Sources tell FootballScoop Joe Rudolph is a strong candidate to join Brent Pry's staff at Virginia Tech. An update.... https://t.co/aZ0OF2H98k pic.twitter.com/LmgASQ3O0z— FootballScoop (@FootballScoop) December 21, 2021
Sources tell FootballScoop Wisconsin offensive line coach Joe Rudolph is a strong candidate to join Brent Pry's staff. Jeff Potrykus has shared similar. Sources tell FootballScoop Rudolph is expected to have run game coordinator role as well.
https://jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2021/12/20/wisconsin-footba...
New Virginia Tech head coach Brent Pry, in the process of assembling his coaching staff, has targeted Wisconsin offensive line coach Joe Rudolph.
Neither UW coach Paul Chryst nor Rudoph returned messages left Monday night but a UW source said Pry would like Rudolph to coach the Hokies' offensive line.
Pry reportedly has hired an offensive coordinator – Jacksonville Jaguars tight ends coach Tyler Bowen -- but footballscoop.com reported Rudolph could also be named run-game coordinator.
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Is it just me, or does he look like Bud Foster?
I was thinking the same earlier. Like if you were half in the bag or squinting a little bit, could easily think it was Bud
Came here to comment this
Last name is too long. Pass.
We don't have time for extra syllables!
This man needs a nickname immediately!
Rudy
That's still 2. Let's go with Rude.
Dolph
Kev
"I must break you".
Then one foggy Christmas Eve, Brent Pry came to say, "Rudolph with your line so tight, won't you join my staff tonight?"
Then all the Hokies loved him, as we run for 250. Rudolph the Tech O-Line coach, serve some pancakes up for me?
Then when we go to pass it
The quarterback will have all day
Carving a Wahoo defense
Down there on Beamer Way
What's his brother Brent Pry gonna say though?
same thing his cousin Bud Foster will say
I hope you enjoy the 69th leg as much as I enjoyed giving it to you. awkwardly raises eyebrows up and down
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Seems like we're going back to vintage VT Football. Own the trenches, run the ball, and give the QB room to breath.
Agreed. The current level and style of Wisconsin football actually reminds me a ton of VT in its glory days. Get a bunch of 3-stars and sprinkle in some 4-stars, coach them up well, then have a nasty and physical run game.
Last year Wisconsin signed 3 top-150 players at OL including the #16 player in the country. Rudolph is a great recruiter, he was the primary on Rucci and Mahlman and the secondary on Benzschawel. Hopefully he can help us get better talent like this. But Wisconsin isn't exactly getting a bunch of nobodies.
Need talent to compete and this will be a great hire to try and accomplish that.
Agreed! I knew they usually had like 4-5 guys each year that were 4* types, but once I dug some more I was impressed that most of those guys were linemen lol. My main point I should have clarified was more about overall final class rankings. Wisconsin seems to usually fall in that 20-30 overall range that would be possible for Tech to be in too.
Can't wait to see what OL talent Rudolph can get us if we land him.
My dream would be a Harbaugh Stanford/Good Michigan offense. That would be ideal... some pistol, more throwing over the middle than Beamer ever would, ability to run the ball in the redzone. That is where we can recruit to and be successful with - especially with a good OL coach.
Eh, give me something more fun to watch. I loved Joe Moorhead's offense at PSU.
I also don't think we have those kind of offensive line recruits near us. Feels like they are bred in the midwest, where VA/midatlantic produces speed guys. More than open to be proven wrong by this with actual data..
I don't think we will be lining up under center a majority of the time or going in the power I or anything. I think this offense will definitely have some Moorhead character and be more of a smash mouth spread, balanced attack maybe skewing toward the run. I do think a physical run game identity definitely fits VT, as you look at teams like UNC who have loaded up on skill talent but are soft as charmin. I don't ever want to be like that. I think we can find some OL talent in PA/NJ/OH like we did often in the 90s and recruit VA hard for skill position and defensive guys.
I would counter that trying to change to a "fun offense" is the reason why VT lost it's identity in the later Beamer years and through Fuente. Give me ball control, tough, establish the run offense and a great defense and consistent 10 win seasons
First of all, you can miss me with ball control - controlling TOP doesn't correlate to wins like it did 15+ years ago.
Second of all, just because Fuente tried and failed to install a modern offense doesn't mean it's impossible to do. It just means that Fuente was a bad coach.
