Football Season to Open on Friday, September 3rd vs UNC

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We have a whole summer to build back up unrealistic optimism and expectations, let's go...

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
“I served in the United States Navy"

What's unrealistic about kicking off our 15-0 flawless championship run with a unc ass blasting??

Pretty sure Mack Jones 3rd string can beat our starters but maybe we pull the upset...

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
“I served in the United States Navy"

Mack Jones

...Who?

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

If I could photoshop, I would do a superimposition of Mack Brown and Mac Jones

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

you meant what I said, no caffeine yet lol

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
“I served in the United States Navy"

you meant what I said, no caffeine yet

lol, clearly

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

That was an intentional one, I am not a complete knuckle dragger...

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
“I served in the United States Navy"

I sorta figured, but a) I thought it was funny and b) I wasn't certain

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

🤣 He said "ass blasting"!🤣

Even when you get skunked; fishing never lets you down. 🎣

I'll be more excited if I can go.

ESPN. The coverage is excellent, you'd be surprised at how much you can pick up.

Primetime in a hopefully full stadium with a year's worth of energy released on baby blue.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Everyone will be watching. This game is very important. Let's hope they send Mack back south with his tail tucked

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

WOOOO!!!! Tailgating all day for a night game to open the season!!!!

2 time Longwood grad married to a Hokie.

I will not be sober.

TKPhi Damn Proud
BSME 2009

Am thinking my condition will depend on the outcome of the game.

HTHokie93

FBS has to figure out a better way to schedule out of conference. This is a pretty week home schedule. Imagine how much more exciting it would be if Richmond and Middle Tennessee State were substituted with other P5 teams.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Isn't there some argument that playing those games with the "smaller" schools is, in a way, charitable, or something. Like, I thought Beamer liked those games, in part, because it was a good opportunity for the smaller team to get some exposure. Perhaps I'm confused?

As a consumer of the sport, from a purely entertainment-centric view, I agree that the games against other P5 teams are more desirable. The only time I ever enjoy games against Richmond, ODU, MTSU, etc. is when VT wallops them 60-something to 3. But we haven't done that in a long time so I don't even look forward to those games anymore. Those games give me so much anxiety these days because I'm afraid we'll lose or look bad in winning a close one. I'd much rather, at that point, just get beat by some team that at least has some cred just by virtue of being in the P5.

To me, losing to Tennessee by 20 is still better than beating Austin Peay by 3. I'd rather play the P5 teams. Even if that's not terribly equitable across the sport.

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

It's never ok to lose to Tennessee, but I get your point.

agreed!

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

I think it had more benefit when there was a waiting list for season tickets. Today's college football is having a tougher time putting butts in seats, and I think part of it is a result that 2/7 of the schedule is crap. The other part is the increase in TV coverage and the quality of it. At what point should we start scheduling for quality of the entertainment versus having the extra home game?

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

these are great points. Chris also points out below that the ACC coastal just isn't very compelling. Having the extra home game is probably only profitable if you can fill the stadium. Otherwise, having half-empty stadiums each week probably costs the department more than it generates in revenue. Getting those Marquis matchups would be ideal. Fans want to come see Penn State play. MTSU isn't as interesting.

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

Losing that Penn State home game last season was tough. The home and away schedule are just rarely going to be that exciting in the ACC, particularly the Coastal. Too many schools who don't care about football/don't fill their stadiums.

If we were getting cool home/homes that would be awesome to see at Lane and to travel for (UGA, Tennessee, SCar, Ole Miss) that would be awesome for students. If UNC starts filling their stadium that will be another one that could develop into a good away game every other year. If we played Clemson and FSU more often that would be more fun as well. We've got some of those scheduled, some so far in the future it seems silly to even talk about right now.

If we played Clemson and FSU more often that would be more fun as well. We've got some of those scheduled, some so far in the future it seems silly to even talk about right now.

Like, we might even have a new coach by the time we play them

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

Losing that Penn State home game last season was tough

Tell me about it. The subsequent cancellation of the return game in State College was even more brutal for me personally because Beaver Stadium is a mile that way *gestures angrily out the front window*

Don't forget that Wisconsin series that's both coming up soon. Any year now... /s

The actual unfortunate cancelling of the Penn State series, and dropping the home and home with Michigan are legit examples of how hard it is to scheduled P5 OOC games without an innate rivalry. I think we've had a lot of bad luck on that front whether it's the big names or getting ECU when they were decent for a stretch.

Maybe now that Alvarez is retiring, this game will actually happen.

That's why we need to be that team. We need to be the hot shit coming to town. I want us to be everyone in the coastals Super Bowl

Removing features to get people to sign up for your service is something EA would would do.

Especially since we will probably lose to Richmond

This should not be downvoted. You may not agree with him, but we've lost to JMU, Liberty, and ODU. This would be a huge upset, but it's hardly out of the realm of possibility at this point. Furman was an inside kick recovery away from a potential game winning drive.

