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Greatttttt the guy people had the most hope in correcting the offensive issues 😂
Rats...good for him, but Rats!
I hear that there's a coach available with past ties to our program that's supposed to be a quarterback whisperer....maybe we can give him a call!
I think we should send Cincy a glowing recommendation for this coach and keep Glenn. Something about the offense being very difficult to prepare for...
I was really hoping we we're moving to a Glenn style offense this off-season.
I mean, we still can...
I feel like it's a little less likely now, but here's to hoping we find an identity one way or another before the Fall.
Frustrating timing... I've been following him since he was at GSU, loved his offense.
Interested to see who we would replace him with. After 10 minutes of googling, I decide my first choice (for now) is JMU QB Coach & PGC Tino Sunseri. Can't say I consume a ton of JMU football, but I know he contributed to the overhaul of JMU's offense, going from very run heavy to very pass heavy after the RB room got hit with the injury bug - given that he had success in two different schemes, it makes me think that he is good at working with the talent around him. Also GA'd for Saban, which is always a positive.
I am a fan of the Sunseri line in regards to coaching.
After doing a little research on him, I have to agree that Sunseri should be a strong candidate. Pretty impressive resume for a young coach.
Don't know anything about him as a coach, but I remember Sunseri torching our defense at Pitt in 2012. His name still makes me twitch a little
Pry already building that coaching tree
Speaks well to the original hire, but tough we couldn't hold onto him.
What's interesting here is that Glenn was clearly valued enough to be an OC candidate at a program like Cincy, but we got him as a QB coach/PGC, with Bowen as the OC. Now we will face the question about whether Pry made the right call on the distribution of duties here.
This has been something that puzzled me for a while. I feel like the Glenn hire was announced before the Bowen hire too (possibly because his NFL time table, but still)?
Not sure if Glenn just wanted to get out of GSU, or what. Especially frustrating given that, at VT at least, 'the Glenn offense' seemed to be more successful than 'The Bowen Offense'.
Always a day late and a dollar short
Yeah there will likely be some questions. Especially how Pry mentioned he wanted a staff that was a fit for VT and the rebuild, people that would stick around for a while. For Glenn to bolt after one year, kind of get the feeling he wasn't content with just being the QB coach.
There's a simple fix to retain him
probably would also require a promotion to at least co-coordinator and transfer of duties away from Bowen to Glenn to be equivalent.
The way things played out last season there are definitely worse ways to go than this
As a VT fan I'm sad to see him go, but if I was a Cincy fan and all I saw was this past year at VT, not sure if I'd be excited if I were them.
This is definitely Bowen's offense now.
This will put a lot more pressure on Bowen.
I hope he is ready.
Well, there's a former QB coach and offensive coordinator with head coaching experience, including taking a team to a conference title game who is still on the market and would probably be affordable. ducks
Affordable, aren't we already paying him?
This means there's zero margin for error for Bowen next year (as if there was any before)...if Bowen stumbles like he did last year, we don't have anyone to take the reins of playcalling. I'm nervous....very nervous.
I guess I'm just semi-annoyed at how IMO the offense is set up less efficiently than it should have been given the staff. It wouldn't have been hard to make Glenn and Bowen co-OCs and have Glenn be the playcaller and Bowen recruit and and assist in scheming. But we didn't do that and let Glenn walk after one year. Obviously he was looking for more than he had. Combined with having to wait so long to announce Bowen and get him on the road due to NFL which hurt us in recruiting and the portal the first year. Then we saw Bowen really struggle at times with Pry even making comments publicly that we weren't creative and were vanilla. Glenn's RPO influence was evident by the end of the season and started to get us in a bit of a flow. Don't know what we do now, it's likely too late to bring in a co-OC to mesh with Bowen. But agreed having no one else on staff with OC/playcalling experience will be yikes.
Edit: I know Rudolph has OC experience but yeah...don't think we are going to line up under center and play the Wisconsin offense.
Good thing we actually do have a former P5 OC + playcaller on staff in Joe Rudolph. Losing Brad Glenn off the staff at this point of the offseason is suboptimal but let's not get all chicken little about it
Edit: well now i look dumb!
Edit: well now i look even dumber!
As bad as the offense was last year and coming off a 3-8 record, any loss gets me really worried.
Well, time to see how good Bowen actually is! No excuses now.
