ππππ: #VirginiaTech guard Sean Pedulla will enter the transfer portal, @247Sports has learned.Pedulla earned All-ACC Third Team honors after averaging 16.4 points, 4.3 rebounds, and 4.6 assists per game. STORY | https://t.co/eJwimxhZId pic.twitter.com/LHOfevxioJβ Brandon Jenkins (@BJenkins247) March 27, 2024
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Oh boy we might need to.move on from Mike Young sooner than we thought
This one is ridiculous
Meh, Rech was supposed to be a better Pedulla - let's see if he develops this off-season
Don't cry- get someone fucking better. Go in the portal and get Oaklands point guard.
I agree. Pedulla was endemic to the overarching programmatic issue- couldn't stop the ball, not enough length to challenge shots.
They have to find more length, more commitment to stop the ball, and better finish at the rim at the 1, 2 and 3.
I am really excited about MJ collins. He plays great defense and has the ability to really score if he can build on what we saw to close out the season.
So will he be a sooner or a cowboy?
It's all lack of NIL commitment. Whit tried to spin in his morning interview with reporters that he doesn't believe women's basketball job is a stepping stone and that we are strong in NIL. Coaches/Players seem to be showing the opposite
Yes- I just heard that Pedulla's situation is simply an NFL holdout scenario. Give him more bag, and he will stay. This is so great. Thanks Jay Bilas. Thanks.
As someone who loves fair marketplaces, I think it's awesome.
So you are cool with VT super regional tickets for baseball being 10X what season tickets are? 99% of this board whined and bitched about that.
I personally don't care about super regional tickets because I have no plants to attend. But yes, on principle, I am fine with passing more costs to the consumer instead of taking advantage of free labor. That's how markets and capitalism work, and then the consumer makes the choice to attend.
I don't direct my ire at the lack of free labor no longer propping up a broken the system. However, I think salaries for coaches and admin (especially the latter because of their trash leadership) are bloated. More importantly, the missing piece of the puzzle is revenue sharing the money from the TV contracts with the players. Right now fans are asked to subsidize that cost (as you said).
Everyone knew how dumb it was these schools had to find things to do with a surplus of millions of dollars β hey remember Alabama having a barbershop in its facilities, lazy rivers and indoor water slides β instead of cutting the players in. It will take some time to unwind/unfuck that, but it's happening.
It's not and has never been free "labor" of course- as we literally sit here and discuss Pedulla leaving for money today possibly. Exchanging services (throwing a football) for goods ( a full scholarship, food, housing) is not what "free labor" is of course. You can argue that those goods aren't enough, but if that was the case, your market would have corrected that long, long ago.
"I give my coal miners company housing to live in, free food in the mess hall, and a school for their kids to go to, why won't they stop complaining?"
Invalid comparison... also - WE MUST FORGIVE STUDENT LOANS.... and SCHOLARSHIPS HAVE NO VALUE AND ARE EXPLOITATION. ha ha ha
The market didn't correct long ago because it was not free and open. Now it is, just a little, and it's rapidly correcting.
On the hyperbole scale from 0-10 β with 0 being no hyperbole and 10 being a dcwilson40 comment on TKP β I agree, that comment was probably a 3. But you can't buy groceries with books, and straight cash gets your a car. Cash is king.
I think more importantly, it's most certainly labor. Their bodies are at risk for longterm injury, both to body and brain, with absolutely 0 coverage from the NCAA. That's insane. All while these universities have squandered the dough.
Joe, I feel like you know something about effed up markets taking advantage of free labor because everyone expects the product to be free...
I LOL'd pretty hard at this
I'm sure the most hyperbolic comments are posted by his brother, acspaulding40 who just forgot to switch accounts.
I sold my textbooks for Taco Bell and Burger King coupons at the end of each semester. Selling them one at a time got you free food for days.
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I'll direct you to part of Joe's comment:
I got 5 cents for my physics textbook that cost me $280 at the beginning of the semester. I would have killed for a goddamn whopper
I kept those low-return books and took them to the rifle range out in Jefferson National Forrest. Some of the thicker ones catch lead pretty well.
That's because they really have to go to a new edition every year. You know, because subjects change really fast.
Just like the science behind the vaccines right?
Yes. Many viruses, especially RNA-based viruses like influenza, coronavirus, and HIV, mutate at high rate. Just like books at universities, their genomes change really quickly, making it difficult to vaccinate against to a level of eradication.
Retroviruses like HIV mutate at such a high rate that no vaccine has been found effective against it.
Coronavirus and influenza mutate at a relatively fast rate. The rate is fast enough that it is really difficult to eradicate and thus each flu season, their genomes are different enough that the prior year's vaccination is much less effective. They're also good at muting the long-term immune memory. Annual vaccination directed to the more recent serotypes is the best strategy to mitigate their virulence.
Smallpox virus, which has been globally eradicated for over 40 years, is slow mutating DNA virus, which is why vaccination against the smallpox has been so effective.
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Not to pick on anyone, but I was making a joke about textbooks not needing a new edition every year, thereby making a really expensive textbook valueless within one year. You know, making a joke.