"That's it guys. Let's get out of here. That cold drink's waitin' on us, let's go." - Mike Young after win no. 300.

but it's hardly out of the realm of possibility

I didn't downvote, but probably is different than not outside the realm of possibility.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

agreed that probably is much different than outside the realm of possibility. Also agree that the post didn't warrant downvotes.

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

I upvoted to counter at least one down. I hope DC is wrong, but he is entitled to his pessimism. I prefer to think we are going to finally take a team that we should beat behind the woodshed, behind the woodshed and give them a thrashing.

If it were an out of state bad FCS school, I would feel differently

These exact same things were said about Liberty before last season, and about Old Dominion before the 2018 season. Just outright scoffing at the thought that we could ever lose to a team like that.

We are no longer the kind of program that has guaranteed wins on the schedule. Every game is a potential loss. We don't have the talent to go into a game against a team treating us like we are their Super Bowl and to have the kind of sleepwalk we see a few times every year going back to the Beamer days and expect to come out with a win.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

Our only FCS loss in the history of the program was during the Beamer days and i would argue that the Temple loss in 1998, the Miami(OH) loss in 1997, and the Cincy loss in 1995 were just as embarrassing if not more so than the ODU or Liberty games. Those schools were considered sandlot teams back then, we were a ranked team at home in 2 of them, and the cincy game was a freaking shutout at home. You guys act like these kinds of losses are something we could never have imagined happening under Frank and you're just wrong.

Gobble Till You Wobble

The loss to JMU in 2010 was shocking because it had been 12 years since that loss to Temple and we were ranked, as you said.

The ODU and Liberty losses happened just over 2 years apart.

And the reason why Beamer got a pass for those losses was because we won the Sugar Bowl in 1995. We made the Orange Bowl in 1996. We went to the Gator Bowl after the 1997 season. We went to the National Championship Game the year after we lost to Temple and we ran the table and went to the Orange Bowl after the JMU loss.

Fuente follows up the Old Dominion loss with a .500 record a loss in the Military Bowl. He followed up the Liberty loss with our first losing season in 28 years and no bowl game.

So yeah, I guess you're right, the losses under Beamer were a little more shocking because we were actually a good team back then. Not so much now.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

That's fine and I agree that Coach gets a pass because of the results that followed. I'm just saying the dudes never lost to an FCS team. Beamer had bad losses and even a loss to an FCS team and I still felt confident each time we lined up against one. If you wanna talking about Fuentes inability to consistently win against ACC teams, have at it, but he's 5-0 against FCS teams with 4 of those being 2+ touchdown games, so spare me the "we need to worry about FCS teams now" talk.

Gobble Till You Wobble

This is (painfully) accurate assessment.

HTHokie93

Yes, it's true that these types of losses happened under Frank as well. The severity of the embarrassment is debatable and it's unlikely anyone will convince the other which losses were worse.

But the frequency with which Fuente loses these types of games is much, much higher than that of the Beamer teams.

Good teams lose to bad teams sometimes. It just happens. It's embarrassing if you're a fan of the losing team and you love to see it happen to a team you hate. What is frustrating, is that even though Beamer's teams sometimes lost to lesser teams, it happened infrequently enough that there wasn't ever a portion of fanbase conditioned to believe that losing to those teams was a real possibility. Fuente has done it so much in his short time here that fans really believe it could happen at any moment. That's not fun as a fan. I don't enjoy worrying about the very real possibility that Richmond could upset VT. Those wins have never been automatic but they have never felt less automatic than they do now.

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

I think many people are putting Richmond, ODU, and Liberty in the same group, but they are not.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

What about Richmond and Furman? Furman gave us hell in our stadium 2 seasons ago, and I don't think you'll find too many people willing to say that the 2021 Hokies are going to be better than the 2019 version.

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

We beat Furman 9.5 times out of 10.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Are you saying that it is more likely than not that VT loses to Richmond in 2021? Because that was my point. We will be 20 point favorites which means we will almost definitely win against Richmond. That is all.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

We will be 20 point favorites which means we will almost definitely win against Richmond

We were a 28.5 point favorite against ODU
We were a 16.5 point favorite against Liberty

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

I am arguing statistics with you. Probably gonna lose is inaccurate. Just because a thing has happened doesn't make it the likeliest outcome. Jeez.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

It's overly cynical bs. We will not lose to Richmond

My bad. We wont lose to liberty at home or give up 700 yards in a loss to ODU either. Never.

Those are FBS schools

Gobble Till You Wobble

Liberty last year and Richmond's best team ever aren't in the same league

The issue of course is that VT 2020 wasn't as good as Online Baptist School that has been FBS for 5 minutes 2020.

Online Baptist School went 10-1 last year and beat us on a fluke. They lost one game, to a P5 school, by a single point no less, and beat a top 15 Coastal Carolina team that no one objects to being good.

