run with six in the box like they did when the season opened.
Yeah, hard to see where he fits in any 4-3 scheme right now.
His current frame doesn't look nearly ready for P5 DE and his 5.13 40 time says transition to stand-up LB isn't in the cards.
If he can put on some mass and maintain explosiveness his "fit" appears as a 3-4 Rusher or Edge.
Understand why VT didn't likely have much interest, but it will be disappointing if he goes in to be really successful at Pitt. Another 757 player headed out-of-state, becoming almost an expectation at this point.
The "VT" logos around Lane like this have always bothered me. How does that happen???
Because he made a "VT" for him to read and not the one for "TV" (or a picture). At least that's how I've taught myself how to make it correctly for photo's/cameras. I know they teach it in orientation but it's not really focused on for grad students or parents 😜
No I mean the VT's actually in Lane. The one in the tweet (which is no longer showing up as an embed) shows the one in stone over the tunnel and it looks like garbage
edit: maybe the tweet we deleted for some reason? But the disfigured VT's still exist
It is back up and I do not see any disfigured VTs you mention.
I know this is not an ideal way to share, but here is an example
Proportions are off
Got a screenshot? the tweet is unavailable for me.
(Reposted tweet following NCAA rules)
Do we know what rules needed to be followed?
Couldn't have Shane in any of the pictures with DJ because of the dead period
Shane?!
Coach Shane Beamer
Well, this won't age well.
:(
I feel like they could do cool shit with the cut outs. Like give each players their own "squad" whether that's family or friends or whatever and highlight a different player every day on social media
Over the past two years I've exclusively covered southwest PA Football. Kid from Belle Vernon named Cole Weightman is getting alot of love from VT and vice versa. Probably the best LB in the state next year.
I was on hand to see him completely pick apart an historically great and unique triple option offense for Week 1.
I think he's already gotten a bunch of offers but he's waiting until the offers are official and in writing before posting everything
Was also part of a defense that didn't allow a point in the first three games (and one of those he was man to man against Pitt Commit Nahki Johnson)
Watch this tape- this kid is going to be a special player if we keep on him. I know Wisconsin is also a big school on his mind, Penn State hasn't been as interested as VT and Wisky
Tell me what you think of him guys!
Good to see ya man!
Thanks for posting-definitely a 5 star name
He was listed as a tight end, but he responded to my retweet with this:
Discourse; surprise;) just looked at 247: UVA 23 recruits; ranking 25. VT 23 recruits; ranking 44. Are there enough diamonds in the rough to overcome this? lol
Bryce Carter to UVA. IDK you tell me, maybe never a true VT target or had any interest but he had an offer from us.
This eerily reminds me of our previous dominance and how the roles have reversed to a degree.
The difference is, even though they were good before, we still beat them. They're good now, and we lost last year. They have an actual coach, who understands a top 25 recruiting class can compete for Coastal titles.
We don't have that coach right now, and won't until January. Maybe. How we didn't translate 18 and 19 recruiting classes to a good class in 20 still boggles my mind. Or how we are whiffing on our top targets in 21 knowing we need a strong class....
2024 Zion Brown in the Tx HS playoffs as a Freshman, closed the regular season losing opposite North Shore and Dee Davis. Zion looking very very good. 21 TDs in 4 games.
Loves VT and Beau Davidson. Don't want to think about the possible coaching change, but I wouldn't be surprised if he committed once offered.
https://247sports.com/college/virginia-tech/LongFormArticle/College-foot...
Found this on 247 - wondering if any of these QBs might worth it.
Looks like Josh Jackson is available.
Maybe Taisun Phommachanh if the Tony Elliott rumors are correct.
For as excited as I was to see Devin Lee potentially flip from Ole Miss to us, he has picked up a lot of crystal balls to Vanderbilt in the last day or two. Might have to deal with them hiring Notre Dame's defensive coordinator as their head coach, might have to do with Lee wanting to play in the SEC.
Picked up a commitment from Jordan Greenhow out of Glen Allen HS.
ATH most likely a slot receiver, but could play running back as well...
It is a preferred walk-on opportunity
Not sure if it's refreshing or disheartening that no one is trying to sell that 2022 will be a special year for recruiting.