Finally, We can develop a tough, establish-the-run offense that is based on the RPO and other spread concepts. Look at Joe Moorhead's offenses (especially at Oregon), or Chad Morris's offenses at Clemson, etc. These were innovative, physical offenses that were fun to watch.
Watch Brad Glenn's offense at Georgia State - that was a super fun offense to watch. It's why I'm so happy we hired him.
TOP is not the end all be all anymore true.. but what is critical in today's game is scoring TDs in the red zone. That is absolutely critical in today's game. So give me Lee Suggs over whatever the fuck cornelson was trying to do in the RZ any day of the week.
Sounds like you agree with:
A close second is being able to control the clock when game circumstances dictate. How many times over the last 10+ years have we seen a lead evaporate because the O couldn't kill the clock and the D was gassed?
Nevermind 10 years. 2 this season alone.
Yep. One half of our losses this year would have been wins if we would have called and executed the right running plays for the situation late in the game.
It isn't the most important but it is important for completing upsets. Similar to basketball, if you are out skilled, limiting possessions makes the sampling size smaller and you get greater variance. I don't think Tech is ever going to out recruit Alabama so this isn't a bad strategy.
You had me at
I had a lot of fun watching the other team's defense get demoralized and quit.
I also had a lot of fun watching the other team's offense get panicky, then shell-shocked, then go fetal.
I'd really like to get back to that. So while I acknowledge criticisms about non-splashy names in this hiring cycle, I'll really be perfectly fine as long as we start mashing the other team in every game.
Did you have fun watching our anemic offenses fold when the defense gave up more than 4 TDs?
No, but that didn't happen too often in the late 90s / early 2000s.
But offenses weren't as efficient then. Checkout this site, which captures Points Per Drive over the years. You'll notice that the top offense are about averaging 0.4 points more drive than they were in 2007, while lesser offenses are averaging about 0.25 points per drive more in 2021 than 2007.
Ball control offenses aren't effective any more. You need to incorporate some amount of read/misdirection. That does not mean you can't be physical on offense.
The spread and RPO concepts have really taken over the sport. Most schools are running some sort of spread concept because it forces defenses to defend the entire field rather than bottle everything up in the middle of the field. Within that spread concept you can run 11, 12, and 21 personnel groupings and definitely have a very physical run attack from a spread formation. But the days of lining up constantly in the I formation and pounding it up the gut are largely over. There are so few schools that even have a true fullback anymore.
You're shifting the topic and arguing against something I didn't say.
I didn't advocate a return to the I-formation under center. I didn't say that a flashy offense isn't fun. I said that being physical and imposing our will on the other team can also be fun.
This is the identity that Virginia Tech needs to regain.
I think a LOT of this correlates to the S&C program. You can have beefy guys who aren't properly conditioned, and they'll get pushed around by smaller guys who are stronger. Case in point - I'm 5'9", was a buck 25 in college, but ran track in HS. I was pretty freaking strong despite not being big. This guy that lived in my dorm for some reason decided he was going to literally push me around. He was around my height, maybe a little taller, and probably well over 250 (we was kind of round-ish). So we wound up palm to palm (imagine you're standing with your arms out like you're doing a push-up), and he's trying for all he's worth to push me back. Not only did I not give ground, but I was able to push him back some. It drove him freaking crazy.
Basically, get beefy guys on the line, condition them well (better than the other team at the very least), teach them good technique, and you win the trenches all day long. Put a good RB behind that and "stick it in" will definitely be a thing again.
Being a large guy everyone expected me to be able to push any one around, I was a decent swimmer, but I was a swimmer so I had very different muscle development than lots of guys. Pushing people around isn't my forte. How to use muscle/strength needs to be taught 99% of the time.
So true. Training/developing the nervous system seems so critical to muscle recruitment and use.
Anyone who has learned how to use kettle bells or perform olympic lifts effectively probably has a sense for this.
I don't necessarily agree that TOP wins games, but your argument doesn't necessarily agree with that. If other offenses are scoring more points per possession, then it still makes sense that fewer possessions = fewer points. I think you'd have to find some other stat to support your argument
Fewer positions still = fewer points. However, for the typical team, 10 positions will produce more points in 2021 than it would for the typical team in 2007. Which means that VT needs a more efficient offense than we had back in the day.
