I love the pervasive sense of "getting back". It shows there is still a lot of support for the program and former players and people close still have high expectations and are willing to put in to meet then.
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Only two or three conversations with Bruce Smith in all his time in Blacksburg!!! Not surprising though, just more confirmation that he was the wrong guy for VT.
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He's into real estate and such these days. He owns/built up the Smith's Landing apartment complex and adjacent Hilton Garden Inn located off of Prices Fork Rd. I think he owns more property in the area as well. Makes sense that he is always around town.
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The ironic thing is, EVERYONE - in the media, on reddit, on TKP, etc - was praising the Fuente hire as a good culture fit for Virginia Tech (myself included).
I think we all thought because he was mild mannered and didn't need/want to be the center of attention, that he would do well at VT. I think most of us failed to understand how important relationship building was.
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Well and he might have been if we got the guy from Memphis, but even his players from Memphis that visited vt asked him why he was acting so weird. He thought he had to be someone different and if you can't be yourself as a coach then everything will suffer players, recruits will see through that.
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He's saying Fuente changed when he came to Blacksburg. That if we got the same coach he was in Memphis maybe it would have been okay but he seemed like a completely changed person. Therefore, we didn't actually get the guy that he was in Memphis
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Yeah not a transfer, he had some ex-players visit to talk to the team and they comment on how he had changed and was doing everything differently. He didn't treat the VT players like he did the Memphis players and was probably why we had a lot of transfers and such
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I think he talked about it on this podcast. If I remember correctly, it was mentioned when he was talking about how he had to curtail his coaching style to match the culture in the region.
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He wasn't really hate-able, but his initial intro in Cassell was pretty meh. He looked scared and that was noticed at the time.
It was eyebrow raising when Jerod got the F out of Blacksburg and made those weird comments. Then he chased Dragon out of town. Then his stupid on field decisions became apparent. The recruiting drying up seemed to be what made most people finally turn.
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I know there are a lot of people who would just prefer to bury the whole Fuente era under the rug, pretend it didn't happen and move on, but hearing shit like this from arguably our single most prominent football alumni is just damning to the whole previous regime. Fuente was a dogshit head coach and didn't have what it takes to be a head coach of a major school, and the only thing that prolonged his employment was COVID. His tenure set our entire program back decades.
Thankfully, Pry seems to have what it takes to turn it around, especially on the recruiting paths. While Fuente burned it down, we didn't let him salt the earth. And from those ashes, something pretty good looks to be sprouting.
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While I largely agree, hoping Pry and Company will turn things around in a few years and Fuente won't have set our entire program back decades :-).
Keeping my on-field expectations low for 2023. It's not like many (any?) of the high school recruits from the last class will play a role and the 2024 ones won't even be here yet, so not expecting a dramatic on-field improvement. Some with transfers and, hopefully, better coaching and players now familiar with the system. But will be quite happy with 5-7 assuming (1) the recruiting trends continue and (2) there are no serious off-field issues or massive portal losses of people we don't want to lose.
Anything more than 5 wins would be fantastic. Heck, I won't even be upset with 4-8 as long as all the false start/delay of game/not enough men on the line/terrible snaps are cleaned up.
My hope is 2024 is when we are back in a bowl game with 6 or 7 wins. Win that bowl and we're now respectable at 7-6 or 8-5 with more talent coming in and a plausible chance to actually be good (9-10 wins) in 2025 or 2026. That would be an impressive turn around from 3-8 in 2022.
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Agreed with all of this. I will also say, if we keep recruiting like we have been, we are probably 3 seasons away from legitimately getting back to annual 8+ win seasons. This season could go well but I really don't expect a lot. 5 wins could be asking too much for this season, but that's ok because the bottom really did fall out under Fuente and Pry is building it back now. All I know is that the future looks very bright for the program, and its fun to think we could matter again in the near future.
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A tad hyperbolic - probably set us back a half decade. IF the ACC GoR gets broken and we get left out, then I'll agree with you. But I don't think the GoR gets broken.
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That section is so random being in a golfing magazine and article about Smith becoming an avid golfer, but go ahead HoFer, speak your mind.