Also, no offense to Brad as I'm really sad to see him go, but this kinda feels like Cincy is late to the coaching carousel party and just trying to fill spots. If he was truly qualified for the Cincy OC job, how did we land him as our QB coach last year yet not our OC? Surely his stock hasn't taken a huge jump based off of this past season. Just kinda weird! I wish him all the best.
Cincy just lost their OC to the NFL on Monday, hence the late move on their part.
What's interesting is that Cincy's offensive coaches have been on a carousel ever since the year turned 2023.
Gino Guidugli, Cincy's OC from last year, was hired away in January by Wisconsin to be their TE coach, but then in a month's time went to Notre Dame to be their QB coach.
Tom Manning, who as I mentioned just left for the Colts, had just been hired by Satterfield in January after Guidugli left.
I had to look up the bit about Tom Manning, and you see the quicksand that I fell into...
Keeping it classy, gotta love Coach Pry
This is a big blow, Glenn was more qualified to be OC than Bowen and one of the reasons I was optimistic we could make a big improvement on offense this season. If the offense flounders again and Glenn does well it will immediately put Pry on an extremely hot seat considering he could have easily made Glenn the OC.
I heard there's a great young hot shot at Sam Houston State. Thinking we should go after him. P5 experience, has worked with a Heisman candidate QB, and doesn't let the outside criticism get to him.
A Hokie football coach was hired away from VT to coach elsewhere as an OC?
I will have to check my notes, but I'm fairly certain that's one of the signs of the apocalypse.
Has this ever happened before? I really can't think of a time it has.
Rickey Bustle.
I thought he left to be the big whistle at ULL? Is that not correct?
That would be the second time he left. Here is his wiki. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickey_Bustle
Just from that list it seems crazy to go to USCe for a year and then back to VT for another 6. I assume we just weren't paying him before he left?
He was hired away as a HC not OC ... nevermind see above.
Is it too late to get him back?
Ha! I remember being stationed in Germany in the early 2000s laughing at the German guys in skinny jeans and thinking, "These will never catch on stateside." How wrong I was!
I'll still laugh at ze German guys.
I'll never choose slim fit anything.
Maybe it is apocolyptic for Satterfield. He was hired as HC for UL in 2019. Since then he has hired a new OC in 2019, 2021, 2022, and two in 2023.
While every coach has a short list of potential hires, his has been obliterated. And at this stage in the off-season, it's super difficult to hire someone unless there is familiarity. Based on a quick glance of his coaching staff history and familiarity, it seems he essentially had 2 options: Brad Glenn or the current OC for Appalachian State Frank Ponce.
So, it ended up being Glenn.
I think this is a bad sign. Glenn was, IMO, the most qualified offensive coach (maybe with the exception of Rudolph). I would not be at all surprised to see Cincinnati have a good offense and ours to look stuck in mud again.
I hope Bowen figures it out but I don't have much faith in him, unfortunately. If the offense doesn't look markedly improved I think Bowen has to go. I think it's too late to go after Zach Kittley but he would have been my dream oc hire to begin with. Idk who Pry would be able to lure to Blacksburg if/when Bowen fails
lol - two down. It's a good thing we held on to Mines...for now. He'll be gone by this time next year, I can almost guarantee that
well deserved. this is not upsetting news, If we can't survive assistant coaches moving on to bigger roles then we aren't ready to be a big dog anyway
Totally agree.
... but given that we have never proven to absorb losses, particularly offensively, this is upsetting news. At least until proven otherwise
At what point does this become disturbing news.
Live look at my house...
We are by no metric a big dog program, and likely will never be with the ACC sinking fast. I'm just interested at this point in making a bowl game. And this isn't a good piece of news for a team trying to overhaul their offense from their worst outing statistically in over 30 years.
So much for the Football Enhancement Fund and bigger salary pool.
We have $1.75 mil less than Cincy to pay assistant coaches????
This is so damning of VT's football program. The glory days truly are behind us.
We just aren't a big time program. It's gotten worse under Babcock but no one wants to acknowledge. Football is the pits, basketball is mediocre at best, I just don't know what more to say. We say we are investing, and we are lapped by Cincy.
We screwed the pooch on our SEC invite and will likely never get that again. Enjoy it, VT admin! You got what you wanted, victory over the jocks!
