Slightly OT, but as I read the article this came to mind - do games against ND count against conference record? I know ND is sort of partnering with the ACC but is not joining fully. So do wins and losses against ND count for ACC standings?
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9 acc games. I want either clemson or florida state on the schedule every year.
There is no guarantee that the SEC will be the best conference in the land every year. Playing an arkansas, kentucky, the mississippis on their down years wouldn't do it for me.
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I'd prefer the 9 game sched too. The ACC should be working to establish itself on its own terms and in its own right, not jockeying for position as an SEC fluffer.
We can still play them OOC.
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ACC-SEC, but in a best vs. best and worst vs. worst format, home one year, away the next. Make it the last Saturday in September. There are not enough "fits" to do the same team every year. The other big improvement would be eliminating divisions so more ACC teams play each other. Something in the ballpark of Andy's idea would be a major improvement and makes so much economic sense.
The bottom line is that a diverse and quality schedule is how the declining ticket sales are going to be fixed.
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I don't think the SEC game per year would work with many team in the ACC besides the teams already with sec rivalries. What I'd prefer is that all the ACC teams use that game to schedule a non confence rival that makes geographic sense for them. Like Pitt-PSU, VT-WVU, UVA-ODU (because of CML's love for the 757), Syracuse- Rutgers, BC- UCONN, NCSU- East Carolina, UNC- UT. Duke-Stanford (Bit of a stretch for sure), Miami- UCF (?), and of course the other teams with SEC rivalries. I know this is highly idealized, but I think people like Syracuse would much rather play Rutgers than say Ole Miss. Just my 2 cents
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the ACC-SEC arrangement would likely be to give ESPN more quality inventory while keeping FSU, Clemson, USC-e and L'ville happy. none of them want a 9th ACC game.
now, ideally, we would get the 9th ACC game AND an SEC scheduling arrangement, but that ain't happening.
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9 game ACC schedule. It's absolutely tragic that we will play Notre Dame more often the Atlantic Division teams not named Boston College. The 9th league game is essential to playing games against Florida State, Clemson, Loserville, and NC State more often.
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I would rather get rid of the permanent cross over...maybe adjust the divisions slightly to keep some of the in conference rivalries that people would be concerned about losing...and then schedule SEC teams once a year. That way we'll play teams from the other division once every 4 years, everyone still gets their ACC rival, every team has 3 OOC games they can choose every year, and each team gets to play against an SEC team each year. Maybe I didn't put enough thought into it but to me that looks like a WIN-WIN-WIN-WIN
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having a guaranteed sec matchup every year would be cool but lets face it, we would get thumped as a conference most years. i think a 9 game conference sched makes more sense, the schools with sec rivals will just have to suck it up.
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At the end of the day, the ultimate goal of the conference is to develop an environment that would maximize the number of consistent national championship contenders in the league (duh).
In my mind, there are only two programs that are currently consistent national championship contenders: Clemson and Florida State. Virginia Tech, Louisville and Miami could be in that conversation in the next three years.
The secondary goal should be to maximize the amount programs that could consistently become bowl-eligible.
So the answer of this question should be looked at from this framework: How does each choice help UVA become consistently bowl-eligible? How does each choice help Florida State cement its status and raise Virginia Tech to the Seminoles level?
That being said, my preference is the 8+SEC model. I'd rather see the conference that a risk than play it safe.
Rightfully so, most people believe the SEC is a superior conference to the ACC. Recruits would rather play in the SEC because playing against the best collegiate competition will prepare them for the next level. There are two ways for the ACC to break that perception: 1) To have as many teams compete for the NC as possible 2) To beat the SEC consistently in 1-on-1 matchups.
By only playing eight conference games instead of nine, you minimize programs "beating up on each other". In a conference game, it's guaranteed one ACC team gets a win and one gets a loss. In a non-conference game, nothing is guaranteed. By replacing a ninth conference game with a SEC game, you create a higher variance of total NC contenders and bowl-eligible teams in the conference. Given that the ACC is the "little brother" to the SEC, this is the preferable option.
Trivially, if ACC teams beat SEC teams regularly, the perception of the ACC changes.