We lost because of a lot of things - including poor coaching decision, a wiped-out fumble return for a touchdown, and some rough defense down the stretch. I have a lot of issues with that game, but none of them are that a) we were worse than Liberty, and b) Liberty was a "bad" team.

within the past 10 years or so. VT only had a 150 year head start. When we are justifying loses to ODU and Liberty, that is all the more reason we could lose to Richmond.

I'm not justifying the loss, but i'm also not comparing a loss to a team that ended up ranked #13 in FBS to an FCS school.

Gobble Till You Wobble

Gonna be hard to beat the 6OT thriller the last time they came to Blacksburg. Looking forward to the start of Year One of VT Football

I hope y'all have a great time tailgating😂 I'm gonna be in sports hibernation😂

So with miles and miles to go, you never left
To find your purpose
Get up, you can and you will
Life is a task and scary as hell

Not to stoke the flames, but ESPN released their football playoff index today and Virginia Tech ranked... 28th. With an average record of 7.7 wins and 4.5 loses - firmly in the "probably should be better, but wholly average/above average P5 school" territory.

Is that index accounting for schedule or is it strictly a power rating? I would probably be excited if you told me we would have the 28th best team in the nation and playing in the coastal.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

"Beats a poke in the eye," as my uncle used to say. (shrugging emoji)

Should I feel bad that I was excited to see the 'above average' part tacked on at the end?

HTHokie93

That seems so far way at this point. This is always the hardest part of the (football) year to get through.

At least we can pore over and analyze the Spring Game highlights and takeaways to help us make it through the long off-season drought full of optimistic hope...

Oops

HTHokie93

This is always the hardest part of the (football) year to get through.

I disagree. I've always found the QB draws on 3d and 15 inside our 30 are much tougher to get through. /s

I would root for the Russians before I would root for Virginia.

Lining up in the shotgun to turn around and hand the ball off even further back when you need from a few inches to a yard on 3rd down, 4th down or the goal line is super aggravating too. Not so bad last year, but the 2 or 3 years before.

Recovering scientist working in business consulting

2018 Notre Dame says wassup

Such is the side effect of being "firmly in the "probably should be better, but wholly average/above average P5 school" territory."

HTHokie93

If i'm UNC, I run the basic counter play they used to rush for a million yards on us last year. Just run that until we stop it. Also Howell got rid of the ball very quickly - you could tell that was the plan. They aren't going to go 7 step drop against us, unless they are down 3 scores. They could have beaten us last year without throwing a pass if they wanted.

to add:

Defensively, I stack the box and force Burmeister to win the game through the air. If I'm UNC, I don't show any respect for the VT passing attack and just focus on stuffing the run, getting us behind schedule and making Burmeister uncomfortable.

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

Considering we have no clue who will be running we may have to be throwing without our new bellcow established yet

I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction:
“I served in the United States Navy"

Well, if I'm UNC, I'm feeling pretty good then. Burmeister doesn't scare me. He needs to really prove that he can hurt P5 defenses through the air. He hasn't done that yet. And, as with most offenses, the passing game is predicated on the running game. Stop the run, make a team one-dimensional and take some of the guesswork out of the equation. Our offense relies so heavily on misdirection so put 9 in the box to stuff all the running threats and force Burmeister to move the chains, consistently, through the air. I'd wager that he won't be able to.

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

This, and the fact that we are razor thin on the line and at receiver, is what has me very worried we may be 6-6 or worse again this year.

"That's it guys. Let's get out of here. That cold drink's waitin' on us, let's go." - Mike Young after win no. 300.

and it's a pretty glaring indictment of this coaching staff that they have invested so much in the WR room and we're still razor thin (and Changa Hodge out for the year, getting thinner) and still haven't been able to put a reliable receiving threat on the field since Phillips.

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

Whoa when did Hodge get hurt??

And yeah still pissed guys like Hezekiah got hardly any time even after showing he was an ACC starter consistently

What I do know and what becomes more apparent with each passing day, Hilgart couldn't carry Gentry's jock. That guy sucks. Sucks.

Just announced at today's media availability. I guess it must have happened in the last few days.

Well hopefully Jaylen Jones is ready to play I guess..

Well, if that happens, we might be looking at a regime change

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Nah man you don't make coaching changes after Year 1

"I have a PLAN. You just need to have a little goddamn faith, Whit. I just need. more. MONEY." - Justin van der Linde

Agree- of course Fu's counter to that will be to play the numbers game and just run 100 QB powers/keepers

Yah if last year is any indicator, we will go down three scores before deciding we need to switch up the game plan and air it out

The main difference between this year and last year though is Matheny won't be our free hitter on defense in this game. Almost every run play leaves a 2nd tier defender (typically a safety) as the unblocked man. At that point it comes down to a one on one battle in the open field and once Carolina realized that match up could be their All-American running backs versus our 3rd string DB playing because of Covid, we didn't stand a chance. If you go back and watch those plays, a bulk of them could have been stopped much closer to the line of scrimmage but Matheny just wasn't making that tackle in space.