Keep in mind our football program hasn't had a winning season since 2019. Tells you all you need to know about the direction of VT sports.
I agree we aren't a big time program and have never been, but gotten worse under Babcock? Basketball is light years better than it was prior to Whit. We've been to 5* straight NCAA tournaments under whit. VT had never been to 3 straight before Whit and hadn't been to back to back tournaments since the 80s. Those 5 appearances are 5 of our 13 appearance. He has been here for 9 years now and he has as many post season(NIT and NCAA) appearances for basketball,6, than Weaver did in his 18 years (5 NIT, 1 NCAA)
Top 15 WBB team this year, Top 25 Baseball team this year so far, Softball was ranked at the beginning of the season. Both softball and baseball hosted regionals last year. Men's Basketball won the 2022 ACC Tournament. I'm pretty sure wrestling, track and field have also been doing big things the past couple years. Also ain't soccer been doing well too.
Doesn't seem like the football team is the metric for the direction of VT sports, just the football program. IMO what caused this terrible timing of things in the football program is that Beamer stayed a couple years too long. I understand most people won't like or agree with that opinion but we didn't adjust to the arms race soon enough and when we changed staff it was apparent how far behind we were at that time and still are.
Agree this was a contributing factor... one of many.
I thi k most of the factors really start with Beamer, and that's not to say anything bad about him, that's just what history has proven over and over again. He was winning so why change the formula. Why use hudl or any modern recruiting when every coach in the state looks up to you. Frank spent 3 decades of investing his time to make the program happen, so why invest dollars if the return isn't much better than 30 years of hard work.
I had a job where I wouldn't let things fail so I worked insane hours and didn't do things the way I wanted to because I didn't have time, but because everything worked management never made changes, when I left they hired 4 people to do what I was doing. But me saying we need another person to do this work wasn't enough cause things were going great from their standpoint. VT didn't hire enough people cause Frank worked. We didn't modernize cause Frank worked.
Frank and Bud put VT on their shoulders and carried us to where the program got (not to dimish any players). Planning to build a program by hiring an alltime top 10 coach isn't going to work, but if you got one you can cut some corners. Now we have to fix those corners.
Good football allows you to dump money into other sports, its why the ACC is no longer the premier basketball conference. Super proud of the guys and gals recently but lets not even pretend sports that operate in the red every year across every college are the driving force of an athletic department. It is, always was, and always will be football as the metric
But yes I agree Beamer stayed too long
With hindsight, CFB should've retired after 2012
The question is not if it has gotten worse under Babcock, but rather, if it has gotten worse because of Babcock. I'd argue the former.
You know this decision was made by the previous president, when the previous AD, and previous football coach was here? That wasn't Sands, Babcock, Fuente or Pry
I agree, this is the frustrating part. I don't think there's an easy fix though (unless the next Mark Zuckerberg is a big VT fan).
I know Babcock and Sands had nothing to do with the SEC invite bungling in 2010/11. Horrific foresight by our administration back then and will likely go down as the worst decision in VT athletics history.
We just aren't in a position to regain our position as a national power in football, and it's becoming more and more apparent. Is this particular news the end of the world? No, but throw it on the heaping pile of bad momentum and evidence we are getting lapped. So frustrating. I know Beamer held on too long and we failed to keep momentum up in our best years, but we willingly hired Fu and watched as he cratered the program over the course of six years with little to nothing done until it was too late. I personally just can't get over that and it's my major rub against Whit, fair or unfair. VT football has completely died under his watch and I don't know if a turnaround is possible.
I get it. I disagree, but I get it.
We had a position of national power in football?
In the 2000s I believe most would agree we were a national football brand and power, ranked in the top 10 often and played in several major bowl games.
Brand I will give you, but power? Who was scared to play us? Who did we inflict out will upon, duke? Top teams must have loved to play us cause they always beat us and got bonus points for beating a ranked team.
We lost a lot of big games and definitely underperformed in bowls I'll grant you. But it's not like we never won any. We pummeled Saban and ranked LSU in Lane, went down to TAMU and beat a ranked Aggies team, beat a top ten Miami twice in Lane and in Miami in '04, beat a ranked Nebraska, ranked Clemson twice, gave a ranked WVU team their only loss of the year that went on to beat UGA in the Sugar Bowl in 2005.