Dohn and Watkins projecting a flip from a Wake Forest commit this morning on DJ Sims, a receiver out of Richmond. He officially decommitted this morning.
Unfortunately, also seeing a lot of CBs flip from VT to MSST for Canon Boone.
Canon Boone is the only OT in our class.
Fuente mentioned during TTL that there were a couple of guys that weren't committed that he expected to sign on Wednesday, so there's that.
He also expected DD to stay committed to the class. I guess we'll see.
and Auburn fired Malzhan so wonder how DD feels now. Was he 8000% committed?
I didn't think about that. Karma's a bitch.
Looks like we will swing WR DJ Sims and the DT Desmond Mamudi tomorrow. It looked like we would snag Devin Lee until Clark Lea to Vandy happened.
If we lose Canon Boone, as we are predicted to, we may need to look for a transfer OT and another DT.
I know a lot goes into the decision but our OL under Vice have outperformed their rankings in general. That seems like a pretty attractive prospect if I'm a lineman
More recruits with multiple P5 offers, please.
While I agree in general, this year is a weird year where a lot of good players won't get correctly scouted. If Fuente & Co can use this to their advantage, then our class could be underrated. Or, it could accurately reflect its ranking.
Man, it sucks when you have to hope for the best, but you're expecting the worst...
I hear you, but that's giving Fuente and his staff the benefit of the doubt, which they absolutely do not deserve at this point when it comes to recruiting.
Well, we don't have much choice in the matter. This whole experience is really teaching me that I need to stop tying any part of my happiness to things out of my control.
I'll counter - I actually think this staff is pretty good at scouting. They're bad at closing. If they can out-scout everyone else, and they have limited competition due to other teams not having access to these players, then they might be able to find some success.
That's the optimistic spin - not saying that I believe it will happen, but IF this class turns out to be successful, this is how/why.
I sure hope so. Though it's concerning that they found one single contributor - Strong - from the last class, in a year where everyone was eligible to play. Wooten played some, but didn't make much of an impact.
Darrisaw, Mitchell, Farley - definite scouting wins. It's a shame that their development doesn't lead to actual wins.
No kidding...I saw a mock draft today that had Farley and Darrisaw as first round picks (10 and 21, respectively)
I saw a mock 2wks ago that had both going in the Top 15...I hope that you are right because I would love for WFT to grab Darrisaw in the 15-20 range............
Yes... but also Farley and Mitchell were two of the highest rated players in their respective classes.
James Mitchell was a 4*, a low 4*, but still a blue-chip recruit nonetheless. Additionally, he was among the coveted VA Top 10 rankings
Farley, a high 3* on the composite was rated a 93 4* by 247 in house rankings, #6 ATH, and 178th overall recruit. So neither of those guys were the kind of mid 3* guys we have been loading up on the last two classes.
Another often cited developmental win was also accurately pegged by 247 in house rankings, Dalton Keene. They had him three spots behind Caleb Farley as the #9 ATH in the country, a 92 rated 4*, and a top 200 player in the country (183rd).
I still hold some optimism for this class, and for a couple more of those 2020 guys to hit. Bar and I have long been in agreement over the potential market inefficiencies in this recruiting cycle and scouting. Time will tell if we were one of the programs that took the most advantage of it.
If we miss on our top 4 or 5 choices, let's say choice 1 is a 5 or high 4*, choices two and 3 are mid to low 4*, and choices 4 and 5 are high to mid high 3*, then we end up with low 3*.......that does not make them good at scouting. That's just the ability to look at 247 which we literally all do on this forum. If they were truly good at scouting, it would show up in the record.
Your point still has some merit and I know you're just giving optimistic spin, but I do not think they're "good" at scouting when we have seen the big board and the top choices are already recognized as such on the scouting services that are free to the world.
The average 247 composite rankings for the 20 class was 84.98. The average rankings for the 21 class is 85.09. A difference of 0.11. The only thing preventing 2021 from being a class in the 70s is the sheer number of commits. Not the quality of the players.
Well, would the class have been in the 70s with more recruits? What would a class of five 5 stars be ranked (and no other recruits)? I'm not at all trying to give Fuente a pass on recruiting, but trying to be at least a little bit more objective about how bad the failure really was. My new mantra is - we're paying a top 25 salary, we should expect top 25 recruiting classes and be ranked in the top 25 at the end of the season. I mean, scoring 16 against Wake Forest, a team known for their dominant defensive line, blazing fast linebackers and ruthless safeties - wait, they're not known for any of that shit - why did we only score 16? I mean, I know we've been bad at recruiting, but not losing to Liberty bad.