Of course, this could end badly for the ACC. If the SEC dominates these matchups, the schedule would be counterintuitive to the ACC's ultimate goals.
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Let's not forget that the SEC hasn't been the dominant conference this whole time....they won't be the most dominant conference forever...this is the best opportunity for the ACC to start turning the tables against the SEC
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Definitely prefer an ACC-SEC Challenge. Truthfully, there isn't one SEC stadium I wouldn't want to attend at least one Hokie game at. I can't say that for all the ACC road trips, and I've already visited all the good football opponents at least once.
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I have a few question for how the ACC/SEC deal would work:
-will all of the teams that don't have current SEC rivals get a permanent rival or rotate?
-will the teams that have a rival care that they don't get to rotate?
-how will this affect games like the Chick-fil-a Kickoff? I'm sure one advantage to ACC/SEC would be the home and home aspect.
But, the ACC is going to have to do something with that ninth game. If the ACC and SEC are going to be the only two conferences under 9 conference games, then that means there are fewer teams to choose from for non-conference games.
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I like it in addition to the in-state rival for those that already have one, and rotating for all teams. Make it the last Saturday in September. Make it the Chick-fil-a ACC/SEC Challenge. It HAS TO BE home one year, away the next, never neutral site.
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FSU's opponent in the NCG played 9 SEC teams this year. Strength of schedule will be huge in the playoff format, so any way to get a schedule that is closer to the caliber of what the SEC teams play every year is a good thing.
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I like the 8 + SEC. All the teams with yearly SEC matchup already vehemently don't want 9 conf games and I can see their point. With SEC match ups it could see where some teams could opt for a constant partner while others rotate.
There's so much talent in SEC country right now I think it would help recruiting.
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I've been thinking about it from the SEC standpoint. Why would they want to do this? Most teams in the SEC pad their out of conference schedules with FCS and LOLUVA-level programs because of the grueling nature of SEC football. At first glance, most teams would balk at the idea of giving up a guaranteed home game against a bad opponent in exchange of a home game with ACC opponent every other year. If I were an SEC coach, I wouldn't like giving up my flexibility.
Then I realized how this could make sense from an SEC standpoint: money.
Theoretically, the ACC covers the following markets that the SEC doesn't: New York (Syracuse), Boston (Boston College), Washington DC (VT/UVA), Pittsburgh (PITT) & Charlotte/R-D (UNC, Duke, WF, NCST). That represents the #1, #6, #9, #23 & #27 markets in the United States.
If you make the SEC matchups into neutral site games (instead of home games for the ACC), the SEC would expand their influence into the north and make a ton of money in the process.
Here's what I'd like to see happen:
1) Keep the current ACC/SEC matchups. That includes:
Georgia vs. Georgia Tech
Florida vs. Florida State
Kentucky vs. Louisville
South Carolina vs. Clemson
2) Create the following matchups based on market size:
Syracuse vs. Alabama (Neutral Site: Metlife Stadium)
Boston College vs. Auburn (Neutral Site: Gillette Stadium)
Virginia Tech vs. Texas A&M (Neutral Site: Washington DC)
Pittsburgh vs. LSU
UNC vs. Tennessee & NC State vs. Mizzou (Neutral Site: Bank of America Stadium)
3) Fill-in other matchups that make most geographic sense and/or create the most compelling matchups:
UVA vs. Old Miss
Duke vs. Vanderbilt
Miami vs. Miss State
Wake vs. Arkansas
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In addition, you can move the "ACC vs. SEC" weekend to the first week of the schedule. Keep the tie-in sponsorship with Chick-Fil-A and hold two games on Thursday & Monday night.
With tons of marquee matchups in the mix, the entire offseason the talking heads will have their focus on ACC/SEC matchups.
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I like this, but I think we should have the games in a home n home deal. Texas A&M would want us back in their neighborhood, since we beat them there the last time we were there. I want to see Lane rocking when they come!
Also, why would the ACC want to expand the reach of the SEC? I wouldn't do that! The media will go to these games at the home fields and the atmosphere would be electric! Both conferences get to be showcased in their environment and regions. Its a Win-Win.
