Would you guys be in favor of it if college football adapted to it? I think I would be leaning yes. There is really no pressing need for it, but a possibility in the future.
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It exists in the NFL and at some high school levels. I am surprised it doesn't exist in NCAA sandwiched in between.
If NCAA adopted it, it'd be fine. If not, it'd be cool too.
obviously already in the NFL, but i didn't know some high schools have adapted it. learn something new every day.
I think the game is already long enough
Watching Virginia Tech football is never long enough seeing Ke. Fuller and Facyson will be gone soon and I'm all for seeing as much football with any Hokie as long as possible because before long they will be gone!
I get what you're trying to say, but the game isn't technically any longer. It might take more time to complete but it's still going to be 60 min of game time. Same amount of time that ke. Fuller and Facyson will be playing
You wouldn't be seeing players any more often, you'd be seeing more ads for a car or beer.
BUT, more commercial breaks=more chances to get a beer or take a leak without missing any action
DVR can do that too
I actually enjoy the fact that the NCAA hasn't adopted the two minute warning.
TimeCop wouldnt know what to do with this rule. He might call a timeout so his team could recover from the two minute warning
* TWEET *
Ref: And that's 2 minute warning everyone...
Timecop: TIMEOUT!
Ref: uh, coach, it's 2 minute warning already
Timecop: Yeah, we need a timeout
Ref: but you already have time with the 2 minute warning. I called it about a minute ago.
Timecop: I've already lost a minute?! TIMEOUT! ANOTHER TIMEOUT!
Ref: Coach, coach... you don't need to call timeouts. You had 2 minutes free.
Timecop: Yeah, that was my first timeout, but we lost that minute. Now I need the new one. (walks away to "coach" his team to another loss)
Ref: alrighty then.... (into the mic to the crowd) LOLUVA takes 2 consecutive time outs.
So much incompetence in one picture...
I'm not a fan. College football stops enough with first downs, getting out of bounds, etc. No reason to add another TV timeout that screws up the rhythm of the game and leaves me standing bored in the stadium (or living room) waiting desperately to see the end of the game.
I think this exactly. If they were to adopt a 2 minute warning, they need to adopt a "game clock does not stop on first down".
In general, i think there needs to be an American Football Organization that oversees Professional and Amateur Football rules and tries to make them more universal. the various rule differences between the collegiate and professional football leagues are getting worse, not better, every year. as a fan, it's frustrating. this would only be for on field rules. NFL and NCAA and various conferences, etc could still make their own organizational and disciplinary rules, etc.
some basics:
1 set of hashmarks
same clock rules (if it's allowing for too many plays for college, play a 48 minute game instead of 60 minutes)
same rules, same penalties for breaking rules (pass interference and feet in bounds for a catch jump to mind)
same OT rules (not advocating for one over the other, just keep them the same)
i have grown up with it, and don't know any better, so i can go back and forth without too much headache (other than new rules every season which take a few weeks to get used to), but for new fans or very casual fans such as my wife and kids, it's hard for them to understand why the rules of the same game are so much different. it just seems it would be in the best interest of growing the sport (i know it's already massive, but the NFL has concerns about their future with all of this injury stuff) to make it easier for kids and casual fans to follow. it's already the most complex sport out there, no need to make it harder to learn than it already is.
also, an outside organization protecting the game seems like a much better idea than asking the guy hired by 32 billionaires to make them richer to protect the game while ALSO protecting those 32 owners' pockets. that organization may actually put effort into growing the GAME globally, as opposed to the NFL trying to grow the NFL globally...
just my $.02
Personally, I'm quite alright with there being (sometimes vastly) different rules for the NFL and college.
I'd say most of the differences are based on the fact that we can reasonably expect more from professionals than from amateur athletes. For example, it's much easier to get 1 foot down than 2 to make a catch. Also, in regards to OT rules, you can reasonably expect an NFL team to drive the length of the field in one shot, but maybe not a college offense.
