I was intrigued with the idea of Trinity as a Jedi. I was excited when she was in the opening scene. ...And I have been meh since. Too many Jedi characters without a point.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
My wife was also really excited about that too and then they SPOILER ALERT so soon. We've enjoyed it thus far though. I'm digging the character Jedi Master Sol.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
He's really carrying the show. For me, a lot of it hinges on the Master character that Mae is mixed up with. If he is a worthy villain, alright let's mix it up. If not...meh. I WANT ANDOR SEASON 2!!!
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
It's been very "meh" so far until the very end of the latest episode. I was considering skipping it until the Big Bad showed up and suddenly made it way more interesting.
Side note; I think having more and more Jedi really dilutes their "specialness". Just so many that are nameless canon fodder and nobodies. Like, how many Jedi were in the original movies, then the prequels, and then the sequels. Now there's a shit load of them.
I've also found myself having a hard time rooting for them in this series as their actions seem a bit "questionable". They aren't really coming off as the good guys so far, at least to me.
***POTENTIAL SPOILERS***
Thoughts on who the big bad is? My guess is it's one of the witch mothers (Mother Aniseya or Mother Koril).
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
Side note; I think having more and more Jedi really dilutes their "specialness". Just so many that are nameless canon fodder and nobodies. Like, how many Jedi were in the original movies, then the prequels, and then the sequels. Now there's a shit load of them.
I think that's kind of the point of setting the show in the High Republic era. It's supposed to show you a time when there were a lot more jedi and how they were used prior to Clone Wars.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
I'm just a casual Star Wars fan (mostly just live-action movies and shows) so I have no idea what the High Republic era is. From that standpoint, it's odd to me that the vast majority of the characters in the show are Jedi. Or maybe it just seems that way because they are all wearing their official robes/uniforms? Again, this is more of a casual fans point of view.
But, if that is the case for the High Republic era then it makes sense why I would feel like there are too many of them and how that could be troublesome. It's like they're the Space Cops fucking shit up with impunity and it makes sense why a lot of people might not be cool with their actions and turn against them. In that case, the show is actually making it's point pretty well.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
I'm just a casual Star Wars fan (mostly just live-action movies and shows) so I have no idea what the High Republic era is. From that standpoint, it's odd to me that the vast majority of the characters in the show are Jedi
The opening sequence/credits says the story takes place in a time when 'the Jedi prospered' or something like that
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
i've been si si very intrigued, mostly because we have a huge gap in understanding as to what actually happened at the witch coven, and why Ol Torbs would feel bad enough about it to take the Barash Vow and then intentionally drink poison to kill himself, and then how Mae survived and became connected with whoever her "master" is.
I bet we get another episode similar to #3 that shows the "same events" but from Mae's perspective, and possibly more exposition from Sol's/the Jedi perspective. I do appreciate that they didn't just lean into the whole unreliable narrator thing and have it be Mae/Osha as a Star Wars-version of Moon Knight with dissociative personalities or whatever
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
Hopefully if they do the episode 3 from Mae's perspective it's only part of an episode (maybe mixed in with what the Jedi actually did because there's no way that fire that Mae started spread that fast, not to mention Chekhov's creaking sound earlier in the episode that Mother Koril is sent to investigate).
I think I read this season is only 8 episodes so we're halfway through and I feel like we really don't have any idea where we're heading so idk how much time they can devote revisiting that moment (I feel like I've had this issue with almost every live action Disney+ marvel or Star Wars show except for Andor).
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
The fire definitely didn't kill all of the witches. It's a stone temple. What would actually burn? That was very unbelievable, unless you were a scared little kid like Osha. I too get the feeling that something is amiss. We only saw them briefly but it looked like the witches bodies weren't even burned.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
Yes, something is yet to be revealed about that tragedy. Because from what we have been told the Jedi have little to be apologetic for and yet that one Jedi felt so bad he willingly accepted that poison
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
I have enjoyed it. I think the point of the Tales of the Jedi and the attempted point of the Daisey Ridley interactions with Luke is that the Jedi's own behavior made them susceptible to being destroyed.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
I can't get excited for a franchise anymore that drops content every 6 months. It has to be getting rave reviews and be spectacular for me to want to sit and invest my time. Unfortunately, most of the Star Wars stuff since Episode 7, 8, 9 released as well as the introduction of Disney+ and the abundance of multiple series created for streaming purposes has been not great.
