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I've gone to Spring game page and searched high and low. Does anyone know if we need tickets this year?

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Why isn't the spring game on TV (not internet) even reruns. It's the same damn reruns of shows except for a couple of spring games.

Wet stuff on the red stuff.

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I was really worried for a second when I checked the ACC Network's lineup for that day and saw UVA's spring game will be aired instead of ours, but looks like there are a ton of spring games that day and everyone else ended up on ACCNX. I'm just happy I'll get to watch it lol

Latest info definitely says ACCNX. Just checked the local guide for the DC metro and ACCN will be broadcasting the UVA Spring Game at that time 🤮

I guess they figure most UVA fans will be at home, while Lane will be bumping.

That, and In general the DC area gets surprisingly little coverage of VT sports. Plenty of TV coverage on Saturdays, but outside of The Sports Junkies (now) we never get any kind of mention on the local TV or radio stations - its all UVA, GMU, UMD, and Georgetown.

As a DC resident, I listen to football and basketball games, pre and postgame content, and Tech Talk Live all on 106.7 The Fan. And as you pointed out, The Junkies have been talking Tech more the past couple years.

Agree that the local TV news coverage is predominantly UMD, Geogetown, and Mason though.

It's not a DC thing, its ACCN's national broadcast

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Just like our game against ECU in 2007, this is the first football event since the shooting and deaths of 3 UVA players. I don't have a problem with them being featured this weekend over us.

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So wait, will the spring game be televised/streamed? Or are you saying it won't be?

It will be streaming on ACCNX along with several other spring games that day.

I hope they show a replay on ACC Network some time this week. What else are they gonna show? The 1000th airing of 3 Day Weekend or ACC Traditions?

On the schedule for April 20th.

Yep, Thursday, April 20 at 11:am for those looking to DVR it.

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I sent an email to the hokiesports general questions account on Saturday and have heard crickets. Hopefully that's just due to the holiday weekend. Crazy that the Spring Game page doesn't look like it's been updated since January.

I don't think there is a "Spring Game page" at least not one that I've found. The link OP posted is just to an article about the Spring Game that came out in January, so we might need a mod to edit it so more people don't get confused.

added to OP, thx

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Free.

In lieu of paying for tickets, they are encouraging fans to donate to VT's NIL fund.

Has anyone actually signed up for the "Spring Game mobile RSVP" stuff? I haven't done it as I'll just be watching online, but I'd imagine that will tell you all you need to know about tickets. Here's a link -- Hokie Sports Spring Game RSVP

A little late this year, but info none the less!

I don't get this line of thinking... Charge $5-10/person for the game, put proceeds towards NIL fund AND give people option to donate to NIL fund.... Seems like a slam dunk idea vs. just one option.

And no, just like last year, charging $5-10/person (possibly more if they wanted to) won't deter people going to game when they are already spending 100's of dollars for travel, food, drinks, lodging, etc. expenses.

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I think they are scared to charge anyone for this after the absolutely atrocious year we just had. This probably isn't going to be the biggest crowd anyway.

Maybe agree to disagree, but even with atrocious year, IMO they shouldn't be "scared" to charge people $5-10/person. People who always have gone and/or want to go, will still go regardless of last year's results.

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Not sure the school is allowed to collect funds for NIL, but they can direct you to the collective.

Well they still can charge for the game and put proceeds to coaching/recruiting staff or other football needs. Doesn't HAVE to be NIL funds

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My assumption is the sponsor is covering what revenue they would have generated if they had charged a small fee. Classic Win-win-win

if that's the case, that's good then!... I guess where I come from is a team in a league that lacks in funds compared to other conferences, anytime you can generate cash for your cash cow, you do it.

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You can't use ticket or concession money for NIL. This is the very awkward workaround.

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Does anyone know if the Lions Club lot is open for spring game?

Just a taste, Tuten making Kelli Lawson look like a walk on in a one on one drill.

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I have a feeling Tuten and Thomas are going to be a handful as a 1-2 punch at RB. Tuten looks extremely impressive.

Looked a lot more like a Lawson goof than Tuten doing anything crazy, but I'm not an expert.

And I know it has nothing to do with actual tape but Devin Farrell throws the ball so cleanly I'm low key rooting for him to start or break into the top 2. He's also pretty good with the read option and looks to be an elusive runner. Passes my low IQ eye test with flying colors

RB understanding how to RB is a big positive step. Watch out gentlemen. He may not be an all time great, but unless he gets hurt, he will be effective.

