OT: Golf Thread IV Spring Summer 2022

Rather than perpetuate last year's thread, I started a new one.

Masters was a great weekend. It was great to see Tiger back on the course. Not sure I am down with the lengthening of some of the holes (looking at you 15). Scheffler is on fire!

Hopefully Tiger can play the PGA but looking forward to seeing him at St. Andrews in July.

As far as my own game goes, I only got out twice last year (and that's 5 times in the last 3 years if you're keeping score at home). However, I have made it my mission to play this year and already have 4.5 rounds in the books. My game needs a lot of work, and the course I joined is extremely difficult (slope of 139), but its good to get out and play.

What's everybody looking forward to this year?

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just had our first child - I'd love to get out this year but if I do that will be a real blessing

Onward and upward

Congrats, but yeah - that'll put a damper on your game.

my game wasn't any good to begin with so not much of a loss TBH

Onward and upward

Congrats to you and your wife! Our first is coming by the end of the month. Naturally I've been playing the best golf of my life this spring. It was fun while it lasted.

The weather has been reasonably favorable up here on the Cape, so my usual Friday noon, and Saturday/Sunday morning groups started several weeks ago. Last Sunday, while everyone was watching the beginning of the Masters telecast and the course was empty, I hopped in my cart with a couple of cold ones and was able to play 18 in about 2 hours. Played more than one ball on several shots & putts, fished for some Pro-V's off the 17th and 18th greens, and was able to get home and watch the last 9 holes of the Masters. All in all, a great day.

Playing Draper Valley for the first time ever tomorrow. Seems easier than Auburn Hills (screw some of those fairways; to borrow from above: looking at you #15) but those par 3s are looonngg.

Please let us know how it is. They also aerated their greens ~ April 1.
Draper Valley is a superior course to Auburn Hills. You'll like it. Its a longer course, but more open.
I still like Auburn Hills as the small undulating greens are a real challenge and they roll great. I've had eagle chances on 18 multiple times.

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

I'll definitely add my observations tomorrow when I get back. I agree completely about the auburn course, especially the greens. I absolutely love putting there. I just wish I could get from tee to green a bit more efficiently. I think I've had two 3 putts combined in my last three rounds at Auburn, and that's more an indication that I missed greens and chipped to the correct tier, than an indication of my putting skill. Fun track.

Course is in great condition in my opinion. All tee boxes but one appeared to be growing in well, and all fairways were perfect. If you like really tight lies this isn't your track. But I enjoy the extra forgiveness that the slightly fluffy lies provide (I hit behind the ball a lot). Obviously the greens aren't quite back yet from being aerated. But they were actually pretty smooth. I ended up shooting a 90 with 5 three putts, but I was happy with my score. I usually shoot 88-92, so I hit my average. The most frustrating hole was when I three putted for par on #9 after carrying the marsh, second fairway, and pond on my second shot and ended up 25 feet from the pin. Would love to have that first putt back.

I really enjoyed the course. I think I have a new favorite in the NRV for sure. Auburn is a close second but I'm definitely planning on spending more time at Draper this year.

The pin placements were cruel out there today. There were a few that were straight out of a putt putt course. Draper always has firm fast greens. The only thing I dislike is that pace of play is always 4.5-5 hours.

Agree. Some pins were insane today. I think I had two lag putts that had 4 breaks. Number 16 was like two paces off the back and two paces off the right. With no prior course knowledge or understanding of the greens versus what I was seeing, I hit a lot of shots to center of green that left very difficult putts.

Fortunately pace of play was good for us. We were supposed to go off at 8:10, ended up teeing off early at 7:45. We were done at 11:35.

after carrying the marsh, second fairway, and pond on my second shot

Thats a serious good shot. That par 5 makes u think.

I thought u couldn't put pins <10 ft from any green edge.......

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

I don't know the rules but that pin on 16 was absolutely closer than 10 feet from two edges. Wasn't even fair lol.

There isn't a rule specifying how close to the edge of the green you can place a hole location. However, 2 paces (about 6 feet) is probably the general guideline. It really depends on how big a dick the greenskeeper is.

I'm teeing off there at 10:50 tomorrow. BCC aerated on Monday so its a good excuse to go play Draper.

You're welcome to keep any number of golf balls I'll be leaving up ahead of you. If you find any with three blue dots, keep them and I hope they treat you better than their previous owner.

The weather is finally starting to improve in Wilmington, Delaware. The golf league at work starts up next week so I've been playing every chance I get to prepare. I'm considering getting an indoor putting mat so I can practice a lot more. I'd love to get people's opinions on if they think it's worth buying or recommendations on mats they really like.

It's Time to go to Work

My $.02.

If you don't have one of those ball/spin/balance/marking things, spend your money on some Maxfli Tour (or Tour X) CG's at Dicks. The balls are balanced prior to marking so the putting alignment aid lines up with the center of gravity (CG). They will roll straight along that line if you strike the ball square to that line. Make what ever adjustments you need to make to hit it square every single time at a small target about 4 or 5 feet away (my cat's scratching post is the putting backstop on the rug in my office.) Works great; gives you instant, accurate feedback. I used to get a little sidespin, I don't anymore.

Regardless of what combination of fundamentals and putters works for you, just get used to making straight contact with the ball every time so when you line up the ball on the green, you'll have the confidence to know you'll putt along that line. After that, it's all about speed (which is my biggest challenge).

Going to a wedding in Wilmington next weekend and am looking to golf Friday morning. Anybody have any suggestions?

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

I think their municipal course is famously legit. I have never been there but I have seen the NLU guys do a video or 2 there.

Well...shit. I saw "muni" and thought of the muni's I grew up around and thought not cool. The other guy got with some people down there and we're playing Beau Rivage tomorrow at 10:20. Hope it's as good as the price tag lol

Update: nice course. Little on the short side, but tough shots to be made all around. Greens were in great shape. Fast and smooth. Been playing my ass off recently then go down there and fought a damn snaphook most of the round...that was infuriating, but still a great way to waste a day leading into a wedding.

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

I too have been battling a snaphook off the tee. Finally I give up and adjust my aim for it...then I hit it straight as an arrow. After 20 years this game still humbles me!

"War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner.”~~Judge Holden

Most pure contact of my life was when I was battling an aggressive slice, adjusted my aim way left and bombed a drive dead straight 3 rows into a neighborhood.

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I do the same at times. Pro that gave me lessons says that's when ur hands lead ur body. Sometimes a slack back rotation (ie, not enough) gets that happening. I have to work on that regularly. Having the awareness from his insight helps me a lot.

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

I have the most trouble with this when it's cold. The combination of having on more layers and struggling to stay loose restrict body movement. Once the summer hits I won't have to worry quite so much.

It's Time to go to Work

Me too. Video showed me lifting up at impact and closing face vs staying down through the ball. Switched to a 12 degree and playing it back a little and teeing down forced me stay down through the ball.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

After playing for the past few months, I'm ready for the British open. Don't think there's been a single day with wind under 15mph.

Trying to plan a golf trip this summer with my father and brother. Looking to meet up somewhere in central to eastern Kentucky, but Tennessee could be in play too. Anybody got recommendation on courses? Looking to get 3-4 rounds in.

I don't know much about Kentucky courses but I really enjoyed the Bear Trace courses when I lived in Tennessee. Not sure how far into Tennessee you would want to travel, but they're worth a look. Maybe check out the one in Crossville, I think it's called Cumberland Mountain if memory serves.

Never much cared for the crossville bear trace but Stonehenge in Crossville is a killer course that was bought by the Fairfield community so harder to get on now. The Bear Trace outside Chattanooga is excellent but if you go that far Sweetonscove is a must play (listed #12 on courses you can actually play on in one list) in South Pittsburg https://sweetenscovegolfclub.com/. Of course I am partial to the three championship courses in Tellico Village 30 miles south of Knoxville since I live on one of them https://www.tennesseegolftrip.com/golf-package.asp?deal=Tellico%20Villag... Also the River Islands course in Kodak has a killer front nine.

The LewDew, Professional Golf Bum

River Islands is a fantastic course. Its been over 20 years since I played it but, the one thing I do remember is the second "s" in islands is significant.

The course at the Lincoln Homestead State Park near Springfield has been enjoyable for me, I've aged it a few times visiting family! Front 9 is harder than the back, wide enough to be forgiving but challenging enough to make you think.

VB born, class of '14

Maybe I'll pick back up playing consistently this year. Maybe I'll also get my 3 wood fixed, anyone know how long it takes to get a club head remounted on the shaft? Is that like a do it while I'm there process or drop it off and come back

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Depends on how busy they are but, I would plan on drop off/pick up.

as handy and as skilled as you are, and if the ferrule is still on the shaft, you can easily do it yourself as good or better than anyone else. it is a very basic epoxy re-glue project...clean out the hosel; clean up the shaft; re-glue. JB Kwik Weld is fine.

I probably could, is the epoxy heat sensitive, would a heat gun give enough to loosen it up or would I need a torch....maybe this is my afternoon project, I've got loads of quick weld in the garage.

Actually forget the questions I'm just gonna go for it.

Edit: Yeah this wasn't hard but pro tip/lesson learned: Wear heat resistant gloves...the clubhead gets extremely hot burnt 3 fingers pretty good.

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hopefully you don't need the fingers for a little while : )

Yeah, good gloves and a heat gun. Unless you're going for that rich looking patina...
Otherwise, it's not difficult.
If you are looking to do the epoxy work yourself, spend the little bit extra on beads. It helps center the shaft in the hosel instead of being catawampus in there.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Did it before I knew what beads were. The shaft was already a pretty tight fit in there with a thickened epoxy eyeballing center and getting it in a vice so it wouldn't move was simple enough. I'm certainly not good enough to notice if it is off center.

I'll find out if I did a good enough job this weekend. If the ball outflies the club head I'll call it a win.

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If there is a golf galaxy near you, they can turn it around pretty quickly

I just got heavy into golf for the first time this year. I've played at least a round of 9 holes for 6 weeks straight. Did my first ever 18 yesterday. Let's say it was so bad that I was amped that I got a legit double bogey on a par 3. But every time I go out i see the progress and know what I need to build on. It's so much fun, I'm mad it took until my early 30s to pick this game up

"The Big Ten is always using excuses to cancel games with us. First Wisconsin. Then Wisconsin. After that, Wisconsin. The subsequent cancellation with Wisconsin comes to mind too. Now Penn State. What's next? Wisconsin?" -HorseOnATreadmill

It's a lot of fun to see the huge strides you make over the course of the spring/summer. Nothing like it when things start to click.

It's Time to go to Work

If you haven't yet, take a single lesson, you'll be absolutely dumbfounded how much your game improves and how much more fun the game becomes. I took one like 4 years ago and I'm far from a good golfer but I feel like I can go out and enjoy myself the whole time without getting frustrated and when I have misses I can pretty much immediately diagnose what I'm doing in my swing where I used to just guess and adjust things at random.

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That is absolutely on my to-do list for this summer. I've had so many people tell me to take a lesson or two. I'm thinking about doing a package or something like that to help me get the repetitions and build on the skills I learn

"The Big Ten is always using excuses to cancel games with us. First Wisconsin. Then Wisconsin. After that, Wisconsin. The subsequent cancellation with Wisconsin comes to mind too. Now Penn State. What's next? Wisconsin?" -HorseOnATreadmill

Insert "Do It!" gif here.
I got a 5 lesson set w John Norton last year as a birthday gift.
Man! Did I learn a ton. My game is much more solid. I still dont have time (yet) to play n practice enough. But, I'm able to push into the 80s consistently now, with low 80s on easier courses pretty consistently. I was a 90 to 96 golfer before.
So. Worth. It.

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

Shoot I just want to break 130 😂😂
I'm sold

"The Big Ten is always using excuses to cancel games with us. First Wisconsin. Then Wisconsin. After that, Wisconsin. The subsequent cancellation with Wisconsin comes to mind too. Now Penn State. What's next? Wisconsin?" -HorseOnATreadmill

If you are really interested in golf then lessons are important, and that is at every point in your career. My father would get lessons every year for him and myself when I was young. He still gets lessons for himself and he is 80. Up until probably 15 years ago he was a 3 handicap. He played in college, has played in final pairings of the WV Open with Sam Snead. You can always improve and look for something more to improve.

If you like it, go work with a pga teaching pro soon. Don't ingrate bad habits. A bad swing plane and you will hover around 100 for 25 years unless you are a superb putter. Long irons will always be a blind spot and you will have no consistency. Learn the proper - or a workable- swing plane as soon as you can.

...you will hover around 100 for 25 years unless you are a superb putter. Long irons will always be a blind spot and you will have no consistency.

Holy shit, this describes me to a T.