And Smith was on the sideline for a fair amount of games during the Fuente era. I can't imagine Smith not having a real relationship with the VT coach when he's done as much as he has done for that program. Mind-blowing. Wouldn't you want to establish a relationship with the all-time sack leader? Who wouldn't want to be friends with Bruce Smith? I mean, forget what Bruce could do to help the VT program for a minute, a chance to be friends with one of the greatest players of all times has to be one of the great privileges of the VT HC job.
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Wouldn't you want to establish a relationship with the all-time sack leader?
One would think that would be an important relationship. One would also think you would want to establish relationships with many alumni who have made the team what it is.
Who wouldn't want to be friends with Bruce Smith? I mean, forget what Bruce could do to help the VT program for a minute, a chance to be friends with one of the greatest players of all times has to be one of the great privileges of the VT HC job.
In addition to being friends with BRUUUCE, I also don't think it would be a good idea to get on that man's bad side.. Pretty sure he could still squish people like a bug without a second thought.
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Fuente was/is a quirk. Guy is visibly uncomfortable in his own skin and interacting with just about anyone. Everything with him was so forced to be this or be that or chameleon into what the players want, or screw the players we are doing it my way, let's recruit TX, no let's get back to VA, etc. Guy had/has no sense of self-direction and obviously was way over his head. He plateaued in his capabilities before VT and Whit did not see it before the hire. Whit missing this persona, and lack of HC capability in the interview; thereby; not correlating it to a future failure was a huge failure on his part. Whit, us and everyone else in the CFB world was completely and blindly sold on Fuente being this offensive, QB-whisper genius. The glaring HC deficiencies were probably right there, maybe if the right people were consulted...
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Big problem was, our head coaching search the first time around when Beamer retired really only had two criteria: 1) offensive guru, and 2) will you retain Bud. That was basically it. So many in the administration and fan base (will include myself here as well) thought in 2015 that all we needed was a modern spread offense to pair with Bud and we would be back. That couldn't have been further from the truth, as the cracks in the foundation had been showing for a while under Beamer. Frankly, the whole program needed a total overhaul then with a CEO-minded head coach to rebuild the program for today's college football environment. Fuente was obviously not that guy at all, and was also IMO exposed as not being that great of an offensive guru either. I think in his mind, he thought he had Bud and could produce enough offense to win 8-10 games a year and keep a stagnating program going. Lack of vision and understanding recruiting and relationships doomed his tenure here - unfortunately, he had a decent Beamer roster to mask these flaws the first two years and we didn't see the problems for a while.
If it wasn't for Hendon Hooker somewhat bailing him out in 2019 and winning the Miami game, I thought we might legitimately make a move then. A lot of people were really alarmed after 2018, but I think the tenor of the fan base shifted drastically against him after the 2019 start and Duke debacle. It felt like there was no return at that point, and Hendon helping to somewhat salvage the season and then COVID are the only reasons it lasted another two years.
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An unrelated tidbit on Bruce from a personal experience that has skewed my opinion of him. I was employed at a country club for a period, circa 2005/6, as a golf cart/club guy post-college. We would carry members clubs to their readied carts, etc. either when they stopped/parked in front of the cart area, popped their trunk or after parking nearby. It was a busy day, spring or summer, and Bruce Smith (non-member) pulled up and parked while I was racing around getting more carts ready, out of view. I run up after he has already parked and walked very briefly carrying his own clubs. This is not atypical, but also not ideal service-wise, for a period if you do not park and pop at the drop area. It happens when all the cart guys are tied up or it is a one man day. So, I race up to him and say something to the effect of, "Mr. Smith can I carry your clubs, sir?" He proceeds to stop in his tracks, motionless, staring straight ahead without acknowledging me in any fashion, with the implication that I was to proceed with taking the clubs directly off his shoulder like he was "King" Smith. I did so, walked his clubs, put them on the cart, with no interaction or tip. He has golfed at the club many times before and understands it is standard practice for the cart guys to get tipped a buck or two just like a waiter. The no tip was kind of a whatever to the larger, very pompous and obnoxious display of behavior, whereby treating someone in service with contempt. I think of this (douche-bag) instead of a Tech Great whenever I see the guy getting a sideline cameo on TV.