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I remember saying (think others did as well) that Herbert would be serviceable. But you nailed it, he knew how to RB...found his lane and exploded. Hopefully Tuten will do the same.

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Just a roll call... I donated $25 to the Triumph NIL in lieu of buying spring game tickets. Do the same if you can.

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$25 to The Hokie Way out of respect for French. I didn't want cheese getting anywhere near his donation.

I have but a vague idea of what Hokie Way is; however, they have $25 more dollars because I trust French's advice on this.

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VT has 3 choices:

  • Triumph NIL - the NIL that acts like an agency and provides the VT student athletes real marketing opportunities; also involved in guiding in athletes in the NIL landscape; it includes former players Kevin Jones and Brendan Hill as partners.
  • Commonwealth NIL - Membership based; as part of membership you get to go to various exclusive athlete events; most similar to Hokie Club in NIL form
  • The Hokie Way - Nonprofit NIL; provides athletes paid opportunities to perform charitable work; donations are tax deductible

Note: Links to each NIL are above by clicking on the NIL name

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What's the parking situation usually like for a spring game? Just find a spot anywhere on or around campus?

pretty much the same as every football game but less crowded.

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No Lot 18...

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I think it will be very important to look at individual performance in context. If they split offensive lines, the lack of depth is going to make some position guys look bad (quarterback, RBs, receiver opportunities). Focus on who is getting run and targets, and how guys look in doing their own job when making assessments about their improvement this spring.

Guys who will be under my microscope- K. Moore at center. Tuten. Lane and Moss at WR. whoever the fourth DT who gets reps (Pene or Madison.) MIKE linebacker. How Canteen is utilized (corner or nickel.)

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Sitting here watching the ACCNX logo and theme over and over waiting got me thinking. There is a person who was actually paid money to compose and record this little theme. And there must be an actual album of little ACC themes somewhere in their full glory.

Came here to post the same exact thing. Man that was brutal.

The soundtrack of mediocrity. I need it lol.

That's a fucking cheat code lol

That's a read we weren't consistently seeing from Wells last year.

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Like the decisiveness out of wells so far. Seems fairly accurate too.

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Well I'm not going to lie, and take this with a huge grain of salt since it's spring game. But I thought Bowen called that first drive surgically. Every play felt like it made sense. In a real game don't like taking Tuten out but it's spring. And Wells finally taking a keeper and running it in for the score caught the D off guard. I was very impressed with the playcalling on that opening drive. It flowed and made sense.

I thought the same thing... then I immediately started worrying about the defense.

I agree with Eddie Royal. No way he scores if he is live.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

It's going to be tough to evaluate Drones if his OL gets worked like this all day.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Yeah it's clear he's running with the 1.5 team.

My thought as well..seems we barely have 5 we trust...I think the 2nd string is largely a hope and a prayer.

Coaches have basically said we have 4 guys we trust lol

So basically Situation Normal, no leeway for the injury bug to hit.

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Drones would have housed that if this was live. Damn very decisive keep on that read.

The new helmets look interesting. Almost like there are 2 layers of protection when you see from front.

They are humongous. Like Wes Welker's concussion helmet huge.

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I believe those are 'add on' practice protection. You'll notice drones doesn't have it cause he's non-contact. I think the nfl requires these now for all practices.

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Would love to see the data behind them. (Wife's currently getting her PHD in epidemiology from chapel hill right now...I'm have an "in" into the numbers game, yall).

I'm all for anything positive...but I feel like these are complete bullshit.

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There's lots of discussion about the "guardian caps" that the NFL requires for practice/preseason:

https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/large-bubble-helmets-are-guardian-c...

It's a soft shell that straps around players' helmets. According to the NFL, the Guardian Cap results in at least a 10% reduction in severity of impact if one player is wearing it, and at least a 20% reduction in impact if two players in a collision are wearing it.

Also remember that VT has a helmet testing lab and they rate pretty much all kinds of helmets and collect data from the helmets our players use. So I feel like whatever we're doing is pretty strongly motivated by data, some of which is collected on campus.

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My hottest take today: this should be the Maroon vs Orange game. One team in All maroon everything, the other in all orange everything. QBs can wear all white.

Second this

We need to put quite a bit more weight on Holloway.

He looks the same size as last year, going to have to hit some summer weights.

