Strange but trueJerry Magallanes was the referee in tonight's Virginia Tech-Miami (FL) thriller AND the 2015 Miami (FL)-Duke lateral ending (h/t @ADavidHaleJoint) pic.twitter.com/8C7peGkT0P— Unnecessary Roughness (@UnnecRoughness) September 28, 2024
Look, I'm not saying this is blatantly league office corruption at play, but I'm also definitely saying that it absolutely looks like it is.
This one guy with two highly questionable calls at the end of the game that both gift Miami a win, and was suspended for his actions in the previous time?
I'm sorry VT that Jerry Magallanes stole your joy vs Miami. I feel your pain. https://t.co/Xeboix3l1A pic.twitter.com/XgGSBTmROM— Duke Fan Acct (@DukeFBFans_) September 28, 2024
Nah, this smells like shit to me
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Also botched the ending of the 2021 Music City Bowl
I know clock management sucked, and I know we shoulda took the 3. But we got fucked. And for everyone hating on Pry. I get it. We were 17.5 point dogs. And we went hit for hit with a very good team. Say what you want. But we looked damn good in the spotlight. Played like I thought we should be playing. Answered when we need to. We're 3s scores from being 5-0. And we got absolutely fucked. No way else to package it. Fucking hosed. That's horsehit and the world knows it. Hate on this team all you want and I get it. But we answered the fucking call and we got fucked. End of story.
You're right. We absolutely got fucked. We got fucked after Pry's ineptitude put us in position to get fucked.
Nobody is hating on the team. I'm proud of the team and impressed with their resilience. They've had a lot of adversity and poor coaching to overcome, but unfortunately the poor coaching has given 3 games away already and it's still September.
We can be mad about both. If the refs don't fuck us, we're 3-2 and 1-0 in the ACC. If Pry doesn't fuck us, we're 5-0 and in the driver's seat to go win the conference.
This bullshit call was a real gift to Pry to distract from the fact he repeatedly gave this game away. Every big decision he made was wrong and helped give Miami a chance.
Lot of people been hating on Parker Clements lol
I do believe that is warranted though..... he didn't play TERRIBLE last night from first look (I'll go back and watch again tonight), but he certainly did not play well
He's been terrible all year. Two of our most memed plays the last 2 weeks (safety and fake FG) happen because he alone got absolutely demolished off the snap completely and immediately blowing up anything we were trying to do.
I genuinely wonder why he is playing because its consistently some of the worst technique and execution I've ever seen from an individual player on any OL. He's a one man critical weakness for our entire offense.
His errant/inaccurate throws cost us a solid 14 points vs Miami and 14 points vs Rutgers
It's well earned but this was another major ding on coaching on the fake FG. You design a trick play that is completely reliant on Clements executing the block which he has consistently failed to do in key moments all season. Coaches working plays toward weaknesses is a major case of piss poor prior planning.
The guy has helped more doing jumping jacks far enough away that he cant accidently sack his own quarterback
Man, this reeks
Probably because horsehit stinks. How does a ball that never hits the ground get ruled incomplete. Why in the endzone when you have the ball in your hands and one foot hit the ground then your ass hits is it anything other than a touchdown. College football got fucked today not just us.
Love the botch of the non horse collar call on that last drive too
Don't forget about the phantom holding call that negated the TD. Or the terrible spots all game that constantly went for Miami.
Finally got an explanation. You know they got it right when it takes two hours to explain it. /s
The loose ball after it had already been caught with a foot down and taken to the ground before popping out?
Bullshit.
Step 1 : underpants
Step 2
Step 3: profit
It's hard for me to understand how this could possibly be the ruling. I agree that Felton didn't clearly maintain full possession all of the way to the ground, but it's impossible for me to see anything other than him fighting for possession all of the way to the ground and controlling the ball at least enough to prevent it from ever touching the ground. Under any other circumstances that's a catch. I don't understand why incidental contact of the ball by another player who is out of bounds should invalidate the catch, or be ruled differently than a simultaneous catch going in favor of the receiver. In any case, the video evidence was obviously not indisputable.