It's clearly a business tactic designed to make impoverished students pay more for an education, while generating more profits for the textbook industry. I wasn't making a statement that new editions/updates/addendums couldn't EVER happen when new information comes out.
Please don't hijack...
I was also making a joke.. I forgot we're not even allowed to do that about the vaccine yet.
The problem is that "a joke about the vaccine" is probably going to piss off half the tkp user base.
I'm still triggered by the Covid Threads we had here and it's been literally 4 years
Political topics on TKP.
That's fair. I don't know your views on vaccines or any other peoples views on here, and honestly it doesn't matter. I developed vaccines at a biotech company as my first job after Virginia Tech before I went to grad school and I just generally care about public health. I just can't help myself when I see something close to anti-vax.
My comment was mostly TIC, but 100% factually accurate. I am a complete nerd and could talk science for days on end. And while vaccine science is well founded and based, it wouldn't change the mind of someone that insists on natural immunity. And I think the balance between bodily autonomy and public health is a genuine and fair debate.
God bless, and if you indulge, get your annual boosters. They're not perfect, and never will be due to the nature of the viruses, FDA approval process, and community acceptance. But, they have an important role to personal and public health.
I ended up keeping most of my textbooks.
Last fall, a water main burst up the street from our house flooded our cellar and damaged some of our belongings, including those textbooks which I hadn't opened once since graduating. Got nearly full price for them in the damage check from the water company. Successfully played the long game...
Well done! That was quite the scheme.
Nicely slow played it.
I also have all my text books. Still waiting on the flood, though
Flood came years ago, but didn't get to my textbooks. Long game didn't work for me. Ended up in the trash. Also were 40 years old at that point. Obviously missed the peak in the long game and stayed in the game too long.
Athletes cannot sell their books, it's what got Nebraska in trouble and why Bowden was docked wins.
It's why VT gives their athletes books to borrow each year. They have to return them after the semester or then pay for them. At least that's how it was when I was there.
Ah yes, I forgot about the days of selling my $250 textbook back to the book store for $3 taco bell coupons
Since the advent of athletic scholarships, it has not been "free" labor. And people have contended that the compensation was insufficient. (In absurd hyperbolic statements, but that is a rhetorical technique.)
The market IS correcting that "insufficiency." I agree it has very much overcompensated, and would settle back down if it was rational, but it's not rational.
You keep mentioning people's willingness to contribute money they possibly can't afford, to the cause of their chosen program. We can say that it's stupid (and it is), but it's their right to make stupid decisions with their money. That literally is the market.
The absurd hyperbole is employed on both sides of the "fair compensation" debate.
So all we need is to get some more fans who are both rich and stupid! π€
Well, I didn't win the powerball yesterday. So the rich is missing.
Right now? Fans subsidizing costs is how college sports have worked for as long as I know. VTs library was built by fans that have to much money so VT AD gave money to the university. It's always been fans, but in the past a few really wealthy fans covered costs and lowered prices.
Fans AND taxpayers AND students are subsidizing college sports.
Even for the most profitable teams.
https://businessofcollegesports.com/other/the-multibillion-dollar-indust...
Passing more costs to the consumer is fine, as long as the consumer's wallet adjusts to be able to handle it accordingly. The problem is, it hasn't been - at least, mine hasn't been. With very few exceptions, nobody I know is getting paid enough to subsidize college sports as they are, much less where they're headed.
As DC said down thread, that hardly stops some people from making it a priority in spite of themselves, but it's not sustainable. Unless the average person's wages suddenly quit stagnating, that money is soon going to have to go to more practical needs as they get more and more expensive. I think this bubble is going to burst sometime in the next quarter century. I just hope when it does, VT can become relevant again.
That goes back to supply and demand.
They can charge outrageous amounts because people pay them. If people stop doing that, the prices will go down.
PREACH
HammerTime got me by 40 seconds! Cheers!
EDIT: dammit
Pretty sure he was receiving death threats this season along with getting openly booed by the students at times. Not super surprised
same fucking losers that make 40K per year and donate their pensions to Alabama football. Fucking losers threaten college athletes.
"Winning"
It's their money. We can say it's dumb (it is), but they have the right to make dumb decisions with their own money.
We can say that it sucks to be left behind (and it does), but the collective Hokie "we" have simply decided that our mortgages, children's education, road infrastructure, and vacation trips are more worthwhile expenses than our state university sports success.
Different priorities, leading to different decisions, leading to different outcomes.
Edit to add: My head hurts just thinking this, but it's possible that we're the assholes who don't put as much of our personal money into this, then are upset that we're not competitive with those who do.
Yeah, who needs food, anyway? I mean, I got rhythm, I got music, I got VT, who could ask for anything more?
bold of you to assume anyone making 40k a year has a pension, but otherwise correct
Plenty of people making less than 40K have some sort of pension.
In any event, the money they donate is money they no longer have.
And in the next moment, some politician will be telling us how the taxpayer needs to subsidize them in some way.
