It's a sad day, not because of the loss but because of the loss of Logan Thomas. And he went out on a dirty hit, talk about a warrior. He may of had his ups and downs but I will remember him as one of the toughest QBs in Tech history. The amount of hits he gave and receive was ridiculous. I hope he comes back madder than ever and kills it in the NFL. Also a thanks to the rest of the seniors, you represented Virginia Tech in the best way possible.
As for now its on to the spring, where a crazy QB competition will occur that us Tech fans have not seen in a long time. The future is bright, I don't care what any UVA fans on the sabre (check some of their posts, it's truly laughable what some of those morons think) say or negative nancies say on this site. Frank Beamer will not leave Virginia Tech with the program in bad shape, he just won't. Have a good New Years everybody and as always GO HOKIES!
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Well said. LT was inconsistent but I never questioned his heart. There was a look in his eye that I remember seeing during the Marshall game, one time that the camera zoomed in on him, that I think captured his entire persona. He was taking a beating, but he was carrying the team. He was their heart when they needed it. For that, he will remain one of my favorite players. He may not have championship rings, but the man was a good Hokie.
To the rest of our seniors, thank you for the 4-5 years you invested in this team. I hope they were worthwhile for you and serve as a launching point for your futures, be they in the NFL or in other professions.
Go Hokies and bring on 2014!
True Warrior. AWESOME career. Carried the program for 3 years . Highest Praise for a great player and person. Logan is a winner. GO HOKIES!!
You'll be missed! You demonstrated some of the toughest QB play ever seen
I'll miss him. Hope he gets put in the right best system for him to succeed at the next level.
Lining up as a TE?
Congrats to seniors and all those moving on. Loved watching LT as a QB, and running option. Think he's going to stick at the next level and hope he gets a shot to be a number one when he is ready. Best luck to all the kids in the draft. I don't think these kids have gotten enough credit for a situation that was far from optimal. Been a challenging few years and hopefully they'll take the learning and the ability to come back from adversity to whatever is next.
It was a clean hit. I hated to see Logan go out like that, he is one hell of a Hokie and one of my favorites in recent years.
I have to argue with you there. He went in high, ducked his head so he made contact with the crown of the helmet, and made zero attempt to wrap up or make a form tackle.
And for people who may think the tackle "zone" makes it hard for a defender to find a place to hit without being penalized, Logan was standing upright and as we all know is 6'6''. There's plenty of room on his body to make a good, solid, clean hit.
The defender did not.
to add to your point, he clearly made contact head first, before the shoulder
see, im not all bad
Exactly right. He put the crown of his helmet right in LT's chin, and that's text book targeting. Here's the rule copy/pasted:
Here is the rest of the targeting rule as it's written: http://www.afca.com/article/article.php?id=2342
Here's the way I'm thinking about it:
1) Logan clearly wasn't ready for it. He obviously saw the guy coming but didn't prepare himself for getting jacked up. He's been starting for three years, so I have to feel like he would protect himself a little if he thought he was going to get pummeled. He didn't, so I think it was late.
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The guy was clearly within a step or two of Logan, so I don't think it was late per the rule. So no late hit penalty.
2) He didn't appear to go helmet to helmet, nor did he hit Logan in the head with his hand/arm/elbow/shoulder, so it wouldn't be whatever the rule is for hitting a guy in the head.
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That guy went high on everyone all day, especially near the end when he clearly went helmet to helmet with JC.
3) It wasn't targeting per the definition of the rule.
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The refs called a generic personal foul, unnecessary roughness I believe it was, because (I think) it wasn't targeting, it wasn't late, but it was totally uncalled for and shouldn't have been done. It was definitely a penalty. But it wasn't targeting. Worse than Wave Ryder's hit the other day against Mid Tenn. I would have bought it as an ejection.
CBS had him as defensive player of the game.
The sideline chick at least had the common sense to commend him for the interception and not the personal foul that should have been an ejection.
Those guys at CBS seemed to be looking forward to the offseason, though they did study up on the team. They should have had a better angle on the hit itself. They kept going back to some very strange camera angles. CBS needs to hire someone from FOX or ESPN to get their camera work stuff straight.
The CBS booth team said some B.S. about "Well, if you are going to hit someone you need to be prepared to get hit". They were referring to LT running over the LB the previous play. But saying a guy with the ball in his hands hitting someone compared to a guy getting a helmet to the chin after he lets a pass go (personally, I don't think the hit was as late as it was directed towards LT's head and chin) is total B.S. Those guys should be ashamed.
HorseOnATreadmill, I'm going to briefly quibble with your point number 2 that it wasn't helmet to helmet. sbnation posted a .gif of the hit, and it shows #35's helmet going straight into LT's chin. Here's the link to the website; I don't want to post the .gif in this forum because it's not constructive: http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2013/12/31/5261570/logan-thomas-myles-jac...
Either way, I think that we all can agree that #35 was an intolerable a-hole head-hunter throughout the game. They even showed a compilation video of him head-hunting at one point. So much for concussion awareness and sensitivity...
I hope he develops a terrible case of diverticulitis.
so posting a .gif is not constructive and therefore can't be posted...but you openly wish a nasty ailment on a kid just because he plays a physical sport in a physical manner? I thought the kid made some questionable plays, but I'm also looking at those plays through O&M shades. I expect the Refs to do their jobs. If they don't call a single penalty on the kid for all those hits then he must not be doing anything wrong.