Rogue One might be the best Star Wars related content since the original 3 dropped in the 70s.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
I feel this way about Marvel but I'm not there yet for the Star Wars series. This one has been just ok so far, but I am definitely hyped for Andor Season 2. Beyond that I will be waiting to see if the newer movies scheduled turn out to be good or not.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
I do find it interesting that a lot of people say that Andor and Rogue One are the best Star Wars properties and yet Jedi aren't in either (or if they are, they are barely there). I really hope the decision makers that green light more Star Wars projects realize that their is a significant audience interested in the rest of the Star Wars universe that isn't centered on the Jedi.
I think we're starting to see people getting Jedi fatigue with stories about the space ninjas. Marvel isn't going to get people over superhero fatigue by including thirty new superheroes in each new movie/show. I'm worried that the Star Wars decision makers are going to have to learn that same lesson the hard way.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
I don't get the jedi fatigue...
Space ninjas are fun. Its all fun. Thats like saying you don't like "knights". They're knights with some superpowers. Fighting monks, whatever. Asohka was good stuff. And i'm enjoying the link back to content to the Clone Wars and Rebels.
Guess what else was fun? all the other non-jedi stuff. Andor, Rogue One, all good stuff.
Having both creates some interesting contrast. I eat up all the extra content/canon/whatever, regardless of whether its Andor quality or Episode 8 quality....
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
For me it's not Jedi fatigue as much as it is Star Wars is running out of angles to tell the same stories. Seems like once a year there's another Jedi who somehow survived order 66 and then creating an elaborate story in a show or cartoon or explain why they never showed up in the original movies. It just feels very low stakes even if the writing is good. I liked Bad Batch but it is very much a "so what?"
Just tell some new stories. Jedi or not. For that reason I was excited for this show to be set in a somewhat different era. But so far I'm very unimpressed
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
I think its pretty easy to explain....
Jedi are spread out across the galaxy. There could have been some without a clone trooper nearby. Some are meditating. The fact that they remained hidden (possibly the rest of their lives) very much fits in with the monk-discipline-no personal attachments attitude of the Jedi. There are tons of reasons why any Jedi might survive order 66 AND the inquisitors.
I find it to be very plausible, and really helps the storyteller expand the jedi universe.
Bad Batch is fun, and agree, very low stakes. Doesn't ruin it for me, but I get that perspective.
I think the Acolyte started very slowly, but I think the pace picked up at the end of the most recent episode. I'm hopeful it keeps accelerating. They're trying to add depth to the characters to the twins. While I think they're not doing a great job of doing that, I still think its fun.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
following up on Jedi fatigue -- i think it's more trying to tell all these stories from the same timeline. it's a big galaxy and we already saw firsthand all the core events in the movies, so by default anything new feels ancillary at best, and yet some of those things can actually be very interesting (like The Hidden Path, the Inquisitors, etc)
so to get around that, you either zoom way in on the "small story" of an individual (Andor, although it really is a lot of small stories together with Andor, Luthen, Mon Mothma, etc), you shift slightly into a timeline gap (post-VI, pre-VII like Mandalorian and Ahsoka; post-III, pre-IV like Bad Batch, Rebels, Obi Wan Kenobi), or you just move strongly into a new timeline (the acolyte).
i really would love them to do some content set in the old republic or to canonize the Darth Bane novel trilogy into live-action movies or a three-season animated tv series
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
I could get behind a Darth Bane series, or maybe something with the Brotherhood of Darkness and the Jedi-Sith war. It could be interesting to see mobs of Sith instead of just two.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
Had a few friends over this past Friday. We're having the same conversation. I said, give me 4, 5, 6 (minus the Ewoks), and Rogue One all day long. The rest.....meh...
EDIT: Andor is the only other series I would watch. For the most part, enjoyed it.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
That's immediately what I thought. He sees himself in her in how their path with the Order is similar. Going back to an earlier episode if I remember correctly, he did seem intrigued by her when he was pretending to be that shop guy for Mae.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
Finally get the not-osha-centric view of what happened....
first off, let's talk about Sol Heung Min for a minute --- whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
super complicated character based on this episode. he chose to save osha instead of mae, he chose to involve himself, so forth.
interesting that we see torbin and kelnacca be the ones living out their regret -- could it be from having been mind controlled?
also what the heck indara -- force killing all those witches through kelnacca's mind? crazy
literally an epidoe of "well that could have been avoided" as one thing after another goes wrong... a lot of it likely hinging on Mae repeating (out of context) a line from the witches that leads the jedi to believe the kids are gonna be child sacrificed????
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
I never thought we'd see a kyber crystal bleed in live action. That was amazing. And possibly one of the coolest light saber fights. I love how we keep seeing ideas from scene 38 reimagined pop up in star wars media
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
The internet seems to be hating on Acolyte, but I really enjoyed this season/show. I get the complaints about the cliff hangers, but this is Disney's business model. It's interesting seeing that people who binge it overwhelmingly love it.
