VT announces no spring game

Live look at Fuente when he realized he could get out of all that pesky fan interaction and "opening up the program for the fans"

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This is incredibly frustrating. If they want to be safe, air a live scrimmage and showcase your young talent. From a public relations perspective, the handling of the program's brand and exposure is now full on embarassing.

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I'm sure Fu was actually relieved at this decision. The guy just has no idea how to brand a program that players actually want to play for and people want to be invested in.

Exactly. I had a post here in one of the Fuente vent threads a couple of months back suggesting as much. Without going into detail again, the tldr version is they should basically do a "Hard Knocks" for VT football and release it on hokiesports or youtube or wherever. Film some practices, weight room stuff, interview stuff, fun interactions stuff, to get to know the kids. Film the actual Spring Game (no fans), but have ex-players on the sidelines doing interviews. Then have the coaches narrate the Spring Game to highlight plays and players. Edit it all together into a VT Football movie type event to post online. It would literally check every box that Fuente and the program needs to check as far as fan engagement goes and its staring them right in the face.

That's far too logical. Fuente's complete inability to connect with the fans and media is going to be what does him in. He is trying to be Belichick without the wins.

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Fuente says "THATS THE MOST LUDACRIS CRAP IVE EVER HEARD" LMAO..All jokes aside though that sounds great and i would be excited about it. Its definitely time to adjust to whats going on right now. Thats just too perfect to become reality for us hokies. Im sure we will see it elsewhere.

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Was going to say what a aggravating season but found myself realizing the disappointment didnt start when the season ended it was the whole season really and has just kept going into the post season. Was really hoping for a spring game atleast behind closed doors for fans to simply have something to watch and get a little mo going for nest year.

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At least we had a brief distraction with basketball

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I know we've gone over this at length in a prior thread, but, I still don't understand why you can't just run O vs. M with a skeleton crew of officials, and a skeleton production crew using all the on-site media equipment we have now. Just stream it. Nobody else involved outside of the team other than those two crews who've been tested.

I know this is basically what French has said above, so I'll go ahead and drink, but, damn. This is just so frustrating (and I guess I'm selfish for saying that). However, I see absolutely no reason why you can't just stream something, *anything*. Just drop some bread crumbs to the fanbase as a sign of good faith.

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It would likely be required to be on ACC network, but your point still stands. They could have done something. They are still practicing, so putting it on the air should not be difficult.

There is no reason that they can't...they just don't want to.

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Sure minus the fact UVA is getting the same guidance from health department. Again while Fuente hasn't done a lot for fan interaction not everything is a giant conspiracy to do even less.

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1. Don't allow tailgates

2. Allow 0-1,000 fans, if allowing fans, sell tickets or do a lottery to determine who gets in

3. Even with no fans, stream it or slap it on the ACCN

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Health officials don't want even a few hundred people coming to town from outside the area. Playing a game in Lane takes hundreds of people to get done especially when counting in TV production etc. is Fuente happy to not have it probably but this wasn't a decision he was making by himself.

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Imagine the outcry if there was a spring game ppl showed up and were told to leave or be charged with trespassing at Lane or in the lots. Again this isn't something Fuente is doing on his own, hell it's not even Tech as a university or athletic dept on its own.

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it's a bird! it's a plane!! no... it's S T R A W M A N

how many ppl got arrested for trespassing during any of the thousands of closed-doors sporting events that have been held globally for the last year?

how many ppl in blacksburg got arrested for this during the entire football season?

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How was it handled during the regular season in Blacksburg? Were there mass trespassing arrests every home Saturday?

Personally, I think the state health officials excuse would carry more weight if he had not just had a football season, a basketball season, a women's basketball season, a track and field season, and baseball season, a volleyball season, etc.

This could, and should, easily be done with no fans in attendance.

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You mean when people still cared about COVID protocols? Who said anything about "mass arrests" even 1 person in a lot trying to tailgate would cause a PR issue for the university.

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Did it happen in Blacksburg this fall?

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Great point. This Athletic department has been very adept at avoiding PR issues the last couple of years. Especially in regards to the football program.

I totally get it now.

I mean, I don't think this comment warrants the DVs but I literally laughed out loud at ...

even 1 person in a lot trying to tailgate would cause a PR issue for the university

... when PR is so clearly a huge focus of the VT program

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Using a Scottish (edited: twas a geographical mistake) Derby (and their goons) to compare to our Spring game is quite bold. I get that you're providing evidence, but this won't help your white knighting case.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

Ahem...Scottish derby

C'mon, really? Its not like we just invested millions in a production studio for the ACCN to make something like this magically happen.

How is this Fuente's fault at all... what am I missing? Damn its going to be a long year on TKP.

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Holy shit it's ten times worse on Twitter. Based on some of the tweets you would think Fuente started COVID in a lab in Blacksburg to use as an excuse.

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Isn't everything 10 times worse on Twitter?

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

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Is it completely Fuente's fault? No.

Is it reasonable to conclude that Fuente had significant amount of input and influence into the making of this decision? Absolutely.

Even if VT Admin came down and said no Spring Game could Fuente have made efforts to give some sort of televised live Spring FB for the fans? Surely. Did he give any indication of intent to do this?..Nope.

For a guy who has developed a reputation for keeping the program closed-off, this seems like markedly the wrong direction-- particularly in light of Babcock implying that things would be improved going forward.

