The Military Bowl presented a great opportunity for the Hokies to set the path forward for 2024. Retaining most of the team, including a number of prospective transfers, the Hokies delivered a resounding victory over a Tulane team that had built one of the most physical and successful g5 programs. Don't let the narrative of Tulane being depleted fool you. While quarterback Michael Pratt didn't play, several of the key pieces for Tulane's stout defense (Deveon Deal, Tyler Grubbs in particular) who were in the portal played.
The keys to that victory were Kyron Drones and Bhayshul Tuten. Their physicality and athleticism overwhelmed Tulane, even at moments where the blocking and the scheme wasn't there. For example, the Hokies first touchdown was a "special" designed throwback with left tackle Xavier Chaplin flexed over to the right side, creating an unbalanced look. Chaplin completely lost the Tulane defensive end, but Tuten knocked the end to the sideline, creating a lane for Drones, who ran through tackles for a touchdown. In miserable conditions, Drones and Tuten's will pulled the cart, and the rest of the team gained energy from their effort. As things progressed, the offensive line, which looked miserable early in the game, was getting a huge push on the Green Wave's terrific defensive tackle Patrick Bailey (trust me when I tell you, if he entered the portal he would be getting serious blue blood offers) to create huge seams on the inside.
With so many seniors playing, the game didn't present as many opportunities for the key talent for next year to showcase themselves. I was surprised defensive coordinator Chris Marve didn't play more true nickel on third down to get reps for Dante Lovett and Braylon Johnson, and there weren't many safety options behind Jaylon Jones and Mose Phillips, but there were some eye catching moments.
1) The defensive coaching staff played a lot of zone, and Tulane countered that by running a lot of routes that crossed up the Hokies corner to safety handoffs on verticals. Outside of Yulkeith Brown's beautiful sideline catch in front of a trailing Phillips in the 2nd quarter, Tulane wasn't able to take advantage of those breakdowns. In terms of alley support, the young safeties starting slow, with Jones out of position to fit the alley between Lawson and Tisdale on a receiver sweep being the biggest bust. But, they persisted as the game wore on, and both players were around the ball and sharp with their tackling. I think there is a lot of trepidation about Jones and Phillips being the 2nd and 3rd safeties, especially in passing situations, but they stepped forward when needed in this game.
2) The hopefully not serious knee injury to Stephen Gosnell presented an opportunity for freshman Ayden Greene. Not only did Greene make a spectacular catch, but he followed Gosnell's example by delivering immaculate blocking all game long. He sent a message that he wants a bigger role, and will need to maintain that performance to get reps in a very talented and crowded receiver room. Lane was also absolutely terrific blocking.
3) Harrison Saint Germain, who essentially had served as the blocking only tight end all year, found holes in the soft underbelly of the Tulane defense, and Drones trusted him to make plays. With Wright's departure, Saint Germain and Benji Gosnell both played well in the passing game.
4) Drones running was the star of the show, but I paid close attention to other parts of his game. Ball security was worrisome. He exposed the ball ("like a loaf of bread" as one of my former coaches used to say.) He also missed the deep shot to Felton early, which was a big miss with the way Tulane was playing over the top coverage. But, what really impressed me was his decision making when choosing to scramble or check down. I thought Drones did an excellent job checking down to his 2nd and 3rd reads. It shows more progression. Man, if he can figure out how to give his vertical receivers a chance, watch out.
5) Kaden Moore had a really good game. The play that jumped out for me was the long Drones run after Tulane tied the game. Moore delivered a good snap in the rain, pulled around right tackle, and worked his feet to get outside of the edge defender and drive him inside. Clements also had an excellent block at the second level to turn the inside linebacker to the sidelines. Drones and Tuten don't need much of a seam to make a big play, and if this OL group can create it more consistently, look out. Then on the ensuing Tuten touchdown, Saint Germain and Felton put their defenders into the sidelines. Again, the effort from the skill position guys really jumps out.
6) Two guys who also have caught a lot of grief in my column get their due and proper- Tisdale had maybe his best game since his performance against Louisville when Rayshard Ashby spent the whole game blitzing in A gap. He was everywhere, and was doing a better job of shedding blocks than he did all year. And, if you go back and watch Tuten's final touchdown run, Bob Schick drove the middle linebacker from the 10 yard line to the 4 yard line and then knocked him down.