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Sorry to hear that. Hopefully just an isolated incident. Remember making a company-sponsored educational video for oncologists and speaking with the film crew. Ended up chatting about who were the nicest and worst people to work with in Hollywood. You get some great people and some pompous jerks. And sometimes someone who is a good person is just having a bad day. Should not take it out on others, but we are all guilty of that sometimes.
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Concur, though, personally, I would never do the same and treat someone in service as a servant unworthy of my energy, no matter how terrible a day I was having. That does not click in my head, but maybe if I had millions for a couple decades then my approach to such underlings would be different.
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I mean, it's related. I have no issue with him sharing his story here. It's unfortunate that it happened. I'm not totally surprised. I think sometimes superstars (athletes, artists) are so used to being treated like Gods by everyone that they forget how to human.
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How exactly is this related to a story about Bruce Smith sharing his opinion on our former football coach? The post even starts with "an unrelated tidbit..."
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I mean, maybe, but I get where he's coming from. It stings when people act like they're too good to directly interact with you or acknowledge your existence in those situations, especially when it's someone you previously held in medium or high esteem.
How someone treats service workers can provide insight into their character. And if the experience is bad, the memory doesn't just go away overnight for the person on the receiving end. I'm not making any judgments on Bruce Smith or anyone else here, this is just how it is.
I was treated horribly over the phone by Clemson's marching band liaison during and after the 2017 night game in Lane, because their bulk pizza order that they timed for delivery immediately after the game ended was late. It was gameday, and with the staff we had, we did well to get them their food less than an hour after the promised time. This genius failed to understand that we did not possess the capability to airlift their food straight into the bleachers, and he made a lot of withering classist comments about me that I doubt he'd have said to my face.
Wherever that guy is now, I hope he's crying himself to sleep atop a lifetime of regrets.
I could tell you which late-2010s VT athletes tipped and which ones didn't, if I thought anybody would care. (I've got a more interesting story about a time I thought I was going to get robbed outside New Hall West because I couldn't break a hundred dollar bill, but I can't remember the guy's name. Pretty sure he never saw the field)
I've rambled a bit here, but I guess my point is this: if I were OP I might have decided to keep that story to myself, but I also think sharing it was valid, no matter how it comes across to others. Shit stays with you sometimes.
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So you don't know how long he was waiting before he parked, didn't apologize, did a half-assed job and wanted a tip, but he's the bad guy in this story?
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I bet Bruce, in his mind as he waited for his clubs to be carried, thought in his mind how he wanted to squash the little people. He came to the conclusion then and there he was better than those serfs, and he masterminded in that time that he would not tip to begin the onslaught.
Frank Beamer didn't wave back at me one time on campus. I guess he's a douche too.
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Good to know most of us are on the same page with Bruce in terms of what went down and what needs to be done to right the ship. Just hope Pry gets the full support of everyone (administration, fans, alumni, etc.), can successfully execute his plan, and takes action when adjustments are necessary.
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Pry has knocked everything out of the park thus far as in terms of culture, fit, PR, building relationships, rebuilding recruiting ties, etc. In the words of Al Davis, he only has one thing left to do.
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He didn't hold back...I agree with him - we fired Fuente three years too late
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That's pretty telling and damning.....
I really fucking hope Pry works out because he seems like such a great guy and a genuinely good fit for us
I love the pervasive sense of "getting back". It shows there is still a lot of support for the program and former players and people close still have high expectations and are willing to put in to meet then.
It shouldn't surprise me by now, but Fuente only having 2-3 conversations with Bruce Smith blows my mind.
I mean the guy was just a complete idiot
Only two or three conversations with Bruce Smith in all his time in Blacksburg!!! Not surprising though, just more confirmation that he was the wrong guy for VT.
"the other head coach"
Cold- won't even say his name
Hell, I have had 2-3 conversations with Bruce since my time in Blacksburg.
For real.
For real, one of them he was definitely trying to steal my friend's girlfriend late at TOTS.
I saw him frequently back on campus in the summer mid late 80's. He likes Blacksburg seemingly.