Anyways, the finale was an absolute banger. The epitome of 'the path to hell is paved with good intentions.' So many open questions, this has to get a second season.
I love every series Disney has put out with Star Wars. They're fun, thoughtful, light enough that you're not questioning your self being, but the characters are still dynamic and complex. It's exactly what I want out of Star Wars, I just want more. Which is good for Disney.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
I really enjoyed the finale; was sad to see Sol go, but what an end it was. A little eye roll when Mae had to have her memory wiped, but interested to see how they keep her involved with the show.
The two major fights between Qimir and Sol were just incredible, especially the one in the finale. Definitely exceeded expectations and made up for a little bit of clunkiness with the show.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
I feel like this show could've been avoided with one good, long talk.
Mae: "You killed my mother! You deserve to die!"
Sol: "You don't actually have a mother...."
Mae & Osha: "What?"
Sol: *Explains situation about how they were created by the Force*
Sol: "Also, your mother and her coven were playing mind games and attempting to kill us, so we fought back which unfortunately ended with her death.
Sol: "Also, your so-called "Mother" was going to sacrifice you both for the good of the Coven, so in reality, we saved both of y'all's lives"
Mae: "So I killed those Jedi for nothing?"
Sol: "Yes, you're under arrest"
Mae: "Poop"
Osha: "So now what?"
Sol: "We finish your Jedi training"
To this show's credit, the lightsaber fights were vastly superior to anything in Ahsoka.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
Considering the timeframe between the last time Ahsoka had proper training and how the Jedi in Acolyte were at the height of their institutional power, does it not make sense that those in Acolyte would be better swordsmen?
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
The fights in time between training aside, the fights in Ahsoka felt clumsy, slow, and poorly choreographed. I really doubt they thought about time between training having to translate to a sloppy performance when they decided it was time for a lightsaber duel. If that was the case, they should've made Ahsoka die immediately due to being out of practice.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
Even an out of practice swordsman still maintains some degree of competency with their weapon.
Ahsoka still used her sabers on occasion, Kenobi didn't. That's why she hadn't forgotten how to use them, unlike Kenobi, where he had gone a decade without using them.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
Kenobi didn't have to rely on his skill with the weapon or his age impacting reaction time and strength. Kenobi's prowess came from anticipating moves due to mastery of THE FORCE.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
Sol: "Also, your so-called "Mother" was going to sacrifice you both for the good of the Coven, so in reality, we saved both of y'all's lives"
this is where it gets sticky -- that was an olympic-sized leap to conclusions by sol. given that we see mama adisenya allow osha to leave w with jedi, i think it was more of a figurative sacrifice than a literal one
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
Which I kind of feel like gets to one of the most interesting things about the season: there's no one villain. Every main character is villainous or flawed in one way. Makes it interesting, but also causes some issues with direction and connection of plot.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
The show could have been avoided if the Jedi minded their own damn business and just left the coven alone.
They were just peacefully living their lives and practicing their religion. Maybe I'm missing some backstory or lore that wasn't in the show, but at no point did the show suggest that the coven was going to actually kill Osha and Mae. That scenario only existed in Sol's head with zero evidence to back it up. Some of the witches called them the future of their coven and vocally protested Mother Aniseya letting Osha leave. How would they be the future of the coven if they were dead?
Then the Jedi break into thier home and demand to inspect their children. Only then did one of the witches play mind games to try and deter the invading Jedi. Try that in my house and see what happens. To me, the witches using their power to get the Jedi to leave is 100% defensible.
After that, the Jedi broke in again and demanded to take their children this time. Again, the witches tried to defend themselves and their children in their own home using the methods they had at their disposal and were killed for it by the people that broke in. Was it okay because the Jedi were scared? Maybe don't break into someones house and demand to take their kids. Then they covered it up, you know, just like good upstanding members of society.
Maybe I'm crazy, but to me their is no ambiguity here. Sol came off as a zealot with a deep, hateful prejudice against a religion that he didn't understand and worst of all, a creepy obsession with two kids that he didn't even know. How many times did he whine to Indara that he wanted a padawan? Then he sees a random kid in the forest and becomes obsessed with having her and does all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify taking her. You could tell that Indara could sense that Sol was becoming a problem and should have dealt with it instead of letting him spiral. She should have seen that Torbin was messed up from his encounter with the coven and sent him back to Coruscant. In my opinion, Kelnacca was the only member of that group who is blameless.
