Marcus Vick v. PETA
http://www.thewire.com/entertainment/2014/03/peta-isnt-thrilled-new-york...
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2002523-marcus-vick-responds-to-tweet...
I actually think Marcus is right on this one... pretty unprofessional by PETA.
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Funny thing is PETA has killed something like 30,000 animals in the last 15 years
I worked there prior to my current job. It isn't like that at all trust me. The cats & dogs that peta euthanizes are at the end of the road, in health situations that can't be fixed financially (peta can't spend all of it's money helping every sick animal), and PETA does no to low cost euthanizations for pet owners (it's expensive to euthanize an old pet that is lifeless so peta helps by doing it for cheap).
The peta enemies try to make it seem like peta's out there rounding up animals just to kill them and that's not the case at all. I've seen this stuff first hand, it's a very cold world out there for a lot of animals. Think about it, if you want to gain publicity in a crowded animal organization environment, the easiest thing to do is to attack the biggest (and proudly controversial) organization that everybody, both animal lovers and non activists, know and recognize.
Carry on though, just wanted to shed some light on that....
Edit: I want it to be known I'm not one of those weird activist people though. It was a job for me; they brought me on to help on the business side of things. I love dogs a whole whole lot, but Mike Vick is my homie.
So when the going gets tough and the animals are in a tough spot, PETA just decides to kill them off instead of trying to rehab them back to good health? And we're supposed to respect that while they're out protesting against anyone who does harm to those same animals? Really?
For an organization that equates animals to humans as much as they do, I can only gather they also advocate for the legal euthanization of humans when the costs of keeping them alive get too high or if a family cannot afford the health costs. No? Then by their own standards, how can they sleep at night?
While I'm not a PETA supporter, as a pet owner, you know that there comes a time when animals are suffering more than living. When there is no possibility of rehab or getting back to good health. The only thing is delaying the inevitable. I'm certain there are many humans who wish they had this opportunity as well. Ones with degenerative diseases, cancer, and other terminal illnesses. People who would rather go on their own terms than go through pain and suffering. It's the reason we occasionally will see those people commit suicide or sign for a DNR while receiving treatments in the hospital. The expenses involved in keeping something that is dying alive for just a little bit longer often become the deciding factor, and many times they outweigh the benefit of living and suffering. Each person has their own thoughts on the subject and a forum dedicated to everything Hokie is not the place to get into arguments over the matter.
No they do a lot in their own control to find the animals homes and they have very good ties with the local shelters. There's two critical things you have to understand here: 1. Peta can't use all of it's money to cure sick animals. If they did that, they would be out of money quickly and there would be lines down the block of people asking for help. Peta's goal is to change the mindset of people so that terrible things don't happen to animals in the first place. They're all about fixing it on the front end, not the back end. 2. They do everything in their power to get these animals to a place where they can be adopted. They have close ties with the local animal shelters and they try to relinquish most animals to these shelters without even taking them into it's own care. (Peta isn't a shelter) What happens often times is these shelters won't take these animals because it's a burden on them. The shelters have to report their euthanasia numbers just like peta does and they don't want to inflate their numbers by taking in animals they know they'll have to off. It's a dirty game but peta never backs down from what the public thinks is right/wrong so they do the dirty work that others are scared to take on themselves.
The fix all to this would be for peta to just start a medical/adoption shelter but they realistically can't do that. They're the biggest, most known animal organization out. If they tried to do something like that then like I said, they would tap their resources and have no means to pursue their actual mission which is to change the culture, not just clean up problems.
And I'm not defending everything they do. They take things very far on a lot of accounts (and they do that for the exact reason that this thread exists. They want people to talk as much about peta as much as possible. Good or bad. They feel if they get somebody to the website no matter how they have to do it, there's a chance that person could see some horrific footage and change their habits and this happens quite often). I'm strictly speaking to the euthanasia subject.
Edit: I'm not trying to turn tkp into an animal rights discussion forum, just providing perspective as someone who's actually been inside the organization. It's really easy to just read stuff on the internet and form opinions, I've seen it with my own eyes and even donated many weekend hours to helping these animals. Just take the euthanasia stuff with a grain of salt is all I'm saying.
Did you work at the Norfolk office? My dad went there for work once and refused to set foot in there ever again. He said there was animals running around everywhere and animal feces all over the place. He told his company to turn down the contract so they wouldn't have to go back there again. He even thought about calling another animal abuse place on them because of how bad the conditions were even for then animals in there.