Sure seems like things are going to be pretty much SOP for VT Football--I think we're all looking for some hope that things are going to be improved, particularly on the field. VT has done very little to inspire that.

Edit: also certainly seems as if VT football was anticipating being able to use "State Guidelines" as a convenient rationalization. The governor's announcement, literally hours later, really dropped the bomb on that one.

Everything you said after your first line is hypothetical. I'm not saying I like the way Fuente handles the fans or our records over the past few years. What I will say that most of this thread is an overreaction to something that we have no clue about.

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There is nothing "hypothetical"-- since Fuente has taken over, the Spring Game has been actively deemphasized.

The format in recent years hasn't even been a "game" as much as a live scrimmage and VT has clearly resisted televising it despite the obvious benefits to the fanbase and the Program itself. From Roanoke Times:

Virginia Tech was one of six ACC members not to televise its spring game in 2019. It's been that way since Justin Fuente took over as head coach prior to the start of the 2016 season. Tech's spring game was broadcast on ESPN3 for the last few years of Frank Beamer's tenure.

And beyond that, though I can't find the exact quote, Fuente is on Record as saying essentially he doesn't enjoy having Spring Games.

There is no hypothetical that VA is now allowing 30% capacity and you cannot at all convince me that VT (and most other large institutions in the state) was blind to the fact that the Governor was planning to ease restrictions.

Even of you capped attendance at 10k, it would be more than enough to have a meaningful crowd. Even more so, it would give the University and Athletic Dept. a "trial" to put protocols in place for crowd control, limited tailgating, ect. and find out what works and what doesn't work well before the Regular Season starts.

A limited Spring Game absolutely could happen and in many ways makes sense from multiple angles, but VT shut it down and clearly tried to use Covid Restrictions as rationale.

While that may not be all on Fuente, you have to be pretty naive to think that if he really wanted to make some sort of Spring FB event happen that he couldn't--certainly the State of VA isn't limiting him at this point. At some point there has to be a middle ground between the "everything is Fuente's Fault" and the "head in the sand" crowds.

Isn't the spring game mostly fan service and recruiting? If we can only have limited fans, no tailgating, and no on-campus recruits (or bring families on campus to watch) - why risk the massive gathering that could happen? Unfortunately, spring break drama has shown colleges and college students haven't exactly nailed handling COVID yet, and the production value of an empty stadium spring game is stupid. And if you don't think it's stupid go back and look at all the times people have made fun of empty Scott Stadium spring games.

I get the general frustration, but this feels like a decision that was made in earnest, deliberate thought. If everyone was vaccinated and everything was fine, or they do this next year, then yeah, raise hell - but I just can't get too mad at this one.

your larger, overall, point is fine but this...

And if you don't think it's stupid go back and look at all the times people have made fun of empty Scott Stadium spring games.

completely misses the mark because people EXPECT to see empty stadiums in these times of COVID

That said, I still fall in the camp of "the Spring game should just be filmed by a skeleton crew and aired for fans to stream online"

VT, and Fuente, have gone through a pretty tumultuous few seasons. With the way the 2020 season went and the drama surrounding Whit's weird presser one would think that Fuente would be looking for opportunities to get the fan base back in his camp. Finding a way to hold a spring game would go some way to that end. Did he try and fail? Was he pivotal in the decision not to have the game? Is he upset that it's not happening or giddy with glee that he doesn't have to appease the fans? No one on TKP knows. Fair or not, the more VT seems to be walled off from fans the harder it is going to be for the Head Coach to earn their support. And, frankly, I think if a head coach doesn't want or care about fan support he's setting himself up for a long, difficult climb to success. Fan support in this industry is important and it is my belief that coaches who don't understand that don't do so well.

Regardless, I think having a spring game, even with no fans, that can be streamed online by fans would have been a great way to change the narrative around VT football. It's either a missed opportunity or an unfortunate casualty of circumstance. I'm disappointed there won't be one. It doesn't matter whether Fuente is happy about it or not - I think there is an immense amount of pressure on him for this version of the team to perform at a very high level in 2021. If 2021 goes the way 2020 went I think VT will be in serious trouble. If Fuente is able to eek out 8+ wins he probably earns more time as the head whistle, despite what fans may want. If he manages to get to 10+ then he will have won back a segment of the fan base which is, at best, luke warm on him. Being salty about not having a spring game is just going to make it that much more difficult for him to win them back. Fuente should be upset that there isn't an opportunity to give the fans something they crave. There's no way of knowing whether he's happy about it or not, however.

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Only those who are willing to be conditioned to EXPECT empty stadiums would expect empty stadiums.

wut?

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Wut?

Not everyone expects games to be empty - because the body of evidence is increasingly showing that not allowing attendance at sporting events had little to no positive impact on the underlying challenge.

not allowing attendance at sporting events had little to no positive impact on the underlying challenge

this is a pretty shaky assertion. But it's kind of irrelevant to my point.

People aren't going to make fun of Lane being empty if VT restricts attendance due to COVID protocols. The comment I was replying to basically said that it would be stupid to hold a game in an empty stadium because "look at how many times we've made fun of UVA for having empty stadiums" but that is a complete apples to pumpkins comparison. The comparison was pretty bonkers and your issue with my response to it is asinine as well.

