Only watched for about 30 minutes. Real time, not game time. But man, the Florida players looked like they had no interest at all in being there when I was watching. And the score was from 7-0 to 17-0, so they were not getting blown out yet, but you could sure see it coming.
Nice season for Oregon State, which has not had a lot of great seasons over the years.
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Not to take anything away from OSU but yeah UF didn't look like they wanted to be there. I know Richardson wasn't playing, but you have Etienne in the backfield and didn't use him enough. All season, everything I have watch UF it just looks like they are wasting talent.
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Not embedding that one since the guy who filmed it from his TV dropped an F bomb or two (don't want any of y'all to get in trouble), but the DE legit didn't even try to rush the QB and it was 10-0. Yikes.
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after watching Florida this season im pretty happy that we didn't get Napier. He might turn it around, but they had all the same problems with bad penalties and such, but they have top 15 talent and didn't play hard.
They had 40 guys hit the portal since Napier came.
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So I looked the guy up, we have one player (Dax) on our team that had a higher 247 ranking. The DE has played 3 years.
Pry had the team ready to beat Liberty, you know JC Price alone would have had them ready for UVA, but you better believe Pry would have had the team amped up to pound some beavers based on Pry's bulge walking off the plane to his first press conference. We all just know it wouldn't have been the flaccid effort that UF gave.
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Warning- one of these commentators is a bit of a dud, too. He talked himself into believing every permutation of a call (catch/drop/fumble), then complained when the refs "confirmed" their call because "you couldn't even see anything on the replay" (you could see the whole thing from multiple angles).
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Boise State and North Texas just had a late hit out of bounds that lead to a fight with no ejections and offsetting personal fouls. So weird. Clear punches thrown.
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Hey UCONN made a bowl after being the laughing stock of college football for over a decade. I am happy for those kids even without knowing what the score is.
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Watching the ecu/coastcar game (on record, yeah that bored)
Got me thinking maybe (just maybe, and I don't want to rehash the whole the last administration coaching wise mismanaged things, but foreshadowing aside:) ecu, odu, and liberty to an extent were all going through good development while we were just living off past glory on the field.
I see a lot of talk about our standards with regard to these programs but very little discussion about how these programs have elevated themselves. Because they have and unfortunately we didn't. I think we are now (or the signals seem to point in that indefinable direction) and hopefully the build isn't protracted and we're able to talk about rubbing elbows with PSU and Tennessee and Klepmson (they seem ripe for a downturn) in short order.
If this is "understood but not talked about" forgive me I've been drinking, just thought it was a worthwhile observation.
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Not much to glean from bowl games these days. Some predictive measures don't incorporate the data from these games because they make them less predictive.
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Was watching on dvr middle of the third qtr when I saw all this madness. Deep into the 4th I thought y'all were rickrolling me.
Crazy end of regulation, the targeting thing (which if they overturned I would have lost all faith in that rule) was awkward at best and took an entire quarters worth of my life.
And yeah what the hell was that?
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Fairly sparse attendance at the Holiday Bowl. Bowl games do not care about attendance anymore. It's maybe two thirds full.
In town visiting my wife's family and thought about going to the game. Tickets through the bowl were never below $100 and secondary market was about $130.
Even with a bowl in San Diego these bowls just have an agreement with sponsors and the schools to buy up the extra tickets.
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Given the sparse attendance you see in any bowl that isn't in the NY6, I'm surprised we don't see bowls in crazy locations like minor league baseball stadiums
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The Kiffin experience is not for the faint of heart. When you ride the lightning it can go both ways. The going for it on 4th all the time stuff is fun, but it'll get you real bad when it goes wrong.
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I tuned into this thread, not realizing that bowl games were being played this year. While I'm optimistic about VT's future trajectory, I'm not sure that I'm back to caring about CFB in general just yet.
Is it only me?
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You haven't missed much. The bowl games have been really lackluster this year. Only 2 or 3 have been interesting at all. A lot of bad match ups. However, the Kansas/Arkansas game was pretty epic. It would have been better if Kansas had pulled it out but damn if it wasn't a entertaining game.
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Not at all. The Hokies' suckitude beat almost all CFB interest out of me. I manufactured a little to root for Hendon's Heisman campaign at UT, but that got extinguished with their USCjr drubbing. Even in (what I thought was) our worst years, I still found myself obsessively watching bowl games in additions to ours but this year I could care less.
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Love this sport, always will. Hokies being 8> wins just makes me pay attention to the national scene more. Got a couple local teams and G5's to root for as well. And always against SEC and Big 10 of course
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Honestly, the Washington-Texas game is the first game I have watched. And I recorded to watch it this morning. Enjoyed the result as I've always liked Washington.
Saw maybe half an hour of Oregon State vs. Florida and probably less than that of Air Force vs. Baylor, but the Huskies game was the first one I actually really watched.
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Could not disagree more. This has been my favorite (regular) season since... 2010? 2007? Here's a bunch of highlights from this season (many copy/pasted and updated from a previous post):
TCU's weekly fourth quarter comebacks were so much fun to watch (especially if you gamble). Max Dougan is amazing.
Deion brought attention to HBCUs for football reasons. For non-football stuff, check out some of the stuff he did for the water crisis in Jackson. Yes, he went to Colorado. Say what you will about Deion, but he is indisputably entertaining.
Also, Jackson State has their first latino drum major, and he is fucking amazing. If you are at all interested in marching band culture within HBCU football programs, you need to research this guy, because he's insanely talented.
The B12 and the Sunbelt proved to be insanely deep and superfun conferences to watch.
We got to see Utah ruin the season of one of the bluest-blooded-bluebloods in the sport's history.
We saw a mediocre SEC team (South Carolina) prevent 2 traditional powers from making the playoff (Tennessee and Clemson).
We got to see the Backyard Brawl again this year. And it was such a wild game.
Troy's turnaround has been insane. Their defense is stellar. Seeing them go head to head against UTSA (another great story) was super cool.
Oregon State's Offense reminds me of Chris Peterson's Boise teams. So much misdirection, really fun to watch. It was awesome watching them beat UF. I'm excited to see how DJU does there.
The complete 180 the Michigan/OSU rival has taken is nice to see
the Michael Pennix redemption story
the super weird season LSU is having
2-loss Bama
Kansas State's season, and the B12 title game
Man, I just think this season has just been so much fun.
EDIT: We just got two amazing semifinals for the first time in the cfp era!!! We got a non-blueblood that started the season unranked upset (aeguably) the bluest blooded program in cfb.
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I need to do a little more research, but as I understand it, TCU players basically fell into one of three buckets:
Highly rated High school recruits
Experienced Transfers
(relatively) low ranked recruits/transfers who are really fast
You get a (big) handful of high school guys who are legit good. You use the portal to source the majority of your starting defense, focusing on experience and scheme fit. And for the rest of your roster, you find guys who might not be well rounded, but excel at the one thing that you build your scheme around.
When asked by Ari Weisserman in the post game presser how he assembled he assembled his roster, Dykes said:
In today's college football world, it is a lot different assembling a team than it used to be. You used to rely on signing the recruiting class, you redshirted the class if your program is good enough to do that, so all the programs that were good historically had an advantage because they didn't have to play freshmen. Those teams went to bowl games, got those 15 extra practices and got a chance to work those young players. There was only one way to acquire players, and that was through traditional high school recruiting.
Well, in today's world, it's, it's a lot different, you know, you can acquire players and a lot of different ways. People don't really redshirt as much anymore. Because if you do redshirt somebody, chances are, they're not going to be there for very long. ... So what happens is, that opens the door for maybe non-traditional programs to be able to acquire players in a different way, which is kind of what we did.
Had we not been able to add those 13 transfers, you know, we would have been in trouble defensively. So our roster is probably constructed a little bit differently than Michigan's is, but I do think that you're going to start to see more teams like TCU, you know, to get on stages like this.
All that said, I don't know how 'easy' this is to replicate, because:
I think we'll see the transfer portal 'calm down' as soon as COVID-eligibility-effected players phase out (both players who got a 6th year, AND players who were recruited during COVID, and were thus unable to do proper due diligence when evaluating schools)
Recruiting services will adjust - they'll get better at ranking transfers and re-ranking players throughout their careers
I think the 12 team playoff will make it even harder for a non-traditional team to make it to the finals.
Whatever the case, this is probably one of the least "talented" team to qualify for a championship game (the other outliers are Oregon in 2010 and VT in 1999), and that should be celebrated.
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I thought it was an interesting game as a sort of pseudo-anxiety bowl. FSU fans are extremely high on their prospects for next year, but closing out this season with a loss to a much maligned OU team when all/most of their dudes played in the bowl game would have soured some of the goodwill and tempered expectations (even though it would have no material impact on their next season). Norvell won over a lot of doubters in the FSU fanbase this year, but that's going to remain a shaky foundation if he doesn't keep moving them forward.
OU was trying to avoid their first losing season in 23(?) years with a first year head coach. Beating FSU and maintaining that streak would have been great vibes for the future. I think most OU fans have a realistic year 1 view of the season, but obviously many are not happy with how their season played out.
In reality, I think OU fans should probably feel pretty good about their performance. This is one of many bowl match-ups that tends to pair teams rather unevenly with 9-3 FSU, arguably the hottest team in the ACC, against 6-6 OU.