But you trade possessions every time there is a score. So, yes, fewer possessions = fewer points for both teams. Ultimately, it's efficiency. More success on our possessions and preventing success on their possessions yields the wins.
And if you have the more efficient team, you want both teams to have as many possessions as possible (higher N, less error).
Not exactly. Milking clock is how you shave off a possession each half from the other team
Sure, but that only ends up with 1 extra possession per game.
Ok but if the argument is that offenses are the most efficient they've ever been, that's points off the board for the other team and possibly decides the game.
Like are you saying an extra possession doesn't matter? What are you even trying to argue there?
I think this debate has gone off track a bit. What he's saying is that simply controlling the ball and killing clock isn't enough. We need to be able to score when we have the ball. It's even more important that we are efficient if we do try to shorten the game because both teams will have fewer possessions and therefore less room for error.
15 years ago that strategy sorta worked because offenses were far less efficient so keeping the ball longer increased your odds of success. Now that offenses are much more efficient that strategy is less useful because an efficient offense is more likely to score when they have the ball regardless of how many possessions they get. The more efficient the offense, the fewer possessions they need. Whichever team has the more efficient offense will benefit from shortening the game. When has VT ever had an efficient offense?
We need to be able to score. Playing keep away won't work unless our offense is more efficient than our opponent.
That's allowed?
Under coaches not named Fuente and Cornelson, yes. But take your damn leg anyway.
If you're talking red zone efficiency, 2007's #7 and 2010's #4 in the country are pretty damned efficient
2007? Really? If that offense was seventh in red zone efficiency, then they were worse than 100th in red zone appearances.
71st in attempts and 74th in scores, but 7th in percentage.
TL/DR: there's lies, damn lies, and statistics (subtitle: why this number cruncher doesn't like looking at any one statistic and believes a lot more in the eye test in addition to stats, at least in college FB).
This is why you can't look at just one measure for offensive efficiency, unless it's a compound one that looks at multiple aspects. ToP doesn't mean jack if you can score quickly every time and have a good enough defense to make your opponent slog up and down the field. Red zone efficiency doesn't mean much as we just looked at if you're not getting there often. Points per possession maybe.
Sometimes defense skews offensive numbers too. Back when we had a much better defense and intercepted the ball more, or could force really crappy starting field position on every drive, we would generally score on short fields. Or if your D scores, whether they count those points in offensive efficiency or not skews things - you scored, but didn't take an offensive possession to do it, which gives their O another possession. Having points put up by your D and your D keeping them from scoring can allow you to draw out ToP to give the opponent fewer opportunities to score, and depending on how much you're up it isn't even the biggest deal if you don't score if your D is dominating, or you may be content with FGs. That messes with statistics.
And then there's some of these, that if you're using during a season to try to predict outcomes later in the season aren't worth much - you generally play your weaker out-of-conference opponents early, so if you beat the snot out of them the way you should when a P5 program plays FCS or G5 opponents, that skews offensive statistics high, and you can think you're going to have an amazing year until you play someone with a really good D.
Sorry, the number cruncher in me always sees how looking at certain statistics probably aren't as telling as people may think (context is also key for all the reasons I listed above). I think that's why SP+, as bar1990 and others have advocated for are probably better than individual statistics. Even that I have concerns about. I believe it takes strength of schedule into account, but given the smaller sample size of out of conference games, especially considering most schools maybe schedule one tough opponent and a couple easy ones, doesn't give nearly as good a picture as basketball when there are things like the ACC-Big 10 challenge, early season tournaments, etc. that give a better picture (another reason I favor expanding the playoffs to at least 8 teams).
The ideal stat for efficiency is points per drive (PPD). The net PPD is highly correlative with success:
https://www.bcftoys.com/2021-ppd/
Hm. Sounds to me like TOP is back on the menu boys!
How many more wins do we have this year, when the other team doesn't get one last drive in the fourth quarter?
We still have Fu amount of wins.
How many times was the offense inefficient and didn't score (or even hold onto the ball) on their possessions in the 4th quarter? How many times was the other teams more efficient and actually scored on their possessions in the 4th?
It's really not that hard. The only way you get more possessions are turnovers on special teams and one extra if you end both halfs with the ball. Generally, the most efficient offensive team wins unless points are scored on special teams and defense.