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From a football standpoint, it is game situations with new players and recruiting. From a football program standpoint, it is showcasing the players and giving a fan base hope, excitement (see Caleb Farley wide receiver for example, Christian Darrisaw starting and exceeding all expectations etc etc.) For a program where apathy is at 1989 levels, this is a stupid move.

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I get that - and I hope they try to do something to showcase what does happen. Whether that's on social media, YouTube, something exclusive to HokieSports... I hope something happens.

But overall, I think starting at "we won't be doing anything" and then building up from there is a better way of managing expectations than canceling a week before the game is supposed to be. There is little appetite for COVID restrictions at all at this point and I feel like it is very hard to try to accurately make decisions in the near term with so much uncertainty. Since the end of last season, it truly felt like things were getting back to even footing with new hires (I think Jack Tyler will be an improvement over Claeys and offset the loss of going from Tapp to Price), promising to build out the support staff, the new weight room, and dining facility... I just don't think this is being done to spite people like so many are making it out to be.

I know I've posted this elsewhere, but, in regards to the 'state guidance' everybody keeps mentioning - outside of (obviously) FL and SC, what's the difference in the state guidance that the other teams here are receiving that's so radically different than what VA is doing...? I feel like PA, MA, and NC are all fairly similar, or am I wrong on that...? ***Edit: Editing to say that this was posted before the State's Guidance on easing restrictions was announced soon after.***

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I mean considering how most of those states have handled COVID and gatherings this year... It's not surprising. VA limits to 1,000 attendees, NC limits are 10,000. PA seems to be 20% for outdoor stuff.

Chances are that this isn't Fuente or the department screwing up. It's just the way the state has established their guidelines are more restrictive it seems.

As of the announcement today from the state level on down, one of the new guidelines starting on 04/01 is 30% capacity at outdoor sports venues.

Not saying it's a free-and-clear situation, just that it would give you *more* than enough clearance to let a media crew in to run something on the ACCN.

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Yeah, I just saw that later on after I posted. I only went to one spring game(either canceled or out of town) but I think 30% would have been enough. I'm not sure when the university would have found out but it logistically might be more difficult now.

Disappointed but not surprised in the slightest. This leadership in this program from top to bottom is a dumpster fire

Will they be filming every live scrimmage? Yes.

Will they have mock officiating? Yes

Can we watch? No.

This would be so easy to stream regardless of Covid restrictions. Be better, damn.

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THIS

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Someone start a countdown until we get a GRIT tweet

Just heard on WTOP starting on 4/1 outdoor can operate at 30% capacity.

Wow. Then going by the schedule I posted above, hard to see where the excuse lies at this point. Even for just filming and streaming the damn thing with a skeleton crew.

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I am not at all surprised by this but with the football program and the athletic department in general doing next to nothing to spur excitement about the direction of the program, am I the only one who things we will struggle to put 50k butts in seats this year? Notre Dame being the exception because they will have half of the seats in the stadium.

Can't risk other teams seeing Cornelsen's 3rd and 19 go-to bubble screens.

Nonsense. You know Burmeister is ramming into the line of 3rd and 19! Catch the defense off guard.

30% capacity, social distance, create any type of excitement around the football program

Justin Fuente be like:

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LOL! VT PR team is straight hot garbage

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Gov Northam to Whit and VT officials

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Announcing this right before Northam's announcement on capacity restrictions lessening is just *chefs kiss*

This entire program can't stop tripping over their own feet.

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I was certain you were going to go with this (NSFW, language/firearms)

What's even more baffling than this decision is the fact of its timing; you mean to tell me that absolutely nobody in our Athletic Department had any clue this announcement about restrictions being eased, especially in regards to the 30% capacity limit, was coming down the pike from the state level...?

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Is it surprising? They don't do normal PR well why do you think they would have checked again with the state after getting the protocols a week or so ago when they made this decision. But if VA is anything like FL the right and left hand haven't been talking well for awhile during this. Hell we had state police and local police and local mayor in a stand off over vaccine eligibility in South Florida.

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They don't do normal PR well

So then why incessantly defend them at all costs?

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Because I believe in tangible facts not wild eyed conspiracies where the HC comes up with some plan to use county and state health officials so he doesn't have to have a spring game.

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Is the fireman helmet too big and covering your eyes or are you just going to ignore the tangible fact that we can have 30% of the stadium capacity per the state? Absolutely no reason to not have a game or at least a televised practice to drum up Year -2 of the Fuente regime.

Look at it this way... another lost opportunity to grow the Hokie Club.

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The town of Blacksburg voted to keep capacity at the previous 1000 person cap until after Virginia Tech's graduation - presumably to limit large crowds and people traveling to the city.

Sure VT could ignore it, but I'm pretty sure the school has a vested interest in keeping their mostly non-vaccinated student body from partying over a meaningless scrimmage and graduation.

THEY. COULD. STILL. HAVE. THE. GAME. AND. STREAM. IT. ONLINE.!!!

VT, like many of their WRs in recent years, dropped the ball on this one. That's all that can be said about it. VT had an opportunity and they missed it. It's becoming a trend in Blacksburg. Missed opportunities and lots of excuses. I'm not excited about 2021. I can't wait to hear the excuses that start flying after we lose game one to UNC.