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Man, I love bowl season, but I've missed out on it this year. I feel like I put all my media conception time/energy towards following ESD and the transfer portal. The NCAA needs to fix the schedule. It's not that hard:
Late August-December = Regular Season
Mid December-Early January = Post Season
Late January-February = Signing Period/Transfer Period
March-April = Spring Ball
May-July = off season, media season, etc
Late July-August = Fall Camp
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Sounds like you're applying logic. I did something similar at work (analyst for the government) in a meeting and someone actually laughed at me for it and made some comment like "we don't do that here."
But either way, I like your suggestion - it seems like it would make things so much cleaner.
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"Sounds like you're applying logic. I did something similar at work (analyst for the government) in a meeting and someone actually laughed at me for it ..."
This deserves 100 upvotes. Especially if it was the state government in NJ.
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Nah, federal government. This was almost longer, but was afraid it might get to close to politics. Suffice it to say that you generally would NOT use the word "excellence" to apply to stuff the government does very often at all.
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watching the Maryland and NC State game... and once again I have no idea what does and does not constitute targeting. I dont think the refs know either.
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And there have been so many really soft calls that were clearly unintentional and not hard hits that are called. I think they just roll dice or toss a coin sometime for what they call.
And man, these 2 offensives are just painful to watch. Feels like Corn is on both sidelines.
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Driving down 95 yesterday as they headed to the game I can say I was impressed with the wave headed down.
Also, I was annoyed with how many of them were riding in the left lane doing the speed limit. Maybe that is for another discussion for what impeding traffic is.
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Fuck Pat Narduzzi tried really hard for Pitt to lose. One would have thought that he would have kicked the FG instead of going for it on 4th down which led to the turnover on downs which led to the UCLA td.... But they squeaked it out.
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Eh, we need Clemson to be good though. I mean as much as I hate some other teams and coaches, don't we want the ACC to win games, so once we start winning, it means more? Or am I thinking about this wrong and that since we were crap this year, "fuck those guys" applies liberally to all the other ACC teams?
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I'm not so sure about that. The ACC has had some bad years. In 2022 the acc had 9 teams go bowling (tied with the B1G for second behind the SEC [11]). 5 of those teams won. The ACC has gone sub .500 in bowls before.
I think the ACC is a strong candidate for worst P5 league. The coastal division, in particular, has been God awful as long as Tech has been bad (so, about a decade) making it arguably the worst division in the P5. The acc has been bad for a long while. This year wasn't good but I think it falls well short of the worst in history
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How do you come to this conclusion? 9 bowl teams, 8 teams with 8+ wins, 5 ranked teams at the end of the regular season... not saying it was a great season for the ACC, but "worst season in ACC FB history by a good margin???"
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This is no where close to the worst season in the ACC. We were .500 in games against P5 conferences. With a number of good wins and good loses (Pitt vs tenn was closer than it should have been and Illinois beat uva)
2019 only had Clemson ranked at the end of the season
The ACC is 5-3 in bowl games with all 3 losses by one score. Clemson is about to lose to make it 5-4
Big 12 is 1-5
SEC is 1-4 (almost 2-4 with tenn)
Pac12 is 3-2
The ACC is doing ok this year.
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With the best win being Pitt against UCLA? FSU beating a 6-6 Oklahoma with a first year coach maybe? The big teams all ended up the year in sad fashion with Clemson hardly looking a top 10 team, UNC failed to win any of their last few games while NC State proceeded to shit their pants down the stretch before losing maybe the best QB in the league to the portal before the season ended.
ACC bowl season is done by the 30th of Jan while the SEC and other leagues all still have teams in big games regardless of their records. The ACC needs a better showing next year or it will fall into the PAC12 realm of mediocrity.
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You're now complain about scheduling? I guess the ACC should have worked harder to get into that illustrious music city bowl or the ReliaQuest bowl that are played later, that would make all the difference. /S
Clemson has never looked like a top 10 team all season. They have as much talent as anyone and it doesn't show, they were poorly coached in the game and had no idea how to easy a true freshman into his first start. NC State lost their best QB 3 months ago to injury. They have started 4 QBs, to be ranked and do that is very impressive.
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No I'm simply saying that while the ACC is done before other conferences so using the conference records with big games still to play is misleading. What if the SEC loses all the rest of their bowl games but Georgia runs the table and wins the whole thing?
I personally can't think of a year where the ACC looked this paltry at the end of the season and maybe I'm forgetting a year where it was worse but to me it feels like the ACC is at its lowest in recent memory.
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Think it's safe to say the Clemson dynasty is over. They have fallen off significantly and still no real answer at QB. FSU seems to be on the rise again now, and hopefully VT can get some positive momentum going this year with some new offensive weapons.
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FSU is still a shell of what it was, and not a Top 20 or 25 quality team in my opinion, regardless of what the polls indicate. They are a couple beatdowns away from being the same team that was getting beaten up by FCS squads a couple years ago. Clemson is definitely not what they were, and as a whole, the ACC is ripe for the taking. We just need to be able to recruit quality players to keep up with those teams, which generally seems to have been the problem over the last decade. Clemson, FSU, and Miami don't seem to have a tough time bringing in 4- and 5-star players into their program, so amongst those three programs over the last decade or so, Clemson as coached and managed player personnel the best, but even they are having to retool their system as assistants come and go. I seriously hope we can take advantage of this power vacuum situation to get good positioning for a run in the next few years. If the wins come, the recruits will follow.
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I think the playoff had their hand forced in terms of selection given that Bama, Tennessee, and USC all lost twice, but there's no question Bama is one of the four best teams imo. They would smoke TCU. Bama would be favored and I would hammer than bama spread.
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This means nothing to me when the divisions/conferences are so insanely uneven. Two losses was the issue here for Bama imo. We saw Tennessee smoke Clemson without their two best players last night, and Bama absolutely cook the Big12 champ even with a 10 point spot. You look at the SOS and none of the playoff teams are even close to Bama/Tennessee in that area at 14th and 6th, respectively. I don't think Bama's game against KState has factored into the number I pulled from the FPI resume page yet either, so will probably go higher.
The four playoff teams were Michigan 39th, UGA 41st, TCU 32nd, and Ohio State 43rd in SOS.
edit: And to clarify, I think most bowls don't produce much meaningful info, but circumstantially, with zero opt-outs the Bama-KState game was clearly one that had "these teams care about this game" energy, and the Clemson-Tennessee game still valued by the Tennessee players who chose to play in terms of not having been there in awhile, Clemson only had one true opt-out, and they seemed excited for Cade's first start at QB. Then you factor in that Dabo has, for all his faults, instilled a culture where they take every game seriously, even when it's cheesy (like last year's Cheez-It Bowl...)
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I don't know if I would say that the SEC divisions are "insanely uneven", at least not this year.
I would take UGA, Tenn, and South Carolina against any team in the West not named LSU or Alabama, and I don't think LSU was spectacular or anything. Kentucky probably wins more than you would think too against the West slate this year, at least the way they were playing to start the season.
The SEC as a conference, sure that's unbalanced against any other conference. But that shouldn't just get you a ticket to the playoffs. Two losses is two losses. They beat 3 ranked teams this season, and at least one of them, if not 2, will not be ranked at the end of the year. The 3rd was the team they beat today.
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Wah wah. Who cares? This is the most interested I have been in the playoffs since the beginning specifically because Alabama isn't in it. They want to crow how much better the SEC is than everybody else but sometimes that shit won't go your way. I am going to enjoy the Bama tears something fierce when Saban finally retires and they come back to reality.
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I have no dog in this fight, but I was shocked that was called short. He clearly doesn't have possession until his butt and ball are over the plane.
The only explanation for calling him short is to rule him down at the exact instance the ball touched his hands with his knee down short, but he had not caught the ball yet.
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Everyone expected TCU to be utterly overwhelmed in this one, and they're spanking Michigan.
And this is why the subjectivity of inviting teams based on who you think is deserving rather than an objective review of who earned it on the field is so stupid.
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Nah, this is just what can happen in a football game. The scoreline makes sense when you realize Michigan has a possession inside the TCU 3 with 0 points, a possession that made it inside TCU 1 yd line end with 0 points, and a pick six. They aren't dominating the game at all outside of some weird plays that went there way + a pick 6 (great play from that guy). The drive inside the 1 should have been called a TD as it was on the field as well, but oh well. They have less yards per play, less total yards than Michigan.
I think the playoff teams were picked correctly based on the two losses for Bama and others, but also I'm not sure this game is a good supporter of your point about "earning it on the field"
TCU did NOT win their conference and Michigan DID win their conference? So it's still TCU who got in this game subjectively. What point are you making?
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Na, the Big Ten's schedule is 10 ply, OSU gets credit for beating a ND team that looked bad to start the season yet turned it around and that ND bowl team would crush OSU. Outside of OSU and PSU, Michigan played no one, PSU played no one except OSU and Mich. TCU is just reminding Michigan waht real football is.
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this is why the subjectivity of inviting teams based on who you think is deserving rather than an objective review of who earned it on the field is so stupid.
Agree to disagree. Every P5 team controls their own destiny in the start of the season. I like the pageantry; it's one of the reasons I watch cfb every weekend, but might watch 1-2 nfl games all year.
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Big Ten is so overrated. Michigan and OSU big fish in a small pond. UGA will blow the doors off of OSU later, they are like a better UNC. Becoming a soft finesse team
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No, TCU ran the ball to the one yard line, so a running clock. Then lined up super fast and punched the TD in with IIRC 53 secs left in the third quarter.