Yeah it was the norfolk office. I was there for over a year, the only animals we had in there on the regular were three cats that live in the office (they lived on the floor I worked on, it was so weird). Other than that, the only animals that came in were temporarily held in the handful of designated "animal rooms." Those rooms can get kind of dirty when the animals are there but it was only confined to those rooms while I was there.
I rarely, if ever, agree with Marcus Vick, but I'm with him on this one...PETA is out of line in my opinion
The man served his time and effectively paid a $50 million dollar fine. Let it go PETA.
What's really sad is I know a lot of "animal-lovers" with the same outlook as PETA. When it comes to anything else, they're genuinely good people and believe in second chances and redemption, but when it comes to a case like Vick and animals for some reason they freak out and CANNOT let it go.
Guy who harmed human beings in horrible ways and tried to assimilate back into society and redeem himself? Yeah, he's a role model, sure. Guy who harmed a few animals and tried to assimilate back into society and redeem himself? He's an absolute terrorist scumbag and can never be forgiven no matter what. I don't get it.
Common theme with these people is that they have complete disregard for people/children/humans, but treat animals with some kind of irrational reverence....ironic and pathetic.
The same bashing flared up when he signed here In Philly. Give it a couple weeks to settle down. PETA's looking for any and every way to get attention. Like NYC, Philly's a love/hate town and theres alotta love for MV7 in the City of brotherly love!
GO HOKIES!
The balls of PETA to say that when they euthanize more pets than any other animal organization. The entire lot of em can stuff it
Anyone remember that chicken incident five or six years ago?
They released a "hidden camera" video showing how chickens are treated in slaughterhouses. It showed them being tossed against walls, stepped on, crushed, and all sorts of other shit. Turns out the employees were PETA members who broke into the building and filmed themselves doing it, not the actual employees. When questioned one of them said something along the lines of "Well, they were going to die anyway, we just wanted to raise awareness to what actually happens in there." They're just crazy people.
MV7 has done more for animal rights and protection than both those organizations have done in their entire existence combined.
I still can't get over how much Vick gets compared to a certain Steelers QB
did anyone else read the title of the thread and think "oh lord, what did mv5 get arrested for now?"
Yep. He is probably the most entertaining former Hokie to follow on Twitter. Him or David Wilson (for completely different reasons).
Here's my take on this, sorry if this gets too political.
Michael Vick was convicted of a crime, served his time in prison and, as stated above, lost millions in potential revenue. Set aside whether you think the punishment fit the crime for a moment; he served the sentence mandated by our legal system. The prison sentence serves several purposes; keeping a prisoner apart from society for safety reasons, as punishment and to rehabilitate them to rejoin society.
Both that punishment and the impact on his professional career have been severe. Is PETA saying he's not rehabilitated? That the hours he's put into supporting the Humane Society and youth programs mean nothing? What about the thousands of criminals who are released every year who show no remorse and do NOTHING to redeem themselves from their crime? Why aren't we attacking them in a public forum and inciting hatred against them?
If we as a society believe that there is no rehabilitation of criminals, that there is no hope they can integrate back into and contribute to society, then why are we sending people to prison at all? Why don't we just take them behind the courthouse and put a bullet in their head? I'm sure whoever wrote that tweet also put their children up for adoption when they misbehave instead of punishing them and expecting them to learn from their mistakes.
You've gotta realize that this is PETA we're talking about here. They aren't like most of society, they're crazy people.
They're not crazy. You just need to sit down and break some bread with them. Like all people if you reason with them and share something together they can be quite reasonable.
I suggest you have a chat over Swansons.
Just grin and let them know you heard their concerns,
Curious, but which ones aren't crazy?
read the post above mine and then reread mine as written in sarcastica.
Ah, thx for that.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY LANE STADIUM WOULD MAKE WITH THESE THINGS?!?!?!?!
Whit, get on that!!
Something I've thought about for a long time. Why are they not having a turkey leg bbq competition at Lane every year?
Think of it like a Chili Cook-Off or something. Take the South Lot, charge admission, extend it out to the whole region, sell concessions (ie. beer). Tailgate games. Kids bouncy house. Hokie bird. Give prizes:
Best of Student
Best of Alumni & Fans
Best Sauce
Most Tender
Best in Show
This would be a killer to plan this for a bye weekend every fall. keep them Hokies coming out to Lane even without a football game.
