Didn't see this posted yet so here you go!
The men will be playing at Auburn and the ladies get a rematch of the Final Four playing at LSU. Big opportunities for some quality wins for the women playing LSU and Iowa early in the season.
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Men's matchups:
Tuesday, Nov. 28
LSU at Syracuse (7 p.m.)
Missouri at Pittsburgh (7 p.m.)
Mississippi State at Georgia Tech (7 p.m.)
Notre Dame at South Carolina (7 p.m.)
Miami at Kentucky (7:30 p.m.)
NC State at Ole Miss (9 p.m.)
Clemson at Arkansas (9:30 p.m.)
Wednesday, Nov. 29
Tennessee at North Carolina (7:15 p.m.)
Texas A&M at Virginia (7:15 p.m.)
Florida at Wake Forest (7:15 p.m.)
Duke at Arkansas (9:15 p.m.)
Virginia Tech at Auburn (9:15 p.m.)
Georgia at Florida State (9:15 p.m.)
Boston College at Vanderbilt (9:15 p.m.)
Women's matchups:
Wednesday, Nov. 29
Notre Dame at Tennessee (5 p.m.)
Florida at Georgia Tech (5 p.m.)
Vanderbilt at NC State (7:15 p.m.)
Miami at Mississippi State (7:15 p.m.)
Louisville at Ole Miss (9:15 p.m.)
Thursday, Nov. 30
Missouri at Virginia (5 p.m.)
Duke at Georgia (5 p.m.)
South Carolina at North Carolina (7 p.m.)
Arkansas at Florida State (7 p.m.)
Alabama at Syracuse (7 p.m.)
Boston College at Kentucky (7 p.m.)
Virginia Tech at LSU (9 p.m.)
Texas A&M at Wake Forest (9 p.m.)
Clemson at Auburn (9 p.m.)
So let me get this straight. They get paid more than their worth for football and now get basically free clout off of our basketball. While we get a downgrade from the Big 10 challenge and ESPN gets our rights at a bargain
Bingo
I'm not sure the SEC is a downgrade from
The BIG10 these days in basketball on the men's or women's side
As far as matchups with good programs it is a downgrade though.
The SEC is growing in hoops, the ACC is already established. An SEC team getting Duke/UNC/UVA on their schedule helps them way more than vice versa. Kentucky is the only team that comes close to those in national profile. It would be more than fair if we could get some kind of deal to schedule more games with them in football but we aren't getting that
The ACC already schedules the most football games with the SEC and vice versa. But more is better.
Yeah but that's because of the 4 protected rivalries, we should definitely have more games throughout the league with teams that don't play every year
There are six SEC teams in the ESPN 23-24 Top 30 (Top 25 + Next Up). There are 3 ACC schools. Duke, UNC and Miami are the ACC schools. SEC has Tennessee, Alabama, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Kentucky, and Florida. Also keep in mind Texas and Oklahoma join the SEC next season so that improves this matchup long term.
In terms of recruiting, in the 23 class ranking the SEC has 6 teams in the top 30 and the ACC has 5 teams.
While historically the ACC has been the stronger basketball conference, the football revenue differential has allowed the SEC to invest heavily in improving their basketball programs.
Doesn't matter. Clout comes from championship level and historic programs like Duke UNC and more recently UVA. The SEC are absolutely the ones gaining here.
Yes they're growing hoops and this will help them do that while being a downgrade matchup wise for us
Yup, no matter how much the SEC grows they will still lose in March like always. I'd rather have an ACC - Big 12 challenge so we can play the good teams.
What good teams? Big 12 is about to be reduced to Kansas, Baylor and Iowa State with off and on good years from OK St, KSU and WVU.
Texas and Oklahoma leave next year.
Houston is a good add to balance loss of Texas. Cincy is in the on/off category. BYU struggled the last few years in the WCC. UCF is in for a rude awakening in the Big 12.
After that it's all rumor on expansion. If they get Arizona, Gonzaga and SDSU then it's worth talking about in basketball. If not, it's mediocre at best.
Texas is a solid program but they are at the same level of WVU, KSU, and OKst over the past decade. Texas had a good season last season. OU has been slight more erratic they highs were higher but the lows lower. But you're taking a two 2nd tier teams from the Big 12 and they become top tier in the SEC.
Cincinnati has a lot of history in basketball and while the last couple years haven't been great, they are about to get more money and can easily be one of those good 2nd tier teams in the big 12. And in the past few season Houston has been a better program than Texas and OU. And it's not like SEC money is going to help Texas, they have more money than everyone else by a long shot (A&M is making moves though)
The SEC doesn't have a Kansas/Baylor team in the conference right now. If Kentucky doesn't make the elite eight this year it will be the longest streak of missing the elite 8 since the 80s. If they miss the sweet sixteen it will be their longest streak since the 40s. If they don't win the SEC tournament it will be their longest streak since the 70s. And it's not like other teams have taken their place.
The SEC loses wgen it counts, they get overrated and upset in March, the Big 12 will continue to be a good basketball league with their additions and despite their losses. Until the SEC can actual use their talent to win they are a 3rd tier basketball league and adding Texas and OU don't fix that.
Will have to disagree on K State or Oklahoma State being on the same level as Texas.
Texas has delivered 19+ wins in 10 of the last 12 years and had a .500 or better conference record in 8 of the last 12 years. WVU is on par with this since joining the Big 12.
Oklahoma State has had a losing conference record in 10 of the last 12 seasons. Kansas State with losing conference record in 6 of the last 12. They also had a overall losing record in 4 of the last 12 seasons.
Oklahoma is no big loss or gain in basketball since 2016 when they plunged off a cliff after four seasons of 22+ wins.
SEC has put two or three teams in the Sweet 16 pretty consistently for the last ten years even with Kentucky being off its game. SEC won or tied four of the last six SEC-Big 12 challenges. I would argue that Tennessee and Alabama are quickly reaching or are at the Baylor level. Kansas is a school only Kentucky could match if it returns to form.
Kentucky had a longer missed Elite 8 streak from 2005-2010 than the current streak since they were last in a Regional Final in 2019. Also with Covid season, the streak is only at 3 right now.
KY would tie that streak missing this year
TCU is rolling under Dixon. Texas Tech had a very good stretch and made a natty. Okie, K State and WVU are better programs than OU and Texas over the last 20 years, they've been good for a while and have big hoops fan bases. Cincy is down but they've got potential, BYU is okay. UCF is a free win which everyone in the conference will be happy to have
You're living several years in the past
Nope
Edit: to the downvoters, I provided as much explanation as he did
If I was putting money on it, I'm reasonably certain I would put odds on an SEC team winning a Natty than I would a BIG10 team in men's basketball.
So we just never play an SEC team in anything ever again?
Iowa and LSU within the first 20 days of the start of the WBB season.
We're gonna find out quick fast and in a hurry who is a contender.
Aren't we also playing USCe, too?
As far as I know, only the men's team is
Thanks for clarifying. I remembered seeing we were playing them but forgot it was the men.
both men's and women's teams are playing Nov. 9 and 10 in the Spectrum center in Charlotte. Nov. 9 is the women's game against Iowa and Nov. 10 is the men's game against South Carolina. So, you're not far off.
Ugh, A&M vs UVA, I didn't rooting for Buzz while he was at VT but I guess I can stomach cheering him on one more time.
Let's Go and Gig 'Em!
Of course we're on the road for both games.
Why don't we get a home game?
Road wins are worth more.