They are still sore that they lost the recruiting battle for him.
That seems to be forgotten frequently...that they really wanted him to play for them.
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I will most likely get downvoted or verbally panned for saying this. Yes he has some major character flaws but he was still one of my favorite players. He disappointed me and hurt my feelings but I wish everyone one here would stop shitting all over him.
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Anonymously shitting all over a public figure makes up like 90% of the internet that isn't pr0n related, so, swimming against the tide you are.
Unlike most of the people targeted, MV5 actually deserves it. The guy is unrepentant, and keeps doing the stupid shit that killed his collegiate and professional careers.
Public shaming is a great way to let someone know when they are being an asshat, and encouraging them to change for the better. See: MV7 & dogs.
ERGO:
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Beating WVU and stepping in to help beat #2 Miami = Great Moments
Stomping on Dumervil's leg on national TV = Terrible
Every season having a different arrest = Terrible
Seems like the bad outweighed the good for me. Was just too much explaining to do to defend him.
Like when someone says "What is he like?' and you say "He's nice once you get to know him", which really means "He's a total asshole, but you get used to it"
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But it doesn't make you or everyone else any better for doing. In fact, there are some that would delegate it as classless. I mean how would you feel if a number of people slammed you day after day for your misgivings?
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I'm assuming you mean "misdeeds" instead of "misgivings?" If people are picking on me for having doubts, then yea, I'd be pissed. I don't think people are trying to make themselves feel better by criticizing him, and in all honesty I think it's fair game to criticize someone for being a repeat and unrepentant criminal. I would expect people to tear me down if I had multiple drug, weapons, and statutory rape charges and convictions. Regardless of what this guy may have accomplished on the field (which was still short of his full potential), he's a convicted, repeat criminal and is frequently cited by our opponents in a "thug" narrative about VT (not a really valid argument outside of MV5, but it's still out there). It is the complete right of the fan base to disown and criticize him, as he is not representative of what our team or university are or should be. Tough love might be what he needs; once enough people you once respected our counted on turn on you, it's prime time to make things right.
If we were tearing him down for alleged activity, I would be right there with you - it would be wrong. But a conviction is a fact in the eyes of the law. I won't criticize anyone for liking him, defending him, or having faith in him in any way, in my eyes, there is no worse former Hokie than Marcus Vick.
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A person doesn't know until they've been tried so I will just have to take your word for it. In that case that would make you somewhat of a rarity. I guess my main question is how do you (and a good deal of others) KNOW that he is the "worst Hokie ever"? Have you had the opportunity to investigate or interview EVERY Hokie ever?
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I didn't say I knew it, I said he was the worst "in my eyes." It's just my opinion. There have been other guys kicked off the team for drugs, alcohol, violence, etc. In my opinion, MV5 is the worst I have heard of and experienced. Others' opinions are different, and I respect that.
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I said it. And I definitely mean he is without a doubt the worst ever.
why you ask? Is it subjective? Is it factual? Have there been other Hokies that have done wrong things/crimes that could contend for the title? I would say yes to all. let's take a look.
His factual "misdeeds" include:
On January 9, 2006, Vick was charged with three counts of brandishing a firearm, a Class One misdemeanor, in Suffolk, Virginia. A police report alleged that he pointed a gun at a 17-year-old in the parking lot of a McDonald's in Suffolk after Vick's girlfriend had an argument with three people. Vick claimed that the gun in question was a BlackBerry cell phone and that his accusers were trying to blackmail him.
On December 14, 2006, a 17-year old girl from Montgomery County, Virginia, filed a civil lawsuit against Vick accusing him of molestation of a minor, fraud, and additional charges. In the lawsuit, seeking $6.3 million, the girl claimed that when she was 15 (below the legal age of consent in Virginia), she was forced into a sexual situation with Vick, who was 20 years old, over a nearly two-year-long period. She also alleged that Vick offered to provide her alcohol and marijuana and forced her to have sex with other men. On September 15, 2008, the parties agreed to a settlement in the lawsuit.
On June 13, 2008, a bicycle officer in Norfolk approached a couple arguing in a car. When asked for identification, Vick allegedly took off, driving the car at high speed. When another officer spotted the car and stopped it, Vick failed a sobriety test. He was charged with DUI, misdemeanor eluding police, driving on the wrong side of a street, reckless driving, driving on a suspended license, and was taken into custody. Vick was living at the time in his brother Michael's riverfront mansion in Suffolk and Michael's condominium in the South Beach section of Miami Beach. He was released on bond later Friday morning.