The only "good guy" was the senator that said that the Jedi need some serious oversight. Seems to me that the Jedi at least need to start wearing body-cameras.
I also have to push back on the "she wasn't really your mother" bullshit. If someone created me and raise me and loved me as their child then, biologically or not, that is my mother. If you kill her and then say she wasn't technically my mom, it sure as shit isn't going to change mind about whether or not she was my mother and it definitely isn't going to make you killing her justified.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
Is is just me, or is anyone not happy with this show's direction of trying to portray the Jedi as evil-intentioned due to their pride/hubris/power. Add in the sexualization element they introduced and the attempt to portray the Sith as misunderstood rebels against the Jedi's abusive control of the galaxy and I simply do not like this direction. The Sith are massively evil and have no problem with slaughtering countless millions across the galaxy to get their way. Episodes one through six leave no doubt that the galaxy is a black and white battle between good and evil, yet this show tries to muddy that water with all sorts of shades of grey between the Jedi and the Sith. This is not George Lucas Star Wars to me. It may be entertaining, but it is not the Star Wars galaxy that I want to watch. And don't get me started on how many times this show has broken canon with the original movies and changed the lore of SW to suit their storytelling desires.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
Oh man i have so many thoughts -- the short of it is that the prequels just did a really bad job of exploring jedi hubris when they absolutely teetered on doing so. Yes the dark side is Bad Guys, but it's entirely alluring and paved with "good intentions". It's the same way Dooku fell to the dark side even after being Yoda's padawan, and the same way Anakin did.
"How could the Jedi become complacent enough to let a sith become chancellor totally undetected and be dragged into a war where they got played so badly?" is a question people have been asking for 20 years
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
Not surprising after the viewership numbers fell off as many people who watched early episodes never finished the series. It's hard to justify the insane budget for a show like that if you can't show a return. Hopefully Disney/Lucasfilm will take a lesson that people care about good stories and keep things like Andor going.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
Like most of the Disney-produced Star Wars shows, my initial thought was "why the hell do we need this?" And then I end up enjoying it.
I've watched 3 episodes and I like it. Like you said, it's not meant to be taken too seriously. The plot is basically every Star Wars kid's fantasy of being magically transported from Earth to the Star Wars universe.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
Some of it is super cheesy. The argh pirate voice from the robot. The owl that ends up sounding like the mom from Bluey when she's talking to the girl. The entire section of the episode where they go to the wasteland planet and spend time doing target practice was unnecessary.
It's a decent watch. I put it on while doing dishes. It was fine for that.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
Captain Hook's first mate was Smee. The droid is essentially taking the place of first mate. (But not really. There was a first mate that got greedy) So, they named him SM33.
Log in or register to post comments about the Virginia Tech Hokies
Comments
Whelmed. I'm having trouble attaching to any of the characters.
Isn't that kind of the point of Star Wars? Like, it's supposed to be pretty simple. It's intentionally the opposite of Game of Thrones.
You said Acolytes?
I was intrigued with the idea of Trinity as a Jedi. I was excited when she was in the opening scene. ...And I have been meh since. Too many Jedi characters without a point.
My wife was also really excited about that too and then they SPOILER ALERT so soon. We've enjoyed it thus far though. I'm digging the character Jedi Master Sol.
He's really carrying the show. For me, a lot of it hinges on the Master character that Mae is mixed up with. If he is a worthy villain, alright let's mix it up. If not...meh. I WANT ANDOR SEASON 2!!!
He is the most interesting character at this point. Oshie and Mae are kind of bland.
It's been very "meh" so far until the very end of the latest episode. I was considering skipping it until the Big Bad showed up and suddenly made it way more interesting.
Side note; I think having more and more Jedi really dilutes their "specialness". Just so many that are nameless canon fodder and nobodies. Like, how many Jedi were in the original movies, then the prequels, and then the sequels. Now there's a shit load of them.
I've also found myself having a hard time rooting for them in this series as their actions seem a bit "questionable". They aren't really coming off as the good guys so far, at least to me.
***POTENTIAL SPOILERS***
Thoughts on who the big bad is? My guess is it's one of the witch mothers (Mother Aniseya or Mother Koril).
Mother Aniseya makes the most sense to me. It does feel like they want you to think it is the Qimir character which is why I think it is not.
I think that's kind of the point of setting the show in the High Republic era. It's supposed to show you a time when there were a lot more jedi and how they were used prior to Clone Wars.
Agreed - the political squabbles are meant to illustrate and foreshadow that even the jedi are subject to organizational issues.