We don't pay too 25 when you add in private schools. So yes we pay top 35 and we should never have a recruiting outside that number.
Miami, USC, Stanford, and Notre Dame are the only private schools that should be out recruiting us. Don't hit me with Baylor, Syracuse, Boston College, or Northwestern.
You're somewhat naive about what Baylor and Northwestern can bring to the table in 2020.
Baylor was a flash in the pan because of RG3 and they went 2-7 this year. They will always be competing for 3rd best in Texas.
Northwestern had a good season, but they will consistently be competing for fifth best team in the Big10 in the long term.
Disagree re: Baylor; 3rd best team in Texas still gives you access to a lot of talent.
I agree re: Northwestern. They are a team that is looking at one division title every 4-5 years. BC, Syracuse, Duke, etc have an even lower ceiling.
Is Baylor the 3rd best? I would typically choose Texas Tech as third and tie Baylor with TCU. I don't see the hype.
I think you're coming at this from the view of someone who thinks of Baylor from the pre-Briles days, and TCU from the pre-B12 days. The current reality is that Baylor and TCU have financial advantages over TT, have had more recent success (has TT had any success since leach left?) and (at least in the case of TCU) location advantages over TT. Texas Tech (or Kansas) is probably the hardest job in the B12 in 2020.
They'll always have the Harrell/Crabtree game though. Man...that was a hell of a game.
It was.
But the crazy thing is, they haven't won their division since that season. They haven't won their conference since they were in the SWAC in 1994 (That team went 6-6 and was coached by Sony Dykes father, Spike Dykes). They've only had 6 double digit win seasons in school history (2008, 76, 73, 53, 38, 32). To TBJ's point, Baylor's history is pretty similar, except they've had five double-digit-win seasons in the past 9 years.
Oklahoma and Texas (99% of that time being Oklahoma) can be a dick 🤷♂️
I mean, maybe, but it took Rhule a 3 year rebuild to see success then he bolted, now they just finished a terrible year one under another coach. They have potential, but it looks like for some reason every new coach there has to rebuild starting with a nearly winless record, and some coaches will be able to do it, but many will not and they cycle repeats. And under each of the regimes, Briles, Rhule, Aranda, they still don't recruit well. They're a consistent average .85-.86 landing classes in the 30s-40s. So despite all of that private money they supposedly have, they still don't have the horses to compete year after year. I don't see the appeal. But I respect your opinion
You're completely missing what matters in recruiting.
Five 5*s for 2022, or at least the top 5 alone, would be a class rating of 143.60, which would be 83rd based on current 2021 team rankings.
We were told by Fuente this would be an elite class.
2022 is our year duh
Not sure where to post this, but we might need a few top rated OL in a hurry as Greg Roberts is reporting that Nester and Hudson have started the process of entering the transfer portal.
That's just terribly sad news (if true) as our OL is a truly proud unit. Maybe the only group outside RB to feel that way.
Well Vice's family did just move to Tennessee so his son could play basketball.
The timing of all this makes me concerned Vice isn't far behind.
I don't know how confident I feel in the RB room with Herbert gone if he leaves this off-season
So 21 class is starting to round out, jumped up to 43, and may get a couple of more 3* flips b/t now and February. Using the 247 class calculator:
To get into the 30's, would need a 4*, possibly DJ Harvey being bumped up would get us high 30's
To get into the 20's, would need (2) 4* or (1) 5*
Are there realistically any potential 4* or 5* talents the staff wants to kick the tires on, or is this class about done? I'm speculating we're about 90% done.
We recruit in the 40s and the sky is falling. We recruit in the 20s and have two 4 stars get kicked off the team, we call it the Beamer years.
Mostly kidding but it does show you that it isnt that much difference 25 to 50. Cumulative bad years add up though.
This is pretty true. It's what appears to me to be year after year of unbalanced positional recruiting that concerns me more than whether a player is 0.84 or an 0.87. Really isn't much difference in that regard until you get to the 0.91+.