Take a moment to appreciate the absolute weasel-worded passive voice which fails to assign responsibility for this shit show to anyone.
So does that mean it's a catch if the play occurs two yards further in the end zone with all players inbounds?
Here's what I think the onfield officials saw. Felton with possession, Miami player raking the ball, ball coming loose.
How long does a receiver have to maintain possession before a defensive player rakes it loose? 5 secs, 20 secs?
If the play is called incomplete, we would never have had the controversy, but the on field officials saw enough to call it a catch.
Even though I think it was incomplete, the play should have stood as called on the field.
As ar as I know, Felton only had to have possession and touch the endzone. Pulling the ball in was a "football move" demonstrating possession.
Once that occurs the play is complete and the ball is dead. Once a touchdown occurs it cannot be undone by any means.
Anything after that does not count for anything.
Unless they're trying to say that the out of bounds Miami player touched the ball before Felton, thus making it a dead ball and so his reception doesn't count because the ball was already dead.
Considering Felton had hands on it about 10 feet in the air, the Miami player would need to be Bucky Hodges size
It's league corruption because presumably he's doing the league's bidding by granting Miami borderline wins, for which his remuneration in this corruption was that he was suspended by the league? C'mon. Your three sentences don't even track together, let alone with the rest of the world.
It can just be a shit call. It's possible to be bad at one's job without being on the take. It looked like a shaky catch, there probably wasn't enough evidence to overturn the call. My money is on that he didn't think it was a catch (a reasonably take) and then looked for a way to make that call (a bad way to approach the job). This isn't a defense of the dude, or his call, but we can say that he fucked it up without diving into a crazy hole.
Yeah, maybe he's just bad at his job and is unconsciously predisposed towards Miami wins.
Still deserves to be called out for it.
Wasn't the call on the field touchdown? Ref on the field didn't change this. The change came from head office in Charlotte
Much like the Danny Coale catch, except by different college football powers.
Shouldn't be overturned without indisputable video evidence.
The refs had no idea what happened so they said let's call a TD and then go to review.
I think it should have stayed with call on field either way. If it was ruled incomplete on the field there wasn't enough to overturn it to a touchdown.
Bingo. I don't see a definite catch, but certainly don't see enough to overturn a called catch. I don't see an incomplete, but I certainly don't see enough to overturn a called incomplete. The whole thing just fuckin stinks. Overturning that call is clear bias. And honestly calling an incomplete and overturning it would have been as well, just in the name of conference parity.
The real question is- what would have happened in the exact same situation had both teams been 4-0 going into last night? I think I know, but we never truly will🤷♂️
This ref and his crew sucks, BUT they called it a touchdown on the field. The ACC review team in Charlotte overturned the call. That's who we should focus our ire on for reversing the call on the field.
This is it. I'll go to my grave believing this.
The general opinion on the copious numbers of Reddit threads on this is:
1. How on earth could you call that a TD?
2. How on earth could you overturn it?
I can't find the user to credit them on one of those threads but they basically said, "They got it wrong twice on one call". LOL
In my clearly biased opinion, the lack of clear possession on the catch was due to simultaneous possession of the ball which favors the offensive player who is on my team and therefore we are the undisputed victor.
The only discussion point here is that it was ruled a TD on the field. Period. That is the baseline. There is no way you can overturn that call in this scenario- they looked at it for 10 minutes for fuck sake. No way you overturn it. If you got it wrong in the first place, that is not VT's problem. It was ruled a TD on the field. We were robbed.
Hard to not think the fix was in when this is the reaction ESPN, a network known for meddling, has this morning
The stupid thing about fixing this game is that Miami is going to lose anyway. Louisville, GT, Cal, Cuse, or in the most #goACC thing ever FSU is going to pick them off.
I hope Tech puts it together and we can get a rematch in the championship game, but if not I am confident Miami will still make a fool of themselves and this chicken shit conference.
If Miami has the full backing of the officials like they did last night they'll run the table only to get absolutely smoked in the first playoff game they are in, making the conference look even worse than it should.
