No I will not be posting up any links to any of her "20-30 movies" she's "performed" in. We know that each year college tuition rates rise (and I don't even want to fathom what it will be like by the time our children are of age) faster than the standard of living. What your thoughts/reactions/reflections of Belle Knox's decision to take care of her tuition with this method? Here's the news link: http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=9443746
She uses words like "empowering" and "sexually liberating". If your daughter or son did this would you consider their actions empowering, respectable or liberating?
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I've followed this story a bit and I agree with the sentiment that she is shrewdly manipulating the media here for personal gain. She's getting tons of free publicity and she's capitalizing on it as we speak.
Agreed, she is reaping the benefits.
I've seen this story posted on virtually every news site I've visited. I haven't looked at it at all. I won't be. Shun this story.
Quagmire approves (just a joke, not meant to be offensive)
I just spent my spring break in New York City at a program called NYCUP (NYC urban project), which works with the poor and victims of sex trafficking. One night, we watched a documentary called "Tricked," which I think everyone should watch at some point just to get an idea of what's out there. It's about girls who are tricked, kidnapped or forced into prostitution. One of the main girls had gone to a party in college, but there was only one guy there, who told her the party had been rescheduled, but they could still grab dinner or something. Two weeks of wining & dining later, he beats her, pushes her out of the car and tells her to go make his money. Anyways, at the end of the film, that girl (now a 30 year old, married, mother of 3) was there to answer questions. I couldn't imagine going through that and then talking about it so openly. Someone asked her about the Duke girl, and whether it was actually "empowering" or "liberating." Her answer was very clear: no. Every single girl in the sex trade (porn, prostitution, stripping, etc) is there because something or someone forced them, either consciously or subconsciously. No girl wakes up and thinks to herself, "y'know what would be a good idea? Selling myself."
So no, I would never consider my daughter's (if I had one) actions liberating or respectful. I would consider them a sign that I failed as a father, that she had been abused at some point (vast majority of porn stars, prostitutes and strippers have been sexually abused as children), and/or that she was being forced into it. The relationships prostitutes have with their pimps is shockingly, disturbingly similar to the North Korean peoples' view of their "dear leader." They're brainwashed. They believe they can't survive without their pimp or that if they seek help, they or their families will be killed. It's an extremely hopeless situation, one that I would never wish on anyone.
*steps down from soapbox*
So you believe this chick at Dook was forced or tricked into it against her will? If that's the case then she's making a bold-faced lie to the media. I seem to recall a story a couple years ago of a famous actor's (Laurence Fishburne) daughter making the decision to go into porn.
He's not saying she was directly tricked of forced. But indirectly (college/money) she was forced to do it. Like he said, she didn't wake up and say I want to do porn because it's fun. She went into it because there was a pressure to do so by an outside force (money).
Edit: And she's not doing this to pay for school. This is her future now, she knows what she's doing getting the media involved. She's starting with a bang and will probably be a super successful pstar in a few years. What respectable firm/employer would hire her after this? None
The "force" of it being the $60k yr tuition rate and the inability of her p's to pay it, right? Because based on her interviews she certainly makes it sound like it was her decision.
Using that logic you're a slave. Since money forced you to have a job. You don't wake up one day and decide "You know what sounds like fun? Working my ass of 40 hours a week to make some guy in a suit on the other side of the country rich." There is a gigantic difference between working in porn and the sex trade.
His statement is such and massive and erroneous generalization it's ridiculous. Some women do go into that industry because it can be extremely lucrative and pays the bills. This is not to detract from the men and women who are forced into this against their will, but don't state that normal people who make a decision are being abused.
Very close to 100% of the people in the profession are abused. They're all exploited. They don't make nearly as much money as we're made to believe. It is slavery. The vast majority of girls in movies you'll see on the internet are under 18, despite claims to the contrary. "Normal" people don't make that decision. Either they're coerced into doing it (and then made to believe they can't get out, because who would want them?) or they see it as the only viable option (and there are a plethora of reasons as to why they even view it as "viable"). There is very little difference to working in the porn industry and prostitution.
Good points. Calm down though, I wasn't necessarily agreeing with him, just saying how I interpreted his statement which I didn't think was completely wrong. I tried to clarify things by saying I don't really think she's doing this to pay for school.