Beamer's last 4 full classes averaged around 9 top 500 composite players a class. We have 2 top 500 players in the last 2 classes combined. I do think this class has some potential and I'm always excited to welcome new Hokies, but on paper recruiting has seriously fallen off.
No argument here. Talent is required, that is undeniable. I guess where I am in the whole thing though is that a team can recover from a bad year or two as long as a respectable portion of the lower rated guys at least become contributors. But, blue chip talent is absolutely needed on a roster to consistently have the firepower to win.
We've done a fine job at beating out the likes of App State, UNC Charlotte, Buffalo, Air Force and UCF today
It is interesting how many RBs and WRs we've recruited (and continue to sign) during the Fuente era, maybe to the detriment of other positions (here's looking at the DL). And yet somehow we still need to hit the portal to get production at those two positions.
picked up a couple in-state PWOs
https://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/jordan--greenhow/kM2HkmiSEeeT-Oz0u-e-FA...
Glad I saw you posted this so I didn't have to drink this early - but I like it. Nothing wrong with bringing guys in from a talent rich part of VA. We hear all the time about how we've "ruined" in state relationships so let's rebuild them.
yeah, would love to get more Hokies from highland springs
Couldn/t agree more. The highly touted out of state recruits will follow once we can begin to recruit out state better.
I don't see how this class moves the needle.
Gonna take on the ACC with UCF/App State level players?
We can't even be happy for these kids for half a day?
There's room here for a both-and discussion. we need to hit on an awful lost of these underrated, big time development candidates for this class (and the one prior) to carry us back towards the top of the conference. We can be both excited about the potential and skeptical of the floor at the same time.
I also think it's fair to question recruiting rankings this year, since there were not a ton of camps and such
Edit: Not saying that the stars don't matter or anything like that, just that we might see some more productive three star guys than normal
Not to mention Virginia didn't have a high school football season, so anybody that hit a growth spurt or put on serious muscle wouldn't have the ability to show that off. Not saying all our VA recruits are like this, just that there's likely more uncertainty with regards to recruiting rankings this year
I think most importantly we need to take a healthy mindset with recruiting - numbers/rankings aren't perfect, these kids want to be Hokies, and at this age almost all of recruits will need to develop more. It's true some have lower floors than others, but there's no reason to shit on a guy before he ever takes a practice rep. Low rated guys get drafted in the first rounds and "can't miss" guys miss.
New flip and signed
Just looked on 247 at the transfer portal...wow... there are way more transfers than i thought. Personally, i know this is an unpopular opinion, but if we continue to bring in quality transfers (BB, Herbert, Blackshear, just to name a few) then I think that makes up for the poor recruiting class. If we have quality guys who can win us games and elevate our program, I dont really care how they get here. IMO, just bc its not the traditional way of bringing guys up from the HS level, I dont care. I want to win.
Theres a pile of highly rated QBs currently in the portal along with RBs; heres to hoping we can fill in some depth.
We could definitely use some CPR (College Portal Recruits) during the off-season.
i'm with you on this, as long as we win.
We brought in a lot of kids and they started this year. Some really increased their draft stock for sure. However, we didn't really win. That's the concerning part for me.
Thought I heard someone recently say there are like 1400 names in the portal. No idea if true, but that's a lot of players. With the extra year of eligibility and all schools having more than 85 players, playing time issues will be bigger issue for many kids, pushing them to the portal.
We are going to need a few from the portal..
Yes, fill the holes where we need them but this doesn't make sense with what Whit/Fu are selling us on. Are we a development program or not?
(We're not).
We are in discussions with Charlie Brewer. No idea if there's mutual attraction, just that we're talking to him.
TBH, I don't see it. He was okay at Baylor, but I would rather see Burmeister get a fair shot for a season since it's his last, with Kadum and Bullock getting 2nd team reps. Maybe add a walk-on for depth. It's just counter intuitive to bring Brewer on. If this was say JaQuinden Jackson, whose got multiple years of eligibility, then yes, let's go, but Brewer's got all of 1 left.
I think at this point he would help a lot. We are incredibly thin at qb and I'm thinking brewer is a guy that doesn't require a lot of time to get up to speed with xs and os. He's played a lot of high level football.
Plus, ALL the brothers.