He's into real estate and such these days. He owns/built up the Smith's Landing apartment complex and adjacent Hilton Garden Inn located off of Prices Fork Rd. I think he owns more property in the area as well. Makes sense that he is always around town.
I wasn't asking. I was agreeing with you. Appreciate story time, though.
The ironic thing is, EVERYONE - in the media, on reddit, on TKP, etc - was praising the Fuente hire as a good culture fit for Virginia Tech (myself included).
I think we all thought because he was mild mannered and didn't need/want to be the center of attention, that he would do well at VT. I think most of us failed to understand how important relationship building was.
Well and he might have been if we got the guy from Memphis, but even his players from Memphis that visited vt asked him why he was acting so weird. He thought he had to be someone different and if you can't be yourself as a coach then everything will suffer players, recruits will see through that.
I haven't heard this before.....did I miss something?
yeah this is news to me too ... "got the guy from memphis" is who exactly?
He's saying Fuente changed when he came to Blacksburg. That if we got the same coach he was in Memphis maybe it would have been okay but he seemed like a completely changed person. Therefore, we didn't actually get the guy that he was in Memphis
Oh shoot yes, i thought it was talking about some transfer target or something
Yeah not a transfer, he had some ex-players visit to talk to the team and they comment on how he had changed and was doing everything differently. He didn't treat the VT players like he did the Memphis players and was probably why we had a lot of transfers and such
I think he talked about it on this podcast. If I remember correctly, it was mentioned when he was talking about how he had to curtail his coaching style to match the culture in the region.
He wasn't really hate-able, but his initial intro in Cassell was pretty meh. He looked scared and that was noticed at the time.
It was eyebrow raising when Jerod got the F out of Blacksburg and made those weird comments. Then he chased Dragon out of town. Then his stupid on field decisions became apparent. The recruiting drying up seemed to be what made most people finally turn.
I know there are a lot of people who would just prefer to bury the whole Fuente era under the rug, pretend it didn't happen and move on, but hearing shit like this from arguably our single most prominent football alumni is just damning to the whole previous regime. Fuente was a dogshit head coach and didn't have what it takes to be a head coach of a major school, and the only thing that prolonged his employment was COVID. His tenure set our entire program back decades.
Thankfully, Pry seems to have what it takes to turn it around, especially on the recruiting paths. While Fuente burned it down, we didn't let him salt the earth. And from those ashes, something pretty good looks to be sprouting.
While I largely agree, hoping Pry and Company will turn things around in a few years and Fuente won't have set our entire program back decades :-).
Keeping my on-field expectations low for 2023. It's not like many (any?) of the high school recruits from the last class will play a role and the 2024 ones won't even be here yet, so not expecting a dramatic on-field improvement. Some with transfers and, hopefully, better coaching and players now familiar with the system. But will be quite happy with 5-7 assuming (1) the recruiting trends continue and (2) there are no serious off-field issues or massive portal losses of people we don't want to lose.
Anything more than 5 wins would be fantastic. Heck, I won't even be upset with 4-8 as long as all the false start/delay of game/not enough men on the line/terrible snaps are cleaned up.
My hope is 2024 is when we are back in a bowl game with 6 or 7 wins. Win that bowl and we're now respectable at 7-6 or 8-5 with more talent coming in and a plausible chance to actually be good (9-10 wins) in 2025 or 2026. That would be an impressive turn around from 3-8 in 2022.
There you go again being reasonable.
Agreed with all of this. I will also say, if we keep recruiting like we have been, we are probably 3 seasons away from legitimately getting back to annual 8+ win seasons. This season could go well but I really don't expect a lot. 5 wins could be asking too much for this season, but that's ok because the bottom really did fall out under Fuente and Pry is building it back now. All I know is that the future looks very bright for the program, and its fun to think we could matter again in the near future.
I sincerely hope this isn't true.
A tad hyperbolic - probably set us back a half decade. IF the ACC GoR gets broken and we get left out, then I'll agree with you. But I don't think the GoR gets broken.
I'm disappointed that Whit is still on a pedestal for everyone here after allowing that disaster.