On October 20, Vick pleaded guilty to DUI. He was sentenced to 12 months in jail, which the judge suspended, a fine of $250, and his Virginia driving license was suspended for a year. He was also convicted of eluding a police officer and driving on the wrong side of the road, and fined $280 on those charges.
In August 2009, a judge ordered him to jail for probation violations including failure to complete an alcohol education program, testing positive for marijuana, missed appointments, and failure to pay court costs and fines. Vick was freed on a $25,000 bond and appealed the decision.
In January 2013, a judge sentenced Marcus Vick to five days in jail for failing to produce adequate documentation about his financial status by a court-ordered deadline.
On December 30, 2013, Marcus Vick arrested in Forsyth County for DUI.
yes that is from wikipedia. And this doesn't include the recent trouble he is in.
Not to mention the plethora (Do you know what a plethora is?) of douchebag tweets on all manner of stupid shit.
Also not to mention all of the troubles he had on the field, including the suspensions, the team disruptions, the stomping of an opponents leg on national TV, and giving the cousin's the middle finger also on national TV (this one I may be persuaded to overlook).
Put it all together and I think factually yes he is a top contender to be the worst ever.
However, I am also subjectively against him as well. He was a complete let down to the Hokies. As a recruit coming in he was the second coming. He was labelled to be a "better Mike Vick". The Hokies were still on their high from our National championship run. Still in the limelight. Still with a bevy of offensive talent that could with the right general be led again to the very height of college football. Yet he was suspended, twice. When he did play he was good, but a hot head. Always just shy of his potential. Always just shy of what he could have been. Always just shy of what the Hokies needed him to be. After his eventual dismissal of Marcus the program was thrust into the Glennon era, which while I am neither a Glennon supporter nor a hater was too soon for him as he needed another year.
And ever since the Marcus era at VT the Hokies have slowly diminished offensively. Slowly slipped further and further away from that Crystal Trophy. Is it his fault. No. Do I subjectively blame him for putting us on a slide downward to which we are only just rebuilding, yes. We had momentum as a program and this selfish, juvenile dick squashed it in every way he could muster.
And ever since he exited Blacksburg with the classy line: "It's not a big deal. I'll just move on to the next level, baby." His unique brand of humanity at it's lowest form has continually been linked to VT.
Have there been others linked to the wrong side of the law. yes. have other potential recruits been a huge let down. yes. But I challenge you to find any other Hokie that has had such a detrimentally negative effect on the program.
Marcus Vick. WORST HOKIE EVER
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So you admit that is YOUR opinion and not an actual fact? I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and assume that you haven't interviewed or researched EVERY HOKIE EVER.
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I admit I submitted both FACT and my OPINION. As I said, by factual evidence alone he is a top contender to be the worst. Add that to my subjective opinion then he is by far the worst.
However, as you are a "snowflakes are not all different because I haven't seen ALL SNOWFLAKES" type of person, let's turn this around. Name 1 other Hokie that you feel could be classified as the "worst".
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The other thing you've failed to mention is that you're talking about a football player. You are naming a single football player as the worst Hokie ever. But I believe the term Hokie covers a broad base. For instance, when you use the phrase Hokie, are you referring specifically and exclusively to atheletics? If that is the case wouldn't Hokie cover the ENTIRE and ALL atheletic programs?
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I think the bigger issue, on top of what he did, is his visibility doing it. Really, the only person that would pass him on the list of "worst Hokies" is the coward whose name doesn't deserve to be mentioned on this Earth who pulled the trigger on April 16th. Apart from that whackjob, no one else has done more to give Virginia Tech a bad name than Marcus Vick, and I'd say said coward is removed from the conversation based on the fact that he/she/it is no longer considered a Hokie.
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Being a Hokie doesn't simply mean you attended the school. I know some people who are legitimate Hokie diehards who only attended for one year. I know others that attended throughout their degree but were always Wah!hoos at heart and still are. There's a spirit... some may same a school spirit... that attaches to you when you identify as Hokie that makes you proud to say you are one(as with all universities).
The only way someone IS a Hokie is by other Hokies recognizing them as such, which this fucktard will never be. At least by no Hokie I know.
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So clarify something for me if you will. The fact that my father and I are fans and supporters of his and consider him (MV5) a Hokie mean that we aren't "true Hokies"?