If you are going to start with a bang, make it a gang bang
Not necessarily "against her will," but I'd say it's not exactly like she was choosing between working at Staples and getting railed by a few dozen dudes and picked the latter cause she thought it'd be fun. My point is that emotionally healthy people don't choose that profession as a viable option. I wouldn't be shocked in the least if she and Fishburne's daughter had been sexually abused at some point in their life. It's not empowering (regardless of what she says. In all honesty, she really is lying, even possibly to herself - and I'm quoting the girl that's been there before on this one). It's a demeaning, abusive profession. A 30 minute movie can take 8-12 hours to film. Extensive reconstructive surgery (I think you can guess where) is very common among those women simply because of the abuse their lady bits take. Add to the fact that the women in these jobs take home only a tiny portion (or, for strippers and prostitutes next to none) of the money they're responsible for making, and it's hard to see this as anything other than human exploitation.
While I wouldn't want my (future) daughters to be involved in the porn industry, It's inaccurate to say that EVERY girl in the sex trade is doing it because someone forced them to. Statistically, that just can't be the case.
Not necessarily someone, but something is forcing 100% of the girls in the industry to be there, either consciously or subconsciously. Again, this isn't just blind speculation, this comes from a girl who was in the industry for 2 years. Girls from abusive or negligent homes often find unhealthy ways to find love or validation. It only takes one bad influence - usually in the form of a boyfriend/pimp - to get them hooked in. Then, they believe the lie that there's no escape because no one else would want them. No one in the porn industry hasn't been exploited or abused.
I'm sorry but I'm with joe. Anecdotal evidence from one person who was exploited does not prove that everyone in a certain industry is exploited. Just because it's something that you can't imagine doing unless forces does not mean that there isn't someone out there who is 100% ok with what they are doing. That said, I agree that most of the people in this industry either have an outside pressure or a past event that pushed them in that direction.
It's not just anecdotal evidence. There have been studies done and there are organizations dedicated to educating the public and ending sexual exploitation.
Here is a good little fact sheet about what really goes on in these industries, backed up by numerous studies. You can't say that just because it seems like an outrageous claim doesn't mean it's false. Even those who think they're 100% ok with it (which is overwhelmingly an exception, contrary to popular belief) only think that way because of past abuse. Sorry if this ruffles any feathers, but us guys especially need to realize that our porn addictions actually negatively impact human lives.
Your fact sheet actually doesn't say that all women in porn are forced or coerced. It actually says quite the opposite. Read the page on pornography, then refer to fernley hokie's study. To say that all of these women are forced is just incorrect.
Furthermore, it is certainly judgemental of you to assume that all women who choose a line of work in which they do something that you don't approve of have some type of emotional defect or were forced to do so. This used to be a common opinion about people who are homosexual or involved in interracial relationships, that they must have had some type of emotional scarring to want to live that lifestyle. I think that we need to realize that everyone is different, and while the sex trade and sexual slavery are certainly problems, not every instance of someone performing in pornography is abuse.
Correct. Well said.
Although the fact sheet does state that the events occurring in the video are actually happening and it's abuse. So it can lead someone to come to that conclusion since it is very careful with its use of the word "abuse." Such as stating a paragraph above that states along the lines of "Some women are forced" and then goes along saying that when watching pornography they are watching the abuse of a woman.
Seems more like it's deeper than raising awareness with facts and more of a moral issue with the author, mostly due to the broad generalizations and intentionally misleading presentation of some information.
You're making a gross generalization about a large group of people.
The experience of one does not dictate the experience of everyone. She was forced beyond her will to enter and stay in that industry. You can't just take her one experience and say that's how everyone is treated and how they all feel. Believe it or not some people have different moral views than you do.
See the above comment for an appropriate response. Also, in the decade since she got out of the industry, that individual has been a part of several studies and activist groups who spend their time digging up the actual facts of what happens to these girls. She doesn't go around just talking about her own experience. She's got the numbers to back up her story. Meanwhile, what I'm honestly seeing here is a bunch of guys who don't want to recognize there might be some harm behind what they see as a relatively innocent personal activity.
I agree with you that I think pornography has a negative impact on just about everyone involved, but I also must dispute your claims, purely on a scientific basis. There are two words you don't use in science - "always" and "never." Your claim is that every individual who does porn was forced into it by something simply can't be true, unless you ask every single person to have ever done anything remotely considered pornographic. Even then, it depends on how the question is asked and whether or not a motivating factor can unequivocally be seen as a "force."