I get that TCU is an uptempo offense, but had they allowed the clock to run rather than snapping quickly they could have burned another 40 secs and even if not punching it in taken that lead and a second down from inside the one into the fourth quarter.
If a VT team ever ran a play with that much time and then proceeded to give up a touchdown and a fumble to end a quarter, the meltdown on TKP would be epic.
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How about 44 combined points in this third quarter?! The Michigan defense got overaggressive with its blitzes and Emari Demarcado made them pay, speeding past the rush and breaking a 69-yard run to the one-yard line. Max Duggan punched it in again for his second rushing touchdown of the night. Four plays later the Wolverines were in the end zone yet again after another deep throw completed by J.J. McCarthy.
The Horned Frogs went 78 yards in 3 plays – aided by a 69-yard run from Demercado – to go back up 41-22 after the extra point with 49 seconds remaining.
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OSU gets some of the best talent in the country every year. And they hammer on a weak (and generally over inflated) B1G and then they often get stomped by really good teams. They always get the benefit of the doubt from the committee (being placed in the playoffs more than any other team) and have been placed in the playoff at least once or twice when they really shouldn't have ever been in it (like in 2017 when they got blasted 31-0. or 2020 when they lost by 6 to an overrated clemson team that ended up getting throttled in the final).
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well this is an entirely different conversation that you and I very likely disagree on
but I think one reason that OSU is overrated is because they have a ridiculous wealth of talent (I think they are routinely one of the top 2 or 3 talented teams in the country...ever. year.) and they somewhat consistently underachieve. They are rated highly because they have the talent that says they should be that good but then on the field of play they beat a bunch of mediocre teams and then often get rocked by actual competition.
On paper they should be one of the top 3 teams in the country every single year. And that's why they get the rankings they get. But they don't deserve it because they don't really play anyone all season and by simply not losing to way overmatched teams (talent wise) they keep a high ranking even though they do very little to actually prove they are a top team. Then, when given the chance, they fall flat on their face at least 50% of the time.
Personally, I think rankings should be much more about body of work than the talent on your roster. OSU has the talent to beat every team. But their body of work is always unimpressive.
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A comment I heard recently was that OSU is a unique program because their floor is so close to their ceiling. Ryan Day is 48-5 and he's underachieving. It's wild.
Personally, I think rankings should be much more about body of work than the talent on your roster. OSU has the talent to beat every team. But their body of work is always unimpressive.
I agree, but I think osu has a top 6 body of work almost every year (if not higher). Every time they've made the playoff, I thought they were the most deserving team based on resume.
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Every time they've made the playoff, I thought they were the most deserving team based on resume.
this is where you and I have a fundamental disagreement on what constitutes a deserving team for the playoff. So I might be talking to a wall here but I'd say that in the 2017 playoff (following the 2016 season) OSU was not the most deserving team based on resume. OSU was selected OVER Penn State (the team that had actually won the B1G championship) and then promptly got trounced 30-0 by Clemson. I don't know how anyone can say that OSU was more deserving of that playoff spot than Penn State.
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I don't know how anyone can say that OSU was more deserving of that playoff spot than Penn State.
PSU had 2 losses, one of which was a blowout, and the other of which was to an above average ACC team. OSU had 1 loss to PSU, and beat the team that blew out PSU. OSU beat 4 ranked teams (including 3 top 10 teams and #3 Michigan). PSU beat 2 top 10 teams hone of which was OSU). You can't lose 2 games and make the four team playoff.
and then promptly got trounced 30-0 by Clemson
Not a valid argument for saying OSU shouldn't have made the playoff. PSU got beat by USC, a lesser team (or lesser resume at least) than Clemson.
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There resume is basically blank this year, it's just that every other team had red flags. There best win is struggling with a ND team that lost to Marshall and Stanford and struggled with 4 win Cal.
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There wasn't a better choice out there (I know you basically said this)
This is the difference between overrated and underachieving. They are properly ranked each year, but they should have more post season success given the talent on their roster.
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rankings shouldn't be based on talent (though, they are). Because talent factors into rankings, really talented teams get over-inflated rankings to begin with (like OSU) and the only reason rankings change is results on the field (and they change, sometimes drastically, every week). OSU, in part, is a victim of being in a weak league. Outside of Michigan, who, until recently has been pretty bad for a while, there aren't any teams in that league that really provide any real barometer for OSU. They kind of get lulled to sleep by cruising through an easy schedule every year. And because OSU has such an inflated ranking each year, when a team beats them, or loses a close game to them that other team goes launching up the rankings. Then you end up with a bunch of overrated B1G teams because a team (OSU) that should be good on paper struggled with a team or two that is decent but not great.
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I (strongly) agree. To be clear, I'm talking about CFP rankings, not recruiting (Not sure if that was unclear)
there aren't any teams in that league that really provide any real barometer for OSU. They kind of get lulled to sleep by cruising through an easy schedule every year
So, this is something I've changed my opinion on over the years, mostly after reading (a lot of) Bill Connelly. Margin of victory, combined with strength of opponents, should be used when comparing/ranking teams. So seeing OSU kick the shit out of some okay-decent teams is actually very impressive.
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well, all this talk of OSU being overrated and they're putting egg on my face. They are taking it to UGA right now. I just hope the Final isn't a blowout.
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Yeah it's only going to get worse with the playoff expansion and conference expansion there is absolutely zero reason for good teams to schedule any worth while teams. Currently all 10+ win P5 teams rank higher than all less than 10 win teams. Only one 10 win team wouldn't make it. So PSU makes it with losing to the only good teams it played. Why would they ever schedule anyone out of conference if 10 wins is basically all that matters.
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conference expansion is probably dooming the sport. College football was great when there were regional rivalries. But with teams from Texas and Oklahoma in the SEC and teams from California in the B1G it's just losing it's luster
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I think it's more than the regional rivalries. For a brief period we had a bunch of big time OOC games that didn't really exist back in the day. OSU vs Texas, Bama v Texas, USC v Texas, man Texas is willing to play anyone.
But will Texas keep that up in the SEC? There's no reason to, as they can sell A&M and Bama tickets every year.
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Basically echoing some of the comments below. And this goes a long way back. They usually recruit well and beat up on an overrated Big Ten. They got lucky and stole a title from Miami in 2002 and then were promptly poll darlings from then on, going to two back to back title games in 06 and 07 and getting stomped. They usually look great on paper and are always high in the preseason polls which influences the eventual CFP rankings. So even if they lose a game they're usually always hanging around the top four. And one of the most if not the most obnoxious fan base in the entire country.
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I am surprised TCU won. And I am stunned - and I mean STUNNED - that the refs did not give Michigan the targeting penalty. I mean what is called seems almost random and that they did not try to give Michigan another shot amazed me. Pleased about it, but still amazed.
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But since they expanded the definition of targeting to include what used to be called spearing, they could have ejected the TCU player and I wouldn't have argued.
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Everything was crazy about that game. Even the sidelines... Apparently RG3's wife went into labor in the middle of the game and he stopped mid comment and hauled ass out.
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I was rooting for TCU and the Asteroid. I think it's unlikely I'll get both but c'est la vie. I'm happy TCU will be in the final and I hope they beat whoever they play. I hate both UGA and OSU but I think I hate OSU more (mostly because they are always overrated)...so go dawgz, I guess. I just kinda hope that it's not a blowout one way or the other. It would be nice to see a playoff with no blowouts for once.
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Well that's a take for sure. I don't root for UGA, but have had worse experiences with OSU fans. Specifically seeing full glass beer bottles being chucked during tailgates in Columbus. Guess it is all about experiences.
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I can't tell if he's really a fan or ABC is just feeding him a line to sound like he knows something/anything about football, but either way that's enough to move this game from asteroid to rooting for the fightin' pot leaf stickers for me.
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Georgia isn't winning this. They badly needed a TD there...FGs aren't gonna do. I think OSU scores on their next possession and puts this thing away for good.
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Honestly thought that they should have run on 3rd. Just try and pick up 5 yards or so and make it a more makeable kick. Granted, that kick would not have been good, but really wonder what would have happened if it was a 45 yard kick instead of 50. Guess we'll never know.
But I hope TCU wins it all as well.
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Happy that neither of these games was a blowout. Very shocked that Georgia gave up as much as they did, but I guess that's a credit to OSU for game planning. A little disappointed we didn't end up with a UM/OSU rematch for the championship game.
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The alt telecast of the playoff games on ESPN 2 were highly entertaining, especially the TCU/Mich game with Taylor Lewan going nuts and RG3 answering his phone during the telecast to find out his wife is in labor and then running off the field
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What a fun night of games to end on one hell of a choke job. I hope Ruggles is alright this morning.
Also, the timing of the kick was just insane. aOSU's run struck midnight. Literally.
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I can be watching a game - doesn't matter the sport - between two teams with no ostensible rooting interest on my end, and always end up preferring one over the other.
Every time, every single time, the team I prefer loses. It's incredibly frustrating.
The only reason TCU won, was because I didn't know the game was happening. I won't be accepting more reasonable explanations.
Gonna go ahead and ignore all information about when the MNC is. I'm doing my part.
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Really cool to see Miss St get the win today for Leach. Will Rogers, clearly choked up and previously crying, post-game interview had me getting choked up myself.