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It was great team game on a lot of levels. There was some obvious busts, but you couldn't help but notice the level of effort and drive on both sides of the ball. Pry really seems to have the team buying in and our trajectory is something to be excited about. I hope we continue to try and fill a couple holes, but the progression of this team has got to make all Hokies feel good for next year. Add in possibly our best big play receiver coming back that missed the whole season. Whew.
Now add in Gilliam. Wow.
French - do you think this OL can continue to progress and be a strength based solely on who we have in place and their ability to get better? Or do we need new pieces to take a step further next year?
I think there is limited upside, but they can get better. Based on their targets in the transfer portal, it seems to me to be pretty clear that they want to upgrade pass protection and add more of a power element to the run game. They finally popped the IZR RPO with the slant to Felton later in the game and he dropped it. If they can add the IZR and that pass, it makes this offense really tough to deal with. To do it, you have to be able to run between the tackles without the horizontal run fake.
It was a great team effort. Tulane was a very good tackling team, and they were very good at stripping the ball and trying to create turnovers. Drones and tuten imposed their will on this team.
Tulane offense was not great, and tech's defense did a good job of containing them. Still lots of missed tackles or getting dragged by the ball carrier. Hopefully a point of emphasis for next year.
Clearly the momentum is high heading into 24. What a turn around by this team and staff. This team was hot garbage early this season
Correct. And to the Hokies credit, you could see several of the defensive guys hammering at the ball to knock it loose.
Fritz did an awesome job with that Tulane team. They hit, they were big, and they intimidate. While Pratt was a big loss, I think the biggest loss may have been their starting nose guard Keith Cooper (Hicks, the backup all year, started.) Moore and the guards handled Hicks really well and created good movement.
The gap between our season-long OL performance, and the fact we rushed for a million yards yesterday, will always perplex me. Was it that heavily tilted towards the play of Drones and Tuten?
I think some credit has to go to Bowen. He did a great job scheming to hide our weaknesses.
Drones is getting pretty close to an elite quarterback. He was 58% passer this year. If he stays healthy enough to be dominant in the run game and get that percentage up closer to 62%, he'll be contending for first team all-ACC for 2024.
I mean, there's a reason he didn't win the starting job from day 1. He isn't a polished passer. Given where he is now vs. the beginning of the year, I'm hoping a whole offseason with him as QB1 will just help him hone his game.
When a coach talks about being "multiple", what they mean is you have to worry about Drones running, Drones passing all over the field, Tuten running, some lightning fast WR running it, etc. Making defenses second guess what they think we're going to do rather than teeing off on what they know is coming. We have the potential to make that happen.
XTB is that lightning fast receiver they need to worry about running
I'm not sure. XTB is pretty clearly the jet sweep guys and only played to take sweep or to be a decoy on that sweep. That means he is explosive, but really not a true WR. With the amount of talent we are getting in that room now he needs to improve a lot in other aspects if he wants to see the field.
I think it probably means more that he isn't the accomplished blocker as noted in other receiver notes to see more playing time. As a freshman that makes sense.
Biggest things for Drones this offseason is ball security. He put the ball on the ground most games.
The development of WR blocking over the course of the season can't be overlooked. Mines has done work. Hope we can keep him long-term, because things like that get noticed.
It was a comfortable win against a Tulane team that clearly came to play and were pretty impressive physically.
Drones made a particularly nice play on the 3rd down conversion to Gosnell where he clearly was read #3 or 4 and Drones could have easily taken off. Gosnell made a nice play to get past the sticks but the patience to get him the ball was something I don't think Drones would have done earlier this season.
Pry has really done a hell of a job, this team has a momentum and a cohesiveness that certainly dwarfs anything Fuente did and even the latter Beamer years.
How far we can go is still questionable as I think the job has been made exponentially harder than it was 10 years ago and the complete uncertainty of the ACC is also going to be difficult to navigate but it won't be for lack of effort or execution on Pry's part.
Barring any unforeseen personnel changes or devastating injuries between now and September, this is a team that will have a lot of strengths and no glaring weaknesses next year.