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Nope. Would never say anyone is or isn't a true Hokie, except for the fucktard shooter.
I consider Marcus a Hokie as well. For as much as I dislike him he suited up and played for the program. Thus he was part of the community. Do you need to play football to be part of the community? of course not.
But the shooter never wanted to be at VT, closeted himself off from the rest of the amazing Hokies and found a way to do something so unforgivable against his peers, classmates and teachers that in my eyes, and every Hokie I have spoke to, would never be considered a Hokie.
You keep making broad inferences to specific statements which is why your arguments never amount to anything substantive.
You and your father can like Marcus. You can think he was a great Hokie. However, the facts I presented clearly demonstrate that he was not.
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Ignoring the fact that you have twice avoided naming anyone else that could possibly compete with his level of shit storm, which is probably because there is no one else remotely close to Marcus' level, let's focus on your attempt at avoidance... er... I mean, question.
When I "used the phrase Hokie" I was in fact, at that moment, speaking only of football players who are Hokies. As this is a football-first Hokie sports blog (if not directly than indirectly so) and the fact that Marcus was a in fact only a football player while at VT and that I had only mentioned football related misdeeds in regards to "on the field" transgressions it would therefore be safe to infer that I was indeed speaking only of football players.
Now for the third time. Please name one single Hokie football player who is worse or even comparable to Marcus Vick? Take out all the subjectivity and go on fact alone if you like. Criminal and non criminal off-the-field misdeeds combined with on-the-field transgressions combined with him being such a let down in terms of a football career at VT.
Now it's your turn. Name one other person.
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No I'm not his friend (although I may or may not have had a class with a dude that may or may not have enjoyed some natural substances that are considered legal in CO with MV5 & his older bro).
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Look man, the point is, I have been around the program since 1995. Others here on TKP for longer. Some for a lot longer.
I know my time is not overly long. However, I now know about the program's history even before my time and I personally have never seen any single football player be worse on and off the field, as well as after he left, for Virginia Tech than Marcus Vick.
No, I have not interviewed and researched every Hokie football player in existence but I would like to think that I, or others on here with an even deeper knowledge of VT, would have read, heard someone say something or would be able to refute the simple fact that Marcus Vick has been the worst Hokie in the history of the football team.
I think the fact that you can't find a single name to even put up as argument should indicate something to you though.
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Downvoted for willful and overdramatic obtuseness. When you posted this, did you hear the Law & Order clang, or was it just me?
You are being subjectively judgmental towards people who are discriminating based on objective facts. All while wrapped up in some kind of overwrought sense that it is far nobler to forgive someone who consistently bones his own life and the lives of others with no repentance, than to hold said person at least socially responsible for his continuing misdeeds.
The sum of your argument appears to be "What MV5 did was wrong, but it's wrong-er to say mean things about him when other people may have done worse things." Your refusal to provide examples of others who might be worse, or to engage specific counterarguments, is not exactly strengthening your position.
This isn't a legal proceeding. It's the court of public opinion long after the actual courts have repeatedly found him guilty. It may please you to perch atop an immaculate moral high horse, but it certainly doesn't persuade this court.
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That's incorrect but you are welcome to you're opinion. I never actually stated that folks panning him on here (and other sites/forums) was worse than his actions. I never even stated that he doesn't deserve it. I do however believe it is almost or equal to as wrong as what he did. That is my opinion. Proceed to downvote and pan me as you will. Those are my feelings and opinions on it. I don't feel it is very Beameresque (classy) for Hokies (or people in that matter) to shit all over the dude. I doubt very much that Beamer (the ultimate Hokie) would approve of it. That is, at least, the vibe I got from him at the end of '05-'06. Do his thoughts have any bearing regarding this?
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So I'm incorrect because while I accurately inferred your moral equivalence, I was off in scale?
To condense your position: Law-abiding people who say bad things about a guy with a rap sheet as long as MV5's are not worse than MV5. They are merely almost as bad, or at worst, just as bad.
Perhaps you could square this circle for me: How can you believe it is so bad to speak ill of him in forums such as this, while simultaneously saying that he may deserve it?
I never even stated that he doesn't deserve it. I do however believe it is almost or equal to as wrong as what he did.
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Never stated that YOU were incorrect, only your inference (just in part, not the whole). It helps not to box things in. Putting a number or statistic to things people say or feel only goes so far.