I'm just a casual Star Wars fan (mostly just live-action movies and shows) so I have no idea what the High Republic era is. From that standpoint, it's odd to me that the vast majority of the characters in the show are Jedi. Or maybe it just seems that way because they are all wearing their official robes/uniforms? Again, this is more of a casual fans point of view.
But, if that is the case for the High Republic era then it makes sense why I would feel like there are too many of them and how that could be troublesome. It's like they're the Space Cops fucking shit up with impunity and it makes sense why a lot of people might not be cool with their actions and turn against them. In that case, the show is actually making it's point pretty well.
The opening sequence/credits says the story takes place in a time when 'the Jedi prospered' or something like that
Isn't that point of having a show set in the high republic?
This also reminds me of the ending to Attack of the Clones where like 500 nameless jedi are just normal soldiers against droids
My guess its the sketchy dude she's traveling with that conveniently knows all the answers...
i've been si si very intrigued, mostly because we have a huge gap in understanding as to what actually happened at the witch coven, and why Ol Torbs would feel bad enough about it to take the Barash Vow and then intentionally drink poison to kill himself, and then how Mae survived and became connected with whoever her "master" is.
I bet we get another episode similar to #3 that shows the "same events" but from Mae's perspective, and possibly more exposition from Sol's/the Jedi perspective. I do appreciate that they didn't just lean into the whole unreliable narrator thing and have it be Mae/Osha as a Star Wars-version of Moon Knight with dissociative personalities or whatever
Hopefully if they do the episode 3 from Mae's perspective it's only part of an episode (maybe mixed in with what the Jedi actually did because there's no way that fire that Mae started spread that fast, not to mention Chekhov's creaking sound earlier in the episode that Mother Koril is sent to investigate).
I think I read this season is only 8 episodes so we're halfway through and I feel like we really don't have any idea where we're heading so idk how much time they can devote revisiting that moment (I feel like I've had this issue with almost every live action Disney+ marvel or Star Wars show except for Andor).
Same. It reminds me particularly of how they took a long time building up in the Kenobi series.
The fire definitely didn't kill all of the witches. It's a stone temple. What would actually burn? That was very unbelievable, unless you were a scared little kid like Osha. I too get the feeling that something is amiss. We only saw them briefly but it looked like the witches bodies weren't even burned.
Yes, something is yet to be revealed about that tragedy. Because from what we have been told the Jedi have little to be apologetic for and yet that one Jedi felt so bad he willingly accepted that poison
I have enjoyed it. I think the point of the Tales of the Jedi and the attempted point of the Daisey Ridley interactions with Luke is that the Jedi's own behavior made them susceptible to being destroyed.
I can't get excited for a franchise anymore that drops content every 6 months. It has to be getting rave reviews and be spectacular for me to want to sit and invest my time. Unfortunately, most of the Star Wars stuff since Episode 7, 8, 9 released as well as the introduction of Disney+ and the abundance of multiple series created for streaming purposes has been not great.
Rogue One might be the best Star Wars related content since the original 3 dropped in the 70s.
I feel this way about Marvel but I'm not there yet for the Star Wars series. This one has been just ok so far, but I am definitely hyped for Andor Season 2. Beyond that I will be waiting to see if the newer movies scheduled turn out to be good or not.
I soured slightly with the beginning of the fighting Teddy Bears and hung on through the clone wars.
Check out Andor. I think it's even better than Rogue One and i love Rogue One
I think rogue one, andor, and parts of mandolorian are the best content by far
I do find it interesting that a lot of people say that Andor and Rogue One are the best Star Wars properties and yet Jedi aren't in either (or if they are, they are barely there). I really hope the decision makers that green light more Star Wars projects realize that their is a significant audience interested in the rest of the Star Wars universe that isn't centered on the Jedi.
I think we're starting to see people getting Jedi fatigue with stories about the space ninjas. Marvel isn't going to get people over superhero fatigue by including thirty new superheroes in each new movie/show. I'm worried that the Star Wars decision makers are going to have to learn that same lesson the hard way.
Yes but also the WRITING is significantly a cut above the other content
I don't get the jedi fatigue...
Space ninjas are fun. Its all fun. Thats like saying you don't like "knights". They're knights with some superpowers. Fighting monks, whatever. Asohka was good stuff. And i'm enjoying the link back to content to the Clone Wars and Rebels.
Guess what else was fun? all the other non-jedi stuff. Andor, Rogue One, all good stuff.
Having both creates some interesting contrast. I eat up all the extra content/canon/whatever, regardless of whether its Andor quality or Episode 8 quality....