I could argue that the rules of the game have more to do with this than schemes. For years Bud Foster taught his DBs to never turn around just play the receivers hands when you see him go up for the ball. Finally had to adapt after getting hammered with PIs for a couple of years. Not to mention all the Targeting and Personal Foul penalties that always are called on the D. O Lineman are allowed to block downfield on pass plays. The more I think of it, with all the advantages the offenses have been given over the past 20 years; if they're only scoring 0.4 points more per drive they've probably regressed.
The Stanford fans I saw in the OB had a great time watching them curb stomp us up and down the field the second half
To be fair, any college offense with perhaps the best QB draft prospect this century is going to look really, really good.
They had 12 points at half.
Boy, you make a lot of money for a cherry picker.
Yep. We utterly folded after that interception was called back. Utterly bewildering to watch after such a gutsy season comeback.
I think the logic about not throwing over the middle in Stiney's offense was to maintain the integrity of rushing lanes when Tyrod, LT3 et. all wanted to bail on a passing play and run.
I dig it. I'm a fan of Wisconsin's run game, and they always seem to have a good O-line so you know he can coach up players well. He also is no slouch in recruiting either judging by his 247 all-time commits. He also is listed as Run Game Coordinator and Associate Head Coach on Wisconsin's site for what it's worth. Seems like he has good connections to PA too judging by his recruit history.
Bring on the beef.
While I would like the hire as much as anyone here, anyone else wondering why he would come to VT in what would appear to be a lateral move, at best? I don't think it is the "demotion" as that appears to have been pre-negotiated.
Some times you just need a change of scenery.
Just speculating: Money?
He's making $675K (after the 6% pay cut). Not sure we're going to do much better than that for an OL coach.
Seen $800 thrown around as an idea. Plus it seems like there was a growing rift between him and the HC.
He was demoted / lost play-calling responsibility and took a pay-cut apparently.
Warmer weather?
Rails.
#JumpAround2StartJumping
Seems like we would need to be bring him as OC to get him away from alma mater. So is Bowen still coming, maybe just as a position coach?
His alma mater gave him a demotion and a paycut, so maybe not.
Continuing that Storm Murphy pipeline #Madison2VT
splash hire of this staff so far IMO
This would be a huge get - Rudolphs around Christmas have never failed us!
I've seen several reactions from Wisconsin fans that I assume would compare to how we'd have reacted had we fired Corny. Why is that?
Likely because they feel he is just as good of an OC as Corny is.
However, he only held the post there for one year.I would liken it to when Stiney was promoted to OC. Prior to that he was by all accounts a great position coach, but once he became OC with the associated results, out came all the torches and pitchforks.
Edit: Misread a post about his OC tenure, but that actually strengthens the Stiney analogy.
Rudolph has been the OC at Wisconsin since 2015, when Chryst took over, and was Chryst's OC at Pitt prior to that. He's been an OC for 10 years
Because they're spoiled and don't know how good they have it. I think they're in for a rude awakening
I think it's pretty obvious. He prefers Metallica over House of Pain
This would be an amazing gain. I want that Winscy Oline bad.
I read posts where some Wisconsin fans weren't going to be mad about him leaving, but that program produced a 2nd Team All Big Ten RB, and FIVE OL were recognized this season...I'll take that please.
Wiscy has always produced great olines though. Cheese curds are great for getting that sumo wrestler body you need perhaps?
Culver's 2 VA soon?? ::fingers crossed::
Absolutely yes please.
Yes all day yes!!
We got one down the street here in FL and it's meh.
Wrong
I like Culver's but it's also meh. Pretzel bites are amazing. Cheese curds are good, not authentic. The burgers are nothing to write home about and the spicy chicken sandwich gave my wife food poisoning last weekend, but that's more of an isolated, local issue I suppose.
There are two near me in FL. One is consistently good, and the other was meh the one time I went. So I'm not sure how that works, really, but I'm not going to count them out, especially when comparing with the other typical burger joints.
Went to one a few times when I lived in South Dakota.... Completely agree with your assessment here.
Love their milkshakes!
Functional farmboi strength too
Cheese curds are great for every occasion
Especially for ralphing
If true, this is a big dog hire.
Would this hire be enough for any/all of our fleeing linemen to reconsider their decision?
As much as I would like some of them to hang around, I got the impression most of the linemen were extremely loyal to Vice so I wouldn't expect them to want to stay. Also, a new line coach and new offense could potentially mean learning a lot of new techniques, etc. and perhaps most of them feel they are ready to move on. Just a guess on my part tho.