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

I will make it happen in 2022. Thankfully this is only week 7 of my golfing adventure. I'm very serious about becoming competent

"The Big Ten is always using excuses to cancel games with us. First Wisconsin. Then Wisconsin. After that, Wisconsin. The subsequent cancellation with Wisconsin comes to mind too. Now Penn State. What's next? Wisconsin?" -HorseOnATreadmill

That was me until I watched a Bobby Jones video from the 40's, iirc, and discovered that striking the ball instead of sweeping the ball off the grass was the correct impact scenario. I dropped 15 strokes almost overnight with that simple change to a more vertical swing plane and about five hours at the driving range. Lesson learned: get a pro to teach you the golf swing, not a VT football assistant coach pretending to teach a golf class during your senior year.

VTCC '86 Delta Company, Hokie in Peru, Former Naval Aviator, Former FBISA, Forever married to my VT87 girl. Go VT!

Yep. The downswing plane is the ONE thing every pro swing has in common- even Furyk and Matthew wolfe get into "that" position. That part of the swing is not art. If you don't make contact with the ball on the proper plane and shaft angle most good shots are pure luck and compensation which can't be repeated.

Yep, my constant slice disappeared overnight, and I was able to draw the ball with my irons for the first time ever just by adjusting my right foot back an inch or so. So much more satisfying seeing irons hit the ball higher, straighter and farther by striking the ball correctly with the downward stroke that takes a divot after ball contact. I don't play much anymore due to work, but knowing what swing plane produces correct contact is helpful for tuning up at the range before the rare opportunity to play.

VTCC '86 Delta Company, Hokie in Peru, Former Naval Aviator, Former FBISA, Forever married to my VT87 girl. Go VT!

Yeah this sounds somewhat familiar. I got so tired of my slice when I first started, I went to the range and I wouldn't let myself leave until I understood the swing principles enough to hit a giant hook. Once I figured out what caused severe left to right and right to left ball flight, it was a simple matter of progressively "de-exaggerating" the setup and swing until I was hitting a fade or draw pretty much on command. I usually can't hit the ball dead straight to save my life, but I can picture a shot shape and get it somewhat close to that. Usually. Lol.

I've gotten rusty due to reduced mobility in my shoulders and back (I'm working on it because I'm not old enough to be dealing with that shit yet, damn desk job) as well as less time to practice, but I can consistently shoot in that 88-92 range, which is good enough for me for now. I'd like to take a lesson one day, for the fun of it if nothing else.

Unfortunately I think they are golfing at the Roanoke country club and not the 9 hole VT course lol 😆

Excited there's so much hype for spring game weekend, and the weather is beautiful

VB born, class of '14

Since I moved a little further away from my home club, guess I'm a roaming golfer this year. There was a survey done several years ago, and the magic number for minutes away from a club people would join was 27. Last year, on a good day, I was right around that number. After moving, I'm around 45 minutes away. Sucks. Had a good group too. That's just too far to get that mid-week round in, and way too far for those 715 tee times on the weekends.

I do have a course in my new home town, but it's not the best layout or in the best condition. And when I spoke to the pro a few months ago, he wasn't sure of a group that would welcome in a new guy. Well, if I can't find a group to play with on the reg, screw it. So I'll just bounce around, play at my old course with my buddies occasionally at the guest rate, hit the beach with them for the guest rate as well, and see if I can sneak out here and there to the local range. Have a few tournaments lined up as well already, so hopefully can get my fix.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

I can get to mine in 24 minutes and it's an easy 24 minutes. The nice thing about mine is play is lightning fast. You don't need an early morning round to get done in 3 hours. And 18 after work is no problem from mid-April (we are in Michigan)

Good on ya. This time of year is tight because of all of the packages rolling through. There are courses at the beach that are owned by the same group (Lighthouse, Rum Pointe, Man O' War, War Admiral) that have lowered rates for members and guests, like reciprocal with a cart fee type thing. But we can't get on down there from now thru Memorial Day. Sucks even more that next weekend there is a tournament at my old home course, so my group can't play and the others are booked solid until 3pm. By that time it's a 5+ hour round to get 15 holes in. (Beach beer rounds suck if you are teeing off after 830.)

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Wow, the tee sheet is open that far in advance? That sucks. Before I joined my club last fall, rounds were 5+ hours and I didn't enjoy them. Its one of the reasons I played so little the last 5 years. While a private club is not cheap, I can enjoy golf again.

For the packages, yeah, they get those times reserved quite a bit in advance. Then they would beat the locals down, and the members of the club down, where we couldn't make tee times but only 48 hours in advance. It puts us in a bind for 6 weeks in the spring and 4 weeks in the fall. All about the $$$$. At least, if we get a really nice October, the courses are a joy and the views are petty solid.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Didn't pick up that they were "resort" courses. Hopefully, you can get enough of a fix. I didn't realize how much I missed playing until I started back up again.

Tee times are insane everywhere near me right now- Baltimore/DC suburbs

Has anyone ever played eagles nest or the west course at Myrtle Beach national? Playing next weekend

Yes I have to both. Eagles nest is a good test. If the west course is in good shape and they haven't punched the greens lately its one of the best on the strand, IMO.

I played Eagles Nest somewhere in the early 90's. I can't remember anything about it. Sorry.

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

Looking forward to late July...headed to Myrtle for a 2-day event at The Heritage Club. First day is 2 man scramble, and next day is a Texas Scramble; preferred drive then play your own ball in. If we get down there the day before might hop on Caledonia right next door, and we are staying on the 17th fairway at True Blue.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Bucket list trip coming next month. Myself and three buddies are taking my 5th wheel down to St Augustine to play the King & Bear, and Slammer & Squire at the WGHOF! Super stoked! Has anyone played either of these courses? Both?

"War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner.”~~Judge Holden

I've played both. They are great resort type courses. Forgiving off the tee but well maintained and fun greens. You will enjoy. We went in peak covid (Nov 2020) so this might be different now but we stayed in Ponte Vedra at the TPC Marriot and finding an Uber to take us back from St. Augustine was a nightmare. If you are staying in St. Augustine you are probably fine.

Thank you! We are staying in a RV resort in St A.

"War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner.”~~Judge Holden

I drive by them all the time but haven't played either. Word is they are fun courses if you play from the tees that suit your abilities. Overseed on greens is pretty much gone now so greens at least should be full Bermuda.

Oh, and our Band is playing Borrillo's Beer and Wine Garden in St Aug on May 7 if you are here that weekend.

this is us

Thank you! Unfortunately we'll be there the following weekend.

"War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner.”~~Judge Holden

First night of league last night and it was cold - mid 40's, overcast and breezy. I was swinging more stiffly at the end of the round than the beginning. Shot a 50 with a couple of pars despite the conditions, which is the best round to date on that nine. Had 2 swings and 1 putt I'd like to have back, but I hit my irons better.

That temperature drop at the end of the round can really hurt the last couple holes. Had my first night of league play too and I actually hit the ball better than the last few rounds so I was pleased.

It's Time to go to Work

Another cold night for league - temps in the low 40's, but sunny and not as windy. Struggled off the tee and never really felt comfortable. Used my cold weather gloves, which kept my hands from getting cold, but took away a lot of the feel for the club and might have been the reason I hit the driver so poorly. Shot a 53 with very few memorable shots.

Same experience. It was 50s with 20 mph winds for me so I did not put together a good round. Rarely got off the tee box with a shot I was happy with. 7 strokes worse than last week 🤮.

It's Time to go to Work

Wednesday night at our league was blustery. But the right holes had wind at my back and lorrrd have mercy. Some of those balls haven't landed yet 💣💣

Amateur superstar and idiot extraordinaire.

Wind is howling up here today, "real feel" temps around 40, but I'm playing in our noon group anyway. If you can't play in the wind, you're not going to like playing on the Cape. You have to be able to adjust your ball flight, particularly with several water holes on the course.

Late in posting this update due to a golf trip this weekend. My team had a bye this week and it rained pretty hard, so I only played 7 holes. Was hitting the driver better and I am starting to get a feel for my irons. Don't have a 9 hole score since I didn't play all nine, but it probably would have been around a 49 or 50.

Forecast was supposed to be low 60's, but I'm not sure it made it - better than the last 2 weeks by far. Par 5's killed me due to poor tee shots, second shots, etc. Hit my short irons very poorly and failed to take advantage of the drives that I did manage to put in the fairway. Bright spot was getting up and down on our second hole (18). Ended up with a 53.

I missed posting about last Wednesday league night - probably because it was the most forgettable round I think I have ever had. Fired 4 balls OB and two more into water hazards for a total of 10 penalty strokes. Also, our rough is very juicy this time of year, so any drive that misses the fairway is a half stroke penalty. I think I putted better, but its tough to overcome the poor teeing game. I've got some work to do to dial in my new driver.

Took a (planned) break last week/weekend so hopefully all of that bad mojo is out of my system when I tee it up again on Wednesday.

Rain took the day last night so we didn't play. Tonight is our shootout with the guys.

Last night we managed to miss the rain and had a pleasant night. Unfortunately, that did not translate to my game. Too many penalties (5 water, 1 OB) lead to a 55 on the front which was disappointing since I shot 46 on Saturday to break 100 for the first time this year.

New irons and hybrid are in - shockingly 3 weeks after order from Ping. I need to go pick them up and spend some time with them at the range - planning that for Friday or tonight if our shootout gets rained out.

Another nice evening for golf. We played our league nine and then two of my buddies and I raced around the other nine to finish it as the light was fading. League nine was a frustrating 54. Chipping let me down, other than a brilliant sand shot from about 30 yards. I am getting used to my new irons and surprisingly have not really mis-clubbed much with them.

My Arccos sensors are scheduled to arrive today, hopefully before I leave for the course. Looking forward to giving them a whirl to better understand my strengths and weaknesses.

Position night for league last night and I fired a bimodal 50. Shot 3 over on the first 5 holes with a birdie on a fairly short par 4 by dropping a 100 yard 52 degree wedge to 4 feet. The last 4 holes I proceed to go double, triple, triple, triple. The birdie was good for a net skin since I got a stroke - first time I won something this year.

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Anyone in the NRV or willing to travel, the Corps of Cadets are starting a two man scramble tournament this year at Auburn Hills on May 6th. For more information, see link above.

Also anyone in the Roanoke area, Blue Hills is doing their May Day tournament for the second year running on May 7th. They do 6 hole scramble, 6 holes shamble and 6 best ball and last year had prizes for top two in Gross and Net.

Im playing in this. See you there!

Was tracking the best round of my life yesterday. Shot 1 over 37 on the front and was 2 over through 16 when I doubled 17 and then shanked my approach from 100 yards in on 18 and ended up doubling that too.

Ended up with 78. I have scored better but never from 6600 yards on a tough course.

Anyone in here played Cutalong? Or is a member?

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

No, but my pops has a place on the lake. I'll play it at some point I hope

Headed to the Lake in mid August, and was curious about it.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Bumping this one...Looks to be behind a gate so very little outside play. Not sue I could do it anyway while down at Lake Anna next week, but curious if anyone is a member or knows how to play. Yeah, could call and ask, but would rather join up with some fellow Hokies to chase the ball around.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Has anyone done Bandon Dunes?

My dad is turning 60 next year, and I am trying to figure out what to do for him. That place is on his (and my) list, but it looks really difficult to get to. Would be flying out from Richmond, VA.

Also open to other recommendations for a golf trip. Other than Primland, he's done everywhere in VA basically plus Pinehurst/Pine Needles, Oakmont, Pebble Beach/Spyglass, TPC Sawgrass, Kiawah.

Never done bandon, but have heard nothing but great things. It is in the middle of nowhere and includes a bit of driving. Bandon weather can be unpredictable as well. Had a friend who went and one day it was raining sideways.

Other places to consider would be like Streamsong in Florida or Sand Dunes up in Wisconsin. They would fit a similar vibe to Bandon.

ME Class of '16
VA --> AL
I'd rather be golfing.

Streamsong is having exotic worm issues right now and doing 50% off. Not kidding. Hopefully its temporary. And Sand dunes is on a 2 season out booking schedule - FYI

I have heard from the east coast it's easier to get to Ireland/Scotland than to Brandon Dunes. Just throwing that out there as food for thought.

Bandon rounds are cheaper and the flight is shorter than flying across the pond and having 5 hours of time change versus 3. You can get with a travel company and have them get tee times to set up the entire trip as well. The afternoon rounds at Bandon are cheaper because it's considered a replay no matter the course. I know guys that loved Bandon as it's all on-site and just immersed in golf. I know guys that loved the travel between courses and the local flavor in Ireland.

I've bene to Ireland, but not Bandon. If I go back to Ireland I would hop ti would be a 7 day trip at least to play all sorts of course along the coast.

And the weather...well, you are going to get an experience at both of them.