I'm not usually mistaken for an optimist, but this team should win 7-10 regular season games next season. I'll be surprised and disappointed if we don't win at least 8 and compete for a berth in the conference title game.
I like the optimism, and certainly our ceiling is rising.
I mean, we went 5-3 in conference and tied for 4th. We may have the pieces to get at least one more conference victory next year. Two more wins next year, and I agree, we're in the mix.
We don't play any of the top 3 teams in conference next year, so that helps.
Well we can't play ourselves so that leaves only two teams to not play, heh heh.
Correct. Next year we don't play any of the three teams we lost to this year in conference: FSU, Louisville, NC St
We do play Clemson, who may or may not be top-3 next year. Even if they're still down, that's not a game I'd count on winning, though we do get them at home.
Even this latest version of Clemson- VT still needs more depth and talent in the trenches to compete with them. I don't like our chances in 24 - we aren't there yet.
As long as Klubnik is the QB, we have as good as chance as anyone. He might get better, but Clemson hasn't been developing there players as well as they used too. Eleven out of his 19 TDs came in 3 games, Charleston Southern, FAU, and GT. I didnt watch a lot of Clemson this year but when I did Klubnik looked lost. He was constantly bailed out of poor throws by his receivers in the bowl game. Only the guy from BC was rated worse out of qualifying ACC QBs. He was 3rd in completion percentage yet last in YPA. He throw more passes per game than everyone by Maye. What does that tell you about Clemson's run game? Well they are 3rd in the ACC with rushing attempts but 9th in YPC. Some of that might be Klubnik not making safeties play deep. When you only look at conference play the numbers look worse.
I am circling this game as a loss, but Clemson has some problems that i dont think they are going to fix in the off season. They are beatable, but if you look at their losses, they were to the better teams in the ACC. Miami was OT, FSU was OT, Duke came ready to play and took a huge hit when Leonard went down. And NC State is a solid team that can make it hard on you if you let them crowd the line. I would not be surprised if we beat them.
I'm loving this new trend of arrogant fan bases running of really good quarterbacks so they can *checks notes* play the guys that are not as good as them in their stead.
Smaller schools like Oregon State (Uiagalelei) and Syracuse (McCord) reap the rewards. (Although I just saw that Uiagalelei transferred to FSU yesterday).
Honestly I don't think Clemson could have used DJ Ug... effectively. I think you'd see the same issues Bama had with Milroe. I think it was better for DJ to leave for his development.
Also it really doesn't matter how well your team does in college if your goal is to be an NFL QB. The current list is topped by Purdy (ISU), Dak (MSU), Allen (Wy), Jackson (UofL), Herbert (Oregon), Stafford (UGA), Cousins (MichSt), Mahomes (TTU) and Hurts (Bama/OU)
That's 1 of 10 that played for a title contender, unless you want to count the UGA team that was ranked preseason #1 with 5 new starters at Oline.
DJ was better off developing with competent coaching.
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Who is Dakota and did you forget Joe Burrow?
Dak* stupid autocorrect
Burrow is 19th in QBR (my bad for not pointing out which system i used to determine top 10 current QBs)
I was thinking through the NFL for who could be close and went to Mich St (MSU). Dak and Miss St fits your stated criteria.
To add to this, we went from 1992 to 2009 with Brian Griese being the only Championship winning QB to have a decent NFL career. That includes multiple heisman winning QBs too. Since then we have Winston, Tua, Burrow, Watson, Hurts*, Lawrence all do well in the NFL after winning championship rings in college.
It was really nice to see UGA bring back the only good in college QB thing.
I hate the eagles as much as the next one but why's Hurts got an asterisk? Jameis played himself into a backup role and Lawrence is still getting by on name value and flashes here and there but is overall pretty inconsistent
Hurts didn't
startfinish the championship game he got a ring for, he was pulled at halftime. So he won, Bama doesn't it make it to the game without him, but Tua was the winning QB. Hence the asterisk.Lawrence is already a more accomplished QB that anyone not named Griese that won a championship from 1992-2009. Winston too has more longevity than most QBs. We're talking Danny Wurrfle levels off bad, Winston looks way better than him. We're talking I'm going to win the Heisman and the go pro insomwthing other than football (basketball) levels of QB. Which is 100% the right decision, basketball is where the money is at.