Charlie is a far superior passer to BB. My biggest concern with Brewer would be to make sure he is healthy enough with his past concussion issues. This is particularly important when you consider how much we run the QB.
So much has been made recently about our training staff and S/C. Anyone with injury history coming to our program right now scares me.
Concussion are a whole different animal from what has been discussed. You can't prevent concussions with better strength and conditioning nor can you prevent it with a better medical team. You also can't treat concussions with anything other than rest.
We spent the past 5 years playing with injured QBs. Every year.
Agreed about being a better passer. I think BB has him beat in the wheels dept. Not to mention BB will have 2 full years in our system (sat one year, played this) on top of the offseasons.
Brewer would be good to have for depth. More than likely QB2 will get some playing time.
Any particular reason not to have some confidence in Knox K. as our back-up QB. He'll be in his third year in the program, and I thought he looked pretty solid in a very difficult situation against Clemson.
i thought so too. he was thrown into a tough situation, and did really well, i thought. i'd like to see him get some more meaningful snaps.
I thought he looked small. He stood next to Blackshear and they looked the same height. And his arms looked skinnier than Tre Turners legs.
I don't really care what our QB looks like as long as he can manage the game, not turn it over, and complete some passes. Ability to play in cold weather would be a plus too.
When the announcers said he was 6'2" (or was it 6'3"?), I thought "he doesn't look remotely close to that".
But BB is listed at 6'2" as well, I think, and he doesn't look close either.
That's not how it works in CornFu land. Gotta bring in multiple QBs with slightly different skillsets, never fully develop them, and then restlessly shift back and forth between them during the sesson.
It's worked wonders so far.
In all seriousness, I think we would be best off sticking with BB and Kadum as backup. Concentrate on developing them. I think getting some depth and more quality at WR is a much more pressing issue. Can have all the QB you want but they need legitimate targets.
I think BB will get a fair shot regardless. But another body in the qb room wouldn't be a bad thing.
Oh the irony here...
We have over recruited the WR position in almost every cycle and somehow this is a place where we aren't thriving as a team. The mismanagement of this roster combined with the shear lack of development in this program is mind-boggling.
Well, Fuente's made it pretty clear that he absolutely hates it when returning starter QBs return, so I'm not surprised he's looking elsewhere. /s
But doesn't BB have two years of eligibility left since 2020 didn't count? Was thinking he'd be a r-Jr.
2022 is the year guys, they are gonna visit every high school in the state. I mean do t worry about the fact it should have been done in year one. Oh, and whit is gonna help fu with being relatable, based on the press conference I'm sure those will be valuable lessons.
No one on this staff will cure the fact that fuente is hated across the state and the planets won't come play for fu. Tapp and smutty may get them here for a visit but fun will keep stepping on recruiting rakes. He just is not the guy. And if you think he is well nobody can help you because you probably think that far dude is bringing you presents next week. Or you write for Spins of Saturday, they are still on the Fu train.
I understand the frustration, but Fuente is going to be here in 2021 whether we like it or not. Can we just shut up and support the team and not bitch about things that haven't even happened yet? For all we know we crush it in recruiting this class as Tapp and co make in roads.
They better get going....UNC just went into the 757 and picked up 4 star Tychaun Chapman
Honestly I am not going to stress 2022 rankings until games are actually played. These dudes are being judged off of sophomore film. Its going to be a class where you had to have nailed your evals instead of going off stars.
Fair enough, but a lot of the top in state talent doesn't even have VT on their radar.
Exactly. How disappointing when I see highly recruited/ranked Virginia kids and VT never even offers.
This is the type of post that hurts TKP.
Nah, nothing I said was false. It was definitely a smart ass post but no lies in the points I made. I can get behind the players and hope they do well AND have realistic expectations that this staff ain't it and accepting it without pushing back at least a little bit is just accepting more of the same. But if you guys want to get huffy about some deserved staff criticism then you do you, boo.
Your opinion is fine but venting about it to a group that already shares mostly the same opinion makes for a miserable atmosphere on TKP. Nobody in the athletic department is reading your criticism on here, so don't make your peers miserable and defend it as if you're fighting for some greater good.
I don't think anyone is really disagreeing with your points. Like 90% of posters here seem to very much agree with you!
But....
Shutting down opposing opinions with derogatory comments before said opinions are even voiced is childish.