Also, with this we need to have a more rotation based 8-game ACC schedule and no more embedded cross-conference rivals.
That combination makes sense to me.
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Not a fan of the neutral site games and I am pretty sure the SEC wouldn't be either. Most of those teams have 7 home games a year, why would they want to give one up.
I just can't see the SEC wanting to man up enough to play the ACC every year even if it was a dedicated "rival". Other than a natural rivalry with Tenn or Texas A&M (Cadet schools) most of the ACC doesn't have a natural rival with an SEC opponent. No shared states, etc.
I would rather see 9 ACC games so we play FSU and Clemson more often than ND.
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world's largest cocktail party, tennessee at bristol, Arkansas and aTm playing game at Jerry World, an SEC team in CFA kickoff in ATL every year. maybe the games couldn't be neutral every year, but for the right $, they will find a way to mix them in.
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For me, the SEC game seems more appealing. I'm not exactly counting down the days for VT's next trip to Wake, but even the last ranked SEC team would be interesting.
Just one request, not Bama again.
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Slightly OT, but as I read the article this came to mind - do games against ND count against conference record? I know ND is sort of partnering with the ACC but is not joining fully. So do wins and losses against ND count for ACC standings?
Notre Dame games do not count in the ACC standings.
Thanks, Andy. I assumed that would be the most logical, but I've become accustomed to #goacc.
I would love to see an sec team on schedule every year. It would definitely help tha acc out.
That's easy. ACC-SEC (aTm & Tenn as it pertains to VT).
Also, it would kind of make up for the fact that JW & CFB didn't push harder for us to get into that conference back in the early 00s.
9 acc games. I want either clemson or florida state on the schedule every year.
There is no guarantee that the SEC will be the best conference in the land every year. Playing an arkansas, kentucky, the mississippis on their down years wouldn't do it for me.
I'd prefer the 9 game sched too. The ACC should be working to establish itself on its own terms and in its own right, not jockeying for position as an SEC fluffer.
We can still play them OOC.
Dude, Ole Miss will be no joke in the next couple of years.
That's the same thing that Hoos have been saying about UVA for years now.
I stand by it, Hoos fans don't know football, Hokie fans do!
Ha, I'll give you that one.
I wouldn't mind a trip to The Grove
That would be cool, gotta love sharing tailgate culture!!
ACC-SEC, but in a best vs. best and worst vs. worst format, home one year, away the next. Make it the last Saturday in September. There are not enough "fits" to do the same team every year. The other big improvement would be eliminating divisions so more ACC teams play each other. Something in the ballpark of Andy's idea would be a major improvement and makes so much economic sense.
The bottom line is that a diverse and quality schedule is how the declining ticket sales are going to be fixed.
ACC-SEC so we don't have to hear how our schedule is bad because the ACC is bad
I don't think the SEC game per year would work with many team in the ACC besides the teams already with sec rivalries. What I'd prefer is that all the ACC teams use that game to schedule a non confence rival that makes geographic sense for them. Like Pitt-PSU, VT-WVU, UVA-ODU (because of CML's love for the 757), Syracuse- Rutgers, BC- UCONN, NCSU- East Carolina, UNC- UT. Duke-Stanford (Bit of a stretch for sure), Miami- UCF (?), and of course the other teams with SEC rivalries. I know this is highly idealized, but I think people like Syracuse would much rather play Rutgers than say Ole Miss. Just my 2 cents
Why do I imagine a 9th ACC game for VT somehow being a rematch with BC? Please do not do this.
Also would love if they got rid of the cross-division rivals altogether and just did a rotation.
the ACC-SEC arrangement would likely be to give ESPN more quality inventory while keeping FSU, Clemson, USC-e and L'ville happy. none of them want a 9th ACC game.
now, ideally, we would get the 9th ACC game AND an SEC scheduling arrangement, but that ain't happening.
I propose, instead of SEC-ACC matchup or a 9th ACC game, every ACC team should schedule ECU.
Glad to see the SEC would consider stepping up and playing teams from the Dominant ACC. Guess they want to know what good teams look like.