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I love it. USC authors posted articles that USC should have been in the playoffs based on the fact that both Big Ten teams lost. They just got pantzed in the Cotton Bowl by Tulane!
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it's not like this every year. Remember the year when we played Cincy and it was like one of 3 games with a lead change and the only one with multiple lead changes. But this has been a great year!
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I hadn't really thought about it until now, but going back and looking at the final scores and there have been a lot of one-score games this season. Only 7 games (including LSU today) where the victor won by 20+, out of 40 (i think) games completed so far), and 22 decided by one score.
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Just to add to this 57% of games were 1 score games, which doesn't count the one game that scored one the last play to make it a two score game.
The OSU-UF game was the 3rd largest blowout (LSU-Purdue, Memphis-Utah St), and I throughly enjoyed watching Florida suck, so even the bad games were fun to watch.
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Always great to see Lincoln Riley's Hollywood, buying up players, super soft program get humbled. I have lost all respect for Riley since he went to USC.
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I gotta say, I'm going to miss the rose bowl, the half time show is the bands. The national anthem was Utah's band. This is college football, this is great even if one band wants to play green day for the half time show (nothing against Green Day, it just doesn't translate to tubas very well)
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Where is the Rose Bowl going? It may not be the traditional Big Ten/Pac 12 matchup in the new playoff but the game will still be there and be high profile.
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This is the last year as a bowl game. Next year it's the site for a semifinal game so no rose bowl trophy awarded ever again. It will no longer be run by the rose bowl committee, it will be ran by the playoff committee.
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They have decided to stop with the playoff expansion.
EDIT: there ia talk about hosting the Rose Bowl every year that the stadium doesn't have a game on the 1st so that they can keep tradition but that has not been announced.
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I can't find anything that says they are going to retire the Rose Bowl trophy, do you have a link? Are the other major bowls going to also stop awarding their trophies like the Sugar and Orange? I'm kind of confused I thought the Rose Bowl would always be a playoff game, they will just rotate among the NY6 each year which games are quarterfinals and semifinals. The only thing I could find was no more Big Ten/Pac 12 traditional matchup and no guarantee the rose bowl would be on Jan 1 every year.
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I didn't see anything about them doing away with the bowl trophy in there though. It seems like the Rose Bowl committee wanted to ability to host a traditional Big Ten/Pac 12 bowl in addition to a playoff game in years they weren't a semifinal but the CFP said no. I'm sure that would be weird to make that concession for only one of the big bowls. This seems like a bit of drama over just the traditional conference affiliations and time slot.
They still all award the trophy for semifinal games, I don't see why all the NY6 bowls would retire their trophies. It's still that bowl game, it's just they are part of an even bigger playoff now.
I think it's kind of cool because you have an opportunity to play in two major bowls in a year. It's almost like the NY6 bowls will be majors like in the PGA. Each bowl is part of a bigger playoff, but that individual bowl is still a two team championship with a trophy up for grabs. I think it will be cool for way more teams to now be able to go to the Rose and have the opportunity to put that trophy in the case.
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Jackson State is down to NC Central in the 4th quarter, pretty big upset if they pull this off. (As I type this, Jackson State scores to pull ahead 27-26 with 11:25 left in the game).
At 4 pm the South Dakota State Jackrabbits (-4) face off against the Montana State Bobcats to see who plays NDSU in the FCS Final.
#14 Oregon State and Florida is underway and scoreless. Four more bowl games tonight.
louisville beat cincinnati, 24-7 in the fenway bowl.
Louisville players woke up with a "morning middle finger (wood)" aimed right at Scott Satterfield. Four turnovers and still spanked that ass.
Jackson State got a touchdown from Justin Hunter as time expires. 34-34, going to OT!
North Carolina Central pulls it out. Their RB had a NASTY stiff arm sending a Jackson State player to the shadow realm.
Both of yesterday's games came down to a last minute play.
Last minute FG for Florida to save their scoring streak. They better hit that portal hard or it's going to be a long 6 games for Napier next season.
Only watched for about 30 minutes. Real time, not game time. But man, the Florida players looked like they had no interest at all in being there when I was watching. And the score was from 7-0 to 17-0, so they were not getting blown out yet, but you could sure see it coming.
Nice season for Oregon State, which has not had a lot of great seasons over the years.
Not to take anything away from OSU but yeah UF didn't look like they wanted to be there. I know Richardson wasn't playing, but you have Etienne in the backfield and didn't use him enough. All season, everything I have watch UF it just looks like they are wasting talent.
Florida DE's effort
Not embedding that one since the guy who filmed it from his TV dropped an F bomb or two (don't want any of y'all to get in trouble), but the DE legit didn't even try to rush the QB and it was 10-0. Yikes.
after watching Florida this season im pretty happy that we didn't get Napier. He might turn it around, but they had all the same problems with bad penalties and such, but they have top 15 talent and didn't play hard.
They had 40 guys hit the portal since Napier came.
Wow that's Marcus Davis blocking levels of effort.
So I looked the guy up, we have one player (Dax) on our team that had a higher 247 ranking. The DE has played 3 years.
Pry had the team ready to beat Liberty, you know JC Price alone would have had them ready for UVA, but you better believe Pry would have had the team amped up to pound some beavers based on Pry's bulge walking off the plane to his first press conference. We all just know it wouldn't have been the flaccid effort that UF gave.
Fresno State up 16-0 on Washington State halfway through the 3rd...
Damn Florida almost got bumped off the scoring streak list. So close
Today's bowl games have been less than exciting.
The night games are going well.
Rice & USM are tied, and BYU is hanging around with SMU (for now).
Unfortunately Boise is almost a 2 TD favorite over North Texas.
thanks for the reminder about the Rice-USM game. I was struggling through BYU-SMU and Brock Osweiler's commentary
Brock Lobster is doing commentary now?
well, he is talking a lot anyway. Commentary may be overselling it
Rock Lobster...
Warning- one of these commentators is a bit of a dud, too. He talked himself into believing every permutation of a call (catch/drop/fumble), then complained when the refs "confirmed" their call because "you couldn't even see anything on the replay" (you could see the whole thing from multiple angles).
True they are much better than the early games.
Boise State and North Texas just had a late hit out of bounds that lead to a fight with no ejections and offsetting personal fouls. So weird. Clear punches thrown.
I'm currently laid up at home with norovirus, watching UCONN/Marshall. I can't tell if this game is making me feel better or worse.
Hey UCONN made a bowl after being the laughing stock of college football for over a decade. I am happy for those kids even without knowing what the score is.
EMU blocked an extra point, took it to the house and completely flipped the game on San Jose State.
And in the late game yesterday, poor liberty biberty lost!
Watching the ecu/coastcar game (on record, yeah that bored)
Got me thinking maybe (just maybe, and I don't want to rehash the whole the last administration coaching wise mismanaged things, but foreshadowing aside:) ecu, odu, and liberty to an extent were all going through good development while we were just living off past glory on the field.
I see a lot of talk about our standards with regard to these programs but very little discussion about how these programs have elevated themselves. Because they have and unfortunately we didn't. I think we are now (or the signals seem to point in that indefinable direction) and hopefully the build isn't protracted and we're able to talk about rubbing elbows with PSU and Tennessee and Klepmson (they seem ripe for a downturn) in short order.
If this is "understood but not talked about" forgive me I've been drinking, just thought it was a worthwhile observation.
Do my eyes deceive me or is the ACC 3-0 in bowl games? Don't see North Carolina beating Oregon, but who would have thought the ACC would be 3-0?
I mean who would have thought duke would look that good in a bowl game either
Not much to glean from bowl games these days. Some predictive measures don't incorporate the data from these games because they make them less predictive.
Arkansas fans are going to have permanent bowl game PTSD after this. This is probably worse than their collapse against us
Ho-ly shit! This game is nuts
I'm glad I kept it on as background noise while I was playing Fallen Order.
OT #2 or as the announcers so eloquently stated "another second overtime"
OMG why would you run that play, Kansas? Why would you take the ball out of Daniel's hands the way he was playing?!?
Yiiiiiiikes that's a bad coaching decision
Was watching on dvr middle of the third qtr when I saw all this madness. Deep into the 4th I thought y'all were rickrolling me.
Crazy end of regulation, the targeting thing (which if they overturned I would have lost all faith in that rule) was awkward at best and took an entire quarters worth of my life.
And yeah what the hell was that?
Not gonna lie, that was a great interception by UNC
Fairly sparse attendance at the Holiday Bowl. Bowl games do not care about attendance anymore. It's maybe two thirds full.
In town visiting my wife's family and thought about going to the game. Tickets through the bowl were never below $100 and secondary market was about $130.
Even with a bowl in San Diego these bowls just have an agreement with sponsors and the schools to buy up the extra tickets.
Given the sparse attendance you see in any bowl that isn't in the NY6, I'm surprised we don't see bowls in crazy locations like minor league baseball stadiums
Off-brand-Kansas held off the regular Kansas.
That game was thrilling.
Thank god the ESPN app tipped me off on that on side kick
Oregon gave me a late Christmas present. Love seeing UNCheat lose.
I'd have preferred the upset, even if it's UNC doing it.
I root for chaos, and the ACC. In that order.
I usually chose chaos as well but I've had to deal with too many obnoxious UNCheat fans to ever pull for them.