This is exactly what I said last night.
It's a two-fer. They get Miami "bak", hand them the ACC and then get to watch them get smoked in the playoffs so they can say "see, the ACC isn't very good"
That's probably because the ACC isn't fixing games for Miami...
I don't really think they fixed it, I was just making a point about how dumb it would be to do. Either way what we saw last night was stupid.
Bingo
Something I saw pointed out on Reddit and I still have no explanation - why were there guys on the phone in the replay room? Isn't the head ref during the game talking to them all via speaker? If so, what possible reason would there be for someone in the replay room to be talking on the phone during a review?
Probably with Phillips instructing them to overturn the call, because they need to keep the ratings and a top ten ranked Miami as their national title hope this year. We all know what happened there. We could be like the SEC and when a top team is beaten in a hard fought game, just say wow look how deep this conference is, VT is good!
This is why all of it should be on a live feed so you can hear everything. Love the XFL version of replay.
Just want to remind everyone that Miami will get absolutely torched in the playoffs. Cam Ward is a baller tho I will admit.
I was one of many Hokies that last power for the weekend, I finally got power back and was able to watch a replay.
Thoughts.
1) I can't blame the fake FG decision. It was aggressive and being up ten a FG still leaves us at a 2 score game. However that was the worst designed and executed fake I have seen in a long time. If you are going to run a fake, have a much better one. It was easy to call it a bad decision in hindsight.
2) My understanding is the referee that overturned the call actually lives in Miami. How is that allowed to happen?
3) Anything that take you over 5 minutes to overturn cannot be considered incontrovertible.
4) All Corners should now be taught to run with one foot out of bounds and just touch the ball as the WR is making a catch and then cite our game that the ball was therefore incomplete. They opened the door, let it crush them.
5) This should probably have been first. They played a complete game against a damn good team and should have won. Go Hokies.
6) Not running the clock before half was a bad clock management decision and Pry has at least owned it.
bro, I've seen this exact same comment in 3 different threads - stop spamming
Not the exact same, I did change some wording. But after not having internet for three days, I wasn't sure which thread people were actually reading and responding to.
For what it's worth, I hadn't seen it!
Increasingly difficult to not think the fix was in
My issue for the rest of my life will be "it was ruled a catch"- fact.period.end of story. No fucking way on earth do you overturn that. No way. In the grand scheme, a week 5 game against Miami for a team that is going to be 7-5 at best is not Danny Coale level at all- so meh, but it was ruled a catch. That is what pisses me off.
I agree with you. I don't think it was actually a catch but that goes out the window the second they call it that way on the field. The review is just a pile of bodies with nothing clear one way or the other. You can't overturn whatever was called on the field in that situation
Yes. Somehow when it comes to Virginia Tech, they seem to throw away all stated rules and precedents, and decide it's more about how they feel about it at the time.
Whether it was a catch must be determined by indisputable video evidence. It's not "what was most likely". If it's disputable, you go with the ruling on the field.
Well Michigan Game official was alumni of Michigan. Official in the Miami game had already been suspended once for giving Miami a win incorrectly. It sounds like they aren't even going to suspend him this time as it kept their undefeated team undefeated.
The officials on the field called it a touchdown. Somebody in Charlotte decided to reverse the call with obviously no real evidence to overturn the call. Nobody has shown was that 'indisputable evidence' actually was. Felton came down with his feet in bounds. If he had control of the ball at that point or before it was grabbed at by the out-of-bounds Miami player then it is a catch and a touchdown. The out-of-bounds player is an after-the-fact action this shouldn't alter the call. Whether it was a catch or not, it was called a touchdown. Nothing I've seen has shown anything to alter. If it was called an incompletion, again there is nothing shown to alter that either.
Sounds super familiar to me; Danny Coale can answer this.
Mind you, the guys in the replay room, who were caught on camera being on the phone at the time, decided to reverse the call. And we have seen nothing conclusive since that shows any reason the call on the field should have been overturned, and now we're hearing that the ACC can't even show our staff a clear replay on why they did it, saying such a view is 'hard to find' and justifying their decision based on 'interpretation'.