Gobble Till You Wobble

4 star recruits versus a walk on. You can guess who was going to win. He was trying hard, but some things are hard to overcome.

If you run the tape, you also see pollard, etc blown 5 yards off the ball every snap. So sub someone for Metheny and they are 6 yard runs instead of 12.

Well if Pollard has really packed on 20ish pounds this off-season and with Jordan Williams and a healthy Crawford, I suspect we should be better off in that department too.

UNC's top two backs will be playing in the NFL this year, too.

Maybe we ought to recruit well enough to compete with UNC... in football.

We're 4-1 against UNC that last 5 years

Gobble Till You Wobble

this is a fair point. But Mack Brown is clearly a much better coach than Fedora was. 3 of those 4 wins were against a pretty poorly coached Fedora Squad. The other win was a 6 OT slugfest, at home, in Mack's first year. I think the next 2 years will be telling. Mack is out recruiting Justin and it wouldn't shock me in the least if he out coaches him too.

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

True, we are also throwing up our hands at them rushing for 500 yards because they have "NFL" backs. It doesn't jive

True, but people also don't understand just how hard it is for any defender (even a stud safety) to make a tackle when a future pro has already been running for about 20 yards (total distance, not upfield). No comparison to hitting him at the line of scrimmage. That's where the DL and LB have to step up and not get blown off the ball and rooted out of the play.

"That's it guys. Let's get out of here. That cold drink's waitin' on us, let's go." - Mike Young after win no. 300.

Any word or (informed) speculation on Lane's capacity for the opener?

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Still pretty far out at this stage. A lot could change between now and September. If Biden hits his goal of 200 million vaccinated by May then we could see, potentially, most American adults vaccinated by August. If we have even 90% of American adults vaccinated by then I could see the state lifting capacity restrictions.

Alternatively, if vaccination rates drop through the floor and other metrics, like infections, hospitalizations and deaths continue an upward trend we could be looking at a repeat of last year...i.e. no fans.

Probably, it'll be somewhere in the middle. There might be a 50% capacity restriction or something. In any case, despite what the science and statistics say, governments and people en masse react slowly so I think that it will be highly unlikely we see a packed stadium for game 1.

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

If you can have 50%, I see very little difference in lifting it all together. And, it shouldn't take anywhere near 90% vaccinated to get to that mindset. The infection and hospitalization rates you mention are a much better source for lifting the restrictions.

I expect full stadiums this year.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

If you can have 50%, I see very little difference in lifting it all together.

Agreed. But governments rarely, if ever, operate this logically.

And, it shouldn't take anywhere near 90% vaccinated to get to that mindset.

Obviously, I'm throwing around speculative numbers based on basically nothing. About the same approach governments are likely to use.

I expect full stadiums this year.

Maybe there will be some full stadiums. Maybe in some states. Maybe among certain fan-bases. I think it's unlikely Lane will be full against UNC. Maybe the state of Virginia will lift restrictions and there is potential for a full stadium. But you still have to convince 66000 folks that it's okay to go out to the game. If VT was coming off an ACC title run and had an exciting team full of hope for a special season in 2021 the stadium might be full. I just don't think that's the case.

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

I was curious so I started looking at some data on the vaccines. Virginia has about 40% of the population with at least one dose at the moment. It is on the higher side with most states having at least 30%. I fully expect cases to plummet in about a month as we get at least 50% fully vaccinated. At that point, government will be getting steam rolled to allow things to open up. I dont think they can be "better safe than sorry" another three months after that.

I do agree with your premise though. It is very hard to deregulate. The governor's are likely to try to hold on to restrictions as long as they can, but I don't think they make it to Fall. I am very curious if we can fill a stadium though. If we cant fill a Friday night game against a rival to open the season, the rest of the season is going to look bad regardless of restrictions.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

The governor's are likely to try to hold on to restrictions as long as they can, but I don't think they make it to Fall

I'm not sure I agree with this in its entirety. I think most governors genuinely want to open things up. They recognize that is better for the economy. But they're also playing politics. They have to consider the PR of making moves. It's not easy to do this day in age with such a politically polarized society. You could probably broad-brush-stroke say that about 1/2 of every constituency is going to flatly disagree with the other half. Governors have to try to juggle those differences. It's delicate and I don't envy them at all.

That said, I think you're probably right that if things continue to improve those restrictions will be lifted by fall. But for things to continue improving folks have to continue getting vaccinated and following precautions to keep themselves and others safe. If a new variant tears through the population and skyrockets hospitalizations or deaths (or both) that may force governments to keep restrictions in place. We're on a good trend but it's very easy for people to get too comfy too early and undue all the good progress we've made in recent months.

I am very curious if we can fill a stadium though. If we cant fill a Friday night game against a rival to open the season, the rest of the season is going to look bad regardless of restrictions.