"Well, we didn't get to have a spring game so we were a little rustier than UNC since they had that opportunity but I like how our kids responded and we'll be ready for the next one"

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Counterpoint - they are still going to probably scrimmage, and I don't really give a fuck if they stream it. In the grand scheme of things, it's fan service and recruiting and people are acting like we cancelled the goddamn super bowl.

I'm not opposed to them streaming whatever they end up doing in the 15th practice - that's what Florida's doing. I'm just tired of what I think is a bullshit argument around it. It's a glorified practice in normal scenarios, I don't why people are acting like it's literally the end-all, be-all of football. Before the explosion of ESPN and the NFL network, no one really gave a shit about the combine either and now people are freaking out that it isn't happening two years in a row.

fans are disappointed because fans have felt walled off from the program since 2016. Yes, the spring game is a glorified practice but the fans, especially the fans who want to see what sort of promise the team has going into the next season, want to see the game happen. It gives fans something to get excited about. It gives the fans a reason for hope. VT hasn't been able to provide any of that to fans in some time. This is just another example. Fans are frustrated. You might think its bullshit but I think its fair to recognize that fans feel like they're being slighted over and over again.

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The students are partying their asses off and if you don't think they are you're crazy. I talked to three students a week and a half ago when I hiked at Cascades and they said all they are doing is raging in apartment parties Wednesday through Sunday. They have one class per week in a room and told me they wish they had more. They are drinking their faces off, not worrying about Covid, as 90% of them have had it already had it, according to them. I took a drive down Roanoke Street past the apartments on Sunday afternoon and there was an outdoor beer pong tourney that had dozens and dozens of people at it. They are going to have their fun regardless.

The school is a state institution and the state says 30% capacity outdoors. VT / Society in general needs to stop cowering in fear and get back to some normalcy and use the opportunity for some advertising for our tanking football program in some form or another.

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There's a difference between people making their own decisions about their personal well being and the state and local government responding to a health crisis.

I'm cool with people partying outside, I'm fine if people want to get together inside but I wouldn't do it personally if there we're too many people - but that's a totally different thing than institutions trying to protect a much wider community.

Btw, I had surgery after my freshman year at VT, so maybe my own risk assessment is different and maybe we should consider that when people make these large scale important decisions.

Leg. I am not mitigating your surgery or illness, but if we took the risk assessment of every single individual into account for making large-scale decisions, then no one would be allowed outside to do anything ever. As you said, and I agree, it is up to each individual to make decisions for their own health. There's no doubt, with the vaccines, that we are nearing the end of the tunnel with pandemic. At this point, our state government, which I'd say has been very cautious with Covid, says it is safe to put approximately 20,000 people in Lane with the 30% outdoor occupancy. There isn't any reason to not have a Spring Game and an outdoors graduation for the students this Spring. None. Whether it's on Fuente, Whit, Sands or BOV, Virginia Tech is making it very hard to continue supporting the football program and school as an alumnus with these types of decisions.

Edit: Just did some research and VT announced last week that in person graduation ceremonies with limited people are going to happen. So this begs the question even further, why no Spring Game, or even a televised practice to drum up some interest in the program?

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all they are doing is raging in apartment parties Wednesday through Sunday.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Honestly, I just want to watch a pointless football game where I can overanalyze every play and every interaction between everyone because I miss football season and just want something to talk about and engage in. They're going to be scrimmaging with mock officials during spring practice, why not just air one of them on ACCNX or ACCN and we can air all of those "behind-the-scenes" videos that Pete keeps teasing instead of the shitty infomercials that the ACC Network typically has to air because it a shitty sports network that can't sell commercial time.

Because that would be an easy win for VT, and Fuente's shown us the last few years he's incapable of picking up easy wins.

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serious question: Has UVA announced their decision re: Spring Festival?

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With restrictions being eased on 04/01, if they do decide to do something while we still don't, even if it's just streaming something on the ACCN, I can't wait for the inevitable (and well-deserved) "100 fans/staff at UVA's Spring Game is better than an entirely empty Lane Stadium" memes.

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OMG we're going to lose our F*ing minds if UVA does something, anything...rightfully so, I'd wager

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Honestly I think not being able to have recruits on campus is the driving factor here. I think recruiting is the #1 concern for that weekend during a normal year so I'm not really surprised by this decision. Does it suck, yes, but is it worth this reaction? Not really.

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So don't have recruits. Hell, I'm ok with no fans. Just give us a scrimmage to watch on tv to build some sort of excitement for VT football. And I honestly think this is over Fuentes head so I don't blame him. I blame Sands and the upper brass. Doesn't seem like they give 2 shits about the football program. I miss the Steger and Weaver days.

Tyrod did it Mikey, Tyrod did it!!

Wasn't the spring game free before? I can definitely see the university not want to have to deal with the headache of it and the cost so that no one can even watch it since it's on some obscure channel no one gets or knows about.

It's all fanfare anyway. With limited fans, restrictions on businesses, no recruits it probably is more trouble than it's worth. Now, with the 30% announcement... Maybe they'll think about it a bit more? But it might be too late to organize.

That's a fair point, but that's only a single stakeholder group. Overall the decision seems to overlook that a spring game โ€” with no fans and streamed โ€” would've been a great opportunity to engage the fanbase.

Visited my son in Auburn this weekend. They had a spring practice open to the public in Jordan Hare. A few thousand attending with masks and distancing protocols in effect. Recruits in attendance on non official visits. Planning to hold their spring game in April open to the public. Clearly a big benefit to the team, fan base and recruiting.
Frustrating that VT finds a reason to not do it instead of a way to do it.