Are you saying Whit is the reason for Covid? /s
Having only read the first paragraph:
MAN I wish I could get into Bayville to play a round!!!!
That section is so random being in a golfing magazine and article about Smith becoming an avid golfer, but go ahead HoFer, speak your mind.
And Smith was on the sideline for a fair amount of games during the Fuente era. I can't imagine Smith not having a real relationship with the VT coach when he's done as much as he has done for that program. Mind-blowing. Wouldn't you want to establish a relationship with the all-time sack leader? Who wouldn't want to be friends with Bruce Smith? I mean, forget what Bruce could do to help the VT program for a minute, a chance to be friends with one of the greatest players of all times has to be one of the great privileges of the VT HC job.
One would think that would be an important relationship. One would also think you would want to establish relationships with many alumni who have made the team what it is.
In addition to being friends with BRUUUCE, I also don't think it would be a good idea to get on that man's bad side.. Pretty sure he could still squish people like a bug without a second thought.
Yes, yes I would, he knows how to chase people down and hit them hard, I would want to be on his good side.
Well Fuente was a QB, so.....
LOL, Yea, I bet Jim Kelly still looks over his shoulder.
Jim Kelly was on his team...
1982, UM vs VT. Bruce Smith sacked him and injured his right shoulder in the fourth qtr. That's what I was referring to.
Nice pull! Completely forgot about that.
Fuente was/is a quirk. Guy is visibly uncomfortable in his own skin and interacting with just about anyone. Everything with him was so forced to be this or be that or chameleon into what the players want, or screw the players we are doing it my way, let's recruit TX, no let's get back to VA, etc. Guy had/has no sense of self-direction and obviously was way over his head. He plateaued in his capabilities before VT and Whit did not see it before the hire. Whit missing this persona, and lack of HC capability in the interview; thereby; not correlating it to a future failure was a huge failure on his part. Whit, us and everyone else in the CFB world was completely and blindly sold on Fuente being this offensive, QB-whisper genius. The glaring HC deficiencies were probably right there, maybe if the right people were consulted...
Big problem was, our head coaching search the first time around when Beamer retired really only had two criteria: 1) offensive guru, and 2) will you retain Bud. That was basically it. So many in the administration and fan base (will include myself here as well) thought in 2015 that all we needed was a modern spread offense to pair with Bud and we would be back. That couldn't have been further from the truth, as the cracks in the foundation had been showing for a while under Beamer. Frankly, the whole program needed a total overhaul then with a CEO-minded head coach to rebuild the program for today's college football environment. Fuente was obviously not that guy at all, and was also IMO exposed as not being that great of an offensive guru either. I think in his mind, he thought he had Bud and could produce enough offense to win 8-10 games a year and keep a stagnating program going. Lack of vision and understanding recruiting and relationships doomed his tenure here - unfortunately, he had a decent Beamer roster to mask these flaws the first two years and we didn't see the problems for a while.
If it wasn't for Hendon Hooker somewhat bailing him out in 2019 and winning the Miami game, I thought we might legitimately make a move then. A lot of people were really alarmed after 2018, but I think the tenor of the fan base shifted drastically against him after the 2019 start and Duke debacle. It felt like there was no return at that point, and Hendon helping to somewhat salvage the season and then COVID are the only reasons it lasted another two years.
Bruce Smith just demolished Fuente and propped Pry and VT up in 2 paragraphs from an article in a golf magazine. Kind of wild.
An unrelated tidbit on Bruce from a personal experience that has skewed my opinion of him. I was employed at a country club for a period, circa 2005/6, as a golf cart/club guy post-college. We would carry members clubs to their readied carts, etc. either when they stopped/parked in front of the cart area, popped their trunk or after parking nearby. It was a busy day, spring or summer, and Bruce Smith (non-member) pulled up and parked while I was racing around getting more carts ready, out of view. I run up after he has already parked and walked very briefly carrying his own clubs. This is not atypical, but also not ideal service-wise, for a period if you do not park and pop at the drop area. It happens when all the cart guys are tied up or it is a one man day. So, I race up to him and say something to the effect of, "Mr. Smith can I carry your clubs, sir?" He proceeds to stop in his tracks, motionless, staring straight ahead without acknowledging me in any fashion, with the implication that I was to proceed with taking the clubs directly off his shoulder like he was "King" Smith. I did so, walked his clubs, put them on the cart, with no interaction or tip. He has golfed at the club many times before and understands it is standard practice for the cart guys to get tipped a buck or two just like a waiter. The no tip was kind of a whatever to the larger, very pompous and obnoxious display of behavior, whereby treating someone in service with contempt. I think of this (douche-bag) instead of a Tech Great whenever I see the guy getting a sideline cameo on TV.