This worries me to some degree as well. It's going to be interesting to see what the first game looks like. But I'm also unsure how our fans are going to treat recently lifted restrictions. It's also unclear how much leeway businesses will have in enforcing their own restrictions. Traveling to a football game involves more than just sitting in the stands. People have to spend time and money on the trip and will be expecting to eat out in restaurants, go to bars, stay in Air-B&Bs etc. There may be some folks who are just unsure how all of that will look right off the bat and may shy away from attending the first couple of games purely out of uncertainty. I could see stadium capacities creeping up over the course of the season.

So on one hand I don't necessarily agree that having a partially filled stadium on a Friday night in early September will be the bellwether for the rest of the season. But on the other hand I do worry that fan apathy has reached a 20 year high and the stadium will be half empty all season regardless of restrictions. It's going to be tough to tell which is true after just one game. I doubt Lane will be full on September 3rd. I don't necessarily know if that means the stadium will look that way all season or not.

It's always darkest before the dawn ~ Thomas Fuller

But I'm also unsure how our fans are going to treat recently lifted restrictions. It's also unclear how much leeway businesses will have in enforcing their own restrictions. Traveling to a football game involves more than just sitting in the stands.

This is the part that resonates with our household. We're longtime season ticket holders (and yes, our order is in for 2021) but who knows how many (if any) games we will be coming to this season. Some of it is about comfort level w/ exposure. Yes, we are working to get vaccinated but that realistically only protects 1/2 my family. Am I willing to take my kids into those large crowded (hopefully) environments. Is it worth it for my family to travel multiple hours to not attend games? Tough choices coming up for fans this year still.

It's an unwritten law that it's my lunch pail. I've issued the challenge. If someone outworks me, they can get it.
Darryl Tapp

Are you in with a local alumni chapter that is not right around Blacksburg? If you have season tickets and plan to not attend games, you could donate the tickets to be raffled or auctioned off with the money going to whatever your local alumni chapter wants to do. Scholarship fund, fund your local activities ...

I almost never attend games in person. Think I've been to 5 VT games in my life. But did go to the Wake Forest game they had Bud's tribute at because I bought the tickets off of someone who was not going and donates most of his tickets to the alumni chapter every year. Just a thought.

Recovering scientist working in business consulting

I'm in NoVA. The 'local' hokie club/alumni chapter(s) aren't very effective IMO. I've donated tickets back to charities before (I might look into that again, thanks for the reminder).

It's an unwritten law that it's my lunch pail. I've issued the challenge. If someone outworks me, they can get it.
Darryl Tapp

There may be some folks who are just unsure how all of that will look right off the bat and may shy away from attending the first couple of games purely out of uncertainty.

I can only speak for myself and other Hokie friends I have, but IMHO I think there is a huge silent base of fans that are desparate to get back into Lane and watch a Hokies football game no matter how bad the team and/or apathy the fan base is. If you allow fans to travel, tailagate, watch a Hokies football game, go to bars downtown, I think (again IMO) you will see a very healthy flock of fans go to the UNC game.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

I'd be curious about the geographic distribution of that 40% statewide figure. Would have to think it's overwhelmingly propped up by Hampton Roads and DC area DoD personnel. I would assume access and attitudes lead to drastically lower vaccination rates in the NRV.

It would be interesting. I know the sites in the Shenandoah Valley have been very active. Most people in my circle have been pro vaccination. I have heard of some folks resisting, but I don't know what percentage that is.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

Approximately 36K in Montgomery County have had there first dose.

We'll never get to 90% vaccinated IMO. There are people that flat refuse all vaccines, etc. I think at 75% vaccinated and a warning to the high risk groups, you open things back up.

Agree. Those who have taken all reasonable and prudent steps to mitigate risk of infection (wearing masks, vaccinations, etc) should not have to suffer for those who flat out refuse to do anything. Once we get to a critical mass of vaccinations, agree you issue a warning for high risk and those unvaccinated, then get things opened back up.

I'm not sure what you mean by "critical mass of vaccinations". Also, are you accounting for variants such as the south African and French ones?

This is a team/community/whole country effort. You don't get points for "doing your part". The pandemic (like football) is a results based thing.

Right now we're (metaphorically) sitting at 1-9 people saying "well, I did my part, where's my reward?" Did you push your teammates to do their part? Did we come together and everyone push for the same goal? Did we consistently practice what we needed to (all of us)? I think we can easily say "no" and that's why, in COVID terms...we suck and are entitled to nothing.

Where does 1-9 come from? Virginia currently has 1/4 fully vaccinated with around 40% with at least one dose. At some point we will be left with only those refusing vaccination or children ineligible for it. What will be the plan then? When is the risk mitigated to such a point that we can ease restriction?

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." - K

hi everyone please let's not turn this into another Covid Discussion Thread wherein we all kick around impossible-to-answer hypotheticals surrounding what constitutes valid grounds for reopening and to what extent

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

Would you prefer 2-8? Certainly nowhere close to bowl eligible.