And then...
So, yeah. The downvotes are because of your delivery, not your message.
Oh no.....not the down votes...saaawwwffft.
It's an internet chat board on a Hokies fan site. Nobody here is getting a Pulitzer so I think that post in online with the journalistic expectations of the site. If I want to write a post with no profanity, and a reference to Santa being fake it shouldn't really get everyone worked up. I'm glad we all can mostly agree this staff is bad, though. Go Hokies and let's start a new bowl streak next year (is that better)!!!
Wait, this isn't where I earn my Pulitzer?
This is all for naught!
I got you fam
I chuckled at Spins of Saturday... TSL has the most pressure to not trash Fuente though... Probably for the best since Fuente is the guy whether we like it or not. Here's to hoping he can turn it around.
Ryan Silvious, OL at Temple retweeted a couple 247 articles regarding a possible transfer to VT. Free article here that he retweeted:
Dang - that's a lot of January enrollees! Good to get them on campus!
The other transfer name mentioned is Tae Daley, former starting FS at Vandy.
Decommit from Kansas. You know we like our kids with connections to Kansas. Evidently wants to play football and basketball in college. Probably helps Fuente to have Mike Young helping him out!
Not gonna lie, I'm happy to see the HBCUs cutting their teeth in the recruiting game. NC A&T having several incredible years, plus the social movement this year, the Grambling scandal over under funding, Deion Sanders at Jackson St, has put an eye back on HBCUs.
Dont know anything about this kid but interesting nonetheless
Heather's kid
Looks like a decent kid to take a flier on. Now if I only had trust that we had coaches who could help his mechanics and elevate his game.
Looks like a PWO who had an offer from W&M. Woodberry Forest kid so the talent level he faced in high school probably wasn't very strong.
You can see that in his highlights. A lot of uncovered touchdown passes. Hard to tell what his potential could be.
Ultimate Recruit Interview
I like
https://www.hudl.com/profile/9784547/Logan-Richardson
This one probably won't work out here, not a single jet sweep in his highlight reel.
Just messing, this is home Logan.
For which year?
Likely pwo 2021
https://hokiesports.com/news/2020/12/22/mens-soccer-hokies-bring-twelfth...
Even Men's Soccer is recruiting better then Fuente. 12th ranked class in the country.
It helps that VT soccer keeps bringing in guys from the Philadelphia Union academy system, which is right up there with FC Dallas as one of the best in MLS.
This class he loaded up on the DC United Academy players.
Coach Briz is awesome, building from ground up. He is definitely someone who communicates well
Another one likely heading to UNCheat. Only posting here because we made his top 6 and haven't seen anything about him on here. Announcing commitment on Christmas.
Don't worry, we're on the right track. Whit told us that Fuente has a plan
I' GOT A PLAN, ARTHUR. HAVE SOME FAITH
More interested to see if we can somehow pull Hamrick.
Not even in his Top 5. Also one does not look like it belongs here.
Don't worry, we're rollin'!
I think it will do me a world of good to just take an indefinite break from all things VT football related. We're not going to be good for a while. Might as well focus on other things.
Two solid Preferred Walk-Ons announced to VT this week. Fu has this thing rolling. We got what we got , so just hoping/praying for the best. Maybe there is more hope in Fu mining the portal. Lots of talent there.
Picking up PWOs does not compare to missing out on Virginia/NC 4 stars. I don't see how one even begins to compare. Nowhere in the same universe.
Our best hope for the near term recruiting cycle(s) certainly seems to lie with mining the Portal. Seems like Fu needs to place even more emphasis, and probably resources on the transfer market.
That one is probably an Academic fallback plan
I said this earlier and people got upset but recruiting classes in the 50s or lower (which this class will likely be by the FEB signing day) are the norm as long as the fu is in charge now that the word is out about him. He skated by for a couple years but the last two and this next one coming up don't look too good.
Glad we are at the point in the thread where we are railing against the staffs inability to recruit at an even remotely competitive level.
Hopefully the best recruits we bring in will stay, as well. Losing 4-stars that play significant minutes or are starters only exacerbate the recruiting woes. Either way go Hokies, and hopefully we are rid of this in over their head staff soon.