I'm fine with them cancelling it. It's pretty boring and vanilla anyway. Was always just a good excuse to tailgate. The 15th practice should benefit the team more anyway (sidebar: spring game should not count as a practice). This would be a great opportunity to open the program by live streaming a couple of scrimmages or practices so we can see the players and development.

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Another pathetic parlay by the FUCREW.

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Excuse number one already in the books for Fuente, in early December 2021, after going 3-7 when he and Whit defend him sticking around for another year.

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Is Fuente trying to hide his playbook from the same opposing coaches that Whit sought feedback from in order to justify keeping him?

Oof.

The day Hokiefireman turns on Fuente will be epic

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Been there since Liberty, where you been? But wanting a coach let go doesn't mean I'm going to pile on for every little thing and make it something it's not.

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Haven't you heard? The only way for real change is piling on every little thing and then pulling all your donations to the Hokie club setting us even further back financially.

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Correction. The day StineyDraw48 turns on Fuente will be epic

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this may never happen.

sidenote, god bless you dude. Thread in thread out, you're saying everything I no longer have the energy to, and probably in a better tone too.

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Sorry to bring up an old thread but I hadn't seen this response. To be 100% honest as a former player, i don't feel like it's ok for me to publicly trash or turn on the program and that includes the coach. Having been on the inside, I know there are a lot of factors that go into building a successful football program that you can't see from the outside. I trust Whit to make the right decisions because he has all that information. Will I question things like why are we running a qb draw on 3rd and 8? Sure. But you're never going to see me calling for a new coach or bashing the program as a whole. Guys who have been there before should be there to support the program and build the image, not bring it down.

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While this is a noble approach I think it gives you a big blind spot. You can love something and still be critical of it. I love VT and I want the best for VT. But I'm not going to blindly support a coach just because he's coaching the team I love. There is more value to open minded critiques than to blind homerism. Being blindly supportive just for the sake of being supportive is more damaging than being honest with yourself and others. I just don't think Fuente is the right guy for the job. I thought he could have been. I supported his hire in 2015. I thought he was going to take VT to new heights after 2016. But in the 4 years since things have gotten steadily worse. If I'm being honest, he's just not doing the job adequately. I'm not afraid to be critical. You shouldn't be either.

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

That was my very polite way of saying most people on here don't have enough information to have an educated opinion on the situation. I don't have blind spots with Virginia Tech football. Thank you for your concern though.

Gobble Till You Wobble

we all have blind spots. You're naรฏve to think you don't.

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

Worry about your own then my friend ๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿผ

Gobble Till You Wobble

I don't have blind spots with Virginia Tech football. Thank you for your concern though.

Wait a second, are you saying because you played, you know everything that's going on with regards to the football program as it stands now?

Having been on the inside, I know there are a lot of factors that go into building a successful football program that you can't see from the outside. I trust Whit to make the right decisions because he has all that information.

No, Joe. I'm saying the exact opposite. I hold back from being overly critical because I DON'T KNOW what is going on day to day within the program as it stands now. The definition of a blind spot is the inability to recognize the weakness. I fully admit i don't have all the information so i withhold judgement more often than most on here. That's not a blind spot. That's making a choice.

Gobble Till You Wobble

Ah OK, I was really confused for a second. That makes more sense.

I agree, the overwhelming majority of fans don't know what goes on behind closed doors. With that said, does it even matter?

The product on the field is the product on the field and in Year 4 + 2, Fuente's far enough into his tenure that he can only change perception by changing reality. In other words, he's past the point where he can sell his process (what happens behind closed doors) leading to improved results.

I trust that if Whit thinks it is best to retain Fuente moving forward, then that was the right decision. I've found no reason to not trust Whit's decision making. Personally from watching the games, I've seen enough over the last 2 seasons that i don't think scheme is our biggest issue. I feel more encouraged from what i saw in the UVA game last season than what I saw at the end of the 2019 season. I see potential especially with a normal offseason. My biggest concern has been the drop in recruiting and from things i have heard from inside the athletic department and different interviews that is being addressed. Am i happy with how things have gone the past 3 years? No. Am i going to jump ship? Also no.

Gobble Till You Wobble

But you're never going to see me calling for a new coach or bashing the program as a whole.

I'm not saying that this is the case (in fact, I actually think Fuente is a really solid, nice guy, trying to do things the right way) but if it turned out that Fuente was running a prostitution ring or something, would you still hold this ideal?

I know that running a prostitution ring is a (very, VERY) far cry from not being a great fit as a coach for other reasons so this isn't an apples to apples comparison, per se. I'm just curious if you would refuse to call for a new coach or bash the program if something that heinous came to light.

You're a better man than me for not wanting Fuente to lose his job because we can't possibly understand all the reasons that his team isn't performing at a satisfactory level. But the way I see it, Fuente is getting paid millions of dollars per year to deliver a product that he isn't delivering. At some point, one must move on. I am ready to. You aren't. There's nothing wrong with that for either one of us.

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

Yes if Fuente is exposed as an underground pimp, I'll say we need a new coach.