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HokieKnightfx2....Dude, you can't win this argument. I understand you liked Marcus...but come on, he is a bad dude and we all know it, even you, deep down in your heart. Under no circumstance can you convince anyone that he is a good guy or a good Hokie. He repeatedly has embarrassed the team and the institution we all love.
I just can't see someone being offended because people think he is a "Bad Hokie"....its pretty plain to see, he IS a "Bad Hokie".
Read this article and then come back and tell us to stop picking on him.
Not trying to win an argument. Not telling people to stop thinking the way they think. I'm simply sticking up for the good (regardless of how little and brief) he was.
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I respect you sticking to your guns...no matter how dirty the guns are.
Seriously, I have a 13 year old daughter and I wouldn't let her within 100 miles of MV5. I just don't think he is a good person, let alone a Hokie.
But seriously, I respect your right to have your own opinion and to try and just remember his few good moments.
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And when I have kids I probably wouldn't let them near him without a parole officer. Don't be fooled by my emphasis on his good. He very much disappointed and hurt my feelings too. I was looking forward to him starting for an NFL team and facing off against his bro on Sundays.
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Ok, so you can't name anyone else that can even come close to how bad Marcus was. So how about explaining what "the good" of Marcus is?
Everyone is giving you specific comments, some like mine backed by real facts, as to why he was such a loser. So far your comments are only: No he wasn't.
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Never said I can't, but if you bothered to look at my icon you should make the connection and realize I won't. But it doesn't make you better than him when you shit all over him or mislabel him the "worst Hokie ever."
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tsk, tsk... Wrong again. Bender would say exactly what he believed and not try to avoid every question posed to him. He speaks his mind, always. He only says "Bite My Shiny Metal Ass" when someone makes a comment/insult at his expense.
I never said I was better than anyone. But just as I am confident that Marcus is in fact the worst Hokie ever, I am even more confident I would win any character comparison against him.
Despite your lack of argument, lack of facts, lack of knowledge on the subject, insistence to infer larger generalities from specific comments and ineptitude to answer even a single question regarding Marcus, I have never insulted you or made a comment at your expense. If you bothered to look at your own icon and actually understood it you would know that.
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Bender is also too lazy to look up, counter and squash your one dimensional and very boxed in and weak persuasion (even though I am more than perfectly capable of doing so).
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HokieKnight. You're a good dude. From your other posts I see we agree on a lot. But this is where we divide. I'm willing to live with that though and let it go. Marcus is going to keep making my point true all by himself anyway
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There's a certain point in any thread where I join in. Not because I actually want to contribute to the conversation in any way. It has more to do with how cute the boxes are.
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I don't feel it is very Beameresque (classy) for Hokies (or people in that matter) to shit all over the dude. I doubt very much that Beamer (the ultimate Hokie) would approve of it. That is, at least, the vibe I got from him at the end of '05-'06. Do his thoughts have any bearing regarding this?
Beamer devotes an entire chapter to Marcus in his book. It's somewhat diplomatic, but also lists all of Marcus' transgressions while he was a member of the Hokies team and how disappointing and arrogant he was through it all. Beamer makes a specific point to say that he never lived up to his potential and basically wasted his future in terms of both school and football. The rest of the chapter is juxtaposed with tidbits about the Hokie QBs with good character like Randall, Tyrod, and Glennon.
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It just shows he has found his crowd of degenerates and news outlets to follow him, as for the retweets, many of those came with comments of how much of an asshat he was for posting this. Yes, I am in the crowd that considers him one of the worst Hokie football players of all times for his impact on this program. No, you wont get an apology from me for it and if *in your opinion* this puts me at his level or worse for pointing out the poison that is @MVFive, I wont lose any sleep over your opinion, as its not worth my Zzzz's. That's all I have for you Huckleberry.
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Marcus Vick did and does a lot of stupid things. It doesn't affect you or the program. (If anyone wants to play the contrarian and argue otherwise, you're wrong.) Let's just go on and ignore him.
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What a dumbass. Makes VT look bad.
TMZ still follows MV5? Anybody still follows MV5? Ridiculous.
the ATL Poe-Poe.
I follow his twitter. It can be really entertaining at times.
Not to minimize it, but who cares?
the ATL Poe-Poe... and TMZ
Remember, TMZ also follows Justin Bieber FWIW.
who?
Who?
The only people that still associate Marcus Vick with VT are UVA fans that frequent the sabre, trolls, and idiots. So basically no one that matters.
They are still sore that they lost the recruiting battle for him.
That seems to be forgotten frequently...that they really wanted him to play for them.