The fact that Lawrence is given a shot is a a testament to two things 1) how much the top CFB teams have been at getting NFL qbs and 2) the new draft pay that makes first contract QBs so much more valuable because they're cheap.
EDIT: see above
oh -- Hurts gets the asterisk because of the college side of "championship winning qb" and not because of what he's done in the NFL -- that's where i got tripped up
He's much better in the NFL than I thought he would be. He is a leader and can make plays when necessary.
agree -- i thought he would be a rich man's taysom hill at best
If memory serves me well, Hurts did start for Bama and was replaced by Tua sometime during the game.
After halftime. Bama was struggling in the first half and they started Tua in the second half.
Very captain obvious, but nobody better than Nick Saban making in game adjustments at this level.
I like the optimism, however there is still one glaring weakness on this team IMO. The OL. Color me as skeptical they can become a consistently serviceable P5 OL. Will gladly eat crow if this happens.
Yep. Feels like the jury is still out on the LB corps as well.
Are they? I'm not being sarcastic, but I'm not sure at this point the OL is a major liability.
Drones has only been sacked a total of 3 times in the last 4 games - 1 each to BC, NC State and Tulane, all bowl teams. As a team we averaged 5.0 yards per rush this season, and 190 yards on the ground per game. That's not 1996 Nebraska, but that's not a bad rushing game.
My point is, like the team overall, I think the offensive line played a lot better the second half of the season than the first half.
Yes. Still a liability. Stats don't live in a vacuum. Additionally, as French pointed out, most of that work on the ground yesterday was because of the power and will of both Tuten and Drones not because of, but despite the OL play. Again, I'd like to eat crow on this by the end of next season.
Would love to get the right guard from Florida that just entered the portal. He was great against Mizzou. Micah Mazzccua.
Yeah, I think he'd really add some value to the team up front. Who knows though. One or two of these guys surprising us and making significant strides could be the difference.
Pry has repeatedly said that if there isn't some sort of connection to a player in the portal, they're not likely to bother. Here we have a connection with Drones. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's on our board, and probably already communicating.
Hopefully Drones is recruiting him hard.
And Triumph...
Dude looks like an angry, and larger, Busta Rhymes.
Have APR give him a call.
I don't completely buy that. I watched the game, there were plenty of times Drones ran through a gaping hole and didn't get touched until he was 8 yards downfield. Vacuum or not, the stats for the season don't lie. We were 24th in the country in rushing in 2023, pretty damn good. We were 59th in sacks, slightly above average.
There's not a unit on the team that couldn't use more talent. Hell, we probably don't have 3 players on the whole team who would start for Georgia. But the fact is that our offensive line, while not great, was good enough for us to have an effective offense and squeeze out 7 wins.
Yea, this is where I'm at. The O-line is P5-quality, but not top 25 quality. So, I'm for additions to bolster the line but also cognizant of the fact that Drones and Tuten didn't get 300 yards of rushing in the bowl game breaking 11 tackles on every play. The Oline were pushing defenders 10 yards down field in the 2nd half and held their own in the first half while Drones and Tuten were searching for lanes and angles. And sure, Tulane is G5 and didn't have their star DT, and gave up some yards in the AAC championship, but they were still a top 10 rushing defense for the season. And they played as if they wanted to prove that in the first half.
And, it's also pretty clear that VT will need more depth. They were extremely lucky that they didn't lose a starting OL for significant time due to injury. Having Clements and Schick be in a rotation but not starters would be a more ideal scenario, but they are not chumps. They are, in fact, Hokies that work freaking hard and improved significantly over the course of the season.
They got more movement later in the game. Some of those QB runs, the outside zone run fake and the wheel route fake pulled 4-5 defenders completely away from Drones. Sometimes it was 6 on 4 inside the box. Drones made the defense slow play the read, which allowed Tuten to get to the corner, and then Tuten's threat pulled folks away from Drones. It was like watching the way Fuente's offense should have run- straining the defense at multiple points to stretch the field and then having the skill guys to make one on one tacklers miss. Go back and watch that first Drones TD. You will never see an OL more lost than Chaplin was on that play, but it didn't matter because Tulane's front parted on the pass rush.