Don't understand why this got downvoted - unless Fuente & Co. are some Will Hunting-level savants finding absurd amounts of arbitrage in a so-called efficient recruiting market, .500 seasons, losing to teams who have stadiums smaller than McBryde 100, and being excited about going to the Reddit.com go fuck yourself Bowl will be the new norm #WereRollin
Likely because we have heard the same thing over and over again for 2 straight years and everyone is tired of it and angry.
Let me help. Everyone knows we aren't where we want to be. Everyone knows it doesn't look great for the future. Everyone is tired of listening to everyone else's mild variation of the exact same opinion.
"I said this earlier but now look I was right..." should always get downvoted.
Especially when what was said earlier was also downvoted and the poster just doubles down on doomsday proclamations.
Oh but now it's cool to say?
Leg for the snark. I laughed while reading. That said, 2020 is the first season where our coaches could possibly exploit inefficiencies in the recruiting market. Not saying they did, just pointing out that, due to COVID, this is the first time in ~10 years that it's possible.
It's been a while since we've landed top Virginia talent, but dang, we really aren't even on the radar anymore.
It's okay, the staff is loading up on talent in VT's natural recruiting base of the Houston suburbs.
Not hard to win when you get 20 of the Top300.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30592185/espn-300-runni...
Not just 'Bama. Clear stratification at the top.
Its pretty crazy. It makes what we are currently doing look especially futile. I love recruiting, love the what-ifs, but until we have some major change in our recruiting abilities, we are going to keep sliding. UNC, with the great class this year and what appears to be a great class for next year, isn't close to this level of success, and we aren't close to UNC. Pretty daunting task.
Call me crazy, but I'd be willing to bet that this staff aint quite got what it takes on the recruiting trail.
Unfortunately, that bet is as safe as Brad Cornelsen's job
More importantly, neither do alumni and supporter donations...
Transfer portal paying dividends for LOLUVA who have secured a cornerback from Louisville and a two time All Big12 Honorable Mention tight end from Oklahoma State.
Former Elite 11 QB Ethan Garbers entered the transfer portal. Class of 2020 QB currently with Washington. Grew up in SoCal, hopefully meaning he has some connection with Burmester.
Timing would work out pretty well - Sit behind BB in 2021, would be able to take the reigns over when BB graduates in 2022.
https://247sports.com/Player/Johnny-Jordan-37292/
Reportedly has committed to the Hokies from the portal
Was Big Ten honorable mention all conference.
I'll defer to French but bringing him in and losing Nester is a net neutral for us (for 2021 only)?
The more and more I look at Fu's recruiting it always comes back to how he wants to be the "top developmental program in the country" (or something to that effect). Developmental for what? Getting guys into the NFL? Making 3 star players play like 4 and 5 star players?? I don't' know what it means and it sounds like something that Memphis could aspire to be. But I want VT to contend for championships. At least ACC Championships and every odd year perhaps swing a playoff appearance on an upset of Clemson.
Is Fu setting his recruiting sites too low? Not even being in contention for top VA guys is just a bad look. I know most top VA guys are probably going to go to blue bloods as the above ESPN link mentions about most of the top players in the country. But to not even be in the consideration for some is just poor.
Glad we get the players we do but I suppose mid-tier ACC team is where we are at for the foreseeable future.
I'd say yes to both. I'm not saying I agree with his apparent recruitung philosophy aligned with this (his) statement, but it would seem that the development path for the recruits we are getting goes through one to get to the other. So, it's both.
Need to recuirt the Richmond area real good this upcoming class
Definitely not a good sign for the Hokies going forward in the 757
Dre must be making some healthy deposits into his cashapp account from his Twitter bio...
Exactly - long-time unc guy.
Forgive my ignorance, but who is this guy?
This smells funny.
I'm confused what 757 kids in '20, '21 and '22 hold/held a UNcheat offer but not a Tech offer?
It's more than just offering a player a scholly. It's recruiting and establishing that personal connection and making an individual or area feel like they are a part of something. Saying "well we offered your kid, so ball's in your court" is recruiting malpractice and gets you the kind of results we see with this staff. This staff has, without a doubt, failed to establish a level of trust/faith with area HS coaches and people in position of power. Whether that is a positive or negative for not playing the recruiting game is a separate conversation but so far, it is trending to negative for VT.