To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Did Bandon last fall. 100% lives up to the hype. Played all but Old Mac. Sheep Ranch is a top 5 course in America, I don't care what anyone says. Pacific Dunes is a man's course. You have to hit your ball in the air on all of them. World class practice center. Great hospitality. Lived up to all of the hype. The only negative is the drive from Eugene to Bandon. 2.5 hours solid, back roads. The drive from portland is even longer.

That's what I hear...and it makes it better if you fly with the guys you're going with. Just to be able to get there and ride along together for the entire experience. My buddy that went last November loved it. And he said he'd do that trip again in a heartbeat. (And he loves Streamsong too!)

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We got extremely lucky with the weather. Rather mild every day. Got one spell of rain in the morning. I would do it again in a heart beat - I've done the Kohler Trip- Whistling Straits, Black Wolf Run, Erin Hills.. Bandon was better, IMO. I'm doing Sea Island this year. Good times.

Would you walk me through the travel to Bandon?

I want to go within the next year.

Sure. There is a flight from Denver and SF directly to Bandon- 15 mins away from the course one day each week on United. The issue is that it only returns to those cities on Thursdays. That is your only flight option to Bandon itself unless you go charter. Other that that - Eugene- a small but serviceable airport - is the closest. They have "enough" flights- but not unlimited options. I flew from Reagan in DC to Dallas to Eugene on American. From Eugene it's a 2.5 hour ride to Bandon. There is an interstate option for about 40 miles, but the most direct way is back 2/lane sometimes 4 lane roads. Pretty drive- not ocean front, but through the timbers. But a solid 2.5 hours. You don't need a car on the resort, but you need a car to get there. Portland has the most flight direct flight options of course, but that is a 5-5.5 hour drive to Bandon. So if you don't mind a longer drive, you can fly very easily and often direct into portland. If you want the most convenient closest airport its Eugene.

I have spent the last few days doing a ton of research and watching the trip videos from the No Laying Up guys, which I highly recommend. I called Bandon yesterday and asked about 4-5 nights for a group of 4. First they had was November 2023 and it involved changing rooms twice. I got on a list to be emailed when they open up reservations for spring 2024.

The issue is lodging more than tee times. If you want to book tee times without staying on the resort you can do so 4 weeks in advance (I think it is tighter during peak season though. Like all June tee times open on June 1st). So if you want to go sooner than 2024, you can probably find an airbnb and then make tee times when you get close to the travel date. From what I have researched you may not get every course you want when you want it, but you will likely come close, depending on the season.

Other research findings are fly into Eugene and drive, like was already said here, and use Ship Sticks. Way too many stories of people's clubs not making it as checked luggage.

I'd probably just rent clubs. The rentals are probably better than mine anyway (I took my clubs with me when I went down to Orlando and played at Bay Hill and I regretted bringing my own clubs - they were renting out nice looking TaylorMades)

Onward and upward

How many nights did you stay and how many times did you play 36? I want to play all of the courses, but don't want to wear us out. My dad will be ~60, but in good shape aside from a nerve issue in his leg that is lingering from a few years back.

I stayed 4 nights on the resort and played 4 18 hole rounds. 1 each day. Like I said we played all but Old MacDonald. We played the preserve and punch bowl as well- the par 3 and putting courses. both awesome.

Speaking of, booked a tee time at Dunbar in Scotland for late July last night. St. Andrews was just a bit too far out of the way, but the pictures of this place look pretty nice.

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Just booked flights last night for a week and a half in Hawaii (Oahu) just before Thanksgiving this year, and we're going a few days early before the other side of the family convenes in a house on the beach, so I plan to play golf at least one of those days. (Might play a second day depending on family activities.)

If you could only play one golf course while you're there, what would you play, assuming that you can book a tee time ~6mo in advance? And how much would you expect to pay? Target date is 16 Nov.

(I'm looking right at you, dcwilson40!)

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

Kapalua plantation course on Maui was 250.00 plus club rental. That is the extreme. The other course there is 150.00. There is a course on Oahu that hosts an LPGA tourney that is less than 100 tee time, IIRC. Just to give you an idea. My Oahu recommendation is https://www.golfwaikele.com/ hands down. Great course

Nice. That will be handy on Bandon. No carts, no cart paths, lots of sandhills. They do offer pull carts called "Rickshaws"- a household name on the resort.

I think they are the same carts they have at EP. That bag is made to carry though.

If you want a caddie at Bandon- which I highly recommend if you can afford it- make sure you actually call the caddie boss/stand on the phone to confirm. Online caddie reservations don't really translate there well. And caddies get booked quickly. I had a great caddie - AJ for 2 days out there. Super cool and could really read the greens. Great guy.

Do they have Golf Boards? There's a golf course on the Navy base near Kailua (which is where I think the family is staying) that offers them, and I'm almost thinking about playing there just to try them out. This might be a later in the week twilight round, though. I definitely want to play a top Oahu course, too.

https://mccshawaii.com/golf/

If you're not sure if my comment warrants a "/s", it probably does.

They did not have these at Bandon or Kapalua. I have seen them locally around my area, though.

nice!


If I still carried, I for sure would have a set up similar to that. Nice.

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@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Thinking about getting fitted for a new set of clubs and looking for thoughts and experiences. Anything to pay attention to? We have a nationally renown club fitter in the area that I am planning on going to.

Edit: I should add that my goal is more consistency without giving up distance. Additional distance is welcome but not a priority.

I did a Club Champion fitting last year. Ended up with Srixon ZX7s, adding 11 yards on my 6 iron distance (coming from Taylormade RocketBladez Tours). I liked the experience overall, but did not know much going in. I was gifted the fitting and the price was then taken out of the club purchase. My main recommendation is to request to only hit stock shafts. Most manufacturers have tons of great options these days so you still have a good choice. This avoids you getting fit for something more exotic that comes with a $70 upcharge per club.

Other thing, if you do a full bag fitting, consider splitting it into 2 days. I got worn out after the irons, hitting like 130 shots before landing on a head+shaft combo. Was too tired to hit the driver well so I rescheduled the rest of the fitting for the next week.

Thanks for tip on the full bag fitting. They break up the full bag fitting into two separate sessions. I plan on discussing budget with them initially, too, so that should keep me out of the exotic shafts.

Get fitted by Ping. They store your lie loft settings etc, so any store call pull them up at any time. Also get fitted for both irons and driver. May not be the same brand that suits you best.

Planning a full bag fitting to make sure my gaps are appropriate,

My two cents as a lifelong golfer and now club fitter (for my boys). Find a handicap appropriate club (forged or game improvement) that fits your eye and then try different shafts to fit your swing. The shaft is the most important aspect of getting the flight/trajectory right and of course ball speed.

at a store, you are likely to be hitting a stock 6 iron or 7 iron in a cage so you'll be guessing what your set makeup should be beyond those clubs. With my old guy swing speed/plane, any iron below a certain loft is pointless; on my recent purchase, I bought one pointless iron. I can hit my 5 iron crisp and clean but it doesn't carry any further than my 6 unless the ball is sitting up.

oh, and you may be hitting off a mat which isn't going to penalize a fat shot nearly as much as Mother Earth. If you can hit off turf for the fitting, do it.

I visited the facility and 3 of the bays are mats (indoor to outside.) The fourth was outside but I suspect its a mat, too. I am not sure if I will hit more irons or not, but that is a question I plan on asking.

Your edit...that should be what you lead with. Take your clubs, and they should get you to hit them first for a baseline. Then they will start the process. Don't get too deep into "this 6 iron is 15 yards longer..." because you'll get the clubbing squared in the near future. (Personally sometimes I hate they put numbers on the bottom because people get into the comparison between people as well as for the past....) Keep on banging that you want more consistency. And again, so what if the new 7 iron is 10 yards shorter than your old one, just hit the 6 instead! If there is a gap at the top, the new hybrids are solid. But tighten up the dispersion and you'll be a happy camper.

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Thanks for reinforcing what I think my focus should be. More distance will be easier to ignore than a shorter distance than I am currently hitting today, but you're right that in most cases there will always be another club to make up that distance.

When I was playing Mizuno forged irons, I was always a club shorter. But when I was taking their money and had a better handicap, it didn't matter. We all get caught up in the 165 yard PW sometimes, but that's useless if you can't score or enjoy the rest of the game. Happy fitting.

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Had my iron fitting today after work. Learned a lot about my swing and club design in general.

I found out my swing is pretty straight, but I am a bit inconsistent in squaring the face (both open and closed). I also tend to miss to the toe (wasn't a surprise since I had a bad case of that early in the year.

First my TM RACs from 2005-ish - I probably lost 10 yards of distance since I was playing regularly 6 or 7 years ago. Crossing the half century mark during that time probably has something to do with that. Ball speed was 106 to 107. My launch angle is too high (22 degrees for a 7 iron) and my spin rate was also too high (7000+).

I hit "Performance Improvement" 7 irons from Taylor Made, Mizuno, Callaway, Srixon (might have been less performance improvement of the lot) and Ping with standard shafts. Everything felt more lively off the clubface and ball speed went up to 112 to 116 (and distance went with it). They all felt good to me, but the Callaway had a off putting thick look behind the ball which made me feel like I need to hit with my hands forward. Out of all of them, the Ping gave the most consistent results with respect to ball speed, launch angle, spin rate and approach angle (about 46 degrees). Specifically, its the Ping G425.

Next we tried a half inch longer shaft. At first I didn't really like it as I was struggling to get the face closed, but after a few balls when we did the face striking sticker, I could get the ball centered on the club much better. The standard length shaft hits were slightly to the toe side of center and further out. Getting used to the longer shaft will just require a couple of range sessions, I think.

Lie angle was next and, other than not being able to get a good strike for the first 3 balls that got marked, revealed that a standard lie is fine.

My Driver and rest of bag fitting is Friday and at that session we'll work out whether I go 4-W or 5-W and what wedges I will use.

Also, I am tired and a bit sore. Definitely recommend splitting into 2 sessions, if you are going to get a full bag fitting unless you are used to beating 100 balls a day.

Thanks for the recommendations and I'll post another update after my second session on Friday.

Had my Driver, woods and hybrid fitting on Friday (we ran out of time for wedges, more on that below). Ended up with a Ping G425 9 degree driver with Alta CB 55 S shaft (set to 10 degrees), a Callaway Rogue ST Max D 3W with 65 S shaft and a Ping G425 3 Hybrid with a 70 S shaft (+1/2"). The irons which were fitted on Monday, are the Ping G425 4I-GW with 105 S300 shafts (+1/2"). The hybrid along with the irons are special order because of the longer shaft lengths, but I walked out with the Driver and 3W.

We ran out of time for the wedges but that gives me an opportunity to hit my PW and GW to get distances before hitting SWs and LWs. Hopefully, I'll be able to hit those off the grass, too - it was a bit mushy at the range on Friday.

It was a great (if not expensive - my set is north of $2500, the fitting fees were credited) experience. Given that I buy clubs once every decade or more, I think I can live with cost. I recommend if you can get fitted to do so. You will learn a bit about your swing and hopefully get clubs that are suited to it.

Again, thanks for all the advice and recommendations. I'll post a couple more updates when I get the irons in and have a chance to gap them and play with them. I'll also post an update when I have the wedge fitting.

So, as I mentioned in a post above, my irons came in last week. For those keeping track at home, I was fitted for Driver (Ping G425 Max 9 degree, set to 10 degree), Woods (Callaway Rogue ST Max 3W), Hybrids (Ping G425 3H, +1/2" shaft), Irons (Ping G425 4-GW, + 1/2" shaft). I need still need to do a wedge fitting. I've had the Driver and 3W about 3 weeks since they were stock clubs. I am also carrying Vokey 52 and 56 degree wedges.

Spent Friday afternoon at the range using Pro Tracer with about 70 balls gapping the all the clubs in my bag. Based on this, I probably gained 5-10 yards of perceived distance over my current clubs. I played my old 4I to 180 and Pro Tracer was giving me about 190 on the new one. My old 7I was 155 and the new one is 160.

The shot shape with the new clubs is more right to left (right handed), something I need to be a little more cognizant of with the longer clubs.

I got out to the course twice over the weekend. Under playing conditions, the distances varied a bit more. I used the Grint app to track distances on most of my shots. I definitely picked up 10 - 15 yards (was hitting 240 now in the 250-260 range) with my Driver and nearly touched 3 bills with the aid of a nice tail wind, which I haven't come close to in 10 years. The hybrid and irons still need more on course swings. It looks like the right to left tendency is less on the course than off a mat but it was a bit hard to judge what kind of distance I am getting due to the wind. I didn't mis-club as much as I thought i would though.

Since my Ping irons get me a free set of Arccos sensors, I am going to give those a try to get some better stats. I will post about that when I get them and use them on course.