***show the away game on the big screens would make it even more inviting.
There is a bumper sticker down here Alabama, it reads..."If deer aren't supposed to be eaten, then why are they made of meat?" Friggin classic. Would love to sneak up on a PETA car and plant that beauty.
Yes PETA is nuts. If they disagree with the punishment, they should try to change the law. But why are we upset if they make a snide comment on twitter?
As a born and raised vegetarian, PETA annoys the hell out of me.
Can you actually be born a vegetarian or is every person born a vegetarian until your first bite of meat?
Well judging how your jaws/teeth are as a human being, you're born an omnivore, you choose to be a vegetarian.
I just assumed it was the same as "Blacksburg, born and raised." I'm not inherently a folk from Blacksburg (I usually go with Blacksburgicite). There is no "Blacksburg" gene running through my blood. But, yet, that's how my entire life has been lived. Even when I didn't live in Blacksburg, I was still Blacksburg, born and raised.
The "raised" part of that comment is disturbing. FWIW It is my goal to eat as many different creatures as possible...alas, I still haven't been able to check off "PETA member" from my list.
If you do it right you could check off eating a "peta member" and "tuna" at the same time...
#cunnalingus
Well....I have to draw the line somewhere.
Um, sorry...who has electrocuted, hung, shot people and been reintroduced to society as a role model? And why do people even compare the two. He did terrible things to innocents. This is unforgivable to many, no matter how much money he lost.
I disagree with you as he served his time and lost more than we can possibly know. But nobody should downvote you for your opinion. Here's a leg
I downvoted you because you haven't intelligently, logically or scientifically expounded upon your opinion.
I asked a question that you decided to not answer. But downvote away instead of trying to discuss. The discussion was, why is Vick still getting crap for this when others who have done worse to people are held up as role models. My answer is, people love animals and he admitted to doing horrible things to them, so many people won't forgive. And then I was questioning who has done worse to people and is now a role model.
Kinda like how you just conflated animals with humans?
This is a hot-button issue, so I'll simply say this: some people do equate animals and children because they are largely helpless against the will of a grown adult human, especially one with weapons. People need to stop downvoting the opinion expressed above; it's merely an observation of what some people believe. It may be the minority opinion around here (and probably overall), but there's nothing offensive about it.
Full disclosure: I myself didn't downvote him.
And there are huge ramifications at play if animals suddenly gain equal status to people. Probably not a TKP discussion, though.
Probably not but I think someone's ethical beliefs shouldn't be penalized here. I didn't think for a moment you were a downvoter. Others just occasionally need to be reminded.
Fine...
But the next time a pro athlete murders someone, or obstructs the investigation of a murder, or gets behind the wheel drunk and endangers everyone else on the road due to his actions, then I expect the masses to be leading the charge against them for the rest of their lives as well.
But the fact of the matter is, this never happens. Ray Lewis has a cushy ESPN job after obstructing a murder case in 2000. A case in which he was a major suspect. But did that follow him the rest of his career? Nope. Not at all, and in fact, he's heralded as an ambassador of the game. Vick is still vilified and crucified to this day of his actions of nearly ten years ago. According to the legal system he did his time, and as a society, its time for everyone to move on.
See Donte Stallworth. 30 Day Sentence for killing a guy crossing the street because his lawyer found a technicality in Florida law.
Florida is a little bit of a strange state when it comes to when it's legal to kill people.
I'm not trying to say anything about anyone's opinions or intentions on this one, but could we please not discuss the stand-your-ground law in Florida on here?
I ain't touching it.
And I wasn't trying to accuse you of doing so. I saw potential for a non-sports and non-VT related discussion that would lead nowhere.
I love this site for everyone being respectful of each others' opinions and the passion we all share for Virginia Tech and its athletic program. Every once in a while someone joins who does not understand the spirit of the site and things can get out of hand. I apologize if I'm coming off as obnoxious, just wanted to nip this one in the bud.
Is it bud or butt? Never been really clear on that. Nor have I been overly interested to look the answer up.
It's "nip it in the bud," though if you tried to nip a certain Bud, I'm sure you'd come out worse for the wear...
It was sad that the NFL commissioner had to inflict more of a penalty than the legal system.
The difference is that ray Lewis was not found guilty. Vick plead guilty. Although most reasonable people can probably assume that ray did something bad, it is not a known fact what happened. Vick admitted it. Again, I'm not saying Vick shouldn't be allowed to make a living now that he's paid his price. But us getting outraged because PETA takes a jab on twitter is crazy...what do we expect from peta? And please don't bring up Dante stallworth, he killed a person and is playing in the league again, just like Vick.