So can someone explain if I have run game coordinator and a pass game coordinator, what the hell is the offensive coordinator doing ? I don't think I've seen teams with both and not one of them being the actual OC
He flips the coin to decide between which of them is active on a given play.
You forgot to clarify who tells the quarterback which receiver he MUST throw it too.
Even if he's got three guys covering him, you throw it there! Predictable outcomes - I can predict bad things will happen, then I can blame you and say it was execution. /s
That is also done with a flip of a coin. Tails - Qb run; Heads - First read. There are no second or third reads.
My understanding is that the sub-coordinators work on the game plan, play wrinkles, any new packages being installed for the week. The OC helps with all that and also actually calls the plays in game.
In honor of the holiday upcoming and CBP coming onboard and killing it - and he being a Scarlet Hurricane (Hurikun) from Lexington VA, this song is for him. (Have heard he and staff monitors the message boards)
https://youtu.be/TCRS4DRmf_w
I'm all for it if his lines run block like they do at Wisconsin .. and pass block A LOT better than they do at Wisconsin
Have a bad feeling he may be using it as leverage but I'd love to be wrong and have him on board, if we start winning the trenches we start winning games. If there's even a remote chance get him to sign on the dotted line CBP
I suspected that early, and as more time goes without anything official think it's more and more likely he will stay there. But if that is really who Pry wants I hope we get him. Nothing is going to please everyone on here, but missing on what is rumored to be a top choice will have threads devolving into arguments over coaches we know nothing about again, and I prefer the warm happy thoughts of believing things will be better moving forward.
Wisconsin's bowl game is a day after ours. ODU'S S&C guy waited until after ODU's bowl game to announce his departure. IF Rudolph is coming to VT, maybe he's doing the same (waiting until after the bowl).
Or - like happens to us in recruiting all the time- news that VT is looking at him has garnered him huge offers from programs with unlimited money- Texas AM, LSU, USC, etc.
This is probably why Whit likes to keep this kind of thing a secret.
Yeah I was surprised to hear anything other than unsubstantiated rumor or hiring announcement.... anything else feels suspect
Definitely possible but I have to think the money for assistants is there at Tech (they certainly didn't blow it all on coordinators), at least to be comparable. I'm thinking the biggest hurdle to getting high level guys like Rudolf is the roster depth and rebuild required. Guys with options aren't exactly keen to go somewhere they don't expect to be successful.
Prepare yourself for disappointment if this doesn't actually happen.
Meh. I would like to think that many coaches embrace the rebuild if they think they can leverage success into better opportunities after the turnaround. Some may even find recruiting during a rebuild more enjoyable because they are legitimately telling kids that early playing time is truly possible instead of selling kids on a pipe dream early on. But I'm someone who tends to go after rebuild opportunities so maybe that clouds my judgement here.
No announcement yet, this now feels like agents angling more than actual potential hire. Was fun while it lasted.
Their bowl also isn't until the 30th.
I'm hoping they are saving for a Christmas Eve joke, or maybe it'll just be after the bowl
This would be huge but makes no sense to me. Isn't he also a UW alum?? Wouldn't he have a lot of big time offers if he was unhappy there? Unless he and Pry go way back or he has family in Va or something can't see this happening.
I think VT should be able to attract guys like this from programs like Wisconsin but I'm skeptical of this one. Seems like he might have been approached but will use the interest from VT to improve his contract with Wisconsin. I have a hard time seeing him leaving an OL mill like Wisconsin for a complete rebuild in an entrepreneurial recruiting territory unless they totally burned him there. I'll be happy if I'm wrong tho.
And what ever happened to Herb Hand? I've read zip about him since being linked to VT. I'm honestly starting to think if you read it in Football Scoop it's probably not gonna happen.
Well, it seems like it's happening. They did coach against each other in the Big Ten. It's not far fetched that they may simply respect each other/like what each other is about. Rudolph had playcalling duties taken from him and I believe took a paycut this year. Perhaps he's ready for a change of scenery and we are offering a lot more money.
maybe this has something to do with it
https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/football/badgers-football-gives-j...
Yeah, well that being said, I would think Rudolph feels a bit disrespected by Chryst, considering he has been around a hell of alot longer than Leonhard, so he might be looking at his options, and likes what CBP is all about. Looks like Rudolph's contract for the coming year is already established, so I don't think this is related to leveraging a better deal from Wisky, but just checking out his options (and value) on the open market.