You were definitely going for chaos when we were watching the Liberty Bowl.
The Kiffin experience is not for the faint of heart. When you ride the lightning it can go both ways. The going for it on 4th all the time stuff is fun, but it'll get you real bad when it goes wrong.
I tuned into this thread, not realizing that bowl games were being played this year. While I'm optimistic about VT's future trajectory, I'm not sure that I'm back to caring about CFB in general just yet.
Is it only me?
No
You haven't missed much. The bowl games have been really lackluster this year. Only 2 or 3 have been interesting at all. A lot of bad match ups. However, the Kansas/Arkansas game was pretty epic. It would have been better if Kansas had pulled it out but damn if it wasn't a entertaining game.
Not at all. The Hokies' suckitude beat almost all CFB interest out of me. I manufactured a little to root for Hendon's Heisman campaign at UT, but that got extinguished with their USCjr drubbing. Even in (what I thought was) our worst years, I still found myself obsessively watching bowl games in additions to ours but this year I could care less.
Love this sport, always will. Hokies being 8> wins just makes me pay attention to the national scene more. Got a couple local teams and G5's to root for as well. And always against SEC and Big 10 of course
Honestly, the Washington-Texas game is the first game I have watched. And I recorded to watch it this morning. Enjoyed the result as I've always liked Washington.
Saw maybe half an hour of Oregon State vs. Florida and probably less than that of Air Force vs. Baylor, but the Huskies game was the first one I actually really watched.
not at all my guy. Not at all.
Absolutely.
I haven't watched any bowls, or really even been curious. I've just tuned them all out.
Edit: OK, some of the games this weekend have been pretty good. (saw Notre Dame vs South Carolina) Will likely watch others if they look competitive.
Could not disagree more. This has been my favorite (regular) season since... 2010? 2007? Here's a bunch of highlights from this season (many copy/pasted and updated from a previous post):
Also, Jackson State has their first latino drum major, and he is fucking amazing. If you are at all interested in marching band culture within HBCU football programs, you need to research this guy, because he's insanely talented.
Man, I just think this season has just been so much fun.
EDIT: We just got two amazing semifinals for the first time in the cfp era!!! We got a non-blueblood that started the season unranked upset (aeguably) the bluest blooded program in cfb.
I had other things happening, so I didn't see the playoffs, but it does sound like those games were fun to watch.
Do I care about Georgia or TCU? Not even a little bit. Good on TCU to challenge the top powers of football.
The post season was fun at the end, but I'd be a lot more entertained if VT were a part of it all.
If you only care about the VT angle, you should be following TCU. TCU has a player acquisition strategy that VT could plausibly emulate.
Sounds reasonable enough.
I'm just a bit apathetic about football at the moment.
I doubt it will last forever, but I'm pretty ambivalent. TCU? Sure. I'll take the underdog.
I need to do a little more research, but as I understand it, TCU players basically fell into one of three buckets:
You get a (big) handful of high school guys who are legit good. You use the portal to source the majority of your starting defense, focusing on experience and scheme fit. And for the rest of your roster, you find guys who might not be well rounded, but excel at the one thing that you build your scheme around.
When asked by Ari Weisserman in the post game presser how he assembled he assembled his roster, Dykes said:
All that said, I don't know how 'easy' this is to replicate, because:
Whatever the case, this is probably one of the least "talented" team to qualify for a championship game (the other outliers are Oregon in 2010 and VT in 1999), and that should be celebrated.
Whoa, so FSU twitter might be wrong about them being playoff bound next year?? 😱
Seems like defense is optional in the 4th quarter in the Cheez It Bowl
It annoys me that fsu won. Am I alone there?
Conference priiiiiiiiiiiide, Pawwwwwwl.
Pride is one of the seven deadlies
I thought it was an interesting game as a sort of pseudo-anxiety bowl. FSU fans are extremely high on their prospects for next year, but closing out this season with a loss to a much maligned OU team when all/most of their dudes played in the bowl game would have soured some of the goodwill and tempered expectations (even though it would have no material impact on their next season). Norvell won over a lot of doubters in the FSU fanbase this year, but that's going to remain a shaky foundation if he doesn't keep moving them forward.
OU was trying to avoid their first losing season in 23(?) years with a first year head coach. Beating FSU and maintaining that streak would have been great vibes for the future. I think most OU fans have a realistic year 1 view of the season, but obviously many are not happy with how their season played out.
In reality, I think OU fans should probably feel pretty good about their performance. This is one of many bowl match-ups that tends to pair teams rather unevenly with 9-3 FSU, arguably the hottest team in the ACC, against 6-6 OU.
Man, I love bowl season, but I've missed out on it this year. I feel like I put all my media conception time/energy towards following ESD and the transfer portal. The NCAA needs to fix the schedule. It's not that hard:
Sounds like you're applying logic. I did something similar at work (analyst for the government) in a meeting and someone actually laughed at me for it and made some comment like "we don't do that here."
But either way, I like your suggestion - it seems like it would make things so much cleaner.
"Sounds like you're applying logic. I did something similar at work (analyst for the government) in a meeting and someone actually laughed at me for it ..."
This deserves 100 upvotes. Especially if it was the state government in NJ.
Nah, federal government. This was almost longer, but was afraid it might get to close to politics. Suffice it to say that you generally would NOT use the word "excellence" to apply to stuff the government does very often at all.
watching the Maryland and NC State game... and once again I have no idea what does and does not constitute targeting. I dont think the refs know either.
I think it was because the RB lowered his head as well meaning that the defender was going at the guys midsection as a normal tackle...
But that's never consistently called either. Half the time, it's still targeting and half the time they reverse the call.
And there have been so many really soft calls that were clearly unintentional and not hard hits that are called. I think they just roll dice or toss a coin sometime for what they call.
And man, these 2 offensives are just painful to watch. Feels like Corn is on both sidelines.
Beamerball alive and well for South Carolina. Special teams TD followed by a pick six.
For some reason it kind of hurts to see Beamer Ball shirts in their colors
The USCe turnout in the stadium is impressive. About 2/3 Gamecocks fans.
Driving down 95 yesterday as they headed to the game I can say I was impressed with the wave headed down.
Also, I was annoyed with how many of them were riding in the left lane doing the speed limit. Maybe that is for another discussion for what impeding traffic is.
The stretch of 95 two lanes in SC is hell. Was up in Charleston area Wednesday and drove down and it took me 5 hours.
Been there and I just ask my wife to sleep as I grind my teeth and mumble.
More beamerball. 100 yd pick six to save usc for now. Wow!
Dude is #25.....
Fuck Pat Narduzzi tried really hard for Pitt to lose. One would have thought that he would have kicked the FG instead of going for it on 4th down which led to the turnover on downs which led to the UCLA td.... But they squeaked it out.
Narduzzi did everything possible to blow this game. Pitt's QB prevented Narduzzi from looking like a complete moron.
Beamerball continues. ND running it down USCe's throat and then 100 yard pick 6 by a guy wearing 25. tied 38-38
It's too bad nd won. Why is it that all the teams I hate are good and the team I love sucks? I hate sports sometimes
I wish both of these teams in orange could lose this game somehow.
Woohoohoo. Three missed field goals. Dabo gonna be pissed
Guess he didn't give enough in the offering plate this week
Bruh
You miss the Dabo name image and likeness comments this week?
No
Dabo's NIL take
I just don't know what to say to that so with how close this can get to CGLs I'm just going to say this.
Didn't they have a guy that like to stick his finger up opponents bums against their will?
I didn't miss it lol
I lost it laughing ☠️
This might be my favorite comment you've ever made, well done
3 missed all year and then 3 missed tonight, crazy stuff
Eh, we need Clemson to be good though. I mean as much as I hate some other teams and coaches, don't we want the ACC to win games, so once we start winning, it means more? Or am I thinking about this wrong and that since we were crap this year, "fuck those guys" applies liberally to all the other ACC teams?
So whose it gonna be tomorrow? I'm thinking Michigan runs away from TCU and Ohio State beats UGA by 7 or so.
I think osu is waaay overrated and uga will blast them. I think Michigan will win by 10 or more
UGA by 28
Clemson has run close to 50 plays on the Tennessee side of the field has zero TD's.
This is the worst season in ACC FB history by a good margin. Embarrassing stuff this year as a whole conference.
I'm not so sure about that. The ACC has had some bad years. In 2022 the acc had 9 teams go bowling (tied with the B1G for second behind the SEC [11]). 5 of those teams won. The ACC has gone sub .500 in bowls before.
I think the ACC is a strong candidate for worst P5 league. The coastal division, in particular, has been God awful as long as Tech has been bad (so, about a decade) making it arguably the worst division in the P5. The acc has been bad for a long while. This year wasn't good but I think it falls well short of the worst in history
How do you come to this conclusion? 9 bowl teams, 8 teams with 8+ wins, 5 ranked teams at the end of the regular season... not saying it was a great season for the ACC, but "worst season in ACC FB history by a good margin???"
This is no where close to the worst season in the ACC. We were .500 in games against P5 conferences. With a number of good wins and good loses (Pitt vs tenn was closer than it should have been and Illinois beat uva)
2019 only had Clemson ranked at the end of the season
The ACC is 5-3 in bowl games with all 3 losses by one score. Clemson is about to lose to make it 5-4
Big 12 is 1-5
SEC is 1-4 (almost 2-4 with tenn)
Pac12 is 3-2
The ACC is doing ok this year.