We are vaccinated from the original and UK variants. Less effective against south african and the French one is a total crapshoot (only just heard about it sunday).

The plan is, whatever the science and situation calls for. Anything else is reckless. My opinion does not matter. The phrase "we have to re-open the economy" is ill conceived.

Science, science, and more science. If Fauci thinks its a bad idea, its a bad idea (he could be wrong, but he has the credentials to be judged by his academic peers, and only them).

This isn't political. No talking heads, governor, politician, whatever changes the fact that this only gets better when we do what we "need" and not necessarily what we "want".

The scientific community has done an exemplary job of getting vaccines developed, rolled out, and defined the risks to everyone, low and high risk, and given as much leeway as they're comfortable with. Sometime their information is real time, changes, and isn't presented in the best way possible, but I'm really sick of people pretending like they know better or deserve anything.

I will only clarify that mine and the original comment were referring to a point in the near future when vaccine implementation has reached its apex...nothing specific to today. I think I will follow Gobbles excellent advice and cut the discussion off here.

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Your statement of "what happens when we reach the number of people willing to take the vaccine" is a chilling one. You're 100% right. What the heck are we going to do if/when we can't reach herd immunity b/c of those unwilling to take the vaccine?

I don't think I could begin to speculate what the heck will have to happen then. /

Virus mutates and the vaccine doesn't work for the new strain. Then we're back to square one

But at least we won't be microchipped!

s/

Now finish up them taters; I'm gonna go fondle my sweaters.

Right now we're (metaphorically) sitting at 1-9 people saying "well, I did my part, where's my reward?" Did you push your teammates to do their part?

The good news is that, as of this morning, half of all US adults have received at least one dose of the vaccine. That is really good, and a good sign that by June, at least half the at risk population of the country will be vaccinated, and a good indicator that around half the children will be vaccinated once doses are approved for them.

The bad news is that there is a significant portion of this country that has lapped up all the disinformation regarding covid and the vaccines and adamantly will not get the shot unless its straight up mandated. Enough so that it might make herd immunity impossible, which is going to significantly hamper any plans to get to a point where large gatherings are possible.

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Yes! All reasons to be optimistic!

Unfortunately, based on my reading, there's other things on the horizon that make me nervous. Not enough vaccines distributed in less developed countries could lead to additional variants, which the current vaccinations are not necessarily effective against. I'm keeping a close eye on the south african variant, as that one is supposed to be less resistant against the current vaccine (technically the UK is less effective, but not by a ton which is very good).

Its still worth mentioning that 'less resistant' when it comes to the COVID vaccine still means its like 90% effective rather than 95%. Which, I mean lets not lose sight of the forest, the 95% was a mindblowing statistic when we first heard it. 75% effective would have still been an incredible breakthrough.

But the real important number here is that the vaccines (at least the mRNA ones) are 100% effective against severe reactions and hospitalizations. You might still get it, but it really will be like having an annoying head cold if you do. And everything we have been told from the start is that this wasn't about eradicating the virus but making it so our health care facilities weren't completely overrun, and the vaccines make that happen.

Now, that's just for the US, though. My entire team at work is located in India right now and things there are going.... poorly, to put it mildly.

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Well for starters, pushing "spooky" variants that aren't any more contagious or deadly than the 19 variant and are equally repelled by vaccines based on data, is not doing "your part" either. You want to mandate vaccines? or stay closed?

we aren't going down this road again

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Thank you GGC, that's some fine moderatin' right thar. Nip it in the bud.

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thanks, appreciate it. We mods all try our best to keep things running smoothly

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Then they shouldn't be allowed to post what they did and it needs to be edited.

My worry is will we even get to 60% before we run out of people who want to get the vaccine. There are a sizeable portion of the population that just don't want it regardless or medically have been told not to get it.

Pfizer has requested last week that their EUA be expanded to 12-16 year olds. That will probably be necessary to reach 60+%.

The lack of a kid approved vaccine has been a huge delay in the curbing on this process. Not to mention College students who sometimes do stupid things have been bypassed for a long time for the more critical ages. (not complaining) I think once the college age are vaccinated, the rates will really start dropping.

Thankfully we don't need 90%. I've heard 60% being widely used as the threshold for immunity. That's actually a realistic goal, but even that much is probably on the upper end of likely vax rate.

Anecdotally I think passive peer pressure has helped a lot. I've been coordinating vaccines for my command, and despite initial volunteer counts being around 50%, as access increased and people saw other people getting the shot and not growing extra limbs, they changed their minds. After Friday, 70% of the command will have gotten at least one dose.

I suppose it's not exactly the same thing, but we had our own share of "anti-vax" sentiment when I was onboard a ship.

Yet everybody had to get smallpox and anthrax, begrudgingly or no.

Is the military making Covid-19 vaccination optional?