That WVU game really doesn't count since Steve Slaton and Pat White didn't make the start, beating a team with a QB whose family is known of playing linebacker and he threw the ball about as well as you would expected a linebacker to play. We didn't beat the same team that played UGA.
True but the injured player angle works both ways. Vick doesn't get hurt in the 2000(?) season and we might have been playing in the Title game again- (and very probably would have beaten Miami at the least to go undefeated)
What injury angle? Pat white wasnt injured, he'd not plated a single down of college football before garbage time in this game. Your argument is more like UVA beat a VT team with Mike Vick in 1998. Of Mike Vick had played in 1998 it would have been a different year.
A fully healthy Mike wasn't beating that 2000 Miami team, they man handled us at every step. Mike Vick would be the best player on the field and the next 22 were all Miami players.
Not like today's blue bloods do, but yes. We may not have been the best program, but we respected as one of the top programs in the country. Now, in terms of national respect, we may as well be Boston College.
Never have been...
I think plenty of people acknowledge this. Whether or not it's really Babcock's fault is another debate. The decay of the program started before Babcock showed up on campus. Has he done enough to fix it quickly enough? Perhaps not. But I don't think he's totally responsible for the torpedo-ing of the program. He took the helm of an already sinking ship.
Football is the worst its been in decades. Agree. But Basketball (both men's and women's) is better than it has been in decades so I don't know where you're getting this idea. They are not (and never will be) blue-blood type programs but they are both miles ahead of where they were just 5 years ago.
1000%. We should have gone to the SEC when we had the chance and not doing so might be the worst decision ever made by VT athletics. But basically none of the folks in charge of that decision are still at VT...so...
As true and painful as this is, 2019 was only 4 years ago. That is, we are a pretty spoiled/privileged fanbase to expect winning seasons at the level we enjoyed in the late '90s and early '00s. Some programs (including historically dominant/storied programs) have long droughts. Going 4 years without a winning season isn't all that bad, especially for a program that is not, and never will be, a big powerhouse.
Here are a few examples of storied programs that had droughts
Alabama - from 2000-2007 Bama had only 2 winning seasons (and 2 winless seasons)
Michigan - from 1958-1967 Michigan only had 4 winning seasons (and 2 season with only 2 wins)
Tennessee - from 2008-2021 Tenn had 6 winning seasons (7 of the 8 losing seasons yielded 5 or fewer Ws)
Florida State - from 1973-1976 FSU had 0 winning seasons. From 2018-2021 FSU had yet another 4 year stretch of losing seasons.
Nebraska - from 1941-1961 Nebraska had a whopping 3 winning seasons. Including 2017, Nebraska has had 6 straight losing seasons. That streak could continue in 2023.
Texas - from 2014-2017 Texas had 3 straight losing seasons. Over those four seasons they went 23-27 which is pathetically mediocre for a program with as much history and money as they have.
VT is not and never will be anything like any of these above programs. But the fact that we have only had 4 losing seasons since 1993 is remarkable.
All of that to say this. The slide in the last few years has been disappointing and frustrating, for sure. But we've had a remarkable run given the profile of our program. We may never reach the levels we want but we have to be realistic about our station in the pecking order. College football is changing and I don't think VT is in position to take advantage of the current landscape. Beamer worked miracles for VT and the other edge of that double edged sword is that he created unrealistic expectations among us fans. I am thankful to have been a fan during Tech's glory years. I hope we get back to winning ways but I understand if we don't. The deck is stacked against us.
Recency bias
(especially wrt the men)
Are you suggesting that men's basketball was more successful under Weaver?
That's like suggesting that coconuts miGRATE! /s
Quite the opposite. I'm suggesting that the MBB program has overall been on the right path since Whit took over, after another bad year with Johnson and a rebuilding year under Buzz. It just seems to me that the "mediocre" comment comes at an odd after we have a down season this year after winning the ACC last year.
Given our entire basketball history, most of our coaches would love the "mediocrity" that our basketball team has "suffered" under Whit.
Sorry I misunderstood, for some reason I read your comment as implying the opposite.
Pretty sure they got a massive influx of $$ after they made the playoff, so don't think it's that surprising.
Edit, wrong thread.
While I originally thought the same thing, someone in another forum pointed out that Cincy is an anomaly. Their assistant pool is in blue blood range, even higher than Clemson's.