With the best win being Pitt against UCLA? FSU beating a 6-6 Oklahoma with a first year coach maybe? The big teams all ended up the year in sad fashion with Clemson hardly looking a top 10 team, UNC failed to win any of their last few games while NC State proceeded to shit their pants down the stretch before losing maybe the best QB in the league to the portal before the season ended.
ACC bowl season is done by the 30th of Jan while the SEC and other leagues all still have teams in big games regardless of their records. The ACC needs a better showing next year or it will fall into the PAC12 realm of mediocrity.
You're now complain about scheduling? I guess the ACC should have worked harder to get into that illustrious music city bowl or the ReliaQuest bowl that are played later, that would make all the difference. /S
Clemson has never looked like a top 10 team all season. They have as much talent as anyone and it doesn't show, they were poorly coached in the game and had no idea how to easy a true freshman into his first start. NC State lost their best QB 3 months ago to injury. They have started 4 QBs, to be ranked and do that is very impressive.
No I'm simply saying that while the ACC is done before other conferences so using the conference records with big games still to play is misleading. What if the SEC loses all the rest of their bowl games but Georgia runs the table and wins the whole thing?
I personally can't think of a year where the ACC looked this paltry at the end of the season and maybe I'm forgetting a year where it was worse but to me it feels like the ACC is at its lowest in recent memory.
In 2019 Clemson was the only acc team ranked at years' end. Only 5 teams were ranked at any point during the season. 6 teams finished <.500.
Um we were 2-4 in bowls last year.
Paging HOAT: Clemson fans are wondering how they lost the game by 17 points despite winning ToP by 15 minutes...
At least we were spared from watching Georgia obliterate Clemson
Thanks South Carolina
Think it's safe to say the Clemson dynasty is over. They have fallen off significantly and still no real answer at QB. FSU seems to be on the rise again now, and hopefully VT can get some positive momentum going this year with some new offensive weapons.
FSU is still a shell of what it was, and not a Top 20 or 25 quality team in my opinion, regardless of what the polls indicate. They are a couple beatdowns away from being the same team that was getting beaten up by FCS squads a couple years ago. Clemson is definitely not what they were, and as a whole, the ACC is ripe for the taking. We just need to be able to recruit quality players to keep up with those teams, which generally seems to have been the problem over the last decade. Clemson, FSU, and Miami don't seem to have a tough time bringing in 4- and 5-star players into their program, so amongst those three programs over the last decade or so, Clemson as coached and managed player personnel the best, but even they are having to retool their system as assistants come and go. I seriously hope we can take advantage of this power vacuum situation to get good positioning for a run in the next few years. If the wins come, the recruits will follow.
Yeah FSU is solid but they are nowhere near elite as they were in their heyday. The conference is definitely ripe for the taking.
Now we get a whole off-season of Bama fans crying about not making it into the playoffs
I think the playoff had their hand forced in terms of selection given that Bama, Tennessee, and USC all lost twice, but there's no question Bama is one of the four best teams imo. They would smoke TCU. Bama would be favored and I would hammer than bama spread.
I agree on all counts.
I have zero sympathies to a team who didn't win their division missing the 4 team playoff.
This means nothing to me when the divisions/conferences are so insanely uneven. Two losses was the issue here for Bama imo. We saw Tennessee smoke Clemson without their two best players last night, and Bama absolutely cook the Big12 champ even with a 10 point spot. You look at the SOS and none of the playoff teams are even close to Bama/Tennessee in that area at 14th and 6th, respectively. I don't think Bama's game against KState has factored into the number I pulled from the FPI resume page yet either, so will probably go higher.
The four playoff teams were Michigan 39th, UGA 41st, TCU 32nd, and Ohio State 43rd in SOS.
edit: And to clarify, I think most bowls don't produce much meaningful info, but circumstantially, with zero opt-outs the Bama-KState game was clearly one that had "these teams care about this game" energy, and the Clemson-Tennessee game still valued by the Tennessee players who chose to play in terms of not having been there in awhile, Clemson only had one true opt-out, and they seemed excited for Cade's first start at QB. Then you factor in that Dabo has, for all his faults, instilled a culture where they take every game seriously, even when it's cheesy (like last year's Cheez-It Bowl...)
I don't know if I would say that the SEC divisions are "insanely uneven", at least not this year.
I would take UGA, Tenn, and South Carolina against any team in the West not named LSU or Alabama, and I don't think LSU was spectacular or anything. Kentucky probably wins more than you would think too against the West slate this year, at least the way they were playing to start the season.
The SEC as a conference, sure that's unbalanced against any other conference. But that shouldn't just get you a ticket to the playoffs. Two losses is two losses. They beat 3 ranked teams this season, and at least one of them, if not 2, will not be ranked at the end of the year. The 3rd was the team they beat today.
Wah wah. Who cares? This is the most interested I have been in the playoffs since the beginning specifically because Alabama isn't in it. They want to crow how much better the SEC is than everybody else but sometimes that shit won't go your way. I am going to enjoy the Bama tears something fierce when Saban finally retires and they come back to reality.
Go TCU!!
It's still early, but so far TCU's defense has shown up like they have something to prove today.
How about the refs reviewing that TD catch? Sucks doesn't it Michigan?
I have no dog in this fight, but I was shocked that was called short. He clearly doesn't have possession until his butt and ball are over the plane.
The only explanation for calling him short is to rule him down at the exact instance the ball touched his hands with his knee down short, but he had not caught the ball yet.
I was pretty surprised too. A bad call IMO, but you know, Danny Coale caught that ball.
There refs are trying to make it up to them by a couple of bad calls
that Roughing The Passer was soft
Also that interception was PI, that defender had the reciever hooked
This TCU Michigan game is nothing like I expected. Dykes has done an incredible job this year.
Everyone expected TCU to be utterly overwhelmed in this one, and they're spanking Michigan.
And this is why the subjectivity of inviting teams based on who you think is deserving rather than an objective review of who earned it on the field is so stupid.
Nah, this is just what can happen in a football game. The scoreline makes sense when you realize Michigan has a possession inside the TCU 3 with 0 points, a possession that made it inside TCU 1 yd line end with 0 points, and a pick six. They aren't dominating the game at all outside of some weird plays that went there way + a pick 6 (great play from that guy). The drive inside the 1 should have been called a TD as it was on the field as well, but oh well. They have less yards per play, less total yards than Michigan.
I think the playoff teams were picked correctly based on the two losses for Bama and others, but also I'm not sure this game is a good supporter of your point about "earning it on the field"
TCU did NOT win their conference and Michigan DID win their conference? So it's still TCU who got in this game subjectively. What point are you making?
Na, the Big Ten's schedule is 10 ply, OSU gets credit for beating a ND team that looked bad to start the season yet turned it around and that ND bowl team would crush OSU. Outside of OSU and PSU, Michigan played no one, PSU played no one except OSU and Mich. TCU is just reminding Michigan waht real football is.
Agree to disagree. Every P5 team controls their own destiny in the start of the season. I like the pageantry; it's one of the reasons I watch cfb every weekend, but might watch 1-2 nfl games all year.
Michigan getting screwed by a TD review in a major bowl?
Ya hate to see it
Danny Coale's catch was way more obvious than that touchdown(or lack thereof)
My first thought was "welcome to karma"....and we all know what karma is.
Big Ten is so overrated. Michigan and OSU big fish in a small pond. UGA will blow the doors off of OSU later, they are like a better UNC. Becoming a soft finesse team
Don't look now but TCU might blow this
And counterpunch
This could be a fun 4th quarter
And that might be the knockout punch by TCU. Yeesh
Or not
Yep, the end of this game is gonna be nuts
Lol. This has been a game that you just can't call. It won't be over till it's over.
re: Michigan throwing another pick six
Boy, this escalated quickly.
5 TDs in 6:38
Edit: 6
Why in the hell did TCU rush to score when they could have run out the third quarter? Dumb!
Lol, whut?
It was first down with a stopped clock. Did you want them to take a knee?
The clock would have started once the sticks were moved. They could have let the clock run and still gotten the TD with 15 secs or so left.
No need to rush to the line there at all.
No, I'm not suggesting they take a knee.
Oh you're talking about Michigan.
Even still, what benefit is it to them to take longer than necessary? They are behind
No, TCU ran the ball to the one yard line, so a running clock. Then lined up super fast and punched the TD in with IIRC 53 secs left in the third quarter.
I get that TCU is an uptempo offense, but had they allowed the clock to run rather than snapping quickly they could have burned another 40 secs and even if not punching it in taken that lead and a second down from inside the one into the fourth quarter.
If a VT team ever ran a play with that much time and then proceeded to give up a touchdown and a fumble to end a quarter, the meltdown on TKP would be epic.
You are talking about a different game.
Michigan scored with 9 seconds left in the 3rd and kicked off to TCU.
TCU fumbled the ball on 1st and 10 from their 25 with 3 seconds left on a stopped clock. They had to run a play
Ok, bye now.
How about 44 combined points in this third quarter?! The Michigan defense got overaggressive with its blitzes and Emari Demarcado made them pay, speeding past the rush and breaking a 69-yard run to the one-yard line. Max Duggan punched it in again for his second rushing touchdown of the night. Four plays later the Wolverines were in the end zone yet again after another deep throw completed by J.J. McCarthy.