9 game ACC schedule. It's absolutely tragic that we will play Notre Dame more often the Atlantic Division teams not named Boston College. The 9th league game is essential to playing games against Florida State, Clemson, Loserville, and NC State more often.
I would rather get rid of the permanent cross over...maybe adjust the divisions slightly to keep some of the in conference rivalries that people would be concerned about losing...and then schedule SEC teams once a year. That way we'll play teams from the other division once every 4 years, everyone still gets their ACC rival, every team has 3 OOC games they can choose every year, and each team gets to play against an SEC team each year. Maybe I didn't put enough thought into it but to me that looks like a WIN-WIN-WIN-WIN
having a guaranteed sec matchup every year would be cool but lets face it, we would get thumped as a conference most years. i think a 9 game conference sched makes more sense, the schools with sec rivals will just have to suck it up.
I don't disagree but I would rather lose to Bama, Auburn, Georgia, USCe, LSU, etc than JMU.
SEC teams have to win against each other to be #1 and it makes them better programs. I would like to think it would help us as well.
yes I agree with this.."To BE the best you have to BEAT the best"
I'm going to let my captain O come out here when I say that in order to BEAT the best we have to PLAY the best...
I would much rather play an SEC team and risk losing than play a JMU team and....well...risk losing.
At the end of the day, the ultimate goal of the conference is to develop an environment that would maximize the number of consistent national championship contenders in the league (duh).
In my mind, there are only two programs that are currently consistent national championship contenders: Clemson and Florida State. Virginia Tech, Louisville and Miami could be in that conversation in the next three years.
The secondary goal should be to maximize the amount programs that could consistently become bowl-eligible.
So the answer of this question should be looked at from this framework: How does each choice help UVA become consistently bowl-eligible? How does each choice help Florida State cement its status and raise Virginia Tech to the Seminoles level?
That being said, my preference is the 8+SEC model. I'd rather see the conference that a risk than play it safe.
Rightfully so, most people believe the SEC is a superior conference to the ACC. Recruits would rather play in the SEC because playing against the best collegiate competition will prepare them for the next level. There are two ways for the ACC to break that perception: 1) To have as many teams compete for the NC as possible 2) To beat the SEC consistently in 1-on-1 matchups.
By only playing eight conference games instead of nine, you minimize programs "beating up on each other". In a conference game, it's guaranteed one ACC team gets a win and one gets a loss. In a non-conference game, nothing is guaranteed. By replacing a ninth conference game with a SEC game, you create a higher variance of total NC contenders and bowl-eligible teams in the conference. Given that the ACC is the "little brother" to the SEC, this is the preferable option.
Trivially, if ACC teams beat SEC teams regularly, the perception of the ACC changes.
Of course, this could end badly for the ACC. If the SEC dominates these matchups, the schedule would be counterintuitive to the ACC's ultimate goals.
Let's not forget that the SEC hasn't been the dominant conference this whole time....they won't be the most dominant conference forever...this is the best opportunity for the ACC to start turning the tables against the SEC
Nine games in the ACC of which ND would be a member and no permanent cross division rival. Rotate 3 from the Atlantic every year.
I would like us to start playing sec
Nine ACC games. And contrary to most, I don't mind the permanent rival game.
Definitely prefer an ACC-SEC Challenge. Truthfully, there isn't one SEC stadium I wouldn't want to attend at least one Hokie game at. I can't say that for all the ACC road trips, and I've already visited all the good football opponents at least once.
I'm fine if the rivalry game is UVA, in the reformatted, no divisions ACC.
One can dream.
I have a few question for how the ACC/SEC deal would work:
-will all of the teams that don't have current SEC rivals get a permanent rival or rotate?
-will the teams that have a rival care that they don't get to rotate?
-how will this affect games like the Chick-fil-a Kickoff? I'm sure one advantage to ACC/SEC would be the home and home aspect.
But, the ACC is going to have to do something with that ninth game. If the ACC and SEC are going to be the only two conferences under 9 conference games, then that means there are fewer teams to choose from for non-conference games.
I like it in addition to the in-state rival for those that already have one, and rotating for all teams. Make it the last Saturday in September. Make it the Chick-fil-a ACC/SEC Challenge. It HAS TO BE home one year, away the next, never neutral site.