Besides, I enjoy that there are different "flavors" of football. I like that college football is its own unique sport with a very distinct viewing experience and the NFL has its own unique viewing experience. Spice o' life, ya know? I'm not saying a universal governing body couldn't be good for the sport, I'm just perfectly happy (for the most part) with the way things are now.
Side note: If you really want a complex sport, watch a rugby game and try to guess what all the penalties are.
it's only complex because we didn't grow up with it. same with cricket. i'm guessing the rugby rule book is actually much thinner than the American Football rule book...
i never thought football was that complex until i had to answer the questions of a child learning the game from the age of ~4 on...he gets it now (he's 7) for the most part, mostly from his own reading and TV watching, but, man, some of the questions he asked made me rethink the game of football completely!
Most of the rugby rulebook is complex partly because it's so subjective. Different refs can have different interpretations of "ball out" for example.
I'd actually really like to do that at some point, just watch the game with a 4 year old who is interested but doesn't know the game at all. Sounds fun.
I do this with my friend Aaron. He's 34...
I started laughing. Turkey leg for you.
Just one note when talking about easier to get one foot down being easier. In High school football receivers have to have two feet inbounds to have a completed catch.
I'm good with all that, as long as they go with the College OT rules. The NFL's overtime is so far beyond STUPID, I don't see how anyone can follow what the hell is going on there.
I think OT should be like soccer or hockey...a kicker shootout. Start with 30 yard field goals, then 35, 40, 45, 50... People would have to start picking up some serious kickers then.
Or make non-kickers have to attempt extra points in a shootout.
Or have college mascots REALLY duke it out, in full costume (no weapons if the costume has weapons).
I'm surprised the NFL didn't at least look at the OT rules after the game that Green Bay tied. The new OT rules backfired on them there. If they had the straight up sudden death, the team that kicked a FG first would have won the game. Instead, the game got dragged on for another half hour, just for the other team to kick a FG and end in a tie.
Of course, the first time that the new OT rules were in effect, Tebow just pissed all over them with an 80 yard TD pass.
I say do it.
The 2 minute warning exists for 2 key reasons in the NFL: They have a clock that runs more often than in the NCAA (so it's more valuable at the end of the game to create a stoppage), and they want more set times for commercials (you'd want to sell ad space following that 2 minute warning as its a potentially more valuable break than some of the other ones, captive audience at the end of the half/game). So I'm not really in favor of bringing it down to the NCAA level. I appreciate the fewer TV breaks in the game and that's an aspect of the NFL I don't want emulated in the NCAA model.
Every time I see one play - commercial - kickoff - commercial, I want to kick a baby.
Oh man, the number of commercial breaks in an NFL game kills it for me. There is one such situation that still irks me to this day. I actually wrote a blog post about it at the time (hahahah...remember those?).
This. A thousand times, this.
Life is too short to drink bad beer.
Borderline absurd? That shennanigans is absurd!
I used to get a kick out of Coors Light commercials when I realized that their entire advertising campaign revoles around the one thing they have absolutely no control over. Now it's just sad and pathetic.... At least Bud advertises taste and good times. Miller has those moderately interesting bottle/cans. Coors just says you can make it cold.
Ha! I still get a kick out of Miller Lite commercials. Widemouth cans. Vortex neck bottles. Their entire advertising strategy is to try to get you to drink FASTER FASTER FASTER LOOK HOW FAST YOU CAN DRINK BEER
Hey, when you're drinking crappy beer you want to down that shit as fast as possible so that you get buzzed enough to not notice. At least they're adding something to provide a better drinking experience, even if it is getting it over with faster.
Coors just insults my intelligence now, "Don't like warm beer? Did you know you can COOL THAT SHIT DOWN?! No really! You can make it cold!"
does anyone remember an old simpsons episode where duff is advertising "duff cold?" the tagline was "you like your beer cold don't you?" then a few years later coors comes out with the exact same marketing idea.
as far as miller lite goes, the commercials where the guy is like 'miller has more flavor, it's more manly' annoy me to no end. I can think of like 3 beers on the market that have less flavor than miller. so if I'm drinking a blue mountain dark hollow I must be like teddy roosevelt riding a tiger bareback on an active volcano with a friggin belt fed machine gun in each hand. sheesh.
don't get me wrong, i'll drink the shit out of both beers but the marketing is laughable.