Thanks to everyone for their suggestions for my fitting. I am happy with my clubs, if not perfectly happy with my game (is anyone, though?)

Is anyone in the Shen Valley a member at Spotswood CC? Interested in maybe joining for the course and a pool for the misses, but I'm not exactly country club type usually so just curious what the overall vibe is like there.

On business travel. Played Interlochen Resort course near Boulder, CO yesterday. Got off flight, its 41 degrees and raining. Mountains to West covered in snow. Checked weather, its gonna clear. So got settled in hotel, grabbed a bite and the weather cleared near 2PM. Played 18 in 45 - 50 degree weather - That course has 3 nine hole routes to select from. Beautiful course, greens are tough with undulations and pockets for hole locations. A challenge, but they rolled great.
Rented clubs, Mavriks, decent shape but grips were small so my hands overlapped too much. Had to adapt to that (causes a left pull), the club type difference and 3500 ft in elevation difference vs home. I was hitting all my irons 20-30 yards further than my clubs. That took a few holes to adapt to. I started slow as I hadn't played in a few weeks (death in the family). Ended up with a nice birdie on the 16th hole played and a 91. I've never seen this course before, so under the circumstances I was pretty stoked. Views from the course are outstanding.

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Just got back yesterday from an awesome weekend in St. Augustine. We played the King and Bear on Saturday where I shot a 94. I was on pace to break 90 after shooting a 44 on the front however, a triple and some doubles on the back ended that quest.

Sunday we played the Slammer and Squire and it kicked my ass with a 99. I had a horrible front 9 but played respectable on the back to salvage a round below 100. All in all I was mostly pleased with my scores as they are my average scores at my home courses that are no way near as nice as World Golf Villages. It was an awesome trip with three buddies, plenty of laughs, a lot of booze, and some good golf shots on occasion. We stayed at Sun Outdoors RV resort and ate at Harry's downtown every night lol. When you find something good why change it up?

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glad you enjoyed our town; come back soon!

Since posting the beginning of my golf journey, I have gone from the random smorgasbord of free clubs to a matching set of irons (King Cobra II's I think, $80 used 3-9 and P) and a driver that at least was made in the 2000s, a Ping Si3 ($30 bucks at Play It Again Sports. I was shocked it was so cheap!) It may be a 19 year old club, but that thing is more forgiving than my mother. And I still can't swing worth shit, but I really like how all of my irons "feel" the same now.

Also scheduled a set of 5 lessons through Cypress Point in Virginia Beach, starting on the 23rd. It's getting bad guys, I'm addicted.

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Welcome aboard!!! It only goes downhill from here. That Si3 is a solid club, but when you do upgrade, don't get too caught up in having to have the latest $600 driver. Almost everything in the past 5 years is near the same. The issue is going to be the shaft. Some people bang those things around, and over time the shafts will get weak spots. Just make sure it doesn't have any greying or peeled coating and you'll be good to go. Hit em well and enjoy the adventure.

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@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

That's great advice, I wouldnt have known to inspect the shaft of the clubs. A buddy of mine was telling me that the technology of the driver hasn't changed much since 2017. Told me to look for clubs from that year when I do go to upgrade.

"The Big Ten is always using excuses to cancel games with us. First Wisconsin. Then Wisconsin. After that, Wisconsin. The subsequent cancellation with Wisconsin comes to mind too. Now Penn State. What's next? Wisconsin?" -HorseOnATreadmill

With modern technology, I'm at the point I believe the shaft is the only part of the club that actually matters

ME Class of '16
VA --> AL
I'd rather be golfing.

It really is. And no need at all for the boutique $500 ones either.

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@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Caveat is driver. Modern face technology much better, more accurate, less spin, much more distance depending on what you go with. Irons, I agree to an extent.

Hence why I said with modern technology. I know I could take my current driver shaft (Ventus) and plug it into any driver made in the last 5 years and the performance would be pretty close. Same for Woods/irons/wedges etc

ME Class of '16
VA --> AL
I'd rather be golfing.

I was talking about comparing modern drivers... not to the past... There are vast differences in manufactures today in that regard. With the same swing speed and spin, I hit the Titleist TS2 40 yards longer on average than Callaway and Ping. Shop around for drivers.. it aint the shaft.

Dammit DC, you sent me down the rabbit hole looking at Titleist drivers and now I'm in love with the TSi1...

"The Big Ten is always using excuses to cancel games with us. First Wisconsin. Then Wisconsin. After that, Wisconsin. The subsequent cancellation with Wisconsin comes to mind too. Now Penn State. What's next? Wisconsin?" -HorseOnATreadmill

For the moment, you would have to pry mine out of my cold dead hands!!

That's how I feel about my Callaway, lol; it practically drives itself.

If you are comparing the top level of driver heads (Titleist, TaylorMade, Ping, Callaway), I think it's more about the fit (shaft, length, loft, etc) than the brand. On tour, there is far greater diversity of shafts/setups than driver heads.

That little lower case i is going to cost you around $300. I was tempted, but my TS2 is working just fine for the time being.

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Re-did my whole bag from the Cameron to driver 2 years ago. Great clubs..

14/14 are Titleist now for me. Had a hodge podge before with Cally irons, TM woods, Cleveland wedges. But pulled them all in for TT now.

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@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Same swing speed and spin shouldn't be giving you 40 extra yards period. If it was even close I would assume shafts were different. You put the same shaft in any of the brands new models, from a ping g425 max to a Mizuno, to a stealth, and the numbers will be marginally different at best. You use the same head and throw in a bunch of different shafts? That's where the big differences come from and that's why professional fittings fit the shaft first.

ME Class of '16
VA --> AL
I'd rather be golfing.

Finally getting on the course this year. Bay Creek in Cape Charles. First time on the Eastern Shore, and I have to drive 20 minutes over a bridge tunnel.

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I've heard good things about Bay Creek but never played myself. Also, that drive over the Bay is pretty cool. We saw dolphins last time we did it.

Bay Creek is in an interesting story. They did 36 holes originally. 18 Nicklaus design. 18 Palmer design. The Nickalus has the property along the Bay, was built second, and was going to be the members course when they fully opened and sold out the community. Well, Jack just can't help himself, and thinks every single golfer can hit a hula hoop at 215 yards into a prevailing seabreeze...he tricked up the course so bad that they've had to close 9 holes due to maintenance and it being just not playable to the average golfer. They now how 27, and rotate the 18 you play (I believe...)

There is a cool cart bridge on the Nicklaus though...and I love this photo.

Enjoy the round and welcome to the shore even though I'm nearly 3 hours north of there, 2 states away.

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@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

Good story and further proof that Jack is an asshole. /s

Palmer was the superior champion in my mind. I know the records don't support that, but I always liked him better. I enjoy his courses more also.

I hate Jack's courses. His 18th at Bayside in lower DE is a double dogleg par 4.

Hard to see there, but to go left of the bunker is like a 240 carry JUST to the left of it. Then it just gets longer with the angle of the water. There's a fountain in the distance, and it's directly behind the green. So go right of the bunker off the tee too long, and you have to hit over the trees blind to the green, which is a peninsula and deep bunkers on the right side.

the 18th is featured staring around the :30 mark and goes until around :55

He hides bunkers, doesn't frame shots well (imho), and has a lot of visual noise around to distract from his target golf bs. I've played 4 or 5, and don't care for any. I will play Bayside here and there mostely because it's usually in pretty good condition and when I do play it's on a scooby snack for free or like $40 for a course that is $225 typically.

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The front 9 at Rocky Gap in cumberland, MD. is one of the toughest I have ever played. The back is very tame though. For a resort course the front 9 is absurd, IMO. Having said that Creighton Farms in Loudon County, VA. is very fair. A bit tough, but fair. A top notch course overall, IMO. There is one hole that has a slope which Jack had to flatten a bit, but its still a very, very difficult hole. Long Bay in Myrtle is not terribly difficult either.

Arnie more likeable sure. Jack finished in the top TWO 37 times in major championships, which Woods or anyone else will never touch. Arnie, WADR was not in that league. Jack also won majors against the very elite of golf... Player, Hogan, Seve, Trevino, Snead, Palmer. In his prime the HOF players that Tiger beat in majors were Davis Love, Els, Couples, Phil- 2 of those have 1 major each. That list does not come close to comparing to Jack. not even close. Now, if this current crop of Speith, DJ, Rors goes on to win career grand slams, etc- maybe we revisit. Tiger changed the game, no doubt- brought fitness into it, brought NFL TV money into it. Jack changed the game too- he was the first player to use driver as a weapon and not necessary evil, and he actually started the PGA Tour. Tiger is the most talented, athletic golfer we have ever seen, Jack is the best "golfer" ever, IMO. Look at his record.

Interesting. Thanks for sharing! I looked into playing it awhile back and saw they had 36 holes, so I was confused when I checked recently and only saw 27 holes.

There's a newer Nicklaus-designed course near me called Magnolia Green and it is terrible. I can't tell what he was trying to do out there. At this point, I wouldn't play it for free.

Magnolia Green felt like a mix b/t serious and just for fun golfers. I personally enjoyed it, but there's quite a few holes that require some serious placement.

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So according to the locals, they were mad about the waterway, and then the club found out they could get a massive tax break by converting it into a wildlife conservatory...anyway, did Palmer today and it was well worth it. Great course, lovely views, and I hit some good ones.

Doing Palmer front 9 and Nicklaus 9 tomorrow.

That cart path has been redone. There are single family homes on the other side, but that little house is there.

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BSME 2009

"figured out they could get a tax break" reads as we built a course in the middle of nowhere (it costs $$$ for the VA Beach crowd to come over and it's 2 hours from the Salisbury area) and we didn't hit the projected rounds, Jack designed a course that was too tough for return trips and cost a ton to upkeep, and we could get money back for closing it? Deal!!!

Glad you enjoyed it. The Palmer is a cool track. 18 is wonky, but a good finish for a match.

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@BuryHokie #ThanksFrank

I'm headed to Kohler in July to play Whistling Straits, The River at Blackwolf Run, and the Irish.

Any tips or useful knowledge I'd benefit from for those of you who've been there?

Of course I talk to myself, sometimes I need expert advice.

Yes. did this trip 2 years ago. I have been lucky/fortunate to play world class courses, TPCs, PGA tour courses. To this day, the river at Black Wolf is the hardest course I have ever played. Relentless length, very difficult par 3's, a great test of golf. 15 handicap you won't break 100 there unless you hit some bomb putts. Whistling Straights is playable from the members tee's. The first 3 holes are as good as you will play in golf. If it's windy, the back 9 will be brutal in terms of scoring. Great golf course. Surreal views at times you forget you are in the US. Dye gives you a chance on approach shots at straights- if you pull the right club. Club up on all shots next to the lake. The caddy will help you there. The Irish course - great course... takes no back seat, IMO. Just doesn't have the views. You have to hit the tee shot well on the Irish. There are steep fairway fall offs that are very penal. One of the coolest holes I have played is on the Irish.. 140 yard par 3 where you literally can not see the green unless you are playing the forward most tee. You literally pick a tree with help from the caddy and swing. Very "neat" depending on your definition! I loved the hole and I was off the green. If on another property, the Irish would also be a "famous" public track. If you have time and 300 bucks to spare, get a tee time and play Erin Hills- down the road a bit. US Open course, public, fair - not as difficult as black wolf, IMO. You will love the little town of Kholer- black wolf is right there, Straights is a drive up the road.

So appreciate the rundown! Sounds like it's going to be a great time. On the river course, it sounds to me like it's going to be one of those "embrace you'll play poorly and just enjoy the experience" type of rounds. After watching the Ryder Cup last year I've been determined to make my way up. I'll be there for a work trip and sadly won't have time to make Erin Hills happen, but that just gives me a reason to go back in the future!

Of course I talk to myself, sometimes I need expert advice.

Work on your driver before you play the River course. Pick a ball flight and stick with it- draw or fade.. keep it in play. You CAN NOT play that course hooking or slicing driver. Keep the driver in play and its a start. If you can hit really solid irons into the long par 3's that will also help. Just be patient, listen to the caddy and have fun. It's just a very tough golf course- don't get frustrated- enjoy a world class track!

I would love to hear your top 5 or 10 personal rankings for courses/golf trips.

Anybody in VA play at either Caverns Country Club or Blue Ridge Shadows? I'm planning a 3-day golfing weekend with some family this summer that's not too far away from NoVA. Not looking for anything spectacular and it looks like they have some golfing packages that include lodging.

Big fan of Blue Ridge shadows, more more for the condition of the course and the hospitality. I don't remember much about the course other than it was a fair challenge. Some easy, some not. Seem to recall a good bit of water on the back, but not a lot of forced carries. All in all a fun track. I've never heard of the other one.