^^^this^^^, in spades!
They are a 2-man, culturing and chemistrying committee.
Atlas ballers. As they have (nearly) the whole entire shebang mueling around on their backs.
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Jury might be out, but there are a lot of reasons for optimism. Everyone comes back. Garrett was taking away snaps from Clements. We got a good transfer. Lots of hype around Lath. This will be the first time that any of these guys have had the same OL coach two years in a row. We are likely to add a second OL transfer at some point over the offseason. Not that our OL should be awesome, but those are a lot of factors that point to us being at least average to above average on OL which should translate to a lot of wins.
DO. NOT. JINX. US.
Go back and look at the film of our OL against good teams.
Are you sending Bourbon first?
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I think 7-10 wins a fair expectation even with our current OL. Looking at the growth we saw in this team during the season... the team that trounced UVA at the end of the season would have also beat Purdue, Marshall, and would've played Rutgers tight (maybe beaten them, maybe not). That's 8 wins right there.
That brings us to "compete for a berth in the conference championship game"... depends on what you consider 'competing' for a berth... does that just mean we're not mathematically eliminated from the title game before... say, week 10? Seems reasonable to me.
FSU and UofL are still the teams to beat. Miami will coach themselves into a couple loses, Clemson will still have Klubnik which hasn't been good. Also if #2 DB doesn't settle better you can just throw at him all day. UNC is going to be a lot worse. They don't have a Drake Maye walking onto that field. NC State has solid coaching and will be decent. GT is on the rise. Cuse has to many holes. Most everyone else will be worse.
If we aren't in the mix for the title game late then we did something wrong. I still think FSU and UofL are more talented and both have good coaching so we need more time to catch up in talent. But there's no reason for us to not be 3rd in the ACC.
Agree with all of that, although I think FSU may struggle to match their 2023 success next season. They have 24(!) players who have opted out of the Orange bowl. Those guys aren't coming back.
In addition to the short-term screw job the playoff committee did to FSU, they may have actually done some long-term damage to the program's confidence and even culture.
Sure, but lots of those guys came back to win a title. They still have tons of 4-5* recruits waiting to take their place. So why they might not go undefeated, they still have a large talent gap.
That's the fear, of course, and maybe the point.
Yea - I guess I'm just saying that 'being in the mix for the title game late' is vague.
I'm looking at NcSt, Louisville, Clemson (rumor is they are starting to recruit the portal), SMU, and Miami (though your point about Miami coaching themselves out of a win is well taken) to be top class of the ACC next year. I think FSU (assuming their roster remains depleted), VT, GT are the next level.
But it's too early to predict conference outcomes next year. A roster can look completely different come August.
I think SMU is gonna have a rude awakening transitioning to a real schedule. They lost pretty convincingly to all three P5s they faced, including hella mid TCU and BC teams
Smu will be okay. I think they'll be competing for the title in 3 years. They have the money and the moral compass to hire someone like art briles or Hugh freeze and win some ball games. They won't have any trouble recruiting either. They may struggle for a year or two but they will be formidable in short order. Unlike most of the rest of the acc, they care about football and will invest heavily to be competitive. And, sadly, it's not hard to be competitive in the acc, unfortunately
Yeah but next year i bet they get smacked. The saving grace is a relatively soft schedule -- BC, FSU, Pitt, Cal, BYU, TCU, Houston Christian at home; Vandy, Stanford, Duke, UVA, Louisville on the road. I think they're probably a 5 win team, maybe 3-4 conference wins.
i dunno; they have an OL recruit named King Large; that's probably worth a couple of wins all by itself.
LFG!!! Brent Pry 1-0 in bowl games, and we blew out a team we should have - Tulane had no coach, no key offensive players, etc. They scored on 2 short fields and we stomped them- exactly like we should have. Great win for the program. Our fans that sat in the horrible weather (in 5 years many posters here will say the weather was great Wednesday- lol) at any rate- they were treated to a great win. Let's roll into 24 on a positive note!