Satterfield's salary is also only $3.25m, which - when compared against USA Today's Salary Info (which has not been updated since early December) - puts him at about the 55th highest paid public school coach. That puts their total coaching payroll (~$9.75m) at 27th highest across all public schools (again, this is comparing against late 2022 numbers, which are by now outdated, so Cincy is likely lower than 27th overall).
VT's total coaching staff pay (HC Salary + Assistant Salary) at the end of 2022 (before Mines got his raise) was $9,697,000, which (at the time) was 28th among public schools.
TL;DR - Cincinatti and VT spending on coaches is very similar. Both are likely just inside the top 40/45 of FBS, and top 30/35 of public schools.
Maybe this will be another Fuente-to-Baylor moment that opens a few eyes with those that control the purse strings. OTOH we have hired an assistant pool with not much experience and their lower pay reflects that. Position coaches leaving for coordinator positions should not raise alarms and should be a testament to whomever selected the position coach (only thing worse than having your coaches stolen is having coaches nobody wants to steal). Position coaches making lateral moves should raise immediate red flags and our current coaches hopefully see raises as they prove their value.
I think you're conflating a guy making a vertical career move with us being unable/unwilling to pay for a quality coach.
Brad Glenn went from G5 OC @ GSU --> P5 QB Coach @ VT --> P5 OC @ Cincy (yes, Cincy is officially P5 now).
IMO Glenn's move is not a sign of our financial issues. However, you could argue that hiring an inexperienced OC (in Bowen) is a sign of our financial issues.
No that is what I meant, he is leaving a position coach job for a move up to coordinator. I don't think should raise any alarms, but a guy like Mines leaving to be WR Coach somewhere else should be concerning. I merely meant him heading to Cincy highlights their assistant pool pay and should be a point for those who pay attention to see the pace of coaching pay.
You could probably also argue that had we made Glen the OC originally half of the people on here would have freaked out about how g5 OCs don't cut it when you want to play big boy football
You're not wrong. But also, g5 experience and success is better than no experience. Glenn wouldn't have been a splash hire for OC but he would have been the more sensible hire to Bowen IMO. Bowen needed to prove that he was some sort of savant in year one and fell waaay short. He has a chance to redeem himself in '23 but I think it's highly unlikely. The OC hire puzzled me from the very beginning and I don't see it ending well for him. Failing to hire a seasoned OC is Pry's biggest blunder so far. How he corrects that will be interesting
Fuck those people. Chad Morris, Lincoln Riley, andy Ludwig, Garrett Riley, Phil longo, Jeff lebby, Kenny Dilingham, and many more all got their first coordinator job at the G5 (or lower) level
This is the same argument as the 2 star recruit. People remember the few that became stars and forget the hundreds that didn't.
No it's not all - there are roughly 1800 2-star recruits each year. In 2020, there were 17 2-star recruits on NFL rosters.
Here's a list of the top 25 of the top 25 play callers in college football (admittedly, this list is subjective, but I think most fans would agree its 'generally' correct enough). By my count, 12 of them OC'd at G5 (or lower level) school before becoming an FBS playcaller. Even if you believe that there are only 12 capable FBS playcallers who came from the G5 level, that's still 12 playcallers out of the 60ish G5 schools (assuming each G5 school has one offensive playcaller)... Do I really need argue that a 20% hit rate is different from <1% hit rate?
The point is, running a P5 program is different than running a G5 program - you're managing 2-3x as many employees, recruiting from a smaller sample of players with more competition, dealing with significantly more invasive media, etc - Other than the recruiting bit, most of this doesn't apply to a coordinator.
I understand if you are concerned about hiring a given G5 coordinator because you don't think he will be able to recruit. However, the argument that, by nature of being a G5 coordinator, an OC is less likely to succeed at the P5 level, is completely unfounded.
TL;DR: Brad Cornelson wasn't a bad coordinator because he's from the G5. Brad Cornelson was a bad coordinator because he doesn't understand how the read option works.
Half the people on here will freak out no matter what happens with anything or anyone ever. We could win a national championship in every sport but tennis and people would be whining about how Babcock "just isn't a tennis AD".
We have a tennis team?
Maybe if you supported them more they'd have a national championship by now.