State/County employees are generally paying into state retirement aka pension.
To preface, I do not follow college basketball nearly as closely or in depth as I do college football. That said, I am consistently confused by which players choose to enter the portal in college basketball. I feel like I am rarely surprised by college football portal entrants, but I am frequently confused by basketball portal moves. I clearly do not understand the culture/factors at play for these guys in the way I do in for college football.
It's simple. There are unlimited, unregulated transfers allowed and many players have 6 years to play 6 now. It's much easier to turn a hoops roster over, thus there are many more legit opportunities. Steve Forbes wasn't bullshitting all of those kids he took a couple years ago to literally flip his entire team- he honored those portal spots. Football coaches don't do that as much- not nearly. So for Pedulla, maybe it's a bigger brand school with more NIL? He can transfer without penalty. Free agent for a year.
This is concerning. We are losing players that aren't really that good. And we are losing players that even though they are not that good are the best players on this team. I will be surprised if either Kidd or Pedulla get a lot of interest from teams that are better than we are. That might mean there is a problem within our program.
Pedulla was still a 3rd All ACC selection, which means he is one of the best guards in the league. In my opinion, he can be a great player when he isn't playing hero ball, which maybe he can avoid at a different team/system.
100% - this year he was forced to play hero ball with the lack of handlers around him.
I hope the VT "fans" that have been hostile and shitty to Sean are now happy.
On second thought I hope they're miserable and find a different team to be a "fan" of.
Maybe they are the children of those same "fans" that slashed Maurice DeShazo's tires that year.
Three ACC teams had a player average more than 3 turnovers per game. We were one of them (Louisville and ND were the others)
Another concern with Pedulla wasn't just the turnovers, but the ATO margin. He finished with 147 assists to 105 turnovers.
The assists were good for 4th in the conference, but the margin was 16th. In conference, those numbers both dropped (5th and 18th respective)
Wow...so is it a program problem, or a NIL problem? Maybe it's both, but either way the last 8 years or so of basketball have been relatively successfully and I feel like this may be the beginning of regressing. Still a lot to play out...just my feelings right now.
Both. All the money is unfortunately justifiably going to football
Mike better not miss on any transfers this off season or next years team will be lucky to even sniff the NIT.
Welp...both Basketball Programs are in a nosedive just as we are trying to get money for Cassel renovations.
I think they would call this timing "less than ideal"
Thought #2---to the "NIL isn't the problem here crowd"
If this wasnt about NIL, why would Pedulla freely say that he is strongly considering coming back? Clearly, he doesn't have a problem with Mike Young or with his role. He has vultures circling with offers from everywhere.
Its about the bag...always has been. Get your heads out of the goddamn sand.
College sports are fully destroyed at this point, at least be fucking honest about what got us here. This shit didnt happen 5 years ago.
Amen. Pro sports
I mostly agree with you. The NIL portion is extremely loud and omnipresent. Every player has to be thinking about their NIL value and whether playing for Mike Young, VT, or whatever is worth more than getting paid a bigger bag at probably another school with a similar caliber program and coach, and likely a better roster construction.
To put a positive spin on things, it is crazy what Pry is doing with the football team. You have to appreciate what is going on there and as a fan go all in on the 2024 season.
Georgia Amoore's Twitter profile has said professional athlete for as long as I can remember. No surprise here they expect to get paid.
Yes yes indeed, Cash is King. In business, one owner who mentored me long ago said, "always take the cash".
College Sports is now about making money for everyone involved - Front and Center. You know how much Cash is King?.....look how fast things are changing now that NIL and the portal are in full effect. It's so much about the money, being a student athlete and getting a degree is an after thought at best or has been largely thrown out the door.
College sports is not a way for a kid to get a full ride and scholly so they can get a "free education". It's about one thing only - Do Re Mi.
Between the waves of Hokie bad news and the NFL rule changes, it's been a really rough week for me to care about sports.
If you watched XFL then you would appreciate how much more exciting the kickoff change is. I think they botched the onside kick decision. The XFL rule of opting for a 4th and 15 rather than kicking added some fun moments in the XFL.
NFL has a formal agreement with XFL and extended it to the new UFL to experiment with rules they are considering implementing. I really wish the NFL would do their play reviews the way the XFL did. It was engaging and left no question on what they reviewed.
Agree. In my opinion the rule changes are going to be a positive
But it's going to cost me those extra few minutes that I need to go get a drink or take a piss in between when a team scores and they go to commercial, just to come back and show us a football being kicked into the 5th row of the stands, to then send us back to more of the same commercials we just saw featuring Patrick Mahomes or Travis Kelce.
I get all that, but I also kind of don't care. They need to leave the game alone, it was fine the way it was (well, no it wasn't, but now it's gotten even worse).
But the kickoff rule doesn't bug me as much as them finding new and creative ways to hamstring defenses with arbitrary rule changes that increase the refs' impact on the game even more, with that tackling rule. Just cave completely and say you're a flag football league now, we all know it's coming. Tackling was a lost art before this rule, now it's going to become almost unheard of.