Who the hell was on the other end of that phone call. The optics of this are terrible.
This is so much more egregious than the Danny Coale catch, because this has in conference ramifications. If the ACC is willing to manipulate wins and losses to the extent that it appears it did, we need to get the hell out of this conference. Its bad enough that the cards are stacked against the ACC in general when it comes to college athletics right now, but if the ACC is actively stacking the cards against us to benefit others, we're absolutely long term fucked. And this wouldn't be the first time the ACC dicked us over, I very specifically remember the Wake Forest AD unable to accurately recall our resume while acting as the ACC rep in the 2010 Selection Committee when we ended up as one of the all time biggest tournament snubs.
So I did a little digging at this over the last few days with people who would know.
Based on my #sauces, it was the ACC front office who made the call to overturn the ruling on the field, and not the officials. That is why the officials were on the phone during the review.
If true......Holy Shit Batman
It would explain why the reasoning for overturning the call is not actually based on the rules of the game.
I'm just curious, can the NCAA get involved? They have taken a lot of losses when dealing with players, but this is a conference thing and 100% a way to get back some power in the sport, or at least use it to get antitrust. Letting conferences decide the outcome of games instead of the players is something that might just raise some eyebrows. In addition the ACC is a like organization to the NCAA they have all the same limitations so it's not like anyone feels they are protecting a poor helpless group of individuals, no one is getting on their soapbox to defend a conference in congress.
Not to mention for the second week in a row, Miami needed help from officials or office to win a game. They are starting to look like the Chiefs!
Al Riveron, head of ACC officiating, is a Miami resident.
Miami also isn't the most savory of places either. Wonder if some persuasion from some Miami boosters is coming is way on these decisions.
if you know people in the ACC Replay office or ACC front office.... why arent you getting us preferential treatment???????????????????????????????? come on, man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You need money to bribe people, obvs.
Unfortunately, I have been out of work since March, so it puts a hamper on such things
Don't think the Michigan official went to Michigan. From a bit of poking around he seems to have gone to the University of Pugent Sound and been a west coast dude his whole life. Y'all need to chill.
It wasn't the ref that went to Michigan, it was like the president of the sugar bowl or something like that.
Ah. That dude who definitely had direct influence over the game officials who he maybe met once.
Yeah, this particular theory has always felt a little tin foil hat to me.
It might be tinfoil hat that he had any influence over it, but it is a fact that the president of the Sugar Bowl organization at the time is a Michigan alum.
Yepper- the very definition of the rule- which is no less a rule than holding, pass interference, etc. the replay RULES should be followed. The ruling on the field is an actual "thing" that should not be ignored. In this case, they ignored it
This is the definition of NOT indisputable.
TOUCHDOWN!
I don't know why I keep returning to this thread expecting something revelatory when I see updates.
Pretty sure we will never see anything revelatory or anything that explains what reversed the call.
Never in writing, always in cash.
You hear that, Mayor Adams, never in writing, even when confirming the fact you won't finalize future plans in writing
After watching Miami get bailed out multiple times against Cal, including yet another booth review that inexplicably went in their direction despite no evidence to back it up, I am fully convinced the ACC front office called up the replay booth and manipulated our game to give Miami the win
I hope the eventual ACC champion is an unranked 3-loss team, just to ensure that the ACC doesn't make the playoffs for the second year in a row. Let's burn the whole thing to the ground.
doesn't that unranked 3-loss team make the playoffs in that scenario?
Yes
Not necessarily. It's the top 5 ranked conference champions that get the autobids
Exactly, they left a technicality in there to exclude some unranked team with a bunch of losses who lucks into a conference championship.
I'll say it again. I will go to my grave knowing that the front office made the call to keep Miami in playoff contention as the only ACC team with any sort of hopes of making the playoffs.
If that were VT this week instead of Cal, I think that no-call on targeting would have made me even more upset than last week's reversal. Absolutely insane.