Until then, you have statistical evidence to indicate a trend that may or may not be representative of the true population. Even if it is representative, it is not absolute. It's also why you can never prove a hypothesis true, you can only fail to reject it.
Again, "force" doesn't necessarily mean a pimp with a gun to her head. Often, it's a neglectful or abusive home that convinces someone they aren't worth much or that they can only be loved by allowing their bodies to be exploited. Emotionally healthy people just don't do porn.
That's a testable hypothesis, perhaps even rising to the level of a theory (scientific definition, not the casual vernacular). But the moment you find one instance of someone who contradicts that theory, the theory is invalid and the hypothesis is wrong. Show me peer-reviewed evidence (fact sheets from advocacy groups aside), and I'm more inclined to agree. But as a professional scientist (data analysis is my life), I am skeptical. I have to be.
All that aside, I'm really just quibbling over a detail here. I agree with your general premise, don't get me wrong, but I think that any assertion stated in absolute terms is inherently unreliable.
I get where you're coming from but using the word "forced" is a humanistic generalization. An individual's reasoning for making a decision to go into any perceived sociologically negative atmosphere does not equate to being "forced" and cannot be generalized to any amount of people. What studies on sex trade don't state, and where they always are false positives, is that the individuals that participate in the studies are nearly 100% likely to fall into the categories of neglect and abuse, and do not take into account woman that are in sex trade that are there for alternate reasons that do not fall into these categories. Why? because those women don't talk to anyone outside their circle of trust. I do concede that the majority of women do fall into this category though.
But I'm going to use some anecdotal evidence against you. I am from Nevada, the only state in the 50 that has legal prostitution. A high school friend of mine worked at the famous Bunny Ranch to pay through university. She made good grades in high school, had some scholarships, middle income family which is extremely loving, 1 brother and 1 sister. Had good healthy relationships with boys up to that point as well. So why? Was she forced? No, she's an economist and worked the numbers, and is open minded sexually. When she finished school she had enough money to move to Washington DC on her own and chase her dream job without having to live poorly. She lives there still, now married with a child. We talk nearly every week, as we have since high school.
I advised her not to but supported her. She is extremely well adjusted individual and to be honest has a very powerful position now. She knows more women like herself that have decided to use sex to their advantage. These are also the type of people that partake in sex studies by universities that are looking for the "average" person.
While, I don't want my daughter to be a porn star or be involved in the sex trade, views on sex in the United States are extremely conservative. A woman has the right to choose to have sex in any way they wish IMO. And just as your studies show data to support your argument, there are other studies that show that most woman that come from abusive or neglectful homes also come from highly conservative ones. Shame about sex is just another form of abuse.
This girl at Duke is certainly using the media at this point, but I don't see that she sought that out from the get go. She seems to have been at it for a while before the whole thing went viral. So if she's able to squeeze every last cent out of the extra publicity then more power to her. It's her life.
And just to prove my point with data. Please read the following study published in the Journal of Sex Research:
Pornography Actresses: An Assessment of the Damaged Goods Hypothesis
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2012.719168#.Uys7mv...
It finds specifically that:
So you can see, studies can show virtually anything. In this case, more comprehensively than any other study to date. You saying 100% are forced is highly inaccurate. Certainly there is that issue for many and it's a damning one, but not all women are equal whether in the sex trade are out.
For someone who actually does science for a living, I would call this psuedoscience. Because human's are putting together the survey, it's nearly impossible to script questions without an inherent bias. For example, you would get greatly different answers to the following questions:
A1. Were you ever sexually abused as a child?
or if you were to ask explicit questions such as follows:
B1.. Were you ever touched sexually by someone older than 18 when you were under 18?
B2. Did your mother have have sexual relations with strangers in the bedroom next to you?
B3. Were you ever called a whore, slut, bitch, or other suggestive word by father figure?
You can easily see that one could say yes to a B question, but still say no to an A question (A is opinion, B is specific event). If you read the paper, question A was asked.
I'm not a proponent for either side, but let's not call this science. (sad face emoticon)
I didn't call it perfect, I called it science, which is exactly what it is. Every type of survey (scientific investigation, political poll, etc) has a margin for error and has caveats to interpretation, and yes, can be reinterpreted or misinterpreted based on wording. Using recognized psychological metrics in assessing the situation is a far cry from the anecdotal stuff posted previously. If nothing else, it is a perfectly legitimate starting point for further studies that build upon it and improve upon our understanding. Everything is done in painfully slow baby steps.