Same, back when I lived in NoVa 14 plus years ago, Blue Ridge Shadows was a favorite despite the long haul out there. I always thought of it as the low budget Raspberry Falls, another fav out in Leesburg. Also used to really like Rock Harbor back when it only had 18 holes haven't been back since the second eighteen was finished. Further in on 66 liked Stonewall, Westfields and Bull Run.

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Love the Rock as well. I grew up in winchester and while I didn't play when I lived there, I have several cousins in the area I enjoy a round with when schedules allow.

Do a golf trip out to Luray every year (just got back tonight) with about 16-20 guys. We play Caverns 2x a day Thur-Sat and once on Sunday. Love the course. The views are amazing. Tough course. Expect to shoot anywhere from 5-10 more then normal. I leave there thinking I'll shoot 72 on my local courses bc everything seems easier. Highly recommend.

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Never been a golfer but just got a whole bunch of golf equipment. Any advice on how to get started?

Start out with some lessons, group if you can find them as they are a bit cheaper.

Lessons, lessons, lessons...avoiding bad habits (things you'll need to undo later) even in the very basics like grip and stance are critical and will make improvement come much quicker.

But before the lessons, look at some videos about the proper grip and then read a little or watch a few videos to learn the physics of the golf swing...I think it is probably easiest to teach golf to someone who is pretty good at backhand throwing frisbee; or perhaps tennis.

[edit: but if you really, really don't want lessons

if you are right handed, line up to aim toward second base but try to hit the ball toward the second baseman (swinging inside to outside the target line causes a lot of good things to happen); keep your wrists bent/cocked as long as possible (like throwing a frisbee); pivot/rotate your hips around your spine and let them lead the shoulders and then arms on the backswing and downswing, shift your weight from one leg/foot to the other but don't sway your body (if you are right handed, rotate your right hip pocket back over the inside of your right heel on the backswing then try to put your left rear pocket where your right one was on the downswing); finally, with every club except the driver hit the ball and then the ground, even if it's just a little. you want your hands in front of the clubhead and the clubhead descending when you make contact with the ball.

lol, so yeah, take lessons! and if the instructor just tells war stories, get another instructor]

Lots of good stuff here, thanks for the details daveinop!

Don't take it to seriously and have fun. Nobody likes playing with the guy who can't break 100 yet seems to think he should be puring every shot and sinking every putt. Enjoy it because it's a great game. If you start playing often once you have gotten a couple lessons and hit the range a bit I'd invest in a push cart and you can find em used for pretty cheap. Then you can get more exercise in and save $20+ a round.

Half joking. enjoy the gameplay, but don't take 5 practice swings nor stand over the ball for 30 seconds each time.

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This sounds like me.

I think I know that when I aim *that way* the ball will go *some other way* so I'll just aim *some other way* and hope the ball ends up somewhere around *that way*

Adding to this.

When you start playing on the course - play "fast golf". That doesn't mean rush your shot routine. But what it does mean is be efficient in your movements. Go directly to your ball (or your partner's ball if sharing a cart). Obviously don't put yourself in danger from a partner's shot by getting too far ahead of their ball. At the green, place your bag or park your cart on the way to the next tee.

If riding, take several clubs if you can't park the cart near your ball (or your partner needs to take it to go to their ball.) This is especially true around the green. Also, if you are ready to hit, go ahead an hit (i.e. play "ready golf".)
Play from the tees which match your ability. Just because your buddy plays from the back tees, doesn't mean you have to. And finally, pick up after so many strokes (some say twice par, some say 5 over).

Golf is an exercise in frustration, especially while starting out, but each small success (good shot, good score on a hole, etc.) will erase all the negative energy from the bad shots.

Well said. The advice given above can not be stressed enough.

What are our thoughts on the LIV tour? I think Norman has had a hard on for something like this for a while. It will fail.

Players will make a lot of money. Tour itself will lose money but it may accomplish its sports-washing objective.

For a group with an unlimited bank account, it looks like they chose the team logos from the selection of yahoo fantasy football logos. Graphics and names are terrible. As a golf nut, I like more golf. I like team golf for Presidents Cup and Ryder Cup, not sure I need a full season of team golf though. Especially from no name players and has beens. Hopefully the PGA tour will adopt some of the better aspects of it to improve their product.

It'll go over about as well as the KHL in hockey

Initial hype, players can get an insane salary... But outside of Saudi money, they'll struggle to sell advertising and the whole thing could crumble quickly. The death knell will come when the major tournaments lock them out and they're all effectively barred from playing in North America again.

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It would have been hard for LIV to pick a more dislikeable person than Norman to be their spokesperson. Of course, they tried Nicklaus, Tiger, and probably others before going with him. Norman is certainly not making any more friends, and is attacking some of the biggest names in golf.

The team names are so, so bad! One writer even went to say they were so bad that if your kid's youth sports team was named one of those, you'd make them quit and have to move to another state.

Norman has had a beef with PGA tour for years. I am under the impression (and maybe giving too much credit) that Norman was fundamental to setting up the LIV tour with the Saudis to try to stick to the PGA.

Norman floated the World Tour years and years ago. I think he's been shopping it for a backer and finally found one. Then he stepped in front like they hired him when in reality it probably is the other way around.

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Norman thinks -incorrectly- that the PGA tour is a "monopoly" and that the players should get all of the proceeds- operations costs and charities? community goodwill? marketing? fuck that. Norman and Phil have openly stated for years that the "stars" should get 90% of the pie and the Harris English's, Zach Johnson's of the world should be happy to get their entrance money and stand on the same course as them. That has always been that prick's mindset. The PGA tour has never been a monopoly and has never "controlled" the players. They can play on any tour in the world they want. Norman is pissed because the PGA tour is far and away the best tour and its pay structure is performance that certain week and not star power. As it should be. That's the beauty of the tour- if you suck like Patrick Reed does right now- you don't get paid. Norman hates that. He also hates the fact that Zach Johnson and Andy North have the same amount of majors he has and Rory and Keopka have double his. His little Saudi money exhibition series will fail soon enough

I'm not sure I would say it will fail. I will say it will be unsuccessful. There are enough young talents on the PGA Tour that it will still thrive. The guys that went to the LIV Tour won't be missed greatly as they either were briars in the locker room or just past their prime. Those that jumped have enough seed money to do whatever they want in the future, and there's some guys that will be in golf for the next 20+ years in some manner that are playing on it. We'll see where it all shakes out.

Money example, DJ got more $$$ in a signing bonus than Tiger's career earnings on Tour: $125m to $121m.

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I like the idea of more golf and golfers being able to challenge the tour to take a look inward to improve the product. Considering that it will air through Youtube, I'm surprised they didn't pull any golf Youtubers (big name or otherwise). One big error out the gate was the pricing for tickets and how little information they've put out about broadcast. Their aim should have been to make it cheap/free and accessible to get more eyeballs on it. Obviously where the money comes from causes issues and will ultimately be its downfall in the US, but I could see it thriving for other countries. With the ties to the Asian Tour and how many DP World Tour guys they pulled, it at least has some staying power.

Its not a sustainable model, but If they can go in and get all the young talent coming out of college and such, then the PGA tour has a huge problem in a couple years. LIV needs to survive for 5 years at least and need to get a bunch of the young players. PGA will run out of young "stars" eventually

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I'd rather be golfing.

Not a fan of LIV and all this but Scott Vincent, a Hokie, is part of it. I'll follow him at least.

What is success or failure for the tournament? I think those things change for the different entities. Will it stick around long term? It will last for as long as the Saudi government chooses to throw money at it. It has already been a win for the players who joined in getting money. Now personally I wish they would have had the balls to just come out and say yeah whatever I'm doing this for the money instead of parading around saying they are trying to grow the game and/or they are being ripped off by the PGA tour when the tour is exactly how they have made so much money playing golf in the first place.

The biggest loser for all of this is the fans. Why are the majors so great, because we have all of the best golfers on the same course being tested. With multiple leagues each week the quality of the field is diluted and less enjoyable for the fans.

I have only really started watching golf in the last few years (been playing for 22 years, but you'd never know it if you saw me on the course).

It strikes me that the LIV made a pretty smart move. A "splinter PGA tour" would never pickup much momentum (see AFA, XFL, etc...) if it just "came into existence" without the big money. They'd only get players that couldn't cut it (2nd tier talent). But BOOM, throw absurd Saudi money in it, and already you have some big names signing up. This actually has a chance at picking up steam and becoming a real threat to the tour, which will force the PGA to probably make changes that they didn't feel bothered to make.

I'm not saying this will succeed, but they've given it a really legitimate shot.

Finally have my work and hobby crossing paths in a fantastic way. As the Coastal Resilience Group Leader for my engineering firm, we (I) have landed 2 golf courses in coastal areas to analyze their vulnerability to sea level rise, improve drainage from more intense rainfall events, work with a golf course architect I've worked with in the past, and deliver a final refreshing design to keep them playable into the future. A couple of the fairways we are dealing with are at elevation 4.0. Had a "site visit" yesterday at a course I haven't had a chance to play previously (it's private) while riding with the superintendent for about 3.5 hours...

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You lucky bastard.....

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That's a nice in to get to play a few rounds. You know to help with design concepts and stuff like that.

Exactly where my head was....

Edit: Oh shit, phrasing......

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well, having worked on landscape level conservation planning, I can say with certainty that you are definitely in a growth industry!

Back in the day, I did fish/wildlife impact assessments of the hurricane protection projects (Lake Pontchartrain and Plaquemines Parish levees) that ultimately failed during Katrina. I always thought that after Katrina, New Orleans should have created elevated parks and green spaces throughout the city for easy access emergency high ground since getting people out of that area quickly is so difficult. Wet and miserable is way better than drowned. Houston could do something like that as well.

Depending on golf course location you might be able to pair pubic and private $$$ in golf course redesign if portions of the course could also provide an emergency pubic safety function; even if nothing more than a staging area for emergency response

Unfortunately their proximity really doesn't lend to that, but the one is publicly own by a local town, and that opens up grant opportunities for flood mitigation to them that the private one can't chase after.

Frederick in Western MD has figured out some techniques that Ellicott City didn't, and are so far down the road that it wouldn't work now. But Frederick is set up nicely for almost any amount of rain dumped on them.

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cool

I'm in FL; our sea level rise projections cover a pretty significant chunk of the state, lol.

I'm on the Delmarva. After viewing the webinar at lunch today from NOAA about SLR, seems like south FLA has a projection that is about an inch more than ours. Used to work in Dorchester County, MD, and they are projected to lose 40% or so by 2050ish....

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I could see that. I've been in your area a few times back in the early 1970's (I'm old). My dad worked in the National Wildlife Refuge program in DC when I was growing up and I've been to Blackwater and Eastern Neck.

He had a friend that managed Remington Farms (per the internet, it is now called Chesapeake Farms) near Chestertown. We bred our lab (she had championship lineage from SW Louisiana) to one of their dogs and I got to shoot geese there a few times as a teen.

Just got back from Boyne in Northern Michigan. We played Boyne Mountain Alpine course on Thursday afternoon and then drove up to Boyne Highlands. We played all 4 courses at Boyne Highlands Friday and Saturday. They are the Arthur Hills, the Heather, the Donald Ross Memorial and the Moor.

Our group consisted of 48 guys and we played a "Ryder Cup" style competition at the 4 courses at the Highlands with a 2-man team high/low, 2 match play rounds and 4 man scramble to wrap it up.

The greens at all 5 courses were "country club" fast which made putting an adventure. I really like the Ross course and played my best round of the year on it, shooting a 93. I broke a 100 on the other 2 Highlands courses.

If you are in the midwest, Boyne is a good destination for a golf trip.

Got a golf trip with some fellow c/o 2011 and 2012 Hokies set up for late August in Sunset Beach, NC. Going to Sandpiper Bay, Sea Trail Resort, then Meadlowlands Golf Club Calabash. I cannot wait for this trip!!

In the meantime I'm trying to figure out my swing. 3 months and a lesson in and I still cannot figure out what I'm doing wrong. 3/4 swings and below I seem to do ok, but whenever I try a full swing it all goes haywire. It's so damn frustrating. I try to change one thing and 3 other issues pop up 🤬

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Nothing wrong with a 3/4 swing if it's going where you want it to.

Agree, plenty of pros w short back swings. It helps me, but i sometimes forget.

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I do appreciate the insight from both of you. I am going to have to try out the short swing and see how that goes for me.

"The Big Ten is always using excuses to cancel games with us. First Wisconsin. Then Wisconsin. After that, Wisconsin. The subsequent cancellation with Wisconsin comes to mind too. Now Penn State. What's next? Wisconsin?" -HorseOnATreadmill

you can have plenty of hip turn, shoulder rotation, arm extension (ergo increased radius), and lag in a "3/4" (or less) backswing.

https://www.golfclubguru.com/the-shortest-backswings-on-tour/

i've always had a short backswing with a quick transition and having just turned 67, it ain't getting any better : )

no point in doing anything in a swing that reduces accuracy and consistency.