Plan for the worst and hope for the best, not the other way around.

Gosnell looking real good.

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I will gladly eat crow. Wells is in perfect sync with his receivers. He is anticipating them breaking routes and hitting in stride. Wow.

If this keeps pace where it's at:

1) Wells has improved. He looked good last year in spring but he is noticeably more in sync and comfortable with his wideouts.

2) They took Tuten out quick. Lol that guy is going to be good

3) Drones probably has higher physical upside but want to see him behind Wells' line to fairly judge.

4) Bowen's playcalling is very surgical. It flows and haven't seen anything that I've said wow that was dumb.

Drones looks like he needs to settle in a bit

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That may be tough with how little time his OL is giving him lol

Maroon offensive line is looking good. Guys seem to be getting into the 2nd level of the defense often

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Would love to see the QBs switch teams for the 2nd quarter.

Is coronavirus over yet?

This definitely would've been the right move

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So I think we're seeing that there isn't much depth in this team.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Disclaimer: it's spring

But man, Wells looks very solidly to be QB1 in my mind. He looks really, really comfortable and in sync with his guys. Bring me some crow and I'm ready to eat.

Early FWIW takeaways...

Offense looks cohesive to a level well beyond anything we saw last year.

OL and DB are gonna be huge problems if there are any significant injuries. The 2nd strings there look very rough.

I mean, if we need DBs. ☝️☝️☝️

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Love the back and forth between Eddie and Brandon.

I'd love to be a lurker on their trash talk group chat.

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Gallo just came down super awkward plus got nailed in the back.

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Yeah our OL is going to be rough again...Drones has nothing to work with.

I believe he has the 2nd team OL on the white team.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

It's really hard to see how good Drones is with the way his O-Line is playing...but Wells looks solid so far.

The RBs are making some nice plays in the passing game today. I'm feeling cautiously optimistic about our RB group.

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Bobbled catch by Jennings, slightly behind by Drones. Should've been caught but tight throw. Kind of call no fault on that int.

Also seeing young DBs making plays makes me smile.

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Loving the accuracy out of Wells right now. That throw just now where he stepped up in the pocket and threw a bullet to the sideline was great.

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Yeah...I'm coming out of this spring squarely with Wells as QB1. Drones needs a fair shake but it's apparent Wells is in control of the pass game.

I think Wells will have a much shorter leash this year however. Drones physical upside is apparent. Though he doesn't have the same comfort/mastery in the pass game yet. I find myself wishing I could have Wells arm/timing and Drones' build and playmaking ability. It's like something is missing watching both.

Wells looks ALOT more comfortable to me right now than he did last year. And that's with the defense basically knowing hes not gonna be really running with the no contact thing....

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He has looked better today, but he has shown some indecisiveness in the last two possessions. I'm hoping that it's the white defense stepping up. It is still Spring.

I also think we are largely seeing the 1 O vs 2 D and 2 O vs 1 D IMO.

I thinks this is generally correct with the exception of a few players that were probably 1a and 1b and they just split them up. I'll wait for French's film revoew though...

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The defense is split up a little more than the offense I think.

"I'm too drunk to taste this chicken" - Colonel Sanders via Ricky Bobby

Man Drones' upside is apparent. He looks big, athletic, and has thrown up a few nice passes. Really really want to see him on Wells' team in this game for a fair shake.

Also I see Coney getting some significant time. Think they may be evaluating him. He is going to be good. I feel good about RB at this moment.

Black has shown some pop.

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Almost every presser someone had mentioned Coney. I really want to see him get some action.

Dang another contested/bobbled catch by Jennings from Drones. Feel like Drones has two unfair picks on him. Tight throws but bobbled both times by Jennings.

get that kid some stick'em

Let's break up the thread: what's everybody's drink for the spring game??

For me a few Busch Lattes, water, and now another Busch.

Flying dog the truth imperial ipa. 8.7%

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One of my all time favorites IPAs! Dangerous too, it's so tasty and drinkable that the high ABV will sneak up on you fast.

Also, pro-tip to try at some point if you haven't - get Flying Dog's Bloodline IPA and do a 50-50 mix with Truth. Adds a bit more citrus and leads to a mellower beer overall.

Hazy Little Thing

And Miller Light

Dogfish Head 60 Minute.

Also, Busch lattes sound awful.

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It is. I'm truly ashamed at myself...but I like it.