For me it's not Jedi fatigue as much as it is Star Wars is running out of angles to tell the same stories. Seems like once a year there's another Jedi who somehow survived order 66 and then creating an elaborate story in a show or cartoon or explain why they never showed up in the original movies. It just feels very low stakes even if the writing is good. I liked Bad Batch but it is very much a "so what?"
Just tell some new stories. Jedi or not. For that reason I was excited for this show to be set in a somewhat different era. But so far I'm very unimpressed
I think its pretty easy to explain....
Jedi are spread out across the galaxy. There could have been some without a clone trooper nearby. Some are meditating. The fact that they remained hidden (possibly the rest of their lives) very much fits in with the monk-discipline-no personal attachments attitude of the Jedi. There are tons of reasons why any Jedi might survive order 66 AND the inquisitors.
I find it to be very plausible, and really helps the storyteller expand the jedi universe.
Bad Batch is fun, and agree, very low stakes. Doesn't ruin it for me, but I get that perspective.
I think the Acolyte started very slowly, but I think the pace picked up at the end of the most recent episode. I'm hopeful it keeps accelerating. They're trying to add depth to the characters to the twins. While I think they're not doing a great job of doing that, I still think its fun.
Is bad batch worth watching? I couldn't clone wars, but enjoyed Rebels
It has some pretty decent stories. It's far better than clone wars. Not quite on the level of Rebels.
Bad Batch is more cohesive than clone wars and is only 3 seasons. Very Worth watching imo
I enjoyed bad batch (so far).
Its got an A-Team feel.
But its a good "on in the background" show.
This is my opinion as well. Star Wars should be fun. Don't overthink it.
To me, the "Jedi is invincible until they meet a sith at the end" is less interesting than a story woth more depth
following up on Jedi fatigue -- i think it's more trying to tell all these stories from the same timeline. it's a big galaxy and we already saw firsthand all the core events in the movies, so by default anything new feels ancillary at best, and yet some of those things can actually be very interesting (like The Hidden Path, the Inquisitors, etc)
so to get around that, you either zoom way in on the "small story" of an individual (Andor, although it really is a lot of small stories together with Andor, Luthen, Mon Mothma, etc), you shift slightly into a timeline gap (post-VI, pre-VII like Mandalorian and Ahsoka; post-III, pre-IV like Bad Batch, Rebels, Obi Wan Kenobi), or you just move strongly into a new timeline (the acolyte).
i really would love them to do some content set in the old republic or to canonize the Darth Bane novel trilogy into live-action movies or a three-season animated tv series
I could get behind a Darth Bane series, or maybe something with the Brotherhood of Darkness and the Jedi-Sith war. It could be interesting to see mobs of Sith instead of just two.
I actually forgot about Andor. Andor was a solid watch, but I still think Rogue One has been the best watch.
Had a few friends over this past Friday. We're having the same conversation. I said, give me 4, 5, 6 (minus the Ewoks), and Rogue One all day long. The rest.....meh...
EDIT: Andor is the only other series I would watch. For the most part, enjoyed it.
Well, we certainly got some more action in last nights episode.
3 episodes left, and I am guessing at least one of them is another flashback episode that will show what really happened with the fire.
Ok, so Vernestra is definitely Qimir's old Jedi Master right? With her whip saber being what left the scars on his back?
PamYup.gif
The thing that throws me off is how old he says he's supposed to be. So isn't he too old to have been her Padawan?
Edit to my thought on this: there's some Darth Momin shit going on here. He's both her Padawan and super old
I thought a read somewhere that Vernestra was like 106 years old according to the old Legends stuff that of course is no longer canon.
I'm beginning to think Qmir wanted Osha the whole time and used Mae to get the Jedi to find her for him
That's immediately what I thought. He sees himself in her in how their path with the Order is similar. Going back to an earlier episode if I remember correctly, he did seem intrigued by her when he was pretending to be that shop guy for Mae.
Finally get the not-osha-centric view of what happened....
first off, let's talk about Sol Heung Min for a minute --- whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
super complicated character based on this episode. he chose to save osha instead of mae, he chose to involve himself, so forth.
interesting that we see torbin and kelnacca be the ones living out their regret -- could it be from having been mind controlled?
also what the heck indara -- force killing all those witches through kelnacca's mind? crazy
literally an epidoe of "well that could have been avoided" as one thing after another goes wrong... a lot of it likely hinging on Mae repeating (out of context) a line from the witches that leads the jedi to believe the kids are gonna be child sacrificed????
I really liked this analysis of the episode
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/07/10/the-acolyte-reveals-it...
Indara is very explicit in the coverup by suggesting they go r/technicallythetruth about what happened
how does Qimir fit into any of this with one episode left, though?