Oh Marcus Vick, the gift that refuses to stop giving.
Lets hope he stopped giving it to underage girls. Just saying.
In the words of Mike Barber: The most shocking development since the sun rose this morning.
WORST HOKIE EVER
Based on the down votes, I think he is reading this forum.
I will most likely get downvoted or verbally panned for saying this. Yes he has some major character flaws but he was still one of my favorite players. He disappointed me and hurt my feelings but I wish everyone one here would stop shitting all over him.
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Beating WVU and stepping in to help beat #2 Miami = Great Moments
Stomping on Dumervil's leg on national TV = Terrible
Every season having a different arrest = Terrible
Seems like the bad outweighed the good for me. Was just too much explaining to do to defend him.
Like when someone says "What is he like?' and you say "He's nice once you get to know him", which really means "He's a total asshole, but you get used to it"
I completely forget about that WVU game and I was there to witness it.
No one has had more hype, not even MV7. He was to be the second coming and got close, but fucked it up.
Believe me, I bought the MV5 jersey (the first round of alternate jerseys for us) and told people "he's gonna be better than Michael, you watch!"
He also let me down. What can I say?
But it doesn't make you or everyone else any better for doing. In fact, there are some that would delegate it as classless. I mean how would you feel if a number of people slammed you day after day for your misgivings?
I'm assuming you mean "misdeeds" instead of "misgivings?" If people are picking on me for having doubts, then yea, I'd be pissed. I don't think people are trying to make themselves feel better by criticizing him, and in all honesty I think it's fair game to criticize someone for being a repeat and unrepentant criminal. I would expect people to tear me down if I had multiple drug, weapons, and statutory rape charges and convictions. Regardless of what this guy may have accomplished on the field (which was still short of his full potential), he's a convicted, repeat criminal and is frequently cited by our opponents in a "thug" narrative about VT (not a really valid argument outside of MV5, but it's still out there). It is the complete right of the fan base to disown and criticize him, as he is not representative of what our team or university are or should be. Tough love might be what he needs; once enough people you once respected our counted on turn on you, it's prime time to make things right.
If we were tearing him down for alleged activity, I would be right there with you - it would be wrong. But a conviction is a fact in the eyes of the law. I won't criticize anyone for liking him, defending him, or having faith in him in any way, in my eyes, there is no worse former Hokie than Marcus Vick.
A person doesn't know until they've been tried so I will just have to take your word for it. In that case that would make you somewhat of a rarity. I guess my main question is how do you (and a good deal of others) KNOW that he is the "worst Hokie ever"? Have you had the opportunity to investigate or interview EVERY Hokie ever?
I didn't say I knew it, I said he was the worst "in my eyes." It's just my opinion. There have been other guys kicked off the team for drugs, alcohol, violence, etc. In my opinion, MV5 is the worst I have heard of and experienced. Others' opinions are different, and I respect that.
I said it. And I definitely mean he is without a doubt the worst ever.
why you ask? Is it subjective? Is it factual? Have there been other Hokies that have done wrong things/crimes that could contend for the title? I would say yes to all. let's take a look.
His factual "misdeeds" include:
yes that is from wikipedia. And this doesn't include the recent trouble he is in.
Not to mention the plethora (Do you know what a plethora is?) of douchebag tweets on all manner of stupid shit.
Also not to mention all of the troubles he had on the field, including the suspensions, the team disruptions, the stomping of an opponents leg on national TV, and giving the cousin's the middle finger also on national TV (this one I may be persuaded to overlook).
Put it all together and I think factually yes he is a top contender to be the worst ever.
However, I am also subjectively against him as well. He was a complete let down to the Hokies. As a recruit coming in he was the second coming. He was labelled to be a "better Mike Vick". The Hokies were still on their high from our National championship run. Still in the limelight. Still with a bevy of offensive talent that could with the right general be led again to the very height of college football. Yet he was suspended, twice. When he did play he was good, but a hot head. Always just shy of his potential. Always just shy of what he could have been. Always just shy of what the Hokies needed him to be. After his eventual dismissal of Marcus the program was thrust into the Glennon era, which while I am neither a Glennon supporter nor a hater was too soon for him as he needed another year.
And ever since the Marcus era at VT the Hokies have slowly diminished offensively. Slowly slipped further and further away from that Crystal Trophy. Is it his fault. No. Do I subjectively blame him for putting us on a slide downward to which we are only just rebuilding, yes. We had momentum as a program and this selfish, juvenile dick squashed it in every way he could muster.