Cinncinati actually has one of the higher assistant coach salary funds. I can't find the link to where it points it out and I think Bitter mentioned this in a response on The Athletic, but OSU is at $8.83, the highest in the nation. I think they actually have more than Clemson as well (Clemson had $6.55 for 2022, of course after venebles and elliotte left)
Being only $1.75 mil behind them isn't that bad when you look at the whole of college football. I don't think it's an indictment of the football program.
nobody is a big dog until they are a big dog. Still gotta act like you belong in the room.
But mostly, you have to belong in the room.
I'm terrified as to who we're going to get to replace him. He was one of our more experienced coaches...
Glenn was already the 5th highest paid QB coach only in the NCAA, for reference.
Source?
That's a very specific data point, would love to have that level of information.
Source
Interesting, thanks!
Kind of a misnomer...most OCs are also the QB coach. There aren't a lot of just QB position coaches in college football.
It looks like position coaches are hired based on past relationships. I see it with this Glenn Hire and also the way we got Tyler Bowen. I wish this was more on Merit and I'm questioning if we should have hired Bowen as an OC if he is not able to work with the QBs. I'm sure there were a handful of OCs at the G5 level and FCS we could have gone after including Glenn.
Most were skeptical of the Bowen hire from the beginning - not great to hire an inexperienced OC when you're a defensive minded head coach - but not much we can do about that now.
As far the hiring based on past relationships, part of this is just the nature of college football; there's not 'off season' for coaches where they can take their time interviewing candidates, so they have to make choices quickly. Due to the fishbowl nature of the sport, coaches typically do interviews mostly in secret, which adds another layer of complexity. The fact that these guys spend literally 80+ hours/week together means that being liked is important.
Honestly, it's not that different from other organizations in America. People typically hire people they've worked with before. If I had to build a team from scratch tomorrow, I know the first 5-10 people I'd reach out to immediately, and they're people I've worked with in the past who really impressed me.
All this to say, I don't think college football coaches hiring people they've worked with in the past is necessarily a bad thing.
Mixed feelings.
While I had more confidence in Glenn than Bowen to effect a turnaround on O this year, that's not exactly a huge endorsement.
He was Passing Coordinator for an O that was sub-100 in most passing categories and as QB coach, I certainly didn't feel like Wells made significant progress as the year went along.
Small sample size, didn't have "his" players, ect, ect---the stats were still not just bad, but dismal.
So while I think Glenn is probably at least a decent Offensive coach, he's not the kind of coach that I would lose sleep over leaving.
My bigger concern is who we can find to replace him, particularly this late and also if anyone with a strong resume is going to realistically consider coaching under a guy in Bowen who has minimal reputation as an OC.
Dude ran the hell out of the offense when he was at GA State. He's a good coach.
I thought we all learned a lesson about offenses that ran like hell at the G5 level and moving them to the P5 level.
We will never learn that lesson a long as Directional Nowhere State is putting up 40ppg and 500ypg
Mixed feelings is accurate. As an OC at GSU. he ran a potent RPO offense. His best QBs were great athletes that can run, but each had a mediocre completion rate. He made it easy for QBs with one or two reads per play.
I would think that a good QB coach would be a good coach of QB mechanics and development. Based on his history as OC and position coach, Glen doesn't have a resume as a good QB developer, but one that can turn an athlete into a competent to elite QB in an RPO system. This is why I believe Grant Wells regressed in a Hokie uniform, as Glenn didn't know how to coach a completion-first QB.
That said, VT is likely moving more towards an RPO system and Drones is a prototypical QB that has flourished under Glenn. So, the potential for Drones to become an elite RPO QB was there.
The question that remains is whether VT wants a QB coach that can develop passing mechanics and improve passing skills or an RPO-type QB coach that can teach how to read and run RPOs well? And which is better? Ideally, the QB coach is great at both, but well, where does VT find that coach?
Good ones here:
https://techlunchpail.com/blog/potential-candidates-to-replace-brad-glen...
Most intriguing is Jacksonville Jaguars Assistant QBs Coach Andrew Breiner: worked with Bowen under Joe Moorehead and has big time CFL and NFL experience.
John Donovan is on the list? Absolutely not. He turned a competent Washington offense into a dumpster fire in one year.
Breiner and Sunseti seem like much better options.
I still say we take a retired QB who has never been a coordinator at any level and give him a shot? Their are Manning brothers out there and Tom Brady. :P
Is Tyrod ready to retire yet? I think he'd make a great coach. He has experience in multiple systems and one would think he knows how to make a mobile QB successful.