The Horned Frogs went 78 yards in 3 plays – aided by a 69-yard run from Demercado – to go back up 41-22 after the extra point with 49 seconds remaining.
I think he's down on the half yard line.
Ps I feel bad for the poor TCU player's head there, especially getting to see it in slow-mo replay.
This game is way better than last year's semifinal stinkers
This game has everything you want to see in a bowl
You get a Touchdown! You get a Touchdown! Everyone gets a Touchdown!
Anyone else take the over on the TCU game 😁😁😁
Well that catch by Michigan looked awfully familiar ...
It's not that I want TCU to lose
I just don't think TCU stands a chance against OSU or UGA 🫤
They don't even stand a chance against Michigan. Glad we won't have to suffer that shitshow.
ducks
The only thing more I find myself wanting from the Fiesta Bowl is Tostitos being the sponsor again. What a perfect sponsorship for a Fiesta!
Come on bounce it off his face!!!
Oh McChicken! You just hate (love) to see it!
Classic McDonough and "He has trouble with the snap" calls
Can't believe it. 'He has trouble with the snap...' is Michigan's version of 'Wide Right'.
You can go back and make a penalty after you've already awarded the other team the ball?
Glad the refs made the right call
Booth can initiate a review for targeting whenever they want as long as the ball isn't snapped.
Lmao fuck Michigan
Seriously hate Michigan. Second most overrated team of all time right behind OSU.
How is OSU overrated?
OSU gets some of the best talent in the country every year. And they hammer on a weak (and generally over inflated) B1G and then they often get stomped by really good teams. They always get the benefit of the doubt from the committee (being placed in the playoffs more than any other team) and have been placed in the playoff at least once or twice when they really shouldn't have ever been in it (like in 2017 when they got blasted 31-0. or 2020 when they lost by 6 to an overrated clemson team that ended up getting throttled in the final).
The problem IMO is that most seasons, there's only 1-3 teams deserving of a playoff bid, and OSU happens to be the next best available team.
I would agree that OSU has under achieved, but I wouldn't call them overrated.
well this is an entirely different conversation that you and I very likely disagree on
but I think one reason that OSU is overrated is because they have a ridiculous wealth of talent (I think they are routinely one of the top 2 or 3 talented teams in the country...ever. year.) and they somewhat consistently underachieve. They are rated highly because they have the talent that says they should be that good but then on the field of play they beat a bunch of mediocre teams and then often get rocked by actual competition.
On paper they should be one of the top 3 teams in the country every single year. And that's why they get the rankings they get. But they don't deserve it because they don't really play anyone all season and by simply not losing to way overmatched teams (talent wise) they keep a high ranking even though they do very little to actually prove they are a top team. Then, when given the chance, they fall flat on their face at least 50% of the time.
Personally, I think rankings should be much more about body of work than the talent on your roster. OSU has the talent to beat every team. But their body of work is always unimpressive.
A comment I heard recently was that OSU is a unique program because their floor is so close to their ceiling. Ryan Day is 48-5 and he's underachieving. It's wild.
I agree, but I think osu has a top 6 body of work almost every year (if not higher). Every time they've made the playoff, I thought they were the most deserving team based on resume.
this is where you and I have a fundamental disagreement on what constitutes a deserving team for the playoff. So I might be talking to a wall here but I'd say that in the 2017 playoff (following the 2016 season) OSU was not the most deserving team based on resume. OSU was selected OVER Penn State (the team that had actually won the B1G championship) and then promptly got trounced 30-0 by Clemson. I don't know how anyone can say that OSU was more deserving of that playoff spot than Penn State.
PSU had 2 losses, one of which was a blowout, and the other of which was to an above average ACC team. OSU had 1 loss to PSU, and beat the team that blew out PSU. OSU beat 4 ranked teams (including 3 top 10 teams and #3 Michigan). PSU beat 2 top 10 teams hone of which was OSU). You can't lose 2 games and make the four team playoff.
Not a valid argument for saying OSU shouldn't have made the playoff. PSU got beat by USC, a lesser team (or lesser resume at least) than Clemson.
here, take your leg and we'll just agree to disagree.
There resume is basically blank this year, it's just that every other team had red flags. There best win is struggling with a ND team that lost to Marshall and Stanford and struggled with 4 win Cal.
This is the difference between overrated and underachieving. They are properly ranked each year, but they should have more post season success given the talent on their roster.
rankings shouldn't be based on talent (though, they are). Because talent factors into rankings, really talented teams get over-inflated rankings to begin with (like OSU) and the only reason rankings change is results on the field (and they change, sometimes drastically, every week). OSU, in part, is a victim of being in a weak league. Outside of Michigan, who, until recently has been pretty bad for a while, there aren't any teams in that league that really provide any real barometer for OSU. They kind of get lulled to sleep by cruising through an easy schedule every year. And because OSU has such an inflated ranking each year, when a team beats them, or loses a close game to them that other team goes launching up the rankings. Then you end up with a bunch of overrated B1G teams because a team (OSU) that should be good on paper struggled with a team or two that is decent but not great.
I (strongly) agree. To be clear, I'm talking about CFP rankings, not recruiting (Not sure if that was unclear)
So, this is something I've changed my opinion on over the years, mostly after reading (a lot of) Bill Connelly. Margin of victory, combined with strength of opponents, should be used when comparing/ranking teams. So seeing OSU kick the shit out of some okay-decent teams is actually very impressive.
well, all this talk of OSU being overrated and they're putting egg on my face. They are taking it to UGA right now. I just hope the Final isn't a blowout.
Yeah it's only going to get worse with the playoff expansion and conference expansion there is absolutely zero reason for good teams to schedule any worth while teams. Currently all 10+ win P5 teams rank higher than all less than 10 win teams. Only one 10 win team wouldn't make it. So PSU makes it with losing to the only good teams it played. Why would they ever schedule anyone out of conference if 10 wins is basically all that matters.
conference expansion is probably dooming the sport. College football was great when there were regional rivalries. But with teams from Texas and Oklahoma in the SEC and teams from California in the B1G it's just losing it's luster
"Probably" is an understatement. So many teams playing each other that feel like it should be a bowl game to me.
Not gonna lie, I kinda like that.
I remember going to a wedding seeing WVU throwing up 70 something on Baylor. Was a heck of a game.
I hated the conference tie, but the game delivered.
I think it's more than the regional rivalries. For a brief period we had a bunch of big time OOC games that didn't really exist back in the day. OSU vs Texas, Bama v Texas, USC v Texas, man Texas is willing to play anyone.
But will Texas keep that up in the SEC? There's no reason to, as they can sell A&M and Bama tickets every year.
They barely beat a bad ND team that got better in the 2nd half of the season, but they were absolutely terrible the first few games
Because their fans try to use THE in front of the university name. Never got it confused with any other Ohio program.
I've worked with many OSU fans, some alumni, many not. It becomes insufferable at times with them in my encounters.
Edit: my response isn't for overrated vs my gripe with their fans.
Basically echoing some of the comments below. And this goes a long way back. They usually recruit well and beat up on an overrated Big Ten. They got lucky and stole a title from Miami in 2002 and then were promptly poll darlings from then on, going to two back to back title games in 06 and 07 and getting stomped. They usually look great on paper and are always high in the preseason polls which influences the eventual CFP rankings. So even if they lose a game they're usually always hanging around the top four. And one of the most if not the most obnoxious fan base in the entire country.
I wish it wasn't New Years Eve because it would be so fun to go down to Old Town and party with the TCU fans and laugh at the obnoxious Michigan fans
I am surprised TCU won. And I am stunned - and I mean STUNNED - that the refs did not give Michigan the targeting penalty. I mean what is called seems almost random and that they did not try to give Michigan another shot amazed me. Pleased about it, but still amazed.
The refs were bad, really bad, like they should be ashamed to be calling a playoff game bad.
refs have missed some things early in this UGA-OSU game too
Another year of the Harbaugh hot seat lol. How many years running is it now?
I doubt losing in the playoffs puts him on the hot seat. Of course, maybe. Are Michigan fans that absurd in their demands?
I was thinking 6 bowl losses in a row will get some fans talking about it again.
He beat OSU and won the Big 10 in back to back years. He's not on the hot seat.
The OSU wins save him for now, but I just feel like a portion of Michigan fans will be calling for it again as soon as something goes wrong next year.
It's 11 years late, but I declare our curse lifted now that Michigan has also lost such an important game on a bad call at the end!!
Here, here!
Danny Coale, who caught that damn ball, is now a free elf!
nah nothing's gonna make me feel less salty about that call
Karma is a lady dog I tell ya!
Danny Coale sends his regards.
Any thoughts on the no-call for targeting?
I think he hits the nameplate / between the shoulders
No targeting, correct.
But since they expanded the definition of targeting to include what used to be called spearing, they could have ejected the TCU player and I wouldn't have argued.
I don't agree with the call; stupid unnecessary hit by the defender. You don't even want a fumble there.
Pleased with the outcome. Stupid unnecessary game plan by Michigan. They got burned playing cute, fair and square.
TCU finally playing for a championship that they probably should have played for during the BCS era. Congrats to them.
What even is targeting?
Who knows?
Cold me a cold one and ready to watch UGA beat Brutus into next year, figuratively and literally
I'm stealing this
Did not even notice. I did not mention if it was the first cold one or not, lol.