And ever since he exited Blacksburg with the classy line: "It's not a big deal. I'll just move on to the next level, baby." His unique brand of humanity at it's lowest form has continually been linked to VT.
Have there been others linked to the wrong side of the law. yes. have other potential recruits been a huge let down. yes. But I challenge you to find any other Hokie that has had such a detrimentally negative effect on the program.
Marcus Vick. WORST HOKIE EVER
So you admit that is YOUR opinion and not an actual fact? I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and assume that you haven't interviewed or researched EVERY HOKIE EVER.
I admit I submitted both FACT and my OPINION. As I said, by factual evidence alone he is a top contender to be the worst. Add that to my subjective opinion then he is by far the worst.
However, as you are a "snowflakes are not all different because I haven't seen ALL SNOWFLAKES" type of person, let's turn this around. Name 1 other Hokie that you feel could be classified as the "worst".
The other thing you've failed to mention is that you're talking about a football player. You are naming a single football player as the worst Hokie ever. But I believe the term Hokie covers a broad base. For instance, when you use the phrase Hokie, are you referring specifically and exclusively to atheletics? If that is the case wouldn't Hokie cover the ENTIRE and ALL atheletic programs?
I think the bigger issue, on top of what he did, is his visibility doing it. Really, the only person that would pass him on the list of "worst Hokies" is the coward whose name doesn't deserve to be mentioned on this Earth who pulled the trigger on April 16th. Apart from that whackjob, no one else has done more to give Virginia Tech a bad name than Marcus Vick, and I'd say said coward is removed from the conversation based on the fact that he/she/it is no longer considered a Hokie.
Now that brings up an interesting point. At what point does a Hokie cease becoming a Hokie?
I would say gunning down 32 of your classmates and faculty would about do it.
Ok (and I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you here), but there are some that might disagree.
Being a Hokie doesn't simply mean you attended the school. I know some people who are legitimate Hokie diehards who only attended for one year. I know others that attended throughout their degree but were always Wah!hoos at heart and still are. There's a spirit... some may same a school spirit... that attaches to you when you identify as Hokie that makes you proud to say you are one(as with all universities).
The only way someone IS a Hokie is by other Hokies recognizing them as such, which this fucktard will never be. At least by no Hokie I know.
So clarify something for me if you will. The fact that my father and I are fans and supporters of his and consider him (MV5) a Hokie mean that we aren't "true Hokies"?
"my father and I are fans and supporters of his."
Uhh...what exactly are you supporting? His arrests? His bad behavior? His embarrassing Virginia Tech??
It seems like he doesn't work, doesn't play football...doesn't do anything but get arrested. So I ask you, What do you support?
Nope. Would never say anyone is or isn't a true Hokie, except for the fucktard shooter.
I consider Marcus a Hokie as well. For as much as I dislike him he suited up and played for the program. Thus he was part of the community. Do you need to play football to be part of the community? of course not.
But the shooter never wanted to be at VT, closeted himself off from the rest of the amazing Hokies and found a way to do something so unforgivable against his peers, classmates and teachers that in my eyes, and every Hokie I have spoke to, would never be considered a Hokie.
You keep making broad inferences to specific statements which is why your arguments never amount to anything substantive.
You and your father can like Marcus. You can think he was a great Hokie. However, the facts I presented clearly demonstrate that he was not.
dude, are you a friend of his or something?
Ignoring the fact that you have twice avoided naming anyone else that could possibly compete with his level of shit storm, which is probably because there is no one else remotely close to Marcus' level, let's focus on your attempt at avoidance... er... I mean, question.
When I "used the phrase Hokie" I was in fact, at that moment, speaking only of football players who are Hokies. As this is a football-first Hokie sports blog (if not directly than indirectly so) and the fact that Marcus was a in fact only a football player while at VT and that I had only mentioned football related misdeeds in regards to "on the field" transgressions it would therefore be safe to infer that I was indeed speaking only of football players.
Now for the third time. Please name one single Hokie football player who is worse or even comparable to Marcus Vick? Take out all the subjectivity and go on fact alone if you like. Criminal and non criminal off-the-field misdeeds combined with on-the-field transgressions combined with him being such a let down in terms of a football career at VT.
Now it's your turn. Name one other person.
No I'm not his friend (although I may or may not have had a class with a dude that may or may not have enjoyed some natural substances that are considered legal in CO with MV5 & his older bro).