Dude same exact question. I'm almost expecting an episode packed with too much. Or a huge cliffhanger
I feel like he may have contributed to the twins creation. Getting an acolyte is a longer game for him.
I thought the witches were controlling Kelnacca's mind, and they died when indrara took it back over?
It just happened because the plot needed it to happen.
That was a good finale. Not as good as Andor, but good.
I never thought we'd see a kyber crystal bleed in live action. That was amazing. And possibly one of the coolest light saber fights. I love how we keep seeing ideas from scene 38 reimagined pop up in star wars media
Holy gazoones.
Definitely a few predictions were true, still lots of plot points empty that need filling in. We better get a second szn
I mean...you can't just leave us with the back of Yoda's head and the Sith lord spying from the shadows.
Sure seems to canonize plagueis to me
The internet seems to be hating on Acolyte, but I really enjoyed this season/show. I get the complaints about the cliff hangers, but this is Disney's business model. It's interesting seeing that people who binge it overwhelmingly love it.
Anyways, the finale was an absolute banger. The epitome of 'the path to hell is paved with good intentions.' So many open questions, this has to get a second season.
I love every series Disney has put out with Star Wars. They're fun, thoughtful, light enough that you're not questioning your self being, but the characters are still dynamic and complex. It's exactly what I want out of Star Wars, I just want more. Which is good for Disney.
I really enjoyed the finale; was sad to see Sol go, but what an end it was. A little eye roll when Mae had to have her memory wiped, but interested to see how they keep her involved with the show.
The two major fights between Qimir and Sol were just incredible, especially the one in the finale. Definitely exceeded expectations and made up for a little bit of clunkiness with the show.
First Star Wars show to kill off main characters?
REBELS SPOILER ALERT: Kanan in Rebels?
I feel like this show could've been avoided with one good, long talk.
Mae: "You killed my mother! You deserve to die!"
Sol: "You don't actually have a mother...."
Mae & Osha: "What?"
Sol: *Explains situation about how they were created by the Force*
Sol: "Also, your mother and her coven were playing mind games and attempting to kill us, so we fought back which unfortunately ended with her death.
Sol: "Also, your so-called "Mother" was going to sacrifice you both for the good of the Coven, so in reality, we saved both of y'all's lives"
Mae: "So I killed those Jedi for nothing?"
Sol: "Yes, you're under arrest"
Mae: "Poop"
Osha: "So now what?"
Sol: "We finish your Jedi training"
To this show's credit, the lightsaber fights were vastly superior to anything in Ahsoka.
Considering the timeframe between the last time Ahsoka had proper training and how the Jedi in Acolyte were at the height of their institutional power, does it not make sense that those in Acolyte would be better swordsmen?
The fights in time between training aside, the fights in Ahsoka felt clumsy, slow, and poorly choreographed. I really doubt they thought about time between training having to translate to a sloppy performance when they decided it was time for a lightsaber duel. If that was the case, they should've made Ahsoka die immediately due to being out of practice.
They made it work in Kenobi.
Even an out of practice swordsman still maintains some degree of competency with their weapon.
Ahsoka still used her sabers on occasion, Kenobi didn't. That's why she hadn't forgotten how to use them, unlike Kenobi, where he had gone a decade without using them.
Kenobi didn't have to rely on his skill with the weapon or his age impacting reaction time and strength. Kenobi's prowess came from anticipating moves due to mastery of THE FORCE.
this is where it gets sticky -- that was an olympic-sized leap to conclusions by sol. given that we see mama adisenya allow osha to leave w with jedi, i think it was more of a figurative sacrifice than a literal one
Which I kind of feel like gets to one of the most interesting things about the season: there's no one villain. Every main character is villainous or flawed in one way. Makes it interesting, but also causes some issues with direction and connection of plot.
The show could have been avoided if the Jedi minded their own damn business and just left the coven alone.
They were just peacefully living their lives and practicing their religion. Maybe I'm missing some backstory or lore that wasn't in the show, but at no point did the show suggest that the coven was going to actually kill Osha and Mae. That scenario only existed in Sol's head with zero evidence to back it up. Some of the witches called them the future of their coven and vocally protested Mother Aniseya letting Osha leave. How would they be the future of the coven if they were dead?
Then the Jedi break into thier home and demand to inspect their children. Only then did one of the witches play mind games to try and deter the invading Jedi. Try that in my house and see what happens. To me, the witches using their power to get the Jedi to leave is 100% defensible.
After that, the Jedi broke in again and demanded to take their children this time. Again, the witches tried to defend themselves and their children in their own home using the methods they had at their disposal and were killed for it by the people that broke in. Was it okay because the Jedi were scared? Maybe don't break into someones house and demand to take their kids. Then they covered it up, you know, just like good upstanding members of society.