Correct. Every study of sex that I know of has begun with a survey. And being that this is a study about human sexuality by humans there is no way to take out the bias completely.
Yes. Even the person who has gone and done studies cannot say that 100% have been forced into it unless she has talked to EVERY SINGLE PERSON. If even ONE person has made a conscious decision to do pornography without previous abuse, the 100 percent stat is no longer true. *Please let it be known that I am not condoning pornography, and please let it be known I understand it is almost always a result of previous abuse, but simply speaking scientifically, 100% cannot be true.
Speaking practically, 100% isn't much of a stretch.
I'll leg you, because I agree with your general underlying concept. If I ever have a daughter (or a son for that matter) and he or she ends up in this line of work, I would be devastated. The research nerd in me though is still going to say that this doesn't have to be "much" of a stretch to be wrong. Literally ONE person could have done pornography AND been considered emotionally healthy, and that would ruin the stat of 100%.
Alright now I'm gonna have to go ahead and step in here and point out that this is a grossly irrational (as it pertains to this community) generalization and overstatement.
See, now you have generalized me as someone who consumes porn simple because I am an engineering major and have had skepticism drilled into my head. Like is stated in another response, you cannot use the terms all and never without having talked to everyone, or you are wrong. Even one person who contradicts your claim makes you incorrect. Gross generalizations are wrong, even if your intentions are good.
With all due respect, this is a statement that is so vague that it loses all meaning. Arguably, everything that everyone does is because they were forced "either consciously or subconsciously".
These are the kind of statements that groups use when making arguments against things they don't like on a moral ground. By stating that all members of the sex trade are involved only because they are incapable of making a better decision on their own, an organization begins to lay the ground work for outlawing things like porn and strip clubs... for the benefit of the paid workers.
Now I don't think it's in anyone's best interest to be a porn star, but I also don't think it's in anyone's best interest to play football at UVA. However for some football players maybe it is best if they go to UVA and get immediate playing time at an ACC school.
And maybe, for some women, they can make more money and better provide for their families by working in the sex trade than at other places. There are plenty of strippers who make more money in a week then they would if they picked up shifts at a waffle house.
I also have a decent amount of involvement in some programs like the one you spoke of. But I don't thing EVERY porn star is in porn because they are forced to do so. 99% of people that are in the sex trade are terribly abused, and many of those are treated as slaves. However, I believe there is are exceptions and some strippers enjoy being strippers and some porn stars enjoy being porn stars (at least when they first start out). I would agree that it is very difficult to impossible to get out of the sex trade unless you become "undesirable" or something.
TechHokie13, I know what your talking about with sex trafficking. I spent a lit of time supporting the organization Not For Sale and got quite familiar with the subject. (The book Invisible Chains is a great book I recommend everyone to read if the want to inform themselves on the issue.) But this is a vastly different situation where she is actively making the choice to go into the sex business. No one (at least that we can know) is forcing here to do this and taking their payment to leave her nothing. I do not agree with her, but she has the right to do what she wants.
I honestly don't know about the industry to be insightful, but I can admire somebody who wants to finish college without loans outstanding. I worked all four years I was Tech to finish without loans or any significant ones. Just not sure about that profession.
First of all I completely agree with TechHokie13, I too would venture to say all porn is not "entertainment" as some people choose to call it; it's sex trafficking/slavery and I believe if more people start seeing it that way then fewer people will support it and hopefully that God-forsaken "industry"(wow I hate acknowledging it that way) will lose it's consumers.
Second, this girl is destroying her future. That's great you're paying so much for your degree from Duke, NO ONE IS GOING TO HIRE YOU. Outside of a publicity firm, maybe, she's not going to have a chance in hell to get a "normal" job.
Maybe in Cali she will. Society is constantly changing and (for better or worse) sex still sells.
I'm not trying to be ugly but if I had to go into porn to pay for college I wouldn't
be bragging about it. Especially to the public. I didn't finish college because I couldn't
afford it...never once did I ever think about selling myself as an option.
I don't think she was bragging about it, at least not at first. She used an alias and tried to keep it secret (successfully for the past few years) until someone on campus found out and spread the word. Now, as others have said on here, she's more than likely flaunting it as much as possible to reap the benefits of publicity since her secret is no longer 'secret' and she's got nothing left to lose in terms of her public image. Honestly, this 'empowering' path she's following is probably her best bet to make herself look in control of the situation and not prevent people from looking down on her as much as possible.