Look man, the point is, I have been around the program since 1995. Others here on TKP for longer. Some for a lot longer.
I know my time is not overly long. However, I now know about the program's history even before my time and I personally have never seen any single football player be worse on and off the field, as well as after he left, for Virginia Tech than Marcus Vick.
No, I have not interviewed and researched every Hokie football player in existence but I would like to think that I, or others on here with an even deeper knowledge of VT, would have read, heard someone say something or would be able to refute the simple fact that Marcus Vick has been the worst Hokie in the history of the football team.
I think the fact that you can't find a single name to even put up as argument should indicate something to you though.
From reading some of these, I believe you may have found MV5 himself on this site.
you may be on to something
Nah. I personally don't believe he gives enough of a shit to follow anything related to Hokie football. Marcus is about Marcus and that's about it.
That, and I doubt his ability to string together two coherent statements, much less four cohesive arguments as long as these.
Downvoted for willful and overdramatic obtuseness. When you posted this, did you hear the Law & Order clang, or was it just me?
You are being subjectively judgmental towards people who are discriminating based on objective facts. All while wrapped up in some kind of overwrought sense that it is far nobler to forgive someone who consistently bones his own life and the lives of others with no repentance, than to hold said person at least socially responsible for his continuing misdeeds.
The sum of your argument appears to be "What MV5 did was wrong, but it's wrong-er to say mean things about him when other people may have done worse things." Your refusal to provide examples of others who might be worse, or to engage specific counterarguments, is not exactly strengthening your position.
This isn't a legal proceeding. It's the court of public opinion long after the actual courts have repeatedly found him guilty. It may please you to perch atop an immaculate moral high horse, but it certainly doesn't persuade this court.
That's incorrect but you are welcome to you're opinion. I never actually stated that folks panning him on here (and other sites/forums) was worse than his actions. I never even stated that he doesn't deserve it. I do however believe it is almost or equal to as wrong as what he did. That is my opinion. Proceed to downvote and pan me as you will. Those are my feelings and opinions on it. I don't feel it is very Beameresque (classy) for Hokies (or people in that matter) to shit all over the dude. I doubt very much that Beamer (the ultimate Hokie) would approve of it. That is, at least, the vibe I got from him at the end of '05-'06. Do his thoughts have any bearing regarding this?
So I'm incorrect because while I accurately inferred your moral equivalence, I was off in scale?
To condense your position: Law-abiding people who say bad things about a guy with a rap sheet as long as MV5's are not worse than MV5. They are merely almost as bad, or at worst, just as bad.
Perhaps you could square this circle for me: How can you believe it is so bad to speak ill of him in forums such as this, while simultaneously saying that he may deserve it?
Never stated that YOU were incorrect, only your inference (just in part, not the whole). It helps not to box things in. Putting a number or statistic to things people say or feel only goes so far.
HokieKnightfx2....Dude, you can't win this argument. I understand you liked Marcus...but come on, he is a bad dude and we all know it, even you, deep down in your heart. Under no circumstance can you convince anyone that he is a good guy or a good Hokie. He repeatedly has embarrassed the team and the institution we all love.
I just can't see someone being offended because people think he is a "Bad Hokie"....its pretty plain to see, he IS a "Bad Hokie".
Read this article and then come back and tell us to stop picking on him.
http://ww2.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/95954/
Not trying to win an argument. Not telling people to stop thinking the way they think. I'm simply sticking up for the good (regardless of how little and brief) he was.
I respect you sticking to your guns...no matter how dirty the guns are.
Seriously, I have a 13 year old daughter and I wouldn't let her within 100 miles of MV5. I just don't think he is a good person, let alone a Hokie.
But seriously, I respect your right to have your own opinion and to try and just remember his few good moments.
And when I have kids I probably wouldn't let them near him without a parole officer. Don't be fooled by my emphasis on his good. He very much disappointed and hurt my feelings too. I was looking forward to him starting for an NFL team and facing off against his bro on Sundays.
Ok, so you can't name anyone else that can even come close to how bad Marcus was. So how about explaining what "the good" of Marcus is?
Everyone is giving you specific comments, some like mine backed by real facts, as to why he was such a loser. So far your comments are only: No he wasn't.
Never said I can't, but if you bothered to look at my icon you should make the connection and realize I won't. But it doesn't make you better than him when you shit all over him or mislabel him the "worst Hokie ever."