Maybe I'm crazy, but to me their is no ambiguity here. Sol came off as a zealot with a deep, hateful prejudice against a religion that he didn't understand and worst of all, a creepy obsession with two kids that he didn't even know. How many times did he whine to Indara that he wanted a padawan? Then he sees a random kid in the forest and becomes obsessed with having her and does all kinds of mental gymnastics to justify taking her. You could tell that Indara could sense that Sol was becoming a problem and should have dealt with it instead of letting him spiral. She should have seen that Torbin was messed up from his encounter with the coven and sent him back to Coruscant. In my opinion, Kelnacca was the only member of that group who is blameless.
The only "good guy" was the senator that said that the Jedi need some serious oversight. Seems to me that the Jedi at least need to start wearing body-cameras.
I also have to push back on the "she wasn't really your mother" bullshit. If someone created me and raise me and loved me as their child then, biologically or not, that is my mother. If you kill her and then say she wasn't technically my mom, it sure as shit isn't going to change mind about whether or not she was my mother and it definitely isn't going to make you killing her justified.
I think you just summed up exactly what the show writers were going for. The Jedi's own hubris is exactly what led to their downfall
Is is just me, or is anyone not happy with this show's direction of trying to portray the Jedi as evil-intentioned due to their pride/hubris/power. Add in the sexualization element they introduced and the attempt to portray the Sith as misunderstood rebels against the Jedi's abusive control of the galaxy and I simply do not like this direction. The Sith are massively evil and have no problem with slaughtering countless millions across the galaxy to get their way. Episodes one through six leave no doubt that the galaxy is a black and white battle between good and evil, yet this show tries to muddy that water with all sorts of shades of grey between the Jedi and the Sith. This is not George Lucas Star Wars to me. It may be entertaining, but it is not the Star Wars galaxy that I want to watch. And don't get me started on how many times this show has broken canon with the original movies and changed the lore of SW to suit their storytelling desires.
Oh man i have so many thoughts -- the short of it is that the prequels just did a really bad job of exploring jedi hubris when they absolutely teetered on doing so. Yes the dark side is Bad Guys, but it's entirely alluring and paved with "good intentions". It's the same way Dooku fell to the dark side even after being Yoda's padawan, and the same way Anakin did.
"How could the Jedi become complacent enough to let a sith become chancellor totally undetected and be dragged into a war where they got played so badly?" is a question people have been asking for 20 years
Rip
https://deadline.com/2024/08/the-acolyte-canceled-no-season-2-star-wars-...
That sucks. I was interested in the story and where it was headed.
Not surprising after the viewership numbers fell off as many people who watched early episodes never finished the series. It's hard to justify the insane budget for a show like that if you can't show a return. Hopefully Disney/Lucasfilm will take a lesson that people care about good stories and keep things like Andor going.
now thats some funny shit right there
I'm bummed about this. Really enjoyed the series.
You nerds watching new Star Wars show? Stranger things Star Wars edition? I'm digging it.
I have only watched the first two episodes so far, but I plan to catch up tonight.
only watched the first ep, didnt hook me enough to keep watching. but im sure i'll get around to it/catch up over the holidays
First episode was kinda lame. Second gets interesting. By episode 4 I'm excited for more.
But, I say this as someone who likes Star Wars precisely because it's not that deep and it's just fun.
My wife and I have been enjoying it, but she does not like Wim at all. She goes "it's like he doesn't understand at all the danger they're in!"
Having been that exact same kid myself, I'm over here like
Like most of the Disney-produced Star Wars shows, my initial thought was "why the hell do we need this?" And then I end up enjoying it.
I've watched 3 episodes and I like it. Like you said, it's not meant to be taken too seriously. The plot is basically every Star Wars kid's fantasy of being magically transported from Earth to the Star Wars universe.
I finished the 5th episode a few days ago, and I found it pretty exciting.
Some of it is super cheesy. The argh pirate voice from the robot. The owl that ends up sounding like the mom from Bluey when she's talking to the girl. The entire section of the episode where they go to the wasteland planet and spend time doing target practice was unnecessary.
It's a decent watch. I put it on while doing dishes. It was fine for that.
The Drones name is SM-33...Smee
Yes. That would have been a good chuckle, without going overboard with the voice. Much like L3-37.
I dont get the joke? I think I'm too young at 35.
Captain Hook's first mate was Smee. The droid is essentially taking the place of first mate. (But not really. There was a first mate that got greedy) So, they named him SM33.