A little Tahoe OG Kush and some Gorilla Glue.

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I was wayyyy too hungover to drink during the game. So typical Saturday for me, I'm struggling to keep up with Midwestern drinkers lol

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Not even one Busch latte?

I was too hungover to even find that funny

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Late to the party...but not the drinks

New Belgium Atomic Citrus

Freakin money, brah!

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Drones needs to stride when he throws ball. Threw an out that skipped to receiver, should have been able to get the ball on target.

Ho-Lee-Crap. Pop Watson got some wheels my friends.

Bring on the QB controversy!

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Wow.

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Andre' Davis is my all time favorite Hokie player. I would also love to see him and Eddie Royal as a broadcasting team.

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I'll always love Andre. I remember as a kid his last game the 2002 gator bowl against the 'Noles and us losing and and me crying and my dad consoling me. I said but "Andre's gone!!" What s great player and Hokie ambassador for the program.

That guy could sell a refrigerator to a polar bear. Get him on the recruiting trail please. Or out raising money, I would pay to listen to him speak. Find that man a job, pay him well and you can't go wrong.

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Andre Davis is the shit. Talking 'our identity' 'we' 'us'. Love it.

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Eddie Royal is very well spoken. Edit: So is Andre Davis.

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And Eddie has not been shy about giving his opinion.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

We need to use Watson with some wildcat stuff this year if he doesn't redshirt. Guy can clearly run AND throw. Probably can receiver/jet sweep as well. I can see why his nickname is 'Pop'.

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Arguably, we can run Drones and redshirt Watson

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True also.

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Literally just logged in to post this same thing...leg for you sir.

For you my friend

After rewatching those two interceptions, Jennings owes his QB a beer.

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At the very least the roster has a ton more skill position guys as options. Holloway and Gosnell are very much improved, Felton is a guy with a ton of upside. Any sign of Lofton today? Feel like we heard from just about every receiver but him.

I also think we have 6 pretty decent quarterbacks. Watson could end up being a star, would not be surprised if he played his way into being the solid #3 this year.

Was inactive today.

Wish we could have seen Drones/Wells switch in Second Quarter. This game was much like last year with J. Brown with twos with the caveat that Wells looked better this year.

Did anyone else hear the comment early on when Eddie said Pry told him that Gosnell might be the best receiver on the team? Was surprised to hear that.

His ability to get separation was evident today. Looked like he was covered by Delane on a few of those. That was one of the things that stood out to me. His route running and ability to separate. I still think Ali Jennings is really going to help us this year, Drones forced those two into a tight window that Jennings didn't catch. One of the plays that stood out for me was the one where Farrell overthrew him where he had both corner and safety beat by 5 yards. Felton was impressive too. Big bodied with ability to go over the middle. Benji Gosnell looked good too.

Big takeaway on defense, we need a legitimate edge rusher. Varner really screwed us by taking up that roster spot when we could've been looking for one. Hopefully Jennette can be that guy but otherwise we'll need to add one.

Also not impressed with the linebacker play allowed huge chunk plays from the running game. Secondary looked just okay, the starters played decent, nonstarters just okay

That's the problem with the spring game. Is our running game improved, or are our linebackers just worse?

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Sitting here waiting on a French review for answers to that very question. I saw a few traps. Seemed like we went to Zone blocking. One thing that seemed promising to me was it looked like some linemen were getting to the second level when Pollard, Kendricks, and Fuga were out there. Didn't see much of that last year.

If the linebackers are the issue Stone Snyder should help when he gets here in the fall. Should be a reliable option ready to play immediately if the younger guys aren't as developed

He may be the answer, definitely need some beef, there was a lot of arm tackling out there. Lbs can't play grab ass

I was impressed with Wells, much less so with Drones. I kind of figured when Drones came in that it was more of a long play with the potential to push Wells, but just like last year he's not the greatest qb but he's the best on the roster. Bullock was disappointing, Watson popped, Farrell was decent, and Wittke looked better than I expected.

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I will be surprised if Bullock is on the roster a week from now.

Plan for the worst and hope for the best, not the other way around.

It definitely makes sense for him to go. Has the same amount of eligibility as Drones and looks like he'll be behind him this year.