I've heard some chatter that it may not be legal (yet) to make covid vaccinations mandatory anywhere because it's only been approved for emergency use by the FDA. If that status changes to approved for general use then it might be legal to make it mandatory. I'm no expert on any of this but I've seen this pop up in a couple of places so it's probably something to consider.

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Excellent point. We're all "potential volunteers" right now.

I was stuck on the armed forces specialization on making things mandatory.

volunteered to make it mandatory

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I know the brother in law in the army has said that it was "Highly" encouraged to get the vaccine when available.

Im guessing around 40% capacity for Lane this fall, unless there is an insane surge.

I am no science and legal buff/expert, and do not claim to be, but I don't think the covid vaccine will ever be mandated. No other vaccine has been mandated, at least by the federal gov't. And to start mandating it with the covid vaccine that was rushed to be created, that just sounds like lawsuits waiting to happen. Not trying to make this post too political, just my $0.02

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while I believe it is true there are no federal mandates there are state mandates for children to have various vaccines in order to attend daycare or schools (Virginia mandates, if you're curious). If you went to VT you might remember that in order to attend you would have been required to provide vaccination records and if you were missing a vaccine you would have been required to get that vaccine. There is a precedent to make vaccinations mandatory, at least at the state level, but the difference, I think, is that those vaccines went through traditional FDA approval processes. At the moment COVID vaccines have only been approved for emergency use. At some stage it is possible they are approved for general use. When that happens, there is a chance that states may mandate COVID vaccines. I am not trying to predict if/when any of that will happen. Just laying out the precedent that has already been set.

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Thanks for the link to those vaccine. Yea that's why I was only talking on a federal level as I guess in my head I was thinking other scenarios. But because as you mentioend the covid vaccine has only been approved for emergency use and this one hasn't (yet) gone through the traditional FDA process, I don't see even states mandating it. IMO I think it should be a choice, whether it's the person or advised by your doctor.

Now without going down a slippery slope, should people take the vaccine if an antibody test shows they had the virus already? Do they have immuunity to it already from having it? I don't know... still in very early stages of this virus and the data we have on it, whether or not we build antibodies from having it. My guess is yes based off other vaccines, but again, I am no scientist.

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a federally mandated vaccine gives a foreign agent bad actor a legal transmission hub for biological warfare. Will never happen.

I mean, smallpox was eradicated in the 1980s worldwide because of vaccines yet there is still the possibility that it can be used as a biological weapon. Stop spouting random bullshit before yet another thread gets locked.

Smallpox vaccine is government mandated by law in the US? why dont you stop spouting bullshit

I'm saying the whole "federal mandate because of biological warfare" concept is shit because we've completely eliminated deadlier diseases worldwide. And some of those diseases absolutely exist as weapons. I'm less worried about a future terrorist group or rogue state weaponizing covid than my friends who think it's fake and refuse to mask up and vaccinate.

I got my first pfizer dose yesterday, Im not anti vax at all. Im saying the US will never federally mandate a covid vaccine- never. So let's take that off the list of solutions.

I don't know what this means

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"federally mandated"...

Please stop it with the conspiracy theory crap

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lets just all let this topic be because it's not going anywhere useful

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GGC, do you ever feel like the little Dutch boy coming up to the dike?

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i resemble that remark

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

My GF's brother is in the Navy stationed out in Japan. He told her mom that they were requiring sailors who wanted to refuse to actually go to the vaccination site and decline in person after waiting in line. He said that it seemed to work on the people who were just refusing because they didn't want to deal the logistics of getting the shot.

Chuckling as I read that. Good policy for a group that you can force to stand in line.

Entirely optional because it's under emergency use rather than FDA approval. Commanders have been repeatedly warned against creating a perception that getting the shot is anything but voluntary. But the example below is a beautiful way of circumventing that. Making people go to medical and verbally decline in person jives with new reporting directives to gather info on all active duty vax status, which runs through the clinics.

I figure we will get to the 70, 80, or 90% herd immunity mark eventually. Some of us will get there the easy way (the shot) and some of us will get there the hard way (disease).

I am not sure what to do with my hands now

Edited: there are no facts to support that contracting the virus will contribute to herd immunity.

Edited to eliminate noise on this topic.

Edited because....well everyone else is doing it so I thought I'd jump on the wagon

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I didn't link anything because most of the things are behind some sort of paywall these days, but fair.

FYI
NYT and WaPo have removed paywall restrictions from coronavirus related articles.

Agreed! Sources Sources Sources! As much as we want to prevent unnecessary discourse in this community, spreading any form of disinformation with respect to the coronavirus shouldn't be tolerated (by the community at large and the moderators). Too many people have died for this to be permitted.