So FSU would have 2 SEC teams per year? Doesn't seem fair no matter how good the conference is.
FSU's opponent in the NCG played 9 SEC teams this year. Strength of schedule will be huge in the playoff format, so any way to get a schedule that is closer to the caliber of what the SEC teams play every year is a good thing.
I like the 8 + SEC. All the teams with yearly SEC matchup already vehemently don't want 9 conf games and I can see their point. With SEC match ups it could see where some teams could opt for a constant partner while others rotate.
There's so much talent in SEC country right now I think it would help recruiting.
I've been thinking about it from the SEC standpoint. Why would they want to do this? Most teams in the SEC pad their out of conference schedules with FCS and LOLUVA-level programs because of the grueling nature of SEC football. At first glance, most teams would balk at the idea of giving up a guaranteed home game against a bad opponent in exchange of a home game with ACC opponent every other year. If I were an SEC coach, I wouldn't like giving up my flexibility.
Then I realized how this could make sense from an SEC standpoint: money.
Theoretically, the ACC covers the following markets that the SEC doesn't: New York (Syracuse), Boston (Boston College), Washington DC (VT/UVA), Pittsburgh (PITT) & Charlotte/R-D (UNC, Duke, WF, NCST). That represents the #1, #6, #9, #23 & #27 markets in the United States.
If you make the SEC matchups into neutral site games (instead of home games for the ACC), the SEC would expand their influence into the north and make a ton of money in the process.
Here's what I'd like to see happen:
1) Keep the current ACC/SEC matchups. That includes:
Georgia vs. Georgia Tech
Florida vs. Florida State
Kentucky vs. Louisville
South Carolina vs. Clemson
2) Create the following matchups based on market size:
Syracuse vs. Alabama (Neutral Site: Metlife Stadium)
Boston College vs. Auburn (Neutral Site: Gillette Stadium)
Virginia Tech vs. Texas A&M (Neutral Site: Washington DC)
Pittsburgh vs. LSU
UNC vs. Tennessee & NC State vs. Mizzou (Neutral Site: Bank of America Stadium)
3) Fill-in other matchups that make most geographic sense and/or create the most compelling matchups:
UVA vs. Old Miss
Duke vs. Vanderbilt
Miami vs. Miss State
Wake vs. Arkansas
In addition, you can move the "ACC vs. SEC" weekend to the first week of the schedule. Keep the tie-in sponsorship with Chick-Fil-A and hold two games on Thursday & Monday night.
With tons of marquee matchups in the mix, the entire offseason the talking heads will have their focus on ACC/SEC matchups.
Heinz Field isn't neutral for Pitt. It's their home field.
I like this idea a lot. I think a yearly ACC/SEC game would fit very well into the schedules of both conferences.
I like this, but I think we should have the games in a home n home deal. Texas A&M would want us back in their neighborhood, since we beat them there the last time we were there. I want to see Lane rocking when they come!
Also, why would the ACC want to expand the reach of the SEC? I wouldn't do that! The media will go to these games at the home fields and the atmosphere would be electric! Both conferences get to be showcased in their environment and regions. Its a Win-Win.
Also, with this we need to have a more rotation based 8-game ACC schedule and no more embedded cross-conference rivals.
That combination makes sense to me.
Not a fan of the neutral site games and I am pretty sure the SEC wouldn't be either. Most of those teams have 7 home games a year, why would they want to give one up.
I just can't see the SEC wanting to man up enough to play the ACC every year even if it was a dedicated "rival". Other than a natural rivalry with Tenn or Texas A&M (Cadet schools) most of the ACC doesn't have a natural rival with an SEC opponent. No shared states, etc.
I would rather see 9 ACC games so we play FSU and Clemson more often than ND.
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world's largest cocktail party, tennessee at bristol, Arkansas and aTm playing game at Jerry World, an SEC team in CFA kickoff in ATL every year. maybe the games couldn't be neutral every year, but for the right $, they will find a way to mix them in.
For me, the SEC game seems more appealing. I'm not exactly counting down the days for VT's next trip to Wake, but even the last ranked SEC team would be interesting.
Just one request, not Bama again.