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I loved the subtle shade Rory threw at Norman with his "I have 1 more win than somebody comment."

Got 54 holes in this weekend here in middle Tennessee.

Saturday morning played at Indian Hills which is a nice little public course. In the afternoon played at Hermitage, which was definitely the highlight of the weekend because I broke 80 for the first time, even with an 8 on the card. Yesterday afternoon played The Governors Club, which is a beautiful private course nearby. Weekends like that can't get much better!

Of course I talk to myself, sometimes I need expert advice.

My club had our first Member-Member this past weekend...five 9-hole matches from Friday to Sunday. In a strange occurrence, four teams from my 2nd flight tied for first place, and we lost in the 3rd tiebreaker by matching of the cards (which was total points on Saturday). We still came in 2nd and won some nice $, including I had a weekend-long CTP hold up on #17, our island green.

Unfortunately, I missed two putts in the 8-10' range that I would normally make in the last match, and lipped out a 25-footer on the final hole that would have won it for us. Forget about playing all 45 holes with the same ball, the 10 birdies over the weekend, the improbable 40-footers from off the green, holing out from a bunker on the fly, etc. It's the ones you miss that haunt...

Oh well, great weather on the Cape all weekend, lots of great food, cold beer, and laughs with friends. I'm headed up to Brookline for the U.S. Open practice round tomorrow. And, my Senior Club Championship is this weekend...

Finally got o pack some golf in over the past few days. Played a local course that has eluded me for decades while being able to charge work time for it since it was a "site visit" to assist with flooding and drainage issues for their upcoming renovations. Then played at the beach Saturday with the air show overhead. Nothing like having an 8 footer to tie the hole while an F18 is buzzing overhead. Then played a scramble yesterday with some buddies. We started with 3 pars on our first 4 holes, then heated up. I chipped in for eagle on our 17th hole then rang the pin on our last for almost back-to-back chip in eagles...shot 60 and won! We each got a brand new Rouge ST Driver for it too. Flet good to put some good golf together in a short time frame. 78-79-60.

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Love the fact that the USGA has the lockers in alphabetical order this week. That means that Kevin Na is right next to Grayson Murray.

If you don't know the back story, google them and enjoy the twitter fight.

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The US Open also tends to pair up people who might not get along, too (source The Majors - Feinstein).

Yeah, they'll do that for pairings, but the lockers are straight alphabetical. And it works out fantastic this week.

Na is paired with Sergio and Tyrell Hatton. I'm guessing Hatton is going to have some juicy twitter posts after the first 2 rounds as well, whether it be the pairings or the course set up.

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They have also paired Tiger- who despises talking on the course- with Asian born players on purpose because of the language barrier. Tiger loved that.

The Country Club could afford some locker paint, no?

By paint, I think you mean lockers nicer than a 1950's high school gym.

Rustic chic.

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A little off topic from the rest of the stuff from this thread but my 13 year old daughter had her first golf tournament on Sunday at Wescott Plantation in Charleston, SC. She's been playing for about 3 years but hadn't played much since last summer. She was paired up with another 13 year old girl on her team and they were playing match play against two 12 year old boys. They were tied up going into the final hole (this hole) and her partner hit her tee shot into the drink on this short par 3 so the pressure was on. Little Hokie hits her tee shot to about 7 feet and then drains the birdie putt to win the match.

My favorite things about the video are my son's audible "YES" whisper as soon as he realizes it's not going in the hazard and her subtle Tiger fist pump as she's walking back to the cart. She's pretty shy so it makes it funnier to me.

I'd highly recommend getting your kids into junior golf if you can swing it (golf pun!). It's really fun to watch and if you like to golf yourself, it gives you more excuses to hit the links. Cheers and hit 'em straight!

Awesome awesome awesome!!!!! So cool to watch your kids grow as people while figuring out an activity, like golf.

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Awesome stuff!

A little off topic from the rest of the stuff from this thread

No its not. This is in the cup of this thread. Great share. We all needed this. Be proud.

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so very cool!

Arccos Review

When I purchased my new Ping irons, I received an offer for a free set of Arccos sensors and a 45 day trial of their shot tracking system. After watching a few videos and talking with a guy I played with that had them, I decided it was worth a trial. Here is what I experienced so far.

You get 13 club sensors and a special sensor for your putter. These screw into the hole at the end of the grip and work in combination with your phone, Apple watch or special Link detector to record what club was used and, via GPS, from where. I opted to purchase the Link detector since it was half price. There is also an app that you use to get distances (just like GHIN, or the Grint, etc.). The Link pairs with your phone via Bluetooth and downloads shots to it when in range.

On the course, the detection seems to work about 90 percent of the time. I have an old iPhone 6S and if your memory is close to full, it seems to affect the app adversely. However, the link will store basically an entire round's worth of shots (maybe more) to download to your phone later (which happened on one of my rounds up north where the app didn't want to function.) If a shot is not detected (often with putts) or you need to add penalties, you can edit the round either on your phone or on the website after the round (much easier, imo)

The app will present two different distance calculations to you - a raw distance and a distance adjusted for slope, temperature and wind. Based on everything I've seen so far, the RAW distance is pretty accurate. The app also has some AI in it which will recommend clubs for your shots based on your historical performance. You need 90 holes of play before you can "unlock" this feature. One drawback is you do need to download the course into the app and have cell reception to get the caddie feature to work for you.

After the round is where the system really shines. As I mentioned earlier, you can review your round and add shots/putts, add penalties or correct lies. I also use the scorecard features in The Grint to track scores and putts and then reconcile the two after the round. The analytics on the website allows you to compare yourself to a target handicap (usually several strokes better than you currently are) and Arccos will analyze your driving, approach, short game and putting to highlight your strengths and weaknesses using the Strokes Gained methodology (same analytics used on tour). It does this by comparing golfers and golf shots across its database. You also get information relative to where you are missing your drives and approaches It will also trend your performances so you can see how you are doing over time.

In summary, I am pretty happy with what the system gives me, despite some of the frustrations I initially experienced. There are a number of good YouTube videos that show how this all works on the course, too. All those things come with a pretty steep price tag - $13/month billed annually. That said, I have already learned a few things about my game and I will likely fork over the money for at least 1 year. After that, we'll see how it goes.

To suggest an alternative, I picked up a Garmin S40 approach watch new on ebay for about $150 (black, color screen $279 now on Amazon - buying tip, put a price watch on www.camelcamelcamel.com for $230 and buy it when it drops below that price). I put three sensors in my putter, 58 and 60 degree wedge (since some of those shots are so soft they don't register) I forget what I paid for the three sensors. Turn on the watch at the start of the round (seems to come with every course on it), it records how far each shot went and where it went. During the hole it shows distance to front middle and back of green. At the end of the hole a score pops up and I correct it if it missed anything. If it is correct just tap it once at the bottom and go to the next hole. When done the garmin golf app displays each hole showing each shot, my greens in regulation, total putts plus some trending information. No monthly fee, its a one time purchase. Best system I have ever seen about the only thing they could add is spin rate but thats a whole different level. Supposedly the S60 gives you distances with elevation but I am doing fine with this (75 today thanks to three three putts).

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Definitely a less expensive alternative. I think what you are paying for with Arccos is the stats and analysis, which may or may not prove to be worth it.

My buddies Arcos seems to work/be accurate about 60% of the time at best.

Do you know if he is using his phone, watch or the Link to capture his shots? I know if clothing is covering the Link or the watch, it will miss shots.

He uses his phone. It happens every round - it will say his drive went 560 or 4 yards- things like that. Seems very wonky to me.

I think the Link is much more robust at detecting shots. Once I figure out the clothing issue, the only shots that aren't always detected are delicate chips and some tap ins. Usually those are easy enough to edit in after the round.

So, a couple of follow up items.

First, I ended up having the opportunity to use my phone in the pocket to detect shots because I got to the course and my link battery was dead. It is not as robust as the link, but it did detect all full swings. It missed a few chips and putts.

Second, the battery in the link lasts about 2 full rounds (i'd guess 9 to 10 hours). So far, it doesn't like long USB micro cables (or the powerstrip I am using is on the edge of its acceptable charging voltage) to charge. To me this is a minor issue. I have used it with a small battery (3"x3/4"x3/4") in my pocket to keep it charged during the round without issue.

I also got the arccos free sensors and trial when I bought my new driver last year. I like the information after the round and mid round knowing if the ball is traveling shorter or farther that particular day. Having said that I'm coming up on the one year renewal and I don't think I will continue with it. I got new irons and when I tried to re-pair them with the new clubs I found two sensors no longer work. I'm not interested in buying new sensors and I can't justify the money for the rest.

Played a venue new to me near Daytona yesterday...not difficult and in really nice shape. After an ugly start (+10 on the first 4 holes), I settled down to shoot 49-41.

First hole was real easy, I just pushed a short approach shot right of the green and made bogey. Next three holes were triples, I had no clue how to approach them...even after I played them! The trouble/strategy wasn't something I could figure out on-course with a rangefinder (maybe I should get one of those watches!), so I just spent 30 minutes on Google Earth measuring where to drive the ball (and where to lay up) for the next time we play there (it's a good half way point for me to meet up with a long time friend.) Anyway, closed with 6 pars and 8 bogeys on the last 14 holes; and didn't do anything special in my short game (the +5 on the back included two 3-putts). So much room for optimism.

In Palm Coast for the week, but I didn't bring my sticks this trip because I plan to fish the surf with my free time rather than golf. But I'd be interested to know the course you played so I can maybe check it out next time I'm down if it's public. Nice shootin! I'm always thrilled to shoot 90 or better.

I'm workin on building a set of gently used clubs to leave down here. Have a set of Mizuno irons I got for free, but still need to extend them, regrip, and get a driver, 3 wood, hybrid, wedges, and putter. Maybe by next year...

Cypress Head in Port Orange...public.

St Johns County is renovating the county owned course in the Cypress Lakes subdivision just west of I-95 off Hwy 207. Should be open in the fall...it wasn't bad before; should be really nice when it re-opens

https://www.sjgc.com/

Played a course on Croatia coast this week. Called Golf Adriatic. It had several holes overlooking the Adriatic Sea (between Croatia and Slovenia). Course was solid (great price and highly rated). But the environment and views were next level.

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cool!

I'm loving everything about this US Open except the coverage. Course is really interesting and does a good job at defending against the long hitters despite its average length. It has gotten progressively harder each day without becoming unplayable. Really good leaderboard for once.
The coverage is almost unwatchable. Constant commercial breaks that kill the flow. Its incredible how few golf shots they actually show over a 5 hour period. They tend to zero in on 3-4 golfers and show most of their back 9 with a few updates of other players. Instead of showing Rahm walk around a bunker for 90 seconds and repeat how difficult a shot is, how about show me 3 other golf shots in that span. That is one thing the LIV broadcast gets right. Constant action, you can't look away, they don't spend 2 minutes talking up a shot with all the legacy/history/fluff that fills the broadcast of pga tournaments. You get to see the full round of most of the players.

They received a nice plug of cash this week to increase the purse. More sponsors means more commercials. NBC has always been old school in their approach. I mean the Olympic coverage is painful on NBC.

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At least the exec producer from NBC heard the criticism and said if things need to improve then they would look into it and see what they could do to fix them.

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Golf coverage, to me, is like the ACCN. They are starving for live action, yet when they have the rights they show as minimal as possible...especially MAJORS. Every network has multiple channels. Show every shot from every golfer. You can bump an ad or highlight documentary from three years ago.

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Early round coverage on Thursday, basically was doing rapid fire shots. I was watching at the bar at my club (no sound) and they showed at least 5 shots in the span of about 60 seconds. I had no context of the shots (partially due to the sound) especially since there wasn't any continuity in which golfers were being shown. I had no clue how they got where they were or any perspective on what the shot demanded. It was just rapid fire shot, cut to the next guy, shot, etc.

And, at least at the majors, the legacy and history is part of what makes it special. At all of these courses, there have been remarkable shots and/or infamous blunders that have decided tournaments over the years. Remembering those in the context of the current round is important (maybe not two minutes worth).

NBC's golf coverage on its flagship is second tier, to be sure. Better than Fox but not quite as good as ABC/ESPN or CBS.

The Masters and CBS get it right. The Masters basically buys up all the ad space and commercials are only shown at the tops of the hours. CBS does its "fluff" piece in the 30-60 minutes before its main coverage starts. But they still show some of the previous tourney highlights during the round when appropriate.

Coverage wasn't great but what I want to know is why Rahm wasn't DQ'd after Saturday for very clearly building a stance in the bunker.