I can't
Natty light, keystone aaaaaand.....busch?
Big Flats, Southpaw, Icehouse, Olde English, and anything else you drank at a frat party freshman year.
that old e will get after ya
Oh man how could I forget southpaw?! that was a staple among me and my roommates
Mmmmmmmm... Blue Mountain Dark Hollow.
Cold numbs your taste buds.
i think college has actually gotten worse than the NFL with the new ESPN contracts...the TV timeout guy definitely seems to be on the field more in Lane Stadium than at NFL games i've been to. NFL games have had some time creep getting closer to 3.5 hours than they used to be, but 3.5 hours seems to be the norm for college games...
Except a large part of this is about the clock stopping on 1st downs, and the out of bounds clock stoppage differences that make it last longer vs TV time outs (although I hate that red hatted commercial jerk). The NFL is creeping to that long because they take a commercial break after just about anything; scores, fgs, change of possession etc. The college game has been consistent in the time range, they did have some actual effect from making the clock start with the kick rather than the first touching on kick offs, but they did away with that after only 1 year.
The only way for people to watch ESPNEWS is to air the beginnings of games there because ESPN is too tight in their scheduling and they drag out the early games.
A few years ago, when the NCAA changed the rules and it shortened the game slightly...didn't they reverse those rules because coaches whined that it took plays away from them?
Sorry, this was all I could come up with. Too soon?
Yup, that's about what excessive commercials make me want to do.
I don't really mind the commercials as long as they're freakin good. But I see your point as well.
I like soccer because there are no timeouts or stopping the clock. There is extra time for injuries if needed. Most of football is guys just standing around. Actual play time is less than half or a third of the running clock time. (Baseball is worse). All the timeouts and game breaks are designed to offer a minimum number of advertising opportunities. That is the intent of the 2MW in the NFL. Iwould be in favor of shorter games. Three plus hours is a big time commitment to watch on TV. It takes even more time to be at the game. There are only 60 minutes on the clock in football yet the game takes over three hours? Nothing is happening for every two out of three minutes of the event.
I agree with you, but something IS happening for those other 2 hours. You are buying food and drinks if you are at the stadium or if you are home you are grabbbing an ice cold Raging Bitch (or 5). All this, directly or indirectly, goes back to the teams which is why you wont see a shorter game.
Even in HS football with 12 minute quarters, games still take 2-3 hours. Advertising isn't adding that much to the Length of the game.
I read there is something like 18 minutes of actual playing time in a baseball game. That's amazing, but even with that statistic baseball is not the worst. Cricket is the worst. Can you imagine a baseball speed game played over 3 and 5 days... Absolutely painful to watch..
But that being said, I like that football is not a continuous clock like soccer or rugby. I could do for less tv timeouts but what I like about the every down model is that it gives the fan time to enjoy the strategy of the game. Not saying soccer or rugby does not have strategy. Having played both I know they do, but as a fan I enjoy chatting with my friends in the stands or around a TV about what the team should do next. "man, why aren't they running up the middle?" "Another screen pass! WTF?!" "OMG, he just destroyed him!" "Kyle Fuller just high-fived that ref! haha"
The breaks make me enjoy the game more. I've been to a World Cup game and experienced the buzz. The stadium is really exciting, but honestly I have never ever felt anything like Lane Stadium. Even through TV, the Miami game where everyone "was losing their minds" was so electric. It happened that way because there was a pause, fans speculating on what to do, Enter the Sandman starts playing, people lose their shit, players get pumped and go out and kick ass. This is what make football special.
I have to upleg this just for the mention of Ky. Fuller fiving the ref.
Less commercials, more sports.
...I just really wanted somewhere to put this gif.
I'll just leave this here...
HE PUNTED BAXTER!!!!!!!!!
Milk was a bad choice.
Shorter games = more games to watch on Saturday. Instead of two games in seven hours, what about three?
Here's an idea. What about making the games longer in clock time, but eliminating timeouts that stop the clock?