I'm gonna go ahead and ask the question that's on everyone's mind, what's her porn name?
I just stated it in the OP: Belle Knox. Enjoy [sarcastica]
Sorry, not the first time and won't be the last time I didn't read an article.
Nah it's all good. Also, on that note, let me state that I don't judge.
Haha, it's like when you hear a girl from your high school is doing porn. You just have to watch the video (and a lot of girls from my high school have done porn oddly enough).
I mean there is one doing porn right now from our own Virginia Tech Corps of Cadets.
Really!? What's her stage name?
Misha Brooks or something like that. She has said in multiple interviews that she kind of regrets leaving Tech, especially because she was here on an Army scholarship.
Yup, she was friends with one of my buddies in the corp. She came back as someone's date for Mil Ball.
What bothers me is....
How do you know this stuff?
She was one of my freshmen when I was a senior. Word spreads pretty quickly through the Corps grapevine.
Well, that's a reasonable explanation.
Wondered how long it would take before someone mentioned everyone's favorite member of sixpack.
Apparently, Belle Knox for a living
Alright so this story is ridiculous:
1) If the girl's family is actually that poor, they wouldn't be paying full tuition. A school with Duke's endowment fund will have an incredible financial aid package for students like her. The idea that she's doing porn because she needs to pay ~200k in tuition is ridiculous.
2) The point of going to Duke is to get a good job when she graduates. No employer is going to want a porn star working for them, even someone as well-educated as her. She's a fucking moron.
Yea, you'd think there would be some financial aid if she needed it. The fact that she tries to argue for it as a legitimate career choice is laughable. But on the porn side of it, if for some reason she decides that she wants to do that instead then she just launched her career in that industry because of how famous she's become.
You would be amazed at the gap that is there for a lot of middle class kids trying to go to college. Parents make too much money to qualify for financial aid but too little to cover the expenses. I ran into that trying to go to college on my own.
The middle class really does get sort of screwed here if they have multiple kids. My parents made too much for me to be given all those fun grants and scholarships and only enough loans to cover a small part of my expenses. Financial aid doesn't really take into account familial situations like number of siblings and how many of them are going to school at the same time. When my brother started going to Tech the amount of money I got, and have to pay back, increased by about $1k per year.
Not to mention a family that could support one kid through college can't necessarily do that when they have to also provide for their siblings also.
This is what happened to me as well.
Schools like Duke have some of the best financial aid programs in the country...I realize you can't say princeton = duke, but look at the following for princeton's financial aid calculator:
https://www.princeton.edu/admission/financialaid/estimator/
I doubt Duke's Financial Aid programs is a lot different than Princeton's.
Agreed HokieAlum
I was denied financial aid because my parents "made too much money"... Fortunately, my dad was able to find loans through the AARP at an awesome interest rate (Around 2% fixed)
I'm surprised that it's a female student and not a male one. "Duke" is synonymous with "enormous dicks"
This made me laugh...and almost costed me a new monitor and keyboard but luckily I was able to hold the coffee in. Bravo.
IMO porn is just a better paid prostitution gig and we all know that is the world's "Oldest Profession". Based on how you were raised will influence your beliefs on Porn. Through like 9 degrees of seperation I know a legit (ex) porn star and she liked having sex, is attractive and figured she might as well make alot of money doing it and she did. At the end of the day it is a business and if you play your cards right you can make good money and have a say in what you will and will not do. I do not believe that everyone in the industry is/was forced into it. If that was the case I'm sure it would be illegal like sex trafficking.
That is the case, like it or not. And "if you play your cards right" can only happen after years of abuse and exploitation. Until then, you get told what/who to do every day of your life.
Not so in her case. From day one she started at a reputable company. She was not abused in anyway and now, while she is no longer filming she is married, has a child, going through med school, and still selling autographed photo's, toys, and doing a personal chat room. I know not every case is like this, in fact this is probably a rariety but it can be done. I think what helped her was her looks, brains, and families support.
Is there a dark side to this business? Absolutely, but how is being a "slave" in that industry any different from working in another industry to pay the bills? Not everybody has a job they love, they do it to put food on the table and keep a roof over the families head.
If that's the case and she was never sexually abused, had a good father and a good self-image, then she's the exception on the level of the Virgin Mary giving birth.