I really hope none of the other guys leave though. Got plenty of eligibility and with injuries you never know what the depth chart will look like at any moment during the season. Hope they stay and battle it out, and we'll have several good options in '24 and '25

behind Drones? He's behind every QB we saw yesterday. After what Pop Watson did yesterday Ferrell might hit the portal as well. Wittke looked competent too. Bullock was the only QB that looked bad and I can't imagine Pry wants to tie up a scholly on the 6th string QB.

Plan for the worst and hope for the best, not the other way around.

Transferring because of Pop Watson would be a terrible idea lmao. He's 5'10 180 a true freshman and had one good throw and good run yesterday. Farrell should definitely stay as a r-Fr, he very likely could have higher upside than Pop being a few inches taller and likely more durable, also has great speed and throws a good ball.

I don't believe Bullock is below all of the QB's on the roster and don't thunk he's a lock to transfer. I'd say he's probably 3rd based on where he started, and there's likely less separating Drones, Bullock, Farrell and Watson than most people would believe

I thought Farrell threw some nice passes. I hope he stays. We need to see some more of him to see how he handles things.

I'm surprised he's still on the team right now

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Watson was a surprise and loved some better wr play but the RBs looked better this year. Would like to see better separation from the wideouts this year and didn't see enough of that today.

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I thought all the backs looked better. Elijah Brooks has come in and made an immediate impact. Even Coney looked faster than I expected. I thought he would be more in a Stephen Peoples "run you over" type of player, but he has speed.

I thought he would be more in a Stephen Peoples "run you over" type of player, but he has speed.

Both qualities would be nice to have in a single RB

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Coney has close to elite burst and some breakaway speed. Chance doesn't have that extra gear imo. I think Coney is a sleeper to contribute big if he can do the usual for a 1st year RB - learn the offense and pass block.

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I won't be surprised by anything this year. We could drastically improve and still go 0-12. Extremely difficult schedule.

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Extremely difficult schedule.

... you're joking right? Fsu and ncst are probably the scariest teams on our schedule. But I think this schedule falls way way short of "extremely difficult"

It's not the easiest schedule we've had recently (because we have had some laughably easy schedules in the last 6 years) but it's also not a gauntlet.

Odu, Rutgers, Marshall, Syracuse, Louisville, and Virginia would have been considered automatic wins for VT just 10 years ago. And none of those teams (okay, maybe Marshall) have improved much in the last 10 years. We just got a lot worse. But these are absolutely winnable games for a competent team.

I think our schedule sets up nicely for a 6+ win year if our offense can figure things out and our defense at least matches what they did last year. Those are big questions, though. Particularly on offense.

Onward and upward

Nearly all of these are things we were saying last year. The last 5 years, in fact.

We had an easy schedule though.

Considering how the season went, "extremely difficult" seems fair to me

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Grant Wells, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

I mean, is there no middle ground? Our schedule is either the "easiest it's been in decades" or "extremely difficult"?

I just don't buy that. This coming season's schedule is tougher than last year, I think. But that's not a terribly high bar to clear. I think it's still a much more manageable schedule than probably at least 50% of the P5 teams will have.

I'm purely talking about sos and not so much relating it to how good or bad I expect VT's team to be.

I think by the end of the year when we see the cumulative records of all our opponents we'll be disappointed if we can't manage 5 or 6 wins. There just are a lot of really beatable teams, even for us.

Onward and upward

If we improve enough to be near middle ground in anything, I'll be ecstatic.

I'm purely talking about sos and not so much relating it to how good or bad I expect VT's team to be

I have a very hard time caring about SOS when we won 3 games last year. Saying the schedule is easier seems silly when there's a high likelihood the team will still find it difficult. The difference between that and an actually-difficult schedule is negligible enough to me that I don't feel like putting effort into pointing it out.

Anyway, I'm way off in the weeds here. We might have an easier schedule, and for the 2nd year in a row the team might not be good enough for that to matter. Hence my feeling that "extremely difficult" is a fair take to have at this point in the offseason.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Grant Wells, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

I think one of you is evaluating sos from an objective viewpoint (is this a difficult schedule for the average team) and the other is viewing it subjectively (is this a difficult schedule for the 2023 Hokies).

You're both right, from your points of view, I think. This would not be an extremely difficult schedule for many P5 teams this year, but based on last year's performance against an objectively weaker schedule, this will be a much more difficult group of opponents than Tech faced last year and only managed 3 wins.