As I made a statement in another thread about the uncertainty surrounding the variants, here's a source that is a good outline (and not behind a paywall): What you need to know about the coronavirus variants

Wait I'm sorry - I'm shocked this thread has been allowed to fester as is,

we mods are trying our best in this and other threads. if you're shocked a thread is festering, at the very least kindly refrain from adding to it, or perhaps apply some figurative neosporin instead

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Wasn't trying to make a dig at the mods, y'all do a great job here, so my mistake if it came off that way.

Edited

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

See, I did not know that. I assumed those that had recovered had an immunity that would contribute toward establishing a herd immunity. Time to call my uncle and tell him his opinion does not have any medical backing.

I am not sure what to do with my hands now

I say at whatever max percent we get to, we open up. If we have to wait on people to get vaccinated that refuse vaccinations, we will never have another capacity sporting event.

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I think our running game takes a significant step back this season with the thin/new faces on OL and w/o Herbert. That will put a lot of pressure on Bru to make plays through the air... Look for him to called on to be a battering ram.

Defense will need to improve significantly for us to be competitive.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Blackshear and Holston are good and actually get a spring, I'm excited for them. But damn if the OL didn't turn from a strength to a weakness real quick. We're literally 1 deep at every position and lost Cannon Tyrell Smith and Jackson in addition to the two transfers which is basically the entire second team

Yeah I'll be shocked (shocked!) if our running game is even 70% as good as it was in 2020. I'm fully expecting a pretty significant step back offensively. Here's hoping the defense takes a big step forward. We'll need the defense to be a lot better to get more than 6 wins.

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Well luckily we do not have a bowl streak to protect anymore so what does 6 wins actually mean? *sigh...

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I read in a Roanoke Times article a few days ago that Tahj Gary has been really impressive this Spring. I've loved the kid since I saw his HS film. I'm hoping he is fully healthy and continues to grow into a legitimate option at RB.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Would love to see him do well. Guy is a meatball and has definitely been putting in the work with the program.

Lol. This is Holston's 4th spring practice

Yes and he was good last year after not having one

Its crazy to think a broken ankle and missing a whole season might set you back as a running back

Gobble Till You Wobble

Holston is a redshirt junior. Can't wait to see what we have in this mysterious youngster.

He was a 4.7 yds per carry guy in limited action last year. I think he has a chance to look pretty good, but will be a dropoff from Herbert. No idea what we get out of Blackshear. The mysterious youngster will be King.

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Correct, my point is holston is neither young nor a mystery. He has been in the program 4 years. If only we had a good creative offensive minded head coach to use a weapon like Blackshear properly, hmmm.

You mean this isn't the year for Cole Beck and Drew Harris?

Since this thread is already off the rails... this Cole Beck? /s

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Yes, that Cole Beck that was originally here on a football scholarship.

Holston has yet to have a full offseason of workout and nutrition while fully healthy. I think he may be a bit of a sleeping bear for the Hokies.

Is coronavirus over yet?

Actually he's had 2. After his TF/Redshirt year, and after his first year playing (2017). He was healthy both of those off seasons

Holston has yet to have a full offseason of workout and nutrition while fully healthy. I think he may be a bit of a sleeping bear for the Hokies.

This could maybe be more accurately said about King.

Sooo...what time do we think this game will kickoff?

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20:06?

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So, how about this COVID-19 thing? /s

I'm hoping that Spring has allowed for some drastic improvement for BB. Granted, his acceleration out of the pocket is insane but I'm way too tired of him bouncing a 7-yard slant.

Another white bronco? The first one didn't go too far.

I feel good about BB. In fall 2019 he was on the scout team, spring 2020 didn't happen, and August 2020 he was in protocol for a couple weeks. What we saw out of him in those first few games wasn't the most accurate representation of him, in my opinion. Towards the end of the season when he had more experience, he was much better. Against UVA and Clemson he went 25-34 for 339 yards with a touchdown and no interceptions. I'll take that completion percentage, yards per attempt, and yards per completion during an entire season.

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Yeah, but the kind of sad part is the 25-34 for 339 yards is what most his ACC competition put up every game not as a sum of 2 games.

lol

and are we really going to rest on the laurels of stats put up against uva?

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It averages out, Clemson's no push over.

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A) He didn't start against Clemson and got hurt later.
B) 34 passes is not as much a reflection of him as it is the playcalling. Like I said, I will take the efficiency of those numbers any day.

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Not trying to knock anything. I agree, it was a kind of a backhanded swipe at our OC as well. We play a team with a poor pass defense and good run defense, our OC calls almost no passes and a ton of runs.

I am ready to dig in on the coaches, but I think it's more on recruiting that it is coaching. Our WR's aren't exactly creating tons of separation, and we haven't recruited a truly accurate passer. Plus we had a kick butt O-line and an NFL RB. I guarantee UVA would have loved if we had tried to throw 50 times. Need some better offensive weapons in there.

Biggest issue for me is the wide receivers. I don't think they are well-coached, and I think beyond the top two of Turner and Robinson, everyone is either unproven or not good. Hopefully Payoute and maybe Wright can add another dimension.

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