Watching the replay - and coupling it with the seemingly random way targeting is often called - I honestly thought the no call on the horse collar tackle on Drones was way worse than the no call for targeting.
Honestly, at this point it appears the Zebras and officials are cooking the games for the Canes to keep them undefeated. AND I HATE THAT.
$186 is oddly specific
That, and the $100 bill appears to be a really bad fake.
that fits Miami
needs more white powder to be Miami
smells like buttered crab claws also.
Thought that was Jameis and f$u
It was but as far as I'm concerned the only thing between the 2 is a couple freeways and sometimes a hurricane.
It used to be bad blood, but now neither fan base cares enough any more.
Aaron Rogers just threw another Hail Mary TD and the receiver caught it, kind of had it, landed with it and then it popped out. Very, very similar to the VT Hail Mary catch. One ref called it incomplete, the other called it a TD. Head ref says it's a TD. Don't even think they reviewed it.... how the fuck ours was overturned is absurd. That ref and the ACC deserve corporal punishment.
Came here this morning to post the same thing to see if anyone else saw the play. The Jets receiver has the ball in his hands and comes to the ground with it in his possession. Once he's on the ground, the Bills player knocks it out which is why I think the official from the back side of the play called it incomplete. He sees the ball on the ground and assumes the receiver did not complete the catch to the ground. The line judge from the pylon runs in and signals touchdown seemingly because he sees the completed catch and then the ball being knocked out. The only difference in this play and what happened to Felton is that the Jets receiver is in the middle of the endzone as opposed to being along the back line. Either way though, if that was a catch last night, then Felton's play was a catch too. What makes it sting even worse is how quickly the NFL replay booth confirmed the touchdown. Absolutely absurd what was done to us.
In fairness, the call yesterday was very clear. Lazard was on the ground holding the ball for a solid two seconds before the defender ripped it out. And all of this was in unobstructed sight of the camera. With that said, I definitely still felt a painful sense of dejavu.
It was called a TD on the field in our game, and they used a very similar replay to overturn it, where when it happens in a much more restrictive 'what is a catch' NFL, its upheld as a TD.
Just further evidence that VT got screwed over that night because the league wanted Miami to win.
The largest crock of shit is that it was ruled a TD on the field. Which Charlotte totally ignored. VT was 100% cheated out of a win.
I agree that we got screwed. At seasons end, should VT (fans and administration) consider Pry's report card for the year to include X+1 wins, or just X wins?
we got absolutely jobbed against Miami and should have won. That said, there were multiple coaching blunders in that game that could have prevented that entire situation. Mark it as a loss, as that's what it was. Plus, at the end of the day, people are going to remember the result, not the way we got there. A loss is a loss, no matter how unfortunate.
Pry's report card? C- at best. And that's if we get to a bowl. He had his whole roster return and couldn't beat Rutgers at home. Vandy is better than expected, but we lost because he allows 8 people to wear the number 0 on the team. We had that game won. He also is a defensive minded head coached and we are 65th in total defense with veteran corners and an NFL edge rusher. In terms of Miami- his performance was an F. Ironically fans think that since we "hung" with Miami and didn't get blown off the field, that's a win for Pry's report card. No, he was awful in that game. Put any experienced coach on our sideline that night and we win.
Win kneeling it out no less.
I mean not any expirenced coach, did you watch the USC-PSU game, it's like each coach was actively trying to lose. I mean Mack Brown iced his own kicker in like OT3 of a 6 OT game. So maybe not any coach.
Fair point.
Any experienced coach who isn't 127 years old and probably couldn't tell you what year it is.
Hey guess who benefitted from yet another controversial booth review in a close game today?
details? Link? idea of what time to look at replays?
4th Quarter. Cam Ward lost control of football and then punched it forward. Louisville recovered and returned for td. Ruled that way on the field. Overturned and Miami proceeded to get game winning TD upon getting the ball back.
TY
1. This is an extremely close and subjective call. It really comes down to how one defines "control." To me, Ward does not show any firm control of the ball when his arm starts coming forward. He is not throwing a pass...he is shot-putting the ball forward. To me, that is a fumble.