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Exactly, was going to comment something similar. I think it's underrated just how incredibly weak last year's schedule was. Any decent team would expect to go at least 8-3

Ironically the only team we played with half a pulse was one of our closest games, at NC State

Agree that the schedule isn't 'extremely difficult,' but of our 12 regular season games, there's not many obvious wins... reposting a comment from earlier this year:

Man, none of these games feel like gimmes. I could see this team being much improved from last year, but still getting 4ish wins.

Chance of winning, pure gut not science involved:

  • BC, UVA, and ODU - 80% chance of winning --> 2.4 wins
  • Syracuse, Marshall, Rutgers - 60% chance of winning --> 1.8 wins
  • Purdue, Louisville, Wake (without Sam Hartman), NC St (without Devin Leary) - 50% chance of winning --> 2 wins
  • Pitt - 35% chance of winning --> .35 wins
  • FSU - 10% chance of winning --> .1 wins

That's a total of 6.65 wins... which feels high. I don't know what to think of Purdue (switching from an offensive to a defensive coach) or Louisville (upgrading their coach). Wake is a tough opponent to prepare for. I don't have a good read on Rutgers; I assume they are better than their record, and their division is insanely tough. I (still) underestimate Pitt each season. I'm high on FSU this season.

Feels like our ceiling is 7 wins, our floor is 3 wins, and we'll get 5ish?

I think 7 wins for this team would be a huge success. But it wouldn't be considered a very successful season for teams that aspire to win championships.

I think there is a difference of opinion on the definition of schedule strength in this subthread. I'm not saying that we should expect 6+ wins because our schedule is manageable.

I think our schedule is pretty easy relative to other schedules across college football. But I wouldn't call it an easy schedule for this VT team, necessarily. I want to stay away from assigning strength of schedule relative to the perceived strength of our specific program because that's just too much of a moving target.

I think it paints a much more accurate picture of where our program is in the pecking order to evaluate how the team does relative to other teams by using a metric that relates to all the teams.

If we say that we won 5 games but it was against an "extremely difficult" (for us) schedule when in reality the schedule was relatively easy (compared with other programs across cfb) that moves the posts to allow more leeway for bad coaching (which is kinda how we got here). I think it's akin to the loser mentality.

Is our schedule extremely difficult? No. Is it extremely difficult for this team? I hope not, but if it is, we're in real trouble for the future.

Onward and upward

Totally agree. Im guessing we have Probably a top 40-60 most difficult schedule in fbs. Not what I'd call extremely difficult.

If we say that we won 5 games but it was against an "extremely difficult" (for us) schedule when in reality the schedule was relatively easy (compared with other programs across cfb) that moves the posts to allow more leeway for bad coaching (which is kinda how we got here). I think it's akin to the loser mentality.

If this part was directed at me, it shouldn't be. I've never been afraid to call out bad coaching, and I will, um, strongly disagree with the loser mentality bit as well.

If we lose 7+, then the schedule was hard, even if it was "easy." It just seems like a useless distinction to make.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Grant Wells, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

It wasn't directed at you. I recognize that you and I have differing viewpoints on SOS. I think both are valid. You think the schedule is difficult relative to our team (and how we performed last year) and that is true. I think the schedule strength should be viewed more in terms of how strong (or weak) it is relative to the rest of college football. That is, how would the average team stack up against this schedule?

If we lose 7+, then the schedule was hard

This is the part I struggle with, though. If a team loses 7+ games it could be because their schedule was hard OR it could be because they are a bad team. You could say that their schedule was hard for them, specifically, (because, objectively, that is the case) but that changes the narrative and pats the team on the back for having a hard schedule without acknowledging that they were actually just a bad team. If Florida loses 7+ games but they played against Tennessee, Georgia, South Carolina, LSU, Arkansas, Missouri, FSU, and Kentucky it would be fair to say that they played a pretty difficult schedule and they might be a better team than, say, a 7 win ACC team that plays against Duke, UVA, VT, UNC, Miami, GT, Louisville, etc. Whereas, if a team like Marshall loses 7+ but their opponents were Albany, VT, ODU, ECU, Ga State, Ga Southern, JMU, Arkansas State, etc. then that is probably because they are actually just a bad team.

The reason I don't like framing this schedule as "extremely difficult" is because if this team struggles against this schedule and we believe that it was because it was difficult we are blinded to the fact that we're just a bad team. I think it is good (healthy, even) to acknowledge when we're not a good team rather than trying to divert attention from that by patting ourselves on the back because the schedule was hard. If it was a schedule that would have been hard for anybody, even Georgia, then I'd feel less bad about losing 7 games. But if its a schedule that a team like Boston College could cruise to 8 wins on then I'm not going to feel good about it at all.

