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Welcome aboard! Now let's start pounding away with some big hits.
I will choose to be excited about this news.
Stole one of the few Virginia kids, ranked top 30 in the state (#16), that uva felt ok about bahahaha
He wants to play big boy football, not drink Zimas
UVa felt like they were the leader for a long long time (and rightfully so). He and Clatterbaugh are very close friends so Brett's commitment meant a lot. He is a really good player
Fantastic. Really glad to steal a good player from the douches.
Pry: man with a plan.
Awesome; Plankton Go get that crabby patty formuler!
Welcome, Hokie!
Footage of the call to Coach Pry:
This looks like a solid get. Welcome Home!!
He seems like those mid 3* that Beamer would get and they'd ball put their 4th year and like 2nd or 3rd team all acc and be a 5th round pick while similar stat guys would go to another school and your never hear from them again.
I think this is a really good prospect. He's a "read and react" type of player, as are most kids who play secondary in high school, who reacts really well. Good ball skills. Football fast (I'm not sure how fast he is, but he has good football speed). He has a good frame and seems like a kid who, when/if committed to the strength and conditioning program, could really be a force. I think he's a better prospect than one or two of the higher rated guys on our radar.
With that being said, though his fundamentals are decent for a high school player, he will definitely require some polishing. He does tend to sit on his heels a bit when forced to line up across from a WR, and with that can get turned around. He leans on his ability to read and react (instincts) far more than his fundamentals in some of the clips I saw (not unusual for a high school kid), but that doesn't limit him from making plays at his level.
One thing I'm learning about Pry and co. is that they seem to have a very targeted approach to their prospecting. They know where the needs are on the roster and they seem to isolate the very best player they can get for that need. It might not always be the highest rated prospect, but they seem to be prospects they believe can be developed. As stated above, it's very Beamer like.
A couple decades ago some likened Beaner to a KSU basketball coach that was very good and won lot but always was outmatched vs the top teams because the coach would go find the best rebounding power forward, but that's his job, rebound. And a corner shooter, and so forth. he neblver looked for the best basketball player, he looked for the best player to do X. The Kansas's and Duke's of the world made them play a different game, but until the tournament they forced teams to player their game and it worked very well.
You can do very well with the best player that does X, if that fits what you need to do, but UGA, OSU, Bama, Iowa defense, will impose themselves. But honestly, winning 80% of our games would be great even if we don't best the big boys right now
The issue with Beamer is that he always seemed to miss on that key recruit that he needed in order to get over the hump (there are exceptions, though). The whole Tajh Boyd, Marquise Williams, Logan Thomas era really sticks out. If Beamer lands one of the two and is able to keep LT at the TE/SE position(s), I really think he gets another shot at the National Championship. His legacy, as amazing as it is, will have this kind of thing in the background.
Tahj Boyd originally committed to WVU but after WVU stumbled in losses to ECU and Colorado Boyd decommitted and committed to Tennessee. WVU then signed Gino Smith and added Stedman Bailey and Tavon Austin. Boyd then decommitted from Tennessee and signed with Clemson. When they were sophomores, Smith and WVU beat Clemson and Boyd 77-33 in the Orange Bowl. Gino is still playing in the NFL. I think WVU got the better player.
Very accurate... I was making a more general point about some of the things we saw from a recruiting standpoint where, while getting fantastic developmental prospects, we missed on some key players that would have allowed us to manage the roster a tad better.
Beamer is still coaching. He is called Kirk Ferentz. Run 3 plays, punt, don't throw risky passes over the middle and hope your defense holds the other team to 9 points. Literally the same coach. Beamer didn't win a national title, because he was way too conservative on offense, and way too loyal to underperforming coaches. Ferentz is a damn clone in every way.
As a fan of both schools, Ferentz has reminded me of Beams since well before he retired.
Chat GPT says average ppg under Beamer leadership was seasonally between 28 to 35, while Ferenyz it's 20 to 30. A big difference
So we clarify, Ferentz aspires to be Beamer.
Or the other way seeing how much more talent we had on offense that was wasted by Stinespring/Lefty
Yes and no. If that was the case, we would have had a bunch of Randy Mosses, Marhsall Faulks, etc in the NFL on offense. We did not. If Stiney wasted a ton of talent, Josh Harper would have made an opening day roster. Mike Imoh would have played in the league. Sean Glennon would have been a backup for a while, etc, etc, etc. Did they not get the most out of college level talent that perhaps was overrated by OM glasses? sure.