Gobble Till You Wobble

well, I'm glad we can agree on something

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It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

If that happens, I think I would just be more confused by the recruiting drop off.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

LOL

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

Being critical in every damn post knowing it does nothing to change the status quo is damaging to the morale of an online community. Being a fan of players and coaches until such a time that the person/people in charge actually make the decision to go a different direction is not damaging anybody.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Being a fan of players and coaches

I can be a fan of the players and not the coaches, thank you very much

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

We know

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

So Fuente's first real season gets delayed a little further now, until the fall. /s

I just want us to be good again. I miss us.

#MakeTheMove . . . "Vick, dashing back . . . here he comes again . . . Electrifying . . . and have you ever seen anything like this?"

Hilarious. Looks like the best college football team in the state of Virginia is at least having *their* Spring Game. /s

Three guesses as to who, and the first two don't count.

โ€œAlso, a microwave has never danced it's ass off to Jackie Wilson.โ€ - AssPocketFullOWhiskey

Of course they are going to have people there to watch too.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

Join us in the Key Players Club

Really hope Campbell gives them a run for their money in September

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

*looks at username*

Hmmm, that checks out. Good luck to the Camels, indeed.

โ€œAlso, a microwave has never danced it's ass off to Jackie Wilson.โ€ - AssPocketFullOWhiskey

OOF. Losing to them during the season was extraordinarily painful, getting beat by them in the spring is, well, even more embarrassing. How is that even possible?

The LewDew, Professional Golf Bum

โ€œAlso, a microwave has never danced it's ass off to Jackie Wilson.โ€ - AssPocketFullOWhiskey

WITHOUT LOVE

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

can't get enough

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

PAIN! CAN'T GET ENOUGH!

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
โ€œI served in the United States Navy"

PAIN! I like it rough!

Probably the last thing I'll add to this thread, but, the question was asked above about whether UVA has announced anything. I'm just gonna share this, and, in addition to both LU and ODU being on the list...go ahead and scroll down to May 1st. Again, not sure how verifiable that is, but the rest of the dates they seem to have for other teams, while not having exact times, seems to track with what have been announced by other schools (also, they have us in the group at the very bottom of teams not having a Spring Game).

FBS Schedules - Partner of USATODAY College Sports

โ€œAlso, a microwave has never danced it's ass off to Jackie Wilson.โ€ - AssPocketFullOWhiskey

I mean, at least we're in good company...Florida, Penn State also not having spring games

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

Not so fast. Even if they don't call it a spring game, they still are running circles around Tech's branding and program exposure.

Oh c'mon guys!! I'm trying to be positive here and y'all are making it difficult for me :p

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

By Jen Cardone
Published: Mar. 24, 2021 at 1:33 AM EDT|Updated: 6 hours ago
BLACKSBURG, Va. (WDBJ) - The town will not be rolling back all restrictions, despite Governor Ralph Northam's announcement on Tuesday.

At Tuesday night's council meeting, members discussed whether the governor's new limits were too high. They revisited the town's current emergency ordinance that was set to soon expire.

That ordinance limits all gatherings, both indoor and outdoor, to 50 people. The council voted to keep those current limits, and not go as far as the Governor on April 1.

[mod edit: link https://www.wdbj7.com/2021/03/24/blacksburg-votes-to-not-loosen-restrict...

The University is state property and has the ability to tell the town to shove it. They don't normally, but can.

This is just more information to distract from the fact that a televised spring game would be easy to pull off and absolutely a positive step toward fan engagement. I never expected fans in the stands and if so, I would have thought it would be limited to students to ensure a maximum number of fans considering there are no tickets.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

While Fuente hasn't shown himself capable of sustaining success at VT and the marketing/PR department is basically freshman intern level, this failure is likely above their pay grades.

*cough/Whit*
*cough/Sands*
*cough/BOV*

Looks like it was out of Fuente's hands:

The Town of Blacksburg will not be rolling back restrictions on gatherings, despite Governor Ralph Northam's announcement on Tuesday.

Link Here

But you know, continue to bash on Fuente. Some of y'all need Jesus.

I don't think anyone is looking at this in a vacuum. The branding is awful. The fan engagement piece is awful. The vision for the program is nonexistent (at least to everyone outside the program). This is just another pothole on the long road of the Justin Fuente era.

Is coronavirus over yet?

How many people does it take to operate a skeleton camera crew for an ACCN broadcast?

This ^. It's not a difficult concept. And it'd be an easy win with fans. For a team that has been on a downslope, you'd think the administration might place a priority on that part.

HTHokie93

I'm pretty sure everybody understands the decision was out of Fuente's hands at the macro level, but, at the micro level - what's still preventing us from doing what quite literally every other ACC team is doing in regards to televising some kind of Spring Game/Final Spring Practice on the ACCN (outside of UVA, and according to the FBS Schedules post I made above, it sounds like they may end up having something as well)?

Hell, every other 'big' team in the state of VA is doing it as well, like ODU and, again as mentioned above, LU. First we can't beat LU on the field, and now we can't even beat them in regards to the perception of being 'fan friendly'. If any of us thought we'd find ourselves saying that five years ago, I'll give you $50.

It'd just be throwing a ravenous fanbase a bone...and they can't even be bothered to do that much.

โ€œAlso, a microwave has never danced it's ass off to Jackie Wilson.โ€ - AssPocketFullOWhiskey

how many people are actually bashing Fuente, like you suggest, though?