I gave you your flowers for calling the bad weather. But the one military bowl game I did go to the weather was actually good. It is possible.
Just not for us apparently. The silver lining is I got some new rain gear for Christmas to prep for attending the game.
I mean, they had their best offensive player (Hughes) and the entire OL blocking for him. It was kind of confounding that Tulane didn't stick with Hughes the way Marshall stuck with Ali.
I was very prepared for Tulane to give the Hokies a much tougher time. I would contend the biggest loss besides the QB was the nose tackle. The interior of the Tulane defensive line got pushed around like I didn't see on film all year. That DL group, which was just missing Cooper (the nose) got pushed around more by VT than the best teams on their schedule (Ole Miss and SMU, who was really good all year and then crapped the bed against BC.)
Need a starter caliber player that could play center or guard. It would be awesome if they could find a Brock Hoffman type who played like Hoffman after the whistle, but in between the whistles.
A safety with range and coverage ability, allowing Stroman to move to the boundary side, would be welcome.
I still think if an upgrade at LB becomes available and shows interest, they have to consider taking him and upgrading the current room.
What about corner that let's Delane play safety, he can cover and has range.
Was gonna ask the same question. Now French has to answer
I'd be open to it. Delane is a decent cover guy, but he is a really strong tackler. He was recruited as a safety. But I think where he plays will be dictated as much by what he wants and where he can translate his play in high school to the NFL, and he may be a bit small for safety in the NFL.
Also, while I am really high on Lovett and I like Johnson, we don't know what they are showing day to day in practice as far as being every down guys.
If this is the case, why not just let Canteen play corner and Delane play safety? I wonder why the pitch wasn't this way to Canteen. Otherwise, does Canteen's skill set at nickel not translate to Safety? Wish we could have kept Canteen around. For now I guess we have to trust the coaching staff. Damn, It's actually nice to say it and believe it. It's been a while fellas.
It would be nice if canteen stayed also. He was solid
What about the new transfer commit mike lb, Brumfield?
I noted in another thread, I am very lukewarm on him. Didn't play in goal line and passing down situations. Didn't appear very dynamic. I think there are better available.
That gave me a bit of concern hearing you say that on the pod.
On the other hand, just about anybody with true MLB experience is an upgrade for us at this point. Put him in on goal line. Couldn't possibly be worse than what we had this year.
Am I correct in thinking that Pry frequently pulled the mike in passing situations at PSU but Pry/Marve have not taken that approach in the last two years at Tech? If so, do we think that could change next season (i.e. someone like McDonald/Lawson is the 3rd down/nickle Mike linebacker) based on this signing?
Edit: wrong thread
French, I'm curious to know your thoughts on XTB - he got carries a few times this year, but I don't think he was ever on the field for a passing play, at least not as far as I can remember.
It feels like a case of "too athletic to not get the ball," which I guess is a good thing, but I wonder if he's so athletic, why he didn't earn more playing time over a guy like Green (who caught a few passes, but was mostly on the field for running plays this season)?
Do you think that his lack of snaps on passing plays has any bearing on his future as an every down WR for us, or do you think it's just a case of a freshman who isn't really physically ready to play, but is just too special to never get any carries?
There are lots of things that freshman recievers don't do well. It's rare they both pass block and run crisp routes. Some times it take time in the weight room, and just reps in practice and on their own. We also had a very senior group of WRs. I think the fact that we carved out a play for a freshman speaks volumes of his athletism that the staff wanted him on the field to help win games.
Like his majesty the James said, probably a combination of seniority (experience) and willingness/capability to block.
Lots of French's notes are about tes and wrs willing to block opening things up and the people on the field are blocking consistently
Green clearly picked up and could execute the offense faster. He got the most snaps of any freshman this year, and I noticed him lining young guys up a few times this year in mop up duty. I actually wouldn't be shocked if he ate a bit into Gosnell's production at receiver next year, Gosnell is mr reliable but Green is likely a talent upgrade at the 4th receiver spot
Tom Brady starting to look to Julian Edelman over Wes Welker
It would be nice to have done blow outs do that we can get Green, Turner-Bradshaw, Adam's, Wiggins, etc some time since they're going to have a lot of playing time in 2 seasons.