/s kinda
Brandon Streeter (if we could get him) or Josh Gattis would be my votes from this list. Gattis based on his history with Pry and Bowen seems like a potentially good cultural fit, plus a Broyles award is a pretty good sign. Streeter has a long history in VA (Liberty & Richmond), experience as QB Coach at Clemson and some P5 OC experience (despite it not going well).
Both should be well qualified as a QB coach and can add to Bowen's offensive philosophy.
Streeter may not want to come back to Lane. Last time he was here Corey almost killed him. ESPN kept showing his parents in the stands.
I will say, our record when he is involved is very good.
Techsideline talking about how with Glenn out the picture we can appropriately rate Bowen having full control over the offense..
What they don't realize is that this offense is gonna suck no matter what unless we can upgrade the O Line somehow. Clements being injury free should be big help but other than that and maybe Ghannam starting early there are no real positives in that unit. Braelin Moore and Chaplain should be at best just as good as Jordan and Dzansi with slightly more time in the system.
There's degrees to sucking though. Being the 75th best offense would be a huge improvement, but would still 'suck', and be about as effective as the 2017 Fuente Offense.
Yeah def but it could still be possible that Bowen is a good coordinator and our offense is outside the top 80/90 next year, solely because of O Line play
This might contradict my previous comment, BUT if we're outside the top 90 (by SP+, which is the metric I use for basically everything), that will be a problem... We've upgraded at literally every skill position on Offense. If line play prevents us from improving, then there is an issue with Rudolph or Bowen, full stop. I'm not expecting a top 50 offense, but inside the top 80/90 should be manageable. We should be able to scheme around a weaker line by releasing the ball quickly, using option plays, rolling the QB out of the pocket, etc.
I do believe there is a relationship between the type of running back(s) and the perception of the O line. The team's average rush per attempt jumped from 4.1 to 5.6 between 2019 and 2020 with largely the same offensive line. I'm not saying Tuten is the next coming of Herbert or anything like that, but the same calls with largely the same line turned us back into a running school (for at least that season) - and yes I do understand 2020 was a total crap shoot year because of COVID,
If Bowen and Rudolph can get on the same page with the new personnel, I wouldn't be surprised to see our yards per attempt jump quite a bit from the.........what?..............3.1 yards per attempt?................that can't be right..................crap.
Okay, if we don't improve the run game from that horrid number this year I will be taking some time away for stress related reasons.
I was really hoping we could keep the offensive staff together for a couple of years, to see what they could do.
We just barely kept our WR coach.
Okay hold up -- how does "we retained our WR coach by giving him a deserved raise when other programs wanted him" turn into "we barely kept" him. If he wanted to leave, he'd have left
Did you read the Teel article? We have Mines a 54% raise and he only stayed because he personally like Pry and likes being in Virginia. As our coaches prove themselves we are going to lose more. That's normal in college football for every coach but Beamer.
This still all seems more like a good sign for the program and what Pry says he's building and less like the sky is falling to me. Not saying that you specifically said the sky was falling, but I think that's how some are taking this.
We were able to identify that he's worth keeping, we were able to find the money to keep him, we have a HC that people want to work for, and we have assistants that like the area. Seems like a recipe for success in Blacksburg to me.
The original comment. I don't see any staff especially one like ours only paying in the 35-45 range keeping an entire offensive staff together for years. That's just not realistic.
If the play improves, and the wins improves, I think Sands and Babcock will make the money for coaches improve. Most of those coaches have win total, bowl eligibility, wins, clauses that provide bonuses.
I did read the Teel article (link). It makes a point of saying we'd never win a bidding war with PSU. (He's right)
Mines earned and had leverage for a 54% raise, got it, and didnt leave because he likes being here. He almost left? He didn't because he likes being here. He could have left for more money? He likes being here and gave Pry the opportunity to keep him and didnt leave.
That's not "barely keeping"
That's a solid quote. He also might be the first Hoo to ever admit to like being at VT.
And despite the fact that he likes Pry and likes being in VA, the raise shows that the staff and school value him as a coach and are invested in him as well.
So we losing Rudolph now too? Anyone hearing that?
Edit: fuck shit.
Where are you hearing this from? Sauces??
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