Which hole?

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His ball wasn't in the bunker, so it doesn't come in to play.
Same with Rory on Thursday.

There was someone on Saturday I believe that was just under the lip, hit it straight up in the air, and it rolled like 25 yards down the hill. Thought it was Scheffler or Scott, but can't find the video on their scorecard. They were like shin deep, well deeper than what Rory or Rahm were.

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ahhhhhhhh; tho does it matter?

Rule 13-3 allows the player to take a firm stance but not build a stance. Perhaps stepping repeatedly into the same place is taking a firm stance as long as you don't add sand to make it firm

It's a grey area. Depends on the rules official. And those that see it. Some are harsher for their interpretations. Some only answer the question when it's asked of them. To me, with their ball being outside the hazard, it affords them some wiggle room to dig. Cantlay's though, that to me is building. Like need permits for it in most jurisdictions. Maybe even some silt fence. But if it wasn't called, nobody spoke up over it.

Going back to the top, I beleive they would have just assessed Rahm a penalty and not Dairy Queen'd him for it. Would've made him run a little hotter overnight Saturday after closing out on 18.

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Found it. Cantlay, on 5 Sunday.
If you go to scoring, HERE
Scroll to Cantlay, and round 4. you can get to #5 and there's a camera icon. His right foot is buried in there.

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About to check out the Eagles Haven at Little Creek (never thought my job would help me get into a golf course lol). I think I figured out my driver swing yesterday at the range and my last time out at Hells Point in VA Beach the ball at least went the direction I was aiming most of the time. The three-quarters swing everyone recommended were what did it. I still have a LONG way to go but these little incremental improvements are what's keeping me addicted.

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Eagle haven at little creek is where my golf hobbie/addiction began. I was 13, it was 1974. I had a paper route and had to get up at 4:30 every morning (except xmas). I had my clubs in a locker at the clubhouse. For $27 a month, i could play all i wanted, had a locker, and they calculated my handicap.
I'd do my paper route, have breakfast at home, and then ride my bike from lake shores where I lived, thru Gate 4, and to the golf course. I did this every day for most of the summer and as much as i could thru the school year.
I fell in love with the game that summer. That and the next year were fun summers.

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That's awesome, thats a great story! I had no idea Eagle Haven had been around since then. I was very pleasantly surprised today, it's a great course. I think they had fun messing with us designing it with all the water features around 😅

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Hey Michael O'Keefe

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Any recommendations for courses in Orlando? I'll be there next week for vacation and will probably play twice. I've played probably 12 courses there in the past 25 years, but i cant really remember any names so i guess none really stood out.

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

Any connections to Kinloch, or know how easy it is to stay in the cottages on property?

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My cousin works there. I've asked, and will post back if he answers.

Edit: with a member, as simple as an email. Without a member, next to impossible.

Gracias...just need to find a member!!!

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Ditto; I've heard membership cost is upwards of absurdity

Finally put all the pieces together on Saturday and shot even par. Made the turn 2 under and proceeded to bogey 10 and 11. A quick sense of despair, a little self talk, and I righted the ship. Also had 3 lip outs that would have made for an amazing day, including one on 18 that turned dead 90. The neat part was playing with a guy that used to pitch for Richmond, who outdrove me by at least 80 yards and beating him. (He's a 1 cap.) Between us we were -10 on the round best ball. Time for the member guest this weekend!

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Nice round.

Incredibly solid. I hope you both celebrated, thats a round to remember.
Im not close to that,..... yet.

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I did!! And there was some bourbon involved as well.
video

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Solid. I tend to celebrate all my *potential* good rounds with bourbon before and/or during the round.

There's a flask with Buffalo Trace in my bag. We typically take a sip after each birdie...

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If birdie was a requirement for a drink, my flask would never run dry.

We use a different system:
A good tee shot - that deserves a drink!
A tee shot 30 yds OB - that deserves a drink!
A green in regulation - that deserves a drink!
Chipping on for your 7th shot - that deserves a drink!
Sinking a 40 foot putt - that deserves a drink!
3 jacking from 6 feet - that deserves a drink!

Please don't drive home after this round. Damn!

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Holy shit..you are gonna destroy me next Monday. (Me, Nerf, and MasScott and his dad are playing Eagles Landing in Maryland-first time meeting them). Im a 94 on a good day.

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

I don't always play that well. And don't care what you shoot as long as you aren't a dingus. We'll have a blast!!!!

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I'm definitely not a dingus. Unless you ask my wife, that is, in which case I probably am. Lookin' forward to it.

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

hahaha he's going to destroy me too

We're going to have a blast!!!

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No doubt!

Played 3 rounds over the weekend. Friday morning played Gettysburg National, and Friday afternoon played Maryland National. Enjoyed both, Gettysburg more my speed. Didn't shoot well in the morning due to some rust after a few months off. Friday afternoon sucked due to fatigue, humidity, etc. I think I broke 100 barely in the morning, shot a 110 Friday afternoon. Monday morning played Gettysburg again and got back to my typical average, shooting a 92. Had a good time, and recommend both courses if you are ever in the area.

I need to figure out where the big hook with my mid and long irons is coming from. Pretty frustrating. Oh well, I doubt I play enough the rest of the year to worry about fixing it.

Checked out Palm Harbor this week. Greens were in "okay" shape and it was a million degrees, but had a good time. I actually kinda like the layout and I'll play it again. It's also a convenient place to meet up with my buddy in Deland.

St Johns county course (the old Cypress Lakes course off 207 just west of 95) is scheduled to reopen Oct 1. It's a complete renovation, so it will be interesting to see what they come up with. The original design was awful; so lots of opportunity!

Good lord. Takes a different type of dedication to play in the summer down there. I haven't even taken my sticks my last two summer trips. Kudos to you for braving the inferno. And thanks for the report. I'll try to check those out next time I'm down.

I figured Palm Harbor can't be far from where y'all vacation, it's probably a mile and a half from West Marine. It's in an older neighborhood but the course is kind of cool.

Definitely not. 11 minute drive. St Johns is about 27 minutes but still not far. Appreciate the tip on these two!

Pretty sweet. I started a headcover business based on the fact I couldn't find any Hokie themed headcovers that I really liked and weren't gaudy. Those are clean and nice. (And my headcover side hustle is now done...)

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Was looking to try somewhere new around Richmond this weekend. Anyone have experience playing mattaponi springs or the manor in FarmVille? Have seen these pop up but never played either

Over the weekend I upgraded my Ping Si3 to a Cobra King F9 Speedback. I really wanted a Titleist TSi driver but they're so damn expensive. I read nothing but good things about the F9 and Rick Shiels had it in his bag so I figured if it's good enough for him it's good enough for me. I haven't really had a good chance to test it out yet but I am itching to. Anyone else ever use the F9 or any of the Speedback/Speedzone series?

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I upgraded to a new Cobra Speedzone driver this year but I developed the yips before it arrived so I haven't bothered to take it out of the bag very often.

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I haven't played long enough to even experience the yips (hell I'm not even good enough to get the yips yet!) But I'm sure it's annoying! I think you need a Jobu figure, some crystals, incense, and a rabbits paw. I think that'll do it

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It's miserable. I was driving the ball great back in March and April. Then it just cratered. I struggle getting good contact and even then I am battling a push slice. Right now my driver is unplayable so I just play irons.

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I saw where Tiger drove the green on 18 at St. Andrews during his practice round. I remember that hole was the first I aced on the Wii.

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Long weekend of golf. But a blast. The yearly member-guest. We play an alternate shot par 3 on Thursdays. We've never ever ever clicked during the par 3. I think this was like #15 for us, and I want to say we've made 4 birdies total over that timeframe. And 2 of them were last year. Something happened this year and we shot 28, 1 over. I think we tied for low gross, but they do everything net. Still, 4th place out of 80 teams or so isn't bad. Almost paid for the weekend in what we won.

This year they changed the format. Well, not the 5 matches within your flight, but how they doled out the shots. Typically I'm the low or next to low in the flight. But I always got my shots. Thought it was a little weird, and didn't like giving up strokes on the higher handicap holes, but my partner was always one of the higher caps in the flight. Well, this year, they played off low in the match. So over 45 holes I got one single pop. (at least I birdied that hole to go net eagle!) It tightened things up a bit and most of our matches were tooth and nail. We ended up 3rd in our flight just out of the money. But the guys that won our flight won the whole darn thing: a shootout between all 18 flight winners. We actually tied them in our match too. I didn't play terrible, but definitely not where I was the week prior. Oh well, still a fantastic time every year we do it.

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Nice rounds! It is tough to be a low handicapper in a match play format. A problem I don't have. I stay right in the sweet spot for scumbaggery with a 7-9 handicap.
Member guest is the best. Ours is this weekend. We are doing a horserace after the first day. Both players tee off #1 and then you do alternate shot from the best drive. Could be 40 teams easy, all teeing off with 80 balls in play to start. Top 60% handicapped score move on to the next hole so it should be interesting and definitely chaos.

I am up to a 7 or so myself, but have found the "sweet spot for scumbaggery" to be in the lower flights, where a 16-handicapper guest shoots 78.

I'm a 6 but my partner is a 13. So he annoys the crap out of the other teams making 4 for 3.5 on some holes. you can see them just lose a bit of steam as the putt drops.

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Those half-strokes...either a win or a loss.

Holy cow, it must look like a driving range out there with that many in play. We just do a straight up alternate shot. And this year they tweaked it a little with the handicapping of it. Before they would play a par 4, so some teams got a stroke, some didn't. This year teams with ave cap 0-6 played from 200, 7-14 cap played from 180, and above that played from 160. All that and only 2 guys hit the green of 18 teams.

One of the times we did make it to the shootout, a guy dunks one from 165 on us for a 2 for 1 on a par 4. Welp, if I'm going to lose, at that's a heck of a way to do it.

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Our Tournament of Champions, or shoot-out, is on one of our par 4's, but from the fairway from 150 or so out with the pin generally tucked behind water with a trap behind it about 20 feet away. Each player from the two-man team gets to hit the "tee shot", pick the best of the two, then it's alternate shot from there. Maybe 30% of the time it goes past the 1st hole, as someone almost always "birdies" it. It's pretty fun to hit that shot, or sink the putt to win it, when a couple of hundred people are watching, cheering or jeering.

I love our M-G's. I love the competition, the grind, the comradery, the stag night dinners...everything. We have two multi-day M-G's each year, one in July ("the Summer Invitational", aka "the 4-Day" our biggest signature event) and a really fun one in September ("the Fall Invitational", or "3-Day"), where each match is a different format. My partner and I were fortunate enough to win the whole thing last September, including the Tournament of Champions (basically a shoot-out between the flight winners).

This year's 4-Day starts on Wednesday, but sadly I'll miss it for the first time since 2005. My brother, who is now known as "by effing brother", is getting married down in GA on Thursday night. It's the 3rd effing wedding for both of them, but I can't miss it because he asked me to be his best man...again. Why don't they just go to a JP like people normally do on their 3rd wedding? Also missing ZBB at Fenway on Friday night. I am so pissed...

Looking to finally start playing some golf. Will grab some lessons and look for some used left-handed clubs. Live about 10 min from Pinehurst Resort so plenty of golf in the area. No idea about clubs or any of that so we'll see how it goes.

If you don't want to recruit clowns, don't run a clown show.

"I want to punch people from UVA right in the neck." - Colin Cowherd

Tons of great resources online for new players. Have fun!

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Hokie golfer Scott Vincent in the Top 10 at the Open...let's go!!!

Added a new putter, the Mizuno M-craft Type IV (they offer 6 different head shapes each with a different balance). The head is forged "soft" steel with a milled face. Feel is always subjective with a putter but I love this one...I was just plain tired of inserts. I went in thinking I'd buy a Cameron but I like this better. Also, the M-craft putters include a weight kit in the purchase price so you can increase or decrease the stock 355 gram weight to suit green conditions, and/or move the COG a bit toward the heel or toe. I did this at the store to figure out which model would work best for me.

The Type IV is their wide/deep blade with slight offset and moderate toe hang. I used the weight adjustment to move the COG a little closer to the heel to fit my slightly arcing putting stroke. Essentially this looks like a blade putter but feels and plays more like a mallet...very stable throughout the stroke. In addition to the traditional alignment line, Mizuno used the sculpting of the flange to help out as well. The putter frames the target line very well.

If you are looking for a putter with outstanding feel and traditional looks paired with more modern performance, give this one a sniff.

Headed to Lake Lure, NC for the week tomorrow. Playing Apple Valley on Monday, Black Mountain on Tuesday, and Bald Mountain on Wednesday. Black mountain has a ~750 yard par 6. Somewhat of a novelty but I'm sure it will be fun. The courses look pretty tight off the tee but otherwise not terribly challenging. We'll see if that assessment holds true during actual play. Looking forward to a fun week regardless. I'll offer my review when I get back, in case anyone ever ends up in that area.