So basically, troll post of the year nominee for refusing to defend a position and simply arguing ad hominem against anyone that disagrees.
Let's all move on to other topics.
I didn't realize there were awards for that, but thanks (I suppose). I agree, this is starting to get a bit tiresome.
tsk, tsk... Wrong again. Bender would say exactly what he believed and not try to avoid every question posed to him. He speaks his mind, always. He only says "Bite My Shiny Metal Ass" when someone makes a comment/insult at his expense.
I never said I was better than anyone. But just as I am confident that Marcus is in fact the worst Hokie ever, I am even more confident I would win any character comparison against him.
Despite your lack of argument, lack of facts, lack of knowledge on the subject, insistence to infer larger generalities from specific comments and ineptitude to answer even a single question regarding Marcus, I have never insulted you or made a comment at your expense. If you bothered to look at your own icon and actually understood it you would know that.
Bender is also too lazy to look up, counter and squash your one dimensional and very boxed in and weak persuasion (even though I am more than perfectly capable of doing so).
this pissing contest has gone on way too long...I think you guys need to meet up and whip 'em out. Cut off the shorter one and move the f*** on.
Agreed.
HokieKnight. You're a good dude. From your other posts I see we agree on a lot. But this is where we divide. I'm willing to live with that though and let it go. Marcus is going to keep making my point true all by himself anyway
There's a certain point in any thread where I join in. Not because I actually want to contribute to the conversation in any way. It has more to do with how cute the boxes are.
If you think this is a cute box, you need to get a prettier date.
I have weird box standards, okay. No need to judge me and my box. Look. You just stay in that box up there, and I'll stay in this one down here.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.
It's kinda harder to upvote when it gets so vertically stretched.
I couldn't help it. I wanted to be apart of the stretch boxes.
Also, shouldn't we give MV5 a pass you know...cause his brother took us to the greatest heights ever?
Also I want to see how this looks all stretchy.
These posts are so skinny now!!!! Weird. I wonder how much skinnier they can get...
Messages are about off my iPad screen now.
Supercalafragalisticexpealidocious.
I'm on my laptop. I honestly had no idea what you said until I hit reply.
Oh God! I can't breathe! Gaaaaaaah!
Only the best thread of the off season. Marcus Vick even showed to the party!
tiny box, tiny box. come on! everybody sing!
There's an old rule among lawyers:
When the facts are on your side, pound the facts.
When the law is on your side, pound the law.
When neither are on your side, pound the table.
Hokieknightfx2, What has that poor table ever done to you?
Beamer devotes an entire chapter to Marcus in his book. It's somewhat diplomatic, but also lists all of Marcus' transgressions while he was a member of the Hokies team and how disappointing and arrogant he was through it all. Beamer makes a specific point to say that he never lived up to his potential and basically wasted his future in terms of both school and football. The rest of the chapter is juxtaposed with tidbits about the Hokie QBs with good character like Randall, Tyrod, and Glennon.
Does it mention (like all the papers did) that he was in tears when he had to release MV5 and he helped him get his first gig with the Dolphins?
Nothing about the Dolphins, but he does discuss his intense sadness at the whole situation.
While I respect you standing up for one of your favorite players, I have to say, Marcus $hit all over himself...
Point in take of Marcus' version of the high road:
This was back when all the Riley Cooper drama was going on with the Eagles.
It got 314 faves and 1,911 retweets.
It just shows he has found his crowd of degenerates and news outlets to follow him, as for the retweets, many of those came with comments of how much of an asshat he was for posting this. Yes, I am in the crowd that considers him one of the worst Hokie football players of all times for his impact on this program. No, you wont get an apology from me for it and if *in your opinion* this puts me at his level or worse for pointing out the poison that is @MVFive, I wont lose any sleep over your opinion, as its not worth my Zzzz's. That's all I have for you Huckleberry.
TSL Called.
They want their thread back.
I laughed harder at this than I should have, but you're exactly right.
Is the high horse on a treadmill? :)
Now that would be arguing from a position of strength.
Damn right
Geez, everyone take a step back
A friend of mine was a bouncer at PKs. Marcus once tried to get in while under age using MV7 id. Sounded real bright from the start.
Marcus Vick did and does a lot of stupid things. It doesn't affect you or the program. (If anyone wants to play the contrarian and argue otherwise, you're wrong.) Let's just go on and ignore him.
Relevant:
Really hope that wasn't in jail.
#JAILTWEETS
How is he not in jail by now? lol