Sorry to hear that. Hopefully just an isolated incident. Remember making a company-sponsored educational video for oncologists and speaking with the film crew. Ended up chatting about who were the nicest and worst people to work with in Hollywood. You get some great people and some pompous jerks. And sometimes someone who is a good person is just having a bad day. Should not take it out on others, but we are all guilty of that sometimes.
Concur, though, personally, I would never do the same and treat someone in service as a servant unworthy of my energy, no matter how terrible a day I was having. That does not click in my head, but maybe if I had millions for a couple decades then my approach to such underlings would be different.
Maybe he didn't have cash, maybe he didn't think he should tip you if he carried his bag halfway, either way this is so petty to post here.
I mean, it's related. I have no issue with him sharing his story here. It's unfortunate that it happened. I'm not totally surprised. I think sometimes superstars (athletes, artists) are so used to being treated like Gods by everyone that they forget how to human.
How exactly is this related to a story about Bruce Smith sharing his opinion on our former football coach? The post even starts with "an unrelated tidbit..."
It's Bruce Smith. The op is about Bruce Smith and this comment is a story about Bruce Smith.
If he had written the same exact story in this thread but it was about Justin Fuente stiffing him would you even care?
I mean, maybe, but I get where he's coming from. It stings when people act like they're too good to directly interact with you or acknowledge your existence in those situations, especially when it's someone you previously held in medium or high esteem.
How someone treats service workers can provide insight into their character. And if the experience is bad, the memory doesn't just go away overnight for the person on the receiving end. I'm not making any judgments on Bruce Smith or anyone else here, this is just how it is.
I was treated horribly over the phone by Clemson's marching band liaison during and after the 2017 night game in Lane, because their bulk pizza order that they timed for delivery immediately after the game ended was late. It was gameday, and with the staff we had, we did well to get them their food less than an hour after the promised time. This genius failed to understand that we did not possess the capability to airlift their food straight into the bleachers, and he made a lot of withering classist comments about me that I doubt he'd have said to my face.
Wherever that guy is now, I hope he's crying himself to sleep atop a lifetime of regrets.
I could tell you which late-2010s VT athletes tipped and which ones didn't, if I thought anybody would care. (I've got a more interesting story about a time I thought I was going to get robbed outside New Hall West because I couldn't break a hundred dollar bill, but I can't remember the guy's name. Pretty sure he never saw the field)
I've rambled a bit here, but I guess my point is this: if I were OP I might have decided to keep that story to myself, but I also think sharing it was valid, no matter how it comes across to others. Shit stays with you sometimes.
So you don't know how long he was waiting before he parked, didn't apologize, did a half-assed job and wanted a tip, but he's the bad guy in this story?
I bet Bruce, in his mind as he waited for his clubs to be carried, thought in his mind how he wanted to squash the little people. He came to the conclusion then and there he was better than those serfs, and he masterminded in that time that he would not tip to begin the onslaught.
Frank Beamer didn't wave back at me one time on campus. I guess he's a douche too.
Good to know most of us are on the same page with Bruce in terms of what went down and what needs to be done to right the ship. Just hope Pry gets the full support of everyone (administration, fans, alumni, etc.), can successfully execute his plan, and takes action when adjustments are necessary.
Pry has knocked everything out of the park thus far as in terms of culture, fit, PR, building relationships, rebuilding recruiting ties, etc. In the words of Al Davis, he only has one thing left to do.
Thanks for sharing!
Bruce still looking fit. Love the 200 sacks golf ball.
That's the record of his skins games.