I also think even though Rudolph is a UW grad, he's originally from western PA/Pittsburgh area. So many views VT as a chance to get closer to home.
Huge WIN!!! I didn't want to get my hopes up. But if this holds up.....wow!!
davinop posted this in another thread. Check it out and salivate over the o-line play.
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/ohio-state-football/2016/10/75473/a...
thanks for the link on whisky's offense. I would love for our o line to be a ground and pound version of wisconsin. Tech could go back to a two back- billy hite system with a pound back, and a scat back. This will change our identity!! this will be a great hire, and a whisky transfer or 2 wouldn't hurt.
The irony that you would link to an article and suggest we salivate over...wait for it...jet sweeps!!
I feel good about the staff coming together, but the irony here is just too much, haha.
Point well taken. Goes to show one team's inability to execute does not necessarily mean a flaw in the underlying scheme.
And we joke, of course, but when Turner found a seam he made the most of those jet sweeps!
Watching the left tackle push No. 84's soul from his body on that down block replenished me a tiny bit. Now, I don't think Penn State is going to run the Wisconsin offense, but expect some attitude tackle to tackle. Now, they need to get/make the horses to do the work.
...um so do you like the hire? Whisky fans don't seem to be too broken up about it, some are even happy that he's moving on.
Very well could be a example of "you don't know what you've got until it's gone."
I thinks its part that, but UW fans aren't upset that their OC is leaving, which i would be disappointed if we hired him to be our OC, but they will miss him as the OL coach, they just don't know it yet.
you might like this...was posted on a thread on 247...start at the hour mark for Rudolph talking X's and O's
https://youtu.be/_ZnskNcGtnQ
Its been said before... but this would be a home run hire for the trenches.
The thought of potentially combining the PSU DL and LB with the Wisky OL and plopping it in the ACC? Yeesh
Totally agree. Been patiently awaiting (and hoping) that this would be announced this week.
The hires that Pry has been making all seem to be in the right direction to return VT to a hard nosed team with an identity.
Love this hire.
I mean without exaggerating, if we make this hire, as long as we can recruit as well as they say they will be able to recruit, in a few short years we should have the nastiest OL and front 7 on defense in the Coastal. Combine that with a strength coach who knows what the hell he's doing, and....
You can win a lot of games in football if you dominate the trenches. We did that for years in the early days of post-expansion ACC, at least on defense. Right now the ACC is listless, Clemson took some brutal hits to the coaching ranks, and there doesn't appear to be anyone ready to step up. If Pry can get his style established in the next 3 years and back it with some good recruiting classes, focused on the trenches, we very easily could re-establish ourselves as the toughest sonsabitches in at least the Coastal.
I have always contended that you build a team from the inside out. That along with a good QB is a winning combination.
Almost all successful Hokie teams have featured a very good to great QB, especially when the guys up front have excelled at their jobs. A couple of dynamic QBs led teams to great seasons even with a middling O line, but that is the exception.
I would argue that almost all successful football teams have made great use of a decent QB. How many Alabama national champion winning teams had QBs that did well in the NFL?
I think this is what you're alluding to, but up until recently, pretty much all of the Bama QBs flamed out quickly in the NFL.
And there is a mountain of evidence that, if you can dominate the line, keep a QB clean, open holes to run through, and have a stout defense, even marginal QBs can have explosive seasons. Its pretty much what got the Eagles their Super Bowl and what got Carolina to the Super Bowl in 2003, and the Giants a few titles, and the Ravens a couple and the Bucs their first one in 2002, and....
I mean if you can stack pretty much every other position then QB matters less. But the easiest way in college to be relevant is to have a play making QB. Even Bama prefers it.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Super Bowl winning QB Trent Dilfer.
Mark Rypien anyone?
Trent Dilfer, Nick Foles, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco, (yep, I'm going here) Eli Manning x2, 2015 Peyton Manning...
And if you want to start talking about starting QBs of losing teams in the SB...
Jake Delhomme, Rex Grossman, Matt Hasselbeck, Rich Gannon, Kerry Collins...
And that's just since 2000. If you want to extend it to the mid-90s, you can add Chris Chandler, Neil O'Donnell, and Stan Humphries
It certainly helps to have an all-world QB, but its definitely not necessary if you build from the inside out.