I think we wasted a lot of talent on offense because we had Sean Glennon. Brandon Ore, Eddie Royal, Josh Morgan, David Clowney, Duane Brown were all very talented players and we didn't do much with that group because it was Sean Glennon at QB. Marcus Vick would have taken us to a championship with that roster had he stayed out of trouble.
Sean Glennon- better than average ACC QB, yes. Also lost his job to Tyrod. Never played in the NFL. Brandon Ore- never in the top of the ACC at RB, never played in the league. Nice player at times. Eddie Royal- yes pro WR, all ACC guy. Josh Morgan- Yes Pro WR. David Clowney- yes pro WR. Duane Brown- one of the top 3 VT NFL players ever, so yes.
Brandon Ore had off the field issues and got kicked off the team and he still is 5th most rushing yards by a hokie.
I know its different times but Sean Glennon's career qb rating doesn't put him in the tip half of the league any year in the last 15. He top yearly rating puts him top 5 only once which was 2010 which was an abysmal year for ACC QB play. TJ Yates was 2nd behind Tyrod. Burmiester had better numbers as a VT QB (different era of offenses but still)
you got me by two min
Surprised Ore is that high honestly. I will not share exactly what Billy Hite told me about Ore. To paraphrase... You wait for him to hit his head one day and "get it" this thing called being a responsible human...
Are you though?
*zing*
Could have been great, but obviously derailed by who he was hanging around. That whole crack cocaine case where he was in the car was the final straw for him.
2005 Miami game has entered the chat.
MV5 was incredibly gifted athletically, but a leader he was not.
I wish there were legal sports betting apps that night. why? I had the luck/good fortune of being around the VT team 3 hours prior to the game. I knew we were going to get our asses kicked that night.
Maybe you've elaborated elsewhere and I missed it, but what in particular gave you that feeling?
When i was in the corps- same head football coach /many of the same staff we had in 05- Bud, Charlie, Cav... etc. Back then I covered the team for VTTV as part of a class. From the moment the team left the hotel to stretching, you could hear a pin drop. On that night in 05 it was a party atmosphere and a ton of "whooping" loud rap music, etc. Not a very serious vibe. I also read that week that Coker had the "U" painted on their practice field and told the team they forgot who they were when they played VT. I knew we were in trouble.
I don't disagree with that, but there is an uncountable list of very good college offenses without NFL level talent. The talent we had was very good. Not elite, but we way underperformed for what we had. (Definitely a lot better than Iowa's talent under Ferentz.)
With more a more competent offense I have no doubt we would make multiple and probably win at least one national championship in the 2000's.
I thought our best team of that era was the 2005 team. 17th in the country in PPG, 19th in total offense- so that wasn't a "stiney wasted talent year"- the offense was very good. What happened in 2005? We got killed at home by Miami and we lost to a mid at best FSU in the ACC CG where we outgained them in yards - again not terrible offense... we gave up 24 points in the 3rd Q- one on a punt return. So one of our best objective chances, you can't pin it on "wasted offensive talent"
That was the game where they were looking ahead against an 8-4 FSU team.
I'd also be careful using ppg to rate Beamer's (and - the one I really could not stand - Stinespring's) offenses. A lot of those points we scored were either on special teams, by the defense or set up on a silver platter by the special teams or defense. You may be totally right. A lot of Iowa's points were probably also set up by their defense. I'm not disagreeing with your overall take. I just think when you have such great special teams and defenses as we had for a long time, they can make the offense look a lot better than they really are. Especially in terms of points scored.
Which even further cements the argument Beamer is a much better coach. His teams were prepared to score in all three phases of the game.
"A lot of those points we scored were either on special teams, by the defense or set up on a silver platter by the special teams or defense." I don't have time to research it, but this is called football. I don't have the data on short drives for Chip Kelly's oregon teams or Bellichicks patriots, but I am guessing VT's were not disproportionate. IMO- this is a perception/reality thing. All good teams compliment each other in the 3 phases.
It's still an apples-to-apples comparison. Both coaches are thematically similar, and rely on defense (and special teams) to win games. I think it's fair to include all scoring in ppg, as long as you're comparing head coaches, and not offensive coordinators.
That is the exact definition of "Beamerball".