2. Genius Miami fans on Reddit are hung up on how far the ball went downfield. For anyone who has ever played Golf very poorly (as I have), you can hit a ball so fat that the clubface barely makes contact with the ball and still have it go forward 30-40 yds. Its basic Physics.
3. The call on the field has to matter. The ACC clearly has decided that Replay can be used to make subjective interpretations of what they think happened which is clearly not the standard of replay. It makes the ACC look like an even more rinky-dink operation than they already are. Jim Philips took over a difficult situation but he has demonstrated absolutely nothing that gives me any confidence into his competence or leadership going forward.
Looks like a forward pass to me. You guys are getting too caught up in technique. Defender hit his arm (not the ball) which ruined his technique but didn't stop him from attempting a pass. He certainly did not "punch" the ball forward.
While I think it was a forward pass, I also think that it wasnt undisputable to overtune
But does it really matter whether the Defender hit his arm or the ball???
If a ballcarrier gets hit on the arm and the ball pops out--is not just as valid as if the defender strips the ball out??
And watch the video closely---as Ward winds up, the ball turns downwards with the tip facing towards the ground. No one throws a pass like that, the ball was coming loose before his arm started forward.
It was close but flinging the ball forward without having control of it I don't think is consistent with a forward pass.
It was ruled a fumble on the field--there is nothing on that replay that is conclusive and indisputable to overturn what was called on the field. And that's really the issue here---the ACC wants to shift the goalposts regarding how Replay is used and interpreted and those Goalposts just have happened to favor their only undefeated team in key 4th Quarter plays in 3 consecutive games....its getting increasingly difficult to feel like its coincidental at this point.
His thumb and his finger tips are gripping the ball as his arm is moving forward and up. The ball moves with the motion of his hand & arm until separation occurs with the ball moving in the direction his hand and arm were moving in... forward pass. Clear as day to me on the replay.
The defender grabbing his jersey/shoulder messes up his technique so he can't go through a normal wind up and follow through, but the only reason the ball came out was Ward throwing it.
Man this is the 3rd week in a row Miami has gotten bailed out by the refs, and at least the 2nd time they have benefitted from an overturn of a call that had no business being done because there was no conclusive evidence that should have allowed it.
The ACC is making this shit up on the fly to manipulate wins and losses. It's bullshit, it goes against their own rulebook and it's fucking blatant.
Jim Phillips has done absolutely nothing to make me believe he's a good commissioner. Granted, he came into a tough situation but it has only gotten worse during his tenure
Earlier on the game there was a hold missed on the 63 yard TD play to Restrepo when the score was tied at 31. The Miami linemen had the defender in a headlock.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1847710394640429544
By far the easiest way to fix a game in pro and college football. The referee is behind the LOS and QB so he can see a long touchdown. Just throw a flag for holding- done. Play wiped out, score wiped out. Mahomes is losing? The other team throws a long bomb for a TD to go up 10?? - holding. Its very simple. There is "holding" on every play.
There's holding and then there is
DRAPED OVER THE GUYS BACK WITH YOUR ARM ACROSS HIS NECK AND CHEST, OUT IN THE OPEN AND ALMOST GETTING TO THE QB holding.
They can ride this wave of "good luck" to having their doors blown off in the playoffs. Miami's defense is horrid and saved only by a QB playing his nuts off.
There are a few WRs playing their nuts off too.
Yep, I was the thinking the same thing. They might be ranked in the top 10, but they are definitely not a top-10 team. If they win the ACC, at-large bids will be salivating to play the U in the second round lol.
In CFB a QB can take you a long way. That fucking kid is rolling aces right now- literally everything he does works. With 6 years experience, you expect that- It might be Miami's year. I don't think they will win it all, but he can take them a long way
LOL and now the officials in the Texas / Georgia game make a terrible call on a pick, calling defensive pass interference on a clear Offensive pass intereference, students litter the fans with beer cans, the refs then wait around another 5 minutes in a circle jerk and then reverse an unreversible call.
The officiating is wild and making me more mad about the miami bullshit.