Cool. I'd like to know about these. Thanks.

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So I survived the three rounds but in all honesty they have me second guessing my commitment to the game. I definitely won't play another round this year, and highly likely I won't feel great about wasting money on it ever again. For context, I usually shoot somewhere in the neighborhood of 88-92 on courses like Auburn Hills and Draper Valley.

Apple Valley was really nice, good condition and for the most part relatively open. The greens were quite challenging, with a lot of speed. I struggled with my irons through the green. Had a birdie and two pars, still shot 103.

Black Mountain was fun, difficult, but not in the greatest shape. Decent for a muni, but still not great. The novelty of the par 6 was the only attraction here (on which I made par). Some holes had very tight fairways, and more often than not you didn't have any places you could bail out. Greens were pretty quick but not as quick as Apple Valley. I again struggled with my irons, but also had nothing off the tee and short game was gone. I shot a 104.

Bald Mountain was probably the nicest, and also most challenging of the three. Greens were not as quick as Apple Valley but still faster than anything I'm used to playing. Most uphill putts required less pace than you thought while reading it. Everything on the front 9 is relatively tight, tighter than my typical courses. The back 9 was even tighter. This course is really well designed, beautiful, with views of Rumbling Bald Mountain and other summits in the area. I just don't have the game to really enjoy it. I also had my head up my ass from the moment I hit my first tee shot, just due to the last two rounds. I shot a 107.

If you are a decent player, or just enjoy getting out even if you shoot 15-20 shots higher than your average, highly recommend these three courses for the quality of the course and the views / surroundings. If you get frustrated and hot headed when you don't play like you know you can play (like me), just go to the lake and drink.

I'm definitely at a crossroads with this stupid game. Give it up entirely, or put in the effort required to become good enough to meet my own expectations. Leaning towards the former.

It's hard to play a course for the first time and expect a good score. You can prep all you want with google maps or flyovers or whatever is available, but until you show up that day, you don't know what you are going to get. I got to play Bull Run CC in Haymarket last week and they have a flyover with voiceover for every hole on their website. I got really excited to play the course and ended up playing the absolute worse I've played in a long time. Luckily it was a scramble, so I still had fun (didn't hurt it was my birthday and got to play golf instead of working). But I know if I went back, I'd probably play better just from having some course knowledge.

Also, if the mental side/worrying about score is an issue, take a look at some golf Youtube channels like GolfSidekick. Learning to take each hole as a separate experience or even making 3 or 6 hole experiences can help. My two best scores in the last year started with being 11 over through 6 and still shooting an 86 at Ashley Plantation and being 12 over through 10 at Botetourt GC and still shooting an 84. The difference in those two rounds versus some others that barely break 100 was giving up on worrying about overall score and just playing the hole in front of me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdP58BT22mI

This is great advice and I realize I need to work on my mentals if I'm going to enjoy the game. The good news is I drove past the Apple Valley course on the way to the store this morning and rather than be disgusted, I really wanted to go play. So I'm sure I'll be back in the saddle again soon, for better or worse. Appreciate the tips!

That is good news; get back on the horse.

I get in trouble when I try to do too many different things during a round...high draw here; low fade there, etc. Then one mistake tends to erode confidence through the bag and one bad shot costs me on two or 3 holes. Conversely, I shoot my best scores when I'm my most boring self, even if the shots aren't the best I can do...mediocre length drive in the fairway; mediocre shot close to the green and out of trouble; a chip and then one or two putts. Most importantly no big numbers.

Played earlier this week with my buddy in Deland. I'd been hitting a nice draw off the tee on the range so I'd thought I'd play it during the round (after all there is great glory in hitting a nice running draw a few steps past your playing partner!). I wound up with 4 double bogeys and a triple, all set up by wayward drives. A simple banana slice in the fairway would have saved a handful of strokes. Oh, and by the time I abandoned the draw, the timing of my normal straight/fade was all screwed up. Wound up with maybe 3 passable tee shots.

I get in trouble when I try to do too many different things during a round...high draw here; low fade there, etc. Then one mistake tends to erode confidence through the bag and one bad shot costs me on two or 3 holes.

This is 100% what happened. The course had so many challenging shots where you had to hit a draw or fade to score well, I tried to do it all. Had I stuck with my stock draw, I think I could have saved 5-10 strokes easy. Lost all confidence and it was off to the races at that point. The draw turned into a snap hook that turned into a push fade. Not fun. Oh well, back to the wide open spaces of my home courses soon enough.

So last week three of us TKP'ers played a round at Eagles Landing in Ocean City MD. We had a great time meeting each other, and a fun time on the course. We followed the round with beers at Sinepuxent Brewery right next door. Pictured left to right are myself, MasScott, MasScott's dad, and VTNerf. We expect to be doing it again next year somewhere in the lower Delaware/OC area sometime during the week of 7/21/23 to 7/29/23 if any other TKP'ers live/work in the area and would like to plan to join us.

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

Had a blast, enjoyed the round, didn't die in the heat, and played the wind on the back nine! Looking forward to an annual thing.

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That's awesome, guys!

Grip question...

Background: the index finger on my left hand (I'm righthanded) is getting a bit stiff and weak...likely arthritis. And for those that follow along, I also play bass guitar; so that finger does a lot of work.

Normally I use the overlap grip, so 4 fingers of the left hand and 3 fingers on the right are on the club. But my right pinky forces my left index finger to bend more around the shaft than is comfortable. I also played with an interlocking grip for years but that was very uncomfortable on the left index finger as well.

At the range today I reversed the position of the two fingers, a reverse overlap similar to a putting grip with all 4 fingers of the right hand on the grip with my left index finger resting comfortably over my right pinky and the remaining 3 fingers of the left hand on the club. Early results are promising, and I actually got a little more lag (I was expecting the opposite).

I'd like to know if anyone has any other ideas for gripping a golf club in an arthritis friendly manner as well as any thoughts on how to address the basic issue of fingers that don't want to bend as much as they used to.

edit: After some internetting, I'm seeing that Steve Jones did this to overcome an injury and actually won a US Open (1996) with what he dubbed the "Reverse Overlap Vardon Jones" grip https://www.harrytaylorgolf.com/blogs/news/reverse-overlap-vardon-jones-...

I'm sure many others have used it as well.

A thing I did to combat arthritis and elbow joint pain from gripping, swinging, and impact shocks was to put the Winn dri tac lt grips on. There's less taper (the LT...) so you don't grip as hard. It's helped me a lot the past few seasons.

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thanks! I'll check it out

Bigger grips, like the jumbo max. Interlock grip would be less bend for that one finger. Even if it feels uncomfortable at first. If your grip fundamentals are good you could probably go 10 finger too.

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Larger grip is a definite possibility. What I'm working on is essentially a 9 finger version of a 10 finger. I'm trying to eliminate my left index finger from the grip, no pressure on it or using it at all; it's just resting on top . Interlocking puts too much lateral strain on the joint (proximal interphalangeal?).

Went to the range again this a.m. Everything went pretty well; pushed my irons and hybrids a bit right. Driver and fairway woods were pretty happy. Need to bandaid or tape the right pinky. Gloved left index was wearing a blister right behind the nail. Or maybe I just switch glove hands.

Here to promote a fellow Hokie doing some cool golf trinkets. Decks 2 divots. He's repurposing old, used, broken skate boards and making bag tags, ball markers, divot tools, and some other one-offs. He's active on insta. And if you have any old boards (or your kids do like mine) drop him and line and send them his way.

Was down in Myrtle this past weekend playing in a 2-man tournament. First day was scramble, second day was 2-man Texas scramble (preferred drive then play your own ball in.) We got paired with a couple of mini-tour guys from the Myrtle area on the first day. Intimidating to say the least. The one guy shot 63 in a Monday qualifier a few years ago. Heritage only has 3 par 5's, and they eagled both on the back 9! (Any eagles won a bottle of rum. There were 4 given out, and they got 2 of them.) We didn't get a bottle of rum. But we did hold our own. They shot 62 and we shot 67. 17th out of 52 teams after day one. Unfortunately (or maybe for the best) we couldn't get the putters heated up in round 2 and were struggling. We were 1 over when the horn blow in the middle of our 16th hole. The rain and lightning never relented and they had to call the tournament. A great experience, fun time, great course, good playing partners, and overall a blast.

I know we have humidity hear on the Delmarva Peninsula. But Pawleys Island/Myrtle Beach in late July is a special place. I had hydralyte packets and Biolyte to drink and still could barely keep up. We went out at 2pm Friday for a shotgun and at 852 Saturday morning with tee times. Our 11th hole on Saturday was probably one of the hottest spots I've experienced on a golf course ever. Back in a corner, no air, direct sun, and just baking. I had to have been a feels-like of 120 on that green. At least I made it, no cramps, and no passing out.

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link?

edit: nevermind

Headed to pawleys in September for the annual golf trip. Playing the plantation, true blue and Caledonia. Any recommendations?

You covered the 3 I would do!!!
Chive Blossom was solid for dinner. BisQit was a great late breakfast.
Akers Golf shop in Murrells has a lot of stuff. (And he's WillPGA on ebay.)
Enjoy!

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Best outing this year. Played Palm Harbor again...4 pars 2 birdies, 11 bogies, and a choke double bogey on the last hole for an 83. No penalty strokes, no 3 putts. Weather was hotter than blazes; drank 88 oz of fluids (no alcohol) and didn't have to pee. Used the reverse overlap grip through the bag seemingly with no issues; left index finger is very happy.

Nice job. 83 sounds like my recent front 9s. Hoping to play Auburn Hills Saturday.

Got through two holes at +2, then the monsoon hit. Raincheck. Going to try to get on tomorrow before the rain hits again, but they're booked through 11:30 so it's highly likely I won't get to play with my BIL from Norway before he has to go back across the pond.

Solid work with a recent grip change like that. Kudos, fellow Hokie linkster!

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I recently received a free set of gently used Mizuno irons. Can't remember the model. I typically extend my clubs +2" due to my height, elevation of hands above the floor, etc. I'm wondering if the lie angle is a huge deal (IE I can extend and regrip clubs myself no problem, but not sure about the lie angle). Thoughts on whether I should worry about that and if yes, how could I go about having that done?

Could be, but with Mizunos they are "soft" enough to bend easily. Ask around some pro shops. They typically have someone they know that does bending and grip work and good point you in the right direction.

But do the grips and extension first, then hit then to see if the toe is digging too much. Thats going to tell you if you need them bent upright.

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I would recommend extending them then do the sharpie test to see if they need to be adjusted.

Thanks! TIL what the sharpie test is.

draw a straight line on a ball with a sharpie. place ball on the ground with line straight up and down, like a flagpole, with the line on the side of the ball where you will make contact. hit the ball, it will leave a line on the clubface. if the line is straight up and down, the lie angle is correct. if the bottom of the line is closer to the heel, it is too upright; if it is toward the toe, it is too flat.

there are videos out there...

Was able to get back out to Auburn Hills this morning. After not hitting any range balls or practice putts, ended up with a 94: parred 10, 11, birdied 13, parred 14, 16, and 18. While it was an up and down round, my 51-43 was much closer to my average so it was fun to get the bad mojo of the NC trip behind me.

Played Draper Valley yesterday. Shot a 90 (43 front, 47 back). Played from the white tees. This year my job and home projects has kept me off the course a lot. Was pretty stoked to play like that with as little time on the course and driving range as I've had recently.
Also sunk a 42 ft putt. Fun day.
Hit 'em straight gents!

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

I've been an IT Director for three years now. Tomorrow is the first day that my job will have a fantastic perk. I received an invite to play in a tournament at Pinehurst from a company that wants to sell us some software. I'm so stoked, can't wait!

Scrambles usually bring out the worst in my game, so it was a nice change of scenery to finally put some decent golf together during the "Swing it to end it" scramble at Hanging Rock yesterday. Had a solo eagle to go along with a couple of solo birdies and the team shot a 61 which is the best score of any team I've played with.

Sounds like you were the ace.

What did everyone shoot this weekend? Weather was absolutely gorgeous in VA.

I went 76 at Spring Creek from combo tees. Would have been one of the best rounds of my life if I had managed to make a couple birds but happy to settle with 15 pars.

Played Charleston National for the first time tough course and it was packed. Shot the worst round I've played in years and broke the wrong side of 100. Lost a lot of strokes not knowing the course a lot of necessary layups and places to run out of room on a fairway. Lost some waiting 5+ minutes between each stroke. Lost most to awful ball striking.

18 took 6 hours and even with me shooting horribly we were on the group in front of us the entire round.

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