Just like OJ was found innocent...
About Stallworth, that was kind of my point. You don't see a big group of people protesting everywhere Stallworth goes in the league and he served an even lighter sentence for killing a human being. Vick served an outlandishly long sentence for what he was convicted of compared to others convicted of the same crime. The average sentence for his crime was 8 months, with good conduct release at 4 months. Vick was convicted for 23 months and served all of it because of how high profile he was. The prosecutor and the judge used Vick's publicity to make him an example. Some will argue it wasn't long enough. Did what he do make me angry? Sure. Do I think that with how our justice system is that he should have been treated differently than others convicted of the same crime? No. Do I think that he should still have to deal with as much negative publicity compared to others like Stallworth, who only makes the news now when he gets burned in a hot air balloon accident? No.
Not to mention most people serve in a local jail or minimum security. Vick was sent to Leavenworth. There is no easy time there.
I still remember having to do Prison Break Drills at my elementary school when my Dad was stationed there for the Army. They have a military, federal and state prison all within like four miles of each other.
Yep. Just my opinion. Mike Vick has done a lot of good, and I wasn't questioning his right to make a living now that he's served his time, just saying that many people aren't ever going to let it go. I think if he really did all those things and any of us were there watching it, we may find it difficult to let go too, even if you aren't a dog lover.
I was commenting on a post that equated the two.
I uplegged you to balance you out, but as it has already been covered above, many of us find this mindset hypocritical. Also, this isn't exactly an unbiased forum where you can bash Vick...
The man did his time, he apologized, he continues to work to improve his cause. Not moving on just seems to be very closed minded at this point.
Not to mention he certainly hasn't done anything to deserve assholes say things like "lock him and his children in a dark room and throw them against the wall." I cannot count how many times I've seen comments similar or exactly like this one.
Btw, I uplegged you on another comment you made on this thread. But if you're saying the animals are innocent, well if those animals hurt other animals (even if they were trained) then they are no longer innocent (according to your logic). Just sayin...
Sorry bro. If he ate the dogs would it be ok? Is he allowed to eat a dog? Why not? We kill and eat cows, pigs, and chickens everyday. Veal, aka, poor defenseless baby cow. Boo freaking whoo. Veal is tasty, and so is lamb. I also like to eat unborn chickens. Scrambled eggs. Ahhh yeah!
Ever think about how those animals you buy in the store get there? Guess what, they don't go to sleep on a down comforter and wake up on the plate. They are "electrocuted, shot, and hung" - yep all three in one instance or another. Pass the bacon please. Get over it.
PETA definitely was way out of line, but I still do understand those who refuse to support anything that he is involved in. Just because he served his time doesn't mean we have to welcome him back with open arms. If someone were to do something terrible to a family member, you wouldn't just welcome them back after they serve their prison sentence. Some people see what he did as an unforgivable act.
I had fun with the situation above, but I do agree with this.
Individuals can choose to forgive or never forget. It's up to them. It sucks for Vick but if it follows him the rest of his life he has no one but himself to blame.
I love PETA! Oh...you mean the OTHER PETA. I thought you meant the People for the Eating of Tasty Animals...
Pretty Edible Tasting Animals needs to take a chill pill. "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone"
One of my favorite quotes from the Bibke and I think all those crazy organizations needs a big dose of this.
What is this wonderful Bibke and where can I buy one?
Some thoughts on PETA...
-In high school a local PETA group showed up at the McDonalds I worked at and threw raw meat on some of our vehicles (I found that humerous because they handled raw meat and it's McDonalds so chances are there is no real meat there anyway). There were more PETA members there that day then fans at UVAs spring game.
-I notice on twitter these guys troll harder then most. It's like that is the only way they can keep their organization relevant. Kind of like how UVA likes to talk a lot about their lacrosse teams.
I have no issue with people wanting to ensure that animals are being treated correctly however for the most part PETA goes overboard
PETA will always dump on MV7 since it gets them a lot of mileage and donations$$$. Even if MV7 gave them $ and offered to work with them they would turn him down. They benefit more by tapping into people's hatreds and fears (politicians do the same). We are all playing into this horrible meme that will not resolve anything.
Im not a vegetarian so I cant judge Mike Vick. The PETA people are hypocrites. I support Marcus Vick on this topic!