I see lots of people bashing the program in general.

Besides, this is just an excuse. It ignores the larger issue. The VT football program has no creativity. They have not been able to take lemons and make lemonade. Florida isn't having a spring game. But they're going to stream practice footage for fans to see. They're connecting with the fans, engaging them, and trying to give them what they want. VT just said "Oh, look, Blacksburg doesn't want us to have fans, oh, well, guess we're not going to have a spring game. See you in the fall!!!"

Lame, unimaginative and just another ugly misstep by the program in general. Maybe people are blaming Fuente. Perhaps he's partly to blame. But I don't really see anyone really bashing him all that much. This is a systemic issue at this stage. It goes deeper than one guy.

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

I think if their is fault by Fuente its not pushing harder to get the game to happen in some form or another. The problem is that we'll never know because the fan engagement is so poor right now.

My advice - pink slip everyone associated with the football marketing, brand development, and fan engagement and have their basketball counterparts take over.

Some of y'all need Jesus.

Or a competent football coach and program. ๐Ÿ˜ญ ๐Ÿคฃ

Anyways, with regards to public health and safety, that's above Fuente and Whit's pay grade.

However, the buck stops with the duo with regards to streaming and closed door spring game. I'm not sure why that's unreasonable criticism.

IMHO, it's probably just cost-benefit. The effort and additional risk/exposure of having 50 (or however people are needed for a skeleton crew) is probably not worth appeasing a few hundred die-hard fans.

I think some of us need to realize that TKP is not representative of Hokie Nation. We're a bunch of dudes/gals who spend a significant amount of time talking into an echo chamber. I don't think broadcasting a spring game is going to move the needle for the casual Virginia Tech fan. From the sound of it, it wouldn't even appease a lot of people here, with some of y'all taking a "too little, too late approach".

I think a lot of y'all need to take a step back here. Yes, I get you're frustrated that we're not winning like we did 15 years ago. But it's weird that you're (not Joe in particular, using the royal "you" here) getting bent out of shape because you can't watch an online stream of a glorified practice because it's somehow indicative that a football program doesn't care about us.

Collegiate practices usually have officials and some sort of medical crew. Plus the in-house media is recording and photographing the whole thing. With the no attendance, streamed option, I don't think much changes in terms of possible COVID exposure.

TKP definitely represents the more-than-casual to diehard portion of the fanbase, but it's a number at least a couple of order of magnitudes higher than a "few hundred". It's not an insignificant portion of the fanbase. Also, by not having something branded as a "spring game", you're also forgoing the media coverage associated with the game that reaches more casual fans.

I think people are upset not because they don't get to watch the game, but because Tech isn't fixing its issues related to fan engagement, outreach, etc... The thing that will grow the program and the donor base, which everyone agrees is a problem, but the folks Merryman continue to botch.

I get what you're saying but I honestly think a lot of the fan engagement issues is a red herring. The real issue is that we're not winning at the same clip as the peak Beamer years. Fans are frustrated about a 5-6 season and projecting their issues onto this weird fan engagement element. Go back to the 2017 season, I don't think a lot of people were complaining about this.

Idk, if we were going 10-2 and going toe to toe with Clemson, Fuente would be lauded for being protective.

I agree, if Fuente was winning 10 games a year, this would be a non-issue. However, he's not, so it is. It's along the same lines of the old workplace adage of: you can be good at what you do and an asshole, but not just an asshole.

Agree. This is why the fan engagement is all the more important now.

HTHokie93

Fans are frustrated about a 5-6 season

Is that not understandable?

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Imagine the hokie club messaging that could be pushed during commercial breaks if we control the broadcast.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

hahahaha

shots fired?

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

They were probably catching flak for being blamed for no spring game and were like "Oh hell no. This is not on us. Don't blame us."

I think it was probably more of a concern regarding Spring Graduation, but the point remains that VT Football could have a Spring Game and definitely could have fans in attendance if they chose.

The notion that the Football Program had its hands tied is bunk.

Would it be logistically difficult? Sure.
More expensive to operate? Probably.

But they have essentially 3 weeks to prepare and it would provide a reasonable "dry run" for the Home FB season coming this Fall.

VT Football didn't want a Spring Game or a reasonable alternative. It's just another in an endless string of missteps since Fuente took the helm.

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"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

lol, so, again, this is back directly on Sands, Whit and Fuente.

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

I get the rationale for not having a traditional spring game, but throw us a bone. Yes, gathering in large groups is still a poor idea, but FFS turn this in to an opportunity to engage with the fans differently. Everyone else has had to adjust to a mostly virtual approach to things, so why not do the same for the spring game?

I'm out of the loop, have covid cases in Blacksburg been increasing? I saw something on reddit how St.patty's day fell on Spring break and there were a bunch of parties everywhere?

I just read a comment on reddit saying that if the spring game went on, Tech might be afraid that kids will use this as a reason to congregate and drink? And that the administration is trying everything to avoid another covid surge?

Idk, I guess I'm trying to make sense of this rationale, but I can't. If college kids want to party they'll party regardless of whether theres a spring game going on or not. I feel like there are other ways of breaking up large gatherings. I think if we're having a closed door scrimmage with officials and everything anyways, atleast air it somewhere, anywhere.

Tech might be afraid that kids will use this as a reason to congregate and drink?

They are already congregating and drinking. They are college kids.