Being that there are probably more than one catholic TKPers on here you might wanna be careful with that one. Just sayin...
I don't see what the problem is. According to certain beliefs (my own included), she's the only human in the history of the planet to give birth essentially asexually (I'm sure there are some bio people here who will dispute that on semantics, but just go with me here). Technically, she torches the whole "100% of humans have reproduced sexually" claim, but practically speaking (not to mention statistically), it's essentially 100%. That's all I'm saying.
I'm not emotionally invested in it enough to keep debating, so I'll leave it at this: I and a few others can't/won't believe that every porn actor/stripper/prostitute is in the business because they were somehow forced into it by 1st, 2nd, or 3rd order effects, just like you can't believe there's no other reason to do it.
Another interesting documentary to watch is Life After Porn. It's on Netflix streaming. It interviews different male and female pornstars and tells how they adjusted after the industry.
TKP: We even have in depth, informative, and classy conversations about porn.
I was just thinking exactly this. This site is probably the only place on the internet where this discussion could possibly be held in a reasonable manner without devolving into the internet version of monkees screeching and flinging poo at one another.
I'm sorry...I...I just could not resist
Or this
Well a few months ago we were called the most reasonable place on the internet, so much so that we're probably not on the internet.
I'm saying.
French could make videos about this topic and we would give him turkey legs for the educational value alone of the prose, videos, and diagrams.
From reading this whole thread I kind of found a bit of amusement how some of the commenters on this thread literally believe something and cannot be convinced that some people may be willing to have an alternative lifestyle. Sorry, porn isn't something you agree with, but don't sit on a message board and try and tell people that every single performer in the porn industry is a "victim". Instead of sitting in a cubicle all day to get paid, like most of us, some people may just prefer to get boned instead.
Now, I agree that there obviously have to be plenty of examples of exploited individuals in the porn industry, and that is a terrible terrible thing. However, try to keep an open mind about the lifestyle some people like to read. By your argument saying that they are victims for having to do something like porn to make money, an argument could be made that we are all victims for having to work to support ourselves.
my take on this issue...
I see her using the terms "empowering" and "sexually liberating" as an excuse to make herself feel better about her decision. I just can't see someone feeling empowered by showing off themselves naked to thousands of viewers. It just doesn't really seem like something that would make you feel THAT much better about yourself.
What I don't understand is why people are so opposed to the half community college, half 4 year college route. I'm not saying she had to do this, but I know a lot of people who are going to end college with 4 years of insane debt. Why not cut that in half and go to community college for the first two years? Some people are lucky and don't have to face this issue, yet others may not have the financial means to pay for school, yet they still feel like they deserve to be there.
Models and actresses are often naked for thousands of viewers and are often considered to be role models for young girls. I think you mean "having sex" to which I would say that is a something that you subjectively decide for yourself and cannot suppose onto others.
I can't say that her reasoning is correct because I don't know her, but if she chooses to pay her way through school with porn then does it really matter? It's her life and her decisions. It doesn't impact me, you or anyone else not involved with her personally. She, as with anyone, has the right to do as she wishes so long as it's legal and whether you support/understand her or not, shouldn't need to explain her decision or go through a Scarlet Lettering of any kind.
people have questioned my decisions in my life. I've made mistakes and I've made correct decisions, but they're mine to make. Not anyone else's.
Cool your jets Mr. Offended. We're doing exactly what you're doing - voicing what we believe based on our personal opinions and beliefs. No need to go around trying to disprove what those say when they don't necessarily agree with her decision.
First, I didn't downvote you. You shouldn't be for opinions.
But I think you have that backwards. I am neither offended by what you said nor by what this girl is doing. But you seem to be offended by both her and me.
In fact, I'm not trying to disprove what you say at all. Your opinion is your own and yours freely to give, which is the point I am making about this girl making her own decisions. I am just commenting on your opinions with my own opinion. That's not being offended.
You are right on target. People seem to think that their own set of morals is the only one. She is very vocal about how it makes her feel empowered. If she it makes her happy, who are you to judge?
How different would this conversation be if the title of this thread was "A Duke Student Uses Porn To Pay for His Tuition"?
(I really didn't want to wade into this thread but you left me no choice)
We'd probably all think the guy is a dbag because he went to Dook. And while I am comfortable admitting I have a double standard with Dook students (I can't hate on the female students as much for whatever reason), I'm also reasonably sure we'd all be right.