Agree, I certainly don't know how "connected" this particular guy is in the 757, but there is simply too much evidence of piss poor relations from this Staff to write this off as "just some guy who has it out for VT"
On Twitter he identifies himself as a Youth FB coach, so maybe Bly threw some love his way while VT gave him the cold shoulder..who knows, but sometimes its the simple little things that add up. Things like making phonecalls and showing a presence at Camps matter. Fuente simply hasn't paid much if any attention to those things and it shows time and time again.
That-more than any other reason-is why UNC is eating VTs lunch on the Recruiting Trail...implying that they are paying people off has no basis in fact (at this point), but it's easier than analyzing the true problem.
For a guy apparently so focused on "development" Fuente seema to have omitted actually developing successful relationships in Recruiting.
But we don't need those, we have all those #[insertState]2VT on Twitter...and look at the rewards they have been reaping..
It's the same shit we heard about Beamer and staff and the Throughbred 7 on 7 group. These coaches especially down there are pissed Tech isn't offering their lower ranked kids just because they are in state. Yea Fuente fails to land studs we have all seen it but these complaints of ignoring in state kids is tiresome. From the editorial from earlier this year to this. It's 757 drama.
Thought the same thing.
Glover is Tony Grimes dad BTW
So any projected list of top transfer targets? Seems maybe more important than HS recruiting now.
at QB: I'd like to see us go after Jawon Pass or Guarantano
RB: Chris Curry out of LSU
OL: Marcus Minor out of Maryland
DT: Netori Johnson or Judge Culpepper
LB: Leonard Warner or Brandon Hill
No reason to say we have a chance with any, they're just who I'd like to see us go after.
I'll Pass on Jawon, but any of those other guys would be hype
Agree. Pass is like a less accurate Hooker.
I don't love any of the QBs but a guy like Jack Coan could be a nice complement to BB. He's a solid passer and he's won a lot of games at Wisky. Not a runner though.
Hard pass on Guarantano. I am in East Tennessee and follow UT football, and this kid is a head case. May have something to do with running for his life his first couple years as QB, but watching him you get really good play for about four to eight plays, then he does something boneheaded ( a term used often to describe his play around here especially by the UT fans I play golf with). He has been around seemingly forever. Even as a backup for BB, if he came in the game for VT, I'd cringe and want to see Kadum or our new QB rather than waste PT on him.
Agree. The dude has a lot of physical ability (he throws a great ball), but he is a mental midget.
Ok, maybe not exactly no reason.
We already portaled one OL out of Maryland
Guarantano: Same HS conference as Tahj Bullock
We can offer immediate P5 Conference DT/LB time
#UMDOL2VT
Some others:
OT: Tristan Miller (UNC)
DE: Eku Leota from Northwestern (Asheville NC), Arnold Ebikete from Temple
LB: Jaquann Yulee (Marshall), Justin Rice (Ark St)
S: Isaiah Robertson (ND), Jammie Robinson (USC), Julius Brents (Iowa)
Gimme that Maryland QB transfer
Josh Jackson?
/s
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. that's what my Google Chrome said after seeing that name cause it crashed😂
Tristan Miller is not a take. I'm not even sure he wants to play football anymore
He's going to Az state
https://twitter.com/tristonmiller55/status/1343716790652858369
So he doesn't want to play football anymore.
/subthread
oof. you are not firm for herm
Weird. He originally committed to Wake, then NC State, then Mack showed him a replica national championship trophy and some Jordan's and he signed with UNC. Now decides to move across country to Arizona St. Hope he finds what he's looking for
Looks like Ryan Hilinski fro USCe is on the market now. Kid looked tough in a couple of games that I saw, also started in their upset win against UGA last year.
Wonder if he gets a look?
He played really well when healthy last year, but spent most of year playing on a bum knee so it's hard to get a great read on him. If he's healthy he would be likely by far the best passer on our roster. He never got a shot this year because Bobo came in and brought his boy from Colorado St with him who was terrible and stuck with him.
Yep the CSU kid that replaced him didn't play well at all.
Looks like we landed Vandy transfer Safety Tae Daley. Started all 9 games for Vandy last season.
Link to his Vandy profile:Tae Daley
"Started all 9 games for Vandy last season"
Just to clarify, he started 9 games in 2019, did not play at all in 2020.
January thread?