#MakeVTFootballFunAgain

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

yea thats why I was confused, college kids are always gonna try and party even during a pandemic. So even if that is the rationale, it doesn't make any sense. If the students are gonna congrergate regardless, and we're having a closed scrimmage regardless, just air it on ACCN, or even youtube, IG live, I don't care something

Knowing this media group we would do it but in 2 second clips on snapchat that are one time views.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

don't wanna give anything away. Fuente's working on that super-secret game plan to defeat the UNC tar heels in game one

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

Given the new 30% guidelines, this would be my plan:

You go 30% capacity and make it a students-only event for general admission. Whether they fill it or not (probably not), you can assure that the only groups that will be exposed to each other are already in the same circles and likely, same exposure level. If this is anything like how it's going at other college campuses (like Clemson), a lot of these kids have already had it, further reducing spread vectors at an already outdoor event. The kids tailgating or whatever would be much of the same. You do prevent bringing in spread vectors from all over the state in populations (older) that would be more susceptible to more severe illness, by limiting it to students.

You bring in the media to also have access to the spring game, with precautions of course, and keep them separate from the students general admission.

You stream it on the ACCN or another available platform for the rest of us.

I have said the same. A student ID is as good as a ticket and can provide assurance of crowd size control. More importantly is to get the game tape out in some form or fashion. I dont know if the ACC network is contractually required to be the way it is broadcasted. If so, fine, but use in house broadcasters and take the time to advertise the hokie club (how and why).

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Not to mention a student ID also gives them contact tracing.

Look at you trying to bring logic and reason into a political argument. "Insert we don't do that here black panther gif" lol

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
โ€œI served in the United States Navy"

FFS Duke is broadcasting their spring game. Perennial bottom dweller, only cares about basketball, routinely has more away fans than home fans in their stadium Duke is doing a better job of engaging fans than VT. Fu & Whit just don't get it or they don't give a fuck. Any other explanation is just making excuses for them.

According to the Virginia Tech instagram account, a week ago they announced that based on state regulations, the graduation ceremonies can happen in person with limited attendance. So they can do that, but not give us something to look forward to on any level, in person or streaming, for the football team? This administration is truly flushing the football program down the toilet. A big orange and maroon turd.

#makeVTfunagain

#MakeVTFootballFunAgain

You will see this game, this upset and this sign next on ESPN Sportscenter. Virginia Tech 31 Miami 7

I honestly don't see why they can't do a family only game get family there to see their kids play throw a nice show and something for the fans and call it a day. It would just be something positive to help excite the dedicated donating fan base and give people something to actually analyze that isn't a 2 second random clip on an instagram story for once.

I really feel for those whos jobs are to cover this program anymore with so little to go on it must be an absolute pain in the ass to do their jobs. Outside of game film they have very little else to use to analyze and talk about. If we actually ran really good schemes and had lots of nuances to our play calling I might get it but what's to hide about running a fucking jet sweep to death. It's a small thing but winning ices over it and this staff aren't winning enough to paper over the awful PR attempts we get.

Directions from Blacksburg to whoville, go north till you smell it then go east until you step in it

I for one am glad we aren't having a spring game.

It would most certainly give our opponents next year a competitive advantage, and could cost us a 10 win season.

Chick Patty w/ Cheese

I don't know if anyone saw the announcement but Virginia Tech says they are going to ramp up content and coverage this spring in lieu of the spring game.

Including Coach Fuente and assistants breaking down highlights from last year and this spring, more "Hard Hat Series" with even more players, more mic-ed up practice videos, more social media content, a newsletter, and more.

This is nice, and hopefully, something that they can continue when there is a spring game, but I understand that it isn't a pure one-to-one substitute. Again just my personal opinion, I'm bummed there is no spring game but I do feel like the athletic administration is trying to do something even in suboptimal positions. At least we aren't Texas or San Deigo State and having to pause spring practice.

Good to see, of course the execution of this announcement makes it look like damage control after the backlash around canceling the spring game. Wish this would've been announced at the time of cancellation.

It's either one of two things and neither are good. 1) It's reactionary. They saw all the negative feedback and scrambled to come up with something or 2) It's bad PR because if you had this planned, its the kind of thing you announce at the time of cancellation to show everyone you're on top of things and committed to promoting VT Football.

Everyone that's been paying the slightest bit of attention over the last year would have to know that no fans at the Spring Game could be a possibility so all kinds of contingencies should be in place. So we either had them and didn't bother to tell anyone until days after the fact which isn't good or we scrambled to come up with something late, which isn't ideal either.

And it sucks to have that cloud over it because this filmed content, in a vacuum away from these other decisions, is actually a good thing that the program desperately needs to be doing more of. It's like the football program can't do much of anything without stumbling about making things more difficult for themselves than it needs to be.

the football program can't do much of anything without stumbling about making things more difficult for themselves than it needs to be.

to me, this has been one of the themes under Fuente. I've said as much about his approach. He's done things to make his job more difficult for himself than it has to be. It's a theme that is popping up throughout the entire program.

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

I would argue that 1) is not a bad thing, it means they are actually listening to their customers, if it means progress I'll take it however we get it

VT '17

I know this dead horse is well beaten, but I saw this and thought it was a pretty fun way to end spring practice AND get some good publicity. From Adam Schefter:

Gronk stunt at Arizona Spring Game