Everything was crazy about that game. Even the sidelines... Apparently RG3's wife went into labor in the middle of the game and he stopped mid comment and hauled ass out.
that was an incredible game. Happy for TCU. And happy for Michigan to get a little taste of touchdowns being reversed
Marvin Harrison Jr is a beast
loved watching his dad and Peyton on Sundays
Fuck uga. Trash fans who bark at children. Rooting for osu feels dirty, but it's a necessary evil.
I was rooting for TCU and the Asteroid. I think it's unlikely I'll get both but c'est la vie. I'm happy TCU will be in the final and I hope they beat whoever they play. I hate both UGA and OSU but I think I hate OSU more (mostly because they are always overrated)...so go dawgz, I guess. I just kinda hope that it's not a blowout one way or the other. It would be nice to see a playoff with no blowouts for once.
Well that's a take for sure. I don't root for UGA, but have had worse experiences with OSU fans. Specifically seeing full glass beer bottles being chucked during tailgates in Columbus. Guess it is all about experiences.
Need OSU pull this off. UGA is literally the last team out of the bunch that I want to see in the big game.
Also if anOSU wins then TCU can get revenge for 2014
I just found out Ryan Seacrest is a Dawgz fan. So, maybe I could be okay with OSU winning afterall
I can't tell if he's really a fan or ABC is just feeding him a line to sound like he knows something/anything about football, but either way that's enough to move this game from asteroid to rooting for the fightin' pot leaf stickers for me.
according to wiki he did in fact grow up in Atlanta and attend UGA. So it's probably legit.
I'm pretty sure he went to UGA for a bit. I had heard that some time ago. He's still annoying as shit, but. Not making that fandom up
Ryan Day needs a NIL deal with just for men.
I never imagined seeing TCU vs. OSU in the championship game. But, could be if Georgia does not get this going soon.
Georgia isn't winning this. They badly needed a TD there...FGs aren't gonna do. I think OSU scores on their next possession and puts this thing away for good.
Do 76 yard tuddies help?
they certainly do! This has been a great pair of semi-finals. It only took almost 10 years to get to the type of playoff games fans wanted.
This is best CFP so far. We've gotten so used to blowout semifinal games...I don't know what to do with this exciting football
yet another fantastic game. Two in a row! I'm so happy there hasn't been a blowout. I really hope the final is similar.
See if Stroud can execute the 1 min drill as well as he did at the end of the 1st half.
That seemed like poor clock management from UGA.
this feels like a game OSU is gonna win on a FG at this point. A lot of time to go not terribly far since their kicker has a rocket launcher for a leg
I think that run by Stroud is ball game. Well done to OSU. I hope TCU puts them in their place
Honestly thought that they should have run on 3rd. Just try and pick up 5 yards or so and make it a more makeable kick. Granted, that kick would not have been good, but really wonder what would have happened if it was a 45 yard kick instead of 50. Guess we'll never know.
But I hope TCU wins it all as well.
lol...wow
That kicker owes Stroud steak dinners for life
I had a thought that the game would be lost because of a kicker. It wasn't the kicker I thought it was going to be.
Feel bad for that kicker.
I feel worse for Stroud. He did everything he could to put his team in position to win and then that's the kick that he gets
The one position that you can't out athlete cost OSU.
That was a terrible kick. If he missed it by a bit I'd blame the OC for not running on third and 11, but that kick was a straight up choke.
What a pair of football games man.
Hard not to appreciate those 4 teams. All 4 seem to have great guys on their teams. Unbelievable effort. Heartbreaking for Stroud & Ruggles tho.
I think Georgia and TX Christian are gonna put on a heck of a show too.
I was so happy both B10 Teams lost!
Happy that neither of these games was a blowout. Very shocked that Georgia gave up as much as they did, but I guess that's a credit to OSU for game planning. A little disappointed we didn't end up with a UM/OSU rematch for the championship game.
Hey- for your touchdown gifs, have you seen that Exum has a new video?
yup. already have the new gif selected. There wasn't much material but there's one clip that was absolutely money.
I saw stroud make a great run, left to watch the ball drop with my family... Came back to UGA winning. Wtf
The alt telecast of the playoff games on ESPN 2 were highly entertaining, especially the TCU/Mich game with Taylor Lewan going nuts and RG3 answering his phone during the telecast to find out his wife is in labor and then running off the field
What a fun night of games to end on one hell of a choke job. I hope Ruggles is alright this morning.
Also, the timing of the kick was just insane. aOSU's run struck midnight. Literally.
Kind of poetic, really
I have a superpower.
I can be watching a game - doesn't matter the sport - between two teams with no ostensible rooting interest on my end, and always end up preferring one over the other.
Every time, every single time, the team I prefer loses. It's incredibly frustrating.
The only reason TCU won, was because I didn't know the game was happening. I won't be accepting more reasonable explanations.
Gonna go ahead and ignore all information about when the MNC is. I'm doing my part.
So whens the spring game?
If I had to put money down right now, my bet would be April 15th at 2pm.
Really cool to see Miss St get the win today for Leach. Will Rogers, clearly choked up and previously crying, post-game interview had me getting choked up myself.
I have no clue what is or isn't targeting
Are you a ref?? Because I think "normal" people can actually identify targeting.
WTAF is targeting??
If you told me what type of hits you wanted to eliminate from the game to reduce injury I would show you video of that hit.
Apparently attempted murder doesn't draw a flag. But ball don't lie and Tulane took care of business anyway.
Chaos in the Cotton Bowl!!!
Amazing ending in the Cotton Bowl. What an incredible finish to an incredible season for Tulane.
Love this Tulane team! Should give Hokie fans everywhere hope that things can change.
I love it. USC authors posted articles that USC should have been in the playoffs based on the fact that both Big Ten teams lost. They just got pantzed in the Cotton Bowl by Tulane!
We have been BLESSED this bowl season, so many good games. Just don't understand when people complain about too many bowl games...
Also: suck it USC
it's not like this every year. Remember the year when we played Cincy and it was like one of 3 games with a lead change and the only one with multiple lead changes. But this has been a great year!
True true, fair point. I'll just never complain about more football I guess. Lol
oh I'm not complaining. I'm here watching the game and playing NCAA 2014 so status quo
I hadn't really thought about it until now, but going back and looking at the final scores and there have been a lot of one-score games this season. Only 7 games (including LSU today) where the victor won by 20+, out of 40 (i think) games completed so far), and 22 decided by one score.
Just to add to this 57% of games were 1 score games, which doesn't count the one game that scored one the last play to make it a two score game.
The OSU-UF game was the 3rd largest blowout (LSU-Purdue, Memphis-Utah St), and I throughly enjoyed watching Florida suck, so even the bad games were fun to watch.
I think that TE action from Ped St. is what coach Pry would like to see.
Always great to see Lincoln Riley's Hollywood, buying up players, super soft program get humbled. I have lost all respect for Riley since he went to USC.
Big oof for Lincoln
I gotta say, I'm going to miss the rose bowl, the half time show is the bands. The national anthem was Utah's band. This is college football, this is great even if one band wants to play green day for the half time show (nothing against Green Day, it just doesn't translate to tubas very well)
Where is the Rose Bowl going? It may not be the traditional Big Ten/Pac 12 matchup in the new playoff but the game will still be there and be high profile.
This is the last year as a bowl game. Next year it's the site for a semifinal game so no rose bowl trophy awarded ever again. It will no longer be run by the rose bowl committee, it will be ran by the playoff committee.
I thought they still award the rose bowl trophy to the winner even when it's a playoff game?
They have decided to stop with the playoff expansion.
EDIT: there ia talk about hosting the Rose Bowl every year that the stadium doesn't have a game on the 1st so that they can keep tradition but that has not been announced.
I can't find anything that says they are going to retire the Rose Bowl trophy, do you have a link? Are the other major bowls going to also stop awarding their trophies like the Sugar and Orange? I'm kind of confused I thought the Rose Bowl would always be a playoff game, they will just rotate among the NY6 each year which games are quarterfinals and semifinals. The only thing I could find was no more Big Ten/Pac 12 traditional matchup and no guarantee the rose bowl would be on Jan 1 every year.
https://www.si.com/college/2022/12/01/rose-bowl-agrees-college-football-...
Why would teams get trophies for quarter final games?
I didn't see anything about them doing away with the bowl trophy in there though. It seems like the Rose Bowl committee wanted to ability to host a traditional Big Ten/Pac 12 bowl in addition to a playoff game in years they weren't a semifinal but the CFP said no. I'm sure that would be weird to make that concession for only one of the big bowls. This seems like a bit of drama over just the traditional conference affiliations and time slot.
They still all award the trophy for semifinal games, I don't see why all the NY6 bowls would retire their trophies. It's still that bowl game, it's just they are part of an even bigger playoff now.
I think it's kind of cool because you have an opportunity to play in two major bowls in a year. It's almost like the NY6 bowls will be majors like in the PGA. Each bowl is part of a bigger playoff, but that individual bowl is still a two team championship with a trophy up for grabs. I think it will be cool for way more teams to now be able to go to the Rose and have the opportunity to put that trophy in the case.
TCU is the underdog, and rightly so, but they have some really good players.
Quentin Johnston is likely a first round pick. And is there a more likeable player in CFB than Duggan? It helps that he's a baller