I hated seeing Thomas go out the way he did, but let's not go around wishing diseases on kids for playing their heart out for their team.
Having seen the replay numerous times, it was a targeting call without question.
it looked that way to me too..the announcers and refs disagree. Unfortunately, this isn't the NFL and that type of play won't be reviewed and there's no chance of a fine for the defender.
I don't wish any deseases on him, but I hope he stubs his toe really badly, and that it throbs for awhile and make it difficult to put socks on.
I don't disagree with the helmet to helmet idea (and posting a gif is fine as far as i know, as long as you don't remove someone's ownership watermark), but when the replay was shown during the game I specifically looked for that and didn't think I could prove the helmet to helmet hit (unlike the hit the guy laid on JC late in the game, which was clearly head first).
No matter how you slice it, I fully agree with your point that the guy was a headhunter and he was going high all game long. CBS kept showing him on the sideline without his helmet on and the two things I noticed were that he had blood on his forehead, which I presumed came from - you guessed it - his helmet smashing into his forehead, and that he looked like a meathead.
Having said all that, I don't want to spend too much emotional energy on this topic, because it does rile me up a bit. I thought it should have been an ejection, but I think the refs hedged their bets by giving it a personal foul without the ejection. They thought it was bad, I thought it was bad, and it resulted in Logan being out for the game, which resulted in the end of Logan's college career and put a serious damper on the competitiveness of the bowl.
#1 I believe is the most indicting. Logan wasn't ready for it, and as a fan can anyone say they were ready to witness that either? I was shocked it happened, as in "ah, here comes a short dump off pass" and then "WTF?" It's like porn hard to define but you know it when you see it.
It was unnecessary, and rough, and frankly when I think about it I still get angry. Where there is smoke there is fire, and this kid leaves a trail of it.
You gotta let up. He saw the ball get thrown and took that as his opportunity to jack him up.
Its not a yellow light where you can go or not go..... its a red light. He stepped on the gas when he saw the red light.
Call me a thug but we shoulda paid Hundley back for that hit.
JMHO
If I were the defender I would want to put any hit or wear on the opposing QB when I had the opportunity but even if Logan still had the ball in his hand, that was a dirty hit. He went high and led with the helmet. It even seemed like he launched himself IMO. I'd say Zumwalt would have lost at least few bucks playing that carelessly on the NFL level if he were to ever make it.
Sometimes I wonder if they announcers are watching the same replay they are showing us at home.
I especially like the ESPN guys in other games that are "sure" something "clearly" happened (catch, step, etc.) until the Ref or Replay official contradicts, then "yes, yes, it's obvious it wasn't a catch, I saw it all along".
Sorry, man, I was and am as angry as anyone about the hit on LT3, but Hundley had nothing to do with it and I don't wish any harm on him for something some other asshole did. As painful as it was to watch him carve up our defense, Hundley is talented as hell and fun to watch and I hope I get to watch him at the next level, even if it's just holding a clipboard and signalling in plays to LT3 or Tyrod.
Let's not turn into that board that wishes harm on other players who don't deserve it.
I agree with your take on Logan.
I gotta disagree about the 'clean hit' bit though.
As a parent of kids playing football-if this type of play is allowed, (and celebrated-WTF CBS?)-then my kids don't play. It was a bullshit cheap shot and was exactly the kind of hit that the rules were put in place to penalize.
Here's to QB/TE/beast Logan Thomas making an NFL team very happy in the later rounds and making a lot of $$$$ one day. Cheers.
As mentioned previously, LT played with a ton of heart and is a great representative of VT. For that I will always think positively of Logan and his couple years with us.
Can't wait to see what he does on the next level!
He showed us today that he can be a great NFL TE. I really hope a team gives him a chance.
Sir, you just won the most backhanded compliment of the day award.
I say he's ready to be the big bodied change up Q. That's the one thing that bothers me the most about the Ravens' use of Tyrod in the wildcat. That's not how the wildcat was originially designed. It's not designed to put the fast running threat behind center, it's designed to put the big bodied running threat who can also chuck the ball down the field behind center. That's the great thing about the single wing offense. You have two big bodied runners ready to get the ball. One of them might chuck it.
That great run of his brought back memories of 2011. Even with the Sugar Bowl loss I felt his best years were ahead of him, that we really had a special talent at QB. I will never understand why things didn't turn out better for him, and I will always feel for him. Despite this, he never quit and he continued to lead the offense through two tough seasons. I hope he makes it at the next level.
Logan's Run.
Yes.
I still think Danny Coale made that catch. That Sugar Bowl was taken from us, we didn't lose it.
I hope some NFL team takes a shot at converting Logan to the TE he could have been. I love the guy and it makes me sad but I just don't think he has any future at QB at the next level unless he stays a career backup. It would obviously take a few years to learn the position since he never truly played it but he could still be a beast TE.
Either way, it was great to watch him in a Hokie uniform, through the good and the bad. He wasn't always the best quarterback but he was a great leader, a great team player, a class act and gave 110% every time he was on the field.
Poetic that his next to last play was nothing short of epic and an epitome of his exemplary ability.
Also, Zumwalt is total scum. I think Oregon fans would agree.
http://blog.oregonlive.com/ducks/2013/10/interesting_video_should_ucla.html
how i always reacted to logan running people over