Reading through that list I honestly don't remember half of those QBs. I'm not sure that if that makes me old and forgetful or if they were just not that remarkable during their "break out" season.
Hah, I hear ya on that... I can help you
Humphries - 1994 Chargers
O'Donnell - 1995 Steelers
Chandler - 1998 Falcons
Dilfer - 2000 Ravens
Collins - 2000 Giants
Brad Johnson - 2002 Bucs
Gannon - 2002 Raiders
Delhomme - 2003 Panthers
Hasselbeck - 2005 Seahawks
Grossman - 2006 Bears
Eli Manning - 2007 & 2011 Giants
Flacco - 2012 Ravens
Peyton Manning - 2015 Broncos (he was legitimately washed at this point)
Foles - 2017 Eagles
I'll take a guy who can hit the open throw, has a bit of pocket presence, can hurt you with his legs if needed and the opportunity presents, and can make an actual read. Plus a coach that can set the offense up to match those abilities. Essentially at this point I would settle for mere competence in a qb and his coaching.
Give me a guy who can make a read and hurt a defense when he's given time to throw. If we are going to angle to dominate the lines like we are setting up to do, that should be more than enough to get us to where we want to be. A 'game manager' QB in that kind of system in college would thrive, especially in this ACC.
But you guy a guy with legit athletic ability behind a Wisconsin quality OL in this ACC? In the Coastal? Man, you're talking about the potential to put up Heisman numbers. And it wouldn't even really take a elite 5* QB to do it, a coachable 4* should do just fine.
Won't be a quick build, but if we can get the lines set, that opens up everything.
I'm closely watching what Cristabol does in Miami. He turned Oregon from a Finesse team to power run team with one of the best OLs in the country (yes... I know they got physically dominated by Utah, but they were still physical enough to beat OSU convincingly).
Regardless, I agree that we will undoubtedly be better in the trenches, and that is a great thing for VT.
When it comes to Miami, I'll believe it when I see it. Administratively I just don't think they really care to compete, and are happy just giving the appearance that they care. I know what they're saying right now, but they've said these kind of things before only to continue the spiral.
And if they finally get it right this time, good. Much better for the conference to have a tough VT and Miami battling it out annually than the mess we have now.
If they are pulling money from the health system into athletics, something Shalala wasn't willing to do, then Administratively speaking, they are serious about competing in football as a means to advertise the university.
The thing that signals to me how serious they are about this is going out and getting Clemson's AD, Dan Radakovich, to come in alongside Cristobal.
They're not just splashing cash on coaching salaries right now, they're going out and getting the guy who helped fundraise & build the infrastructure that positioned Clemson as one of the top programs in the country.
+1
Alum's thought process is wishful thinking IMO.
All signs and signals suggest Miami is getting serious about football again.
As someone who went to VT from '00 to '04, I think this is a good thing. The ACC is shit and needs to get better. We need to be a part of that. College football is better with VT, Miami, and Florida State all being nationally relevant.
I completely agree. It was much more fun watching a top 10 VT play a top 10 Miami than both being middling ACC teams. The games were more meaningful and more exciting.
smoke from the Wisconsin side too, even using the word "official" although there are no citations or sources or quotes
But is it "officially" official.
And now national media
GOOOOOOOOD!
Hopefully he doesn't miss the Midwest as much as I do. TOTS better put some curds on the menu just to be safe.
This looks pretty official to me
That article is definitely upping the hype meter
And
I'll have some of those, please.
And this looks like really official
Is it just me or does he look a little bit like Bud Foster in that pic?
Chiseled and grizzled..... just the way you want your o-line coach to look.
if VT's media dept knows what they are doing, they will post a pic of the two of them meeting
So we have the OL coach what's crazy is even more signed recruits and new coaches and staffers are following Herb Hand at UCF. What other role could he have?
well we still need a WR coach ...
/s
How many assistant head coach positions are left?
/s
Assistant head coach and kicking game coordinator
Assistant head coach and zone read coordinator
Assistant head coach and player development coordinator
Do we have anyone slated for the "Brad Cornelson Assistant Head Coach and Jet Sweep/QB Power Coordinator" position?
if they pay me as well as they paid Corny, I'll gladly take that position
Don't you mean the "Brad Cornelson *Memorial* Assistant Head Coach and Jet Sweep/QB Predeterminator" position?
when we said get rid of him we didn't mean *get rid of him*
Oops.