I recognized that VT isn't a very good team right now and I want the team to get better. I want VT to compete for ACC championships. We're not going to get there if we don't win games against the caliber of team that makes up basically our entire schedule. But if we lie to ourselves that this schedule is very difficult it makes it somehow okay if we lose 7 games and that is why I think it is akin to the loser mentality.

Onward and upward

The reason I don't like framing this schedule as "extremely difficult" is because if this team struggles against this schedule and we believe that it was because it was difficult we are blinded to the fact that we're just a bad team.

Except for the fact we're calling it "extremely difficult" because VT is a bad team. There is no blindness there, just an adjusted threshold for the definition of difficulty because VT is that bad right now.

I don't think anyone believes that Purdue, Pitt, WF, SU, UL, and NCSU are elite opponents, just that they are better than VT right now. They had ostensibly better 2022 seasons than the Hokies and most had better seasons than the Hokie's opponents of 2022. I also don't think that anyone says a 6-6 outcome against this schedule is remarkable for CFB as a whole, because it clearly would not be, but does show a remarkable improvement over 2022. For many fans, 6-6 would be acceptable for 2023, but not 2025. It's about perspective on the current situation, not absolute objectivism.

And no one is confusing a 6-6 record in the SEC with 5 losses against the top 25 and a 6-6 record if the 6 loses are against Purdue, Pitt, WF, SU, UL, and NCSU.

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Really liked the play of some of the younger guys in the secondary. Mose Phillips was one that stood out to me. I remember watching his film and thinking he reminded me of a young Kam. He has a heavy shoulder and doesn't seem to shy from contact. Made a lick on Felton over the middle that stopped probably our biggest receiver in his tracks. His closing speed and lack of fear were evident. Led with the shoulder nicely. Phillips with another year and some playing time should slip nicely into Peoples safety spot next year.

Mose will be a DBU level player for the Hokies before he is done - mark it down.

Feels like there's some talent/depth at QB, WR, and RB. Low key excited for 2023.

Also, really cool to hear from Andre Davis. Listening to him talk makes me proud to be a Hokie, and its awesome he's going to be part of the Athletic Department in some capacity. Sounded like a student athlete support/engagement type role.

Anyone have a link/video of the Andre Davis comments? I had to go before he came on.

Any way to replay the game?

It should be up on ESPN now.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

The other thread has all the plays. But you don't get the commentary and guests. You need to watch the replay on ESPN to see everything. It's worth the extra time just to watch Eddie and Flowers and to hear Andre.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

I guess the spring game you want the guests but I see removing the commentary as a bonus

I agree. Normally the commentary is just a distraction. I sometimes wonder if the commentators are watching the same game I am. But I thought Eddie Royal was good. And the interplay with Brandon Flowers was outstanding. And the segment with Andre was very good. Maybe one of the tech whiz guys on here could cut those out for everyone.

Doesn't matter if it's cake or pie as long as it's chocolate.

ACC Network is scheduled to air the game 4/20 at 11 am ET, 4/25 at 1 am ET, and 4/27 at 1 pm ET, if you're interested.

Interesting that Brody Meadows worked LT with first team OL. He looks massive. Chaplin was out btw. Also, Garrett, Ghanham, Hammer, sure look the part as OT's.

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

...and Lance Williams- hot take is he's next in line with Jacke Grove and Wyatt Teller as a total masher....that dude was intense with the flowing locks. He hobbled off to the bench with an ankle, and was distraught bangin his helmet on the ground and yelling to the point his teammates were trying to calm him down.. - the second half of a spring game

'Its easy to grin, when your ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat,
but the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat'

Overall I'm pleased with the game.

Nice to see young prospects showing up: Mose Phillips, Pop watson, Benji Gosnell, Brody Meadows
The transfers with some bright spots: Bayshal Tuten, Derek Canteen, Quan Felton
Also Improvements among returning Players: Stephen Gosnell, Holloway, Wells

Hoping our guys stay Healthy from now till end of Fall Camp. Only disappointment was seeing Christian Moss in a Cast. Coach Pry was very big on him, I hope he continues on that trajectory after he comes back

Hokies, Local Soccer, AFC Ajax, Ravens

let's hope they stay healthy after fall camp too

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