One post script, because this got me thinking about it...I certainly don't hold Dook female students is as low regard as I do Dook male students. But I think just as poorly of women that chose to go to LOLUVA as men. Like...they ALL should've KNOWN better, right?
I probably said something offensive here, and I apologize that I brought my low class self into this calm, intellectually spirited discussion of porn.
I'm of two separate opinions on this:
As a person who's had struggles with a pornography addiction that started before he became a Christian and relapses off and on since then, I tend to take a negative view of her choice and wouldn't be happy if someone I loved made the same choice.
The Libertarian side of me says she's free to make whatever decision she wants to regarding how she pays for college.
This whole thread went in exactly the direction I hoped it wouldn't. I'm tapping out. I wish I could click a button and make a thread never show up for me ever again.
Hey don't get pissy with me or even the other good TKPers that chose to weigh in on it.
I do what I want!
Plus, I'm one of your biggest fans.
'Leg. Respect. Hoof bump to the shiny metal ass
You just gave her 3 good ideas for her next movie
I don't think he is. I think he's just saying that it would be nice if there were a way to hide threads that you're done with, thus giving you more room in the side pane that you are not done with.
Eh, he's kinda right.
I do like keeping up with all the conversations on here, so it's my own fault I keep clicking on it. So I guess the button on the side would remove the temptation and, as you said, let threads I was more interested in bubble up to the top.
well now I'm curious which direction you were hoping it went in...dammit
More pictures. Like this one of my girl Pandora.
Totally convinced her to send me a pic while I was horsing around the other day, lol.
That looks suspiciously like horse porno pic to me. Tsk tsk.
Horse, you crack me up!
See that's what I'm saying! What would this site be without French, Joe, HOAT, Egbert and lovable ol' bender? I'M THE GREATEST!
Things like this get me thinking:
I'm curious in how many other countries this would even be a news story?
Could the same be said for models?
Aren't human vices wonderful? Someone (or a group of people) can consider it morally wrong, create a law against it or make it taboo, and someone else (or a group of people) can turn it into a multi-billion dollar industry.
In the UK this would of been printed in one of those tabloid papers and that would of been it. As we know, the US is very archaic in it's views on sex.
would have***
sorry, that always bothers me
Lets cut to the chase....When are we converting her to Tight End?
(pun intended)
Tight end..made me laugh. Turkey leg!
I'm kinda surprised that nobody's come up with a "2 wahoos 1 commonwealth cup" gag yet.
Two wahoos have not been close to a commonwealth cup in 10 years.
Well played
who'da thunk a thread about porn would garner so much interest?
Doesn't hurt that porn makes up 90% of the internet. :p
All we need now is for someone to evoke Goodwin's Law.
I think that just did it...does that count?
I am surprised that no one has pontificated on the possibility of their basketball team needing work since their NCAA tournament is over and all that could go along with that.
Well considering it happened 15 minutes ago, you could have been the first!
I have not the quality of delivery for something of that nature to bring Turkey Legs raining down upon me. I figured my comment would spark a litany of posts the likes of which would send this thread over the top.
This is the best car ad I've ever seen. I won't buy an Aston Martin, but I have more respect for James Bond now.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/porn-is-super-empowering-just-ask-the-...
A bit off topic, but does Playboy still do "Girls of the ACC issue"? My college girlfriend was in that once. She got $500 and I got to write posts like this, so we both kinda won.
I think its discontinued. Last year on the website seems to be 2010. I had a friend back in 2008 that was in it. Bought the calendar and everything (to support her, and breast cancer I believe).
http://www.campusgirlsusa.com/allgirls09.php
Why is this still a topic to discuss? You want to talk about key words that will flag anyone's work IT department, this thread is full of them. I come to TKP to give me a distraction from work, not give my job a reason to fire me. Sorry, but this annoyed me when it was first posted and now it's back again. I realize that there has been reasonable discussion about this, but there's a difference between Off Topic and unnecessarily Off Topic. Things like this are more appropriate for Reddit or other random conversation communities. Now that I've spent more than 30 seconds on this page typing out this response, I'll be waiting for my sys admin's visit to my cube to discuss this.
Look at who started the thread.
LOL!
I saw this thread pop back up in the Tracker, and saw Bender in the Active Discussions list and was all "OMG HE'S BACK".... and then I looked at the timestamps...
seriously. i saw the poster avatar and my first thought was
I wonder if the Lacrosse team invited her to their parties