Fanduel recently posted futures lines at 7.5 for VT next season (source). Feels a little low given the hype train racing down the track.
What say you? O/U 7.5?
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Over all day. Hype train is fully engaged for me!!!
As a guy who - ahem, cough, partakes a bit- Vegas is better than anyone on here, better than Stanford Steve, better than any magazine. They are scary good, which is why billion dollar resorts sit in the middle of the desert. Point is 7/8 wins will be damn close to what actually happens.
That's exactly why I don't gamble. Those casinos aren't that huge because they lose a lot of money.
I don't gamble big money. why? I lost 6 games last week on the hook (.5)- SIX!!! Vegas is nearly exact now. Better beware.
Bettors better beware.
Bettors better bet better.
The books also thrive on idiots. The margins on prop bets and parlays have to be almost as good as printing your own money.
Something like season win totals is probably closer to 50/50, though not in fucking April. Too many opportunities for players to get hurt, expelled, or arrested between now and kickoff.
FTFY
Just looking at our schedule, I think there are 4-5 games we could definitely lose. Ideally, we beat the teams we should and steal 1 or 2 from the teams that will be favored against us, but 7 or 8 wins is believable.
The BC loss is off the schedule, correct?
BC is a Thursday night in Lane Stadium. If we can't win that game, we don't deserve happiness.
ah shit I forgot... they roll off in 2078
LOL, we're replacing them with Wisconsin.
Whom we will probably ACTUALLY play some time in the 22nd century! (MAYBE)
Yes, when we join the Big 10
This subthread is underrated.
OVER! 9 wins next year!
Over
I want to say over.
Honestly, I think 7.5 is a pretty generous line for VT. I'd almost take the under. I love all the hype and everything but our schedule doesn't have any real gimmes (despite the fact that 10 years ago a lot of these would be) and we just aren't the team we were 15 years ago. Not really even close.
@Vanderbilt - First game of the season. I think it'll be ugly. I could see this one going either way
Marshall - Marshall beat us last year
@ODU - Have we won in Norfolk yet?
Rutgers - Rutgers crushed us last year
@Miami - Miami has won the last two
@Stanford - Stanford is not good but this game is on the road, across the f*ing country
BC - BC usually gives us trouble but at least its not in sleepy Chestnut Hill
GT - GT seems to be hot and cold - I could see this going either way
@Syracuse - that goddamn dome. We haven't won in Syracuse since 2000. I won't expect us to do so until I see it happen
Clemson - Still talented. I think they will win by pure might.
@Duke - Without Elko I think we stand a decent chance. Thank goodness he's gone. Otherwise, this would be a likely embarrassing loss.
Virginia - The only game on our schedule that I think is a solid win right now.
I think 7 wins is a realistically optimistic expectation for this team. Given our recent history (and recruiting) I don't think we can fairly expect to win 8-10 games regularly until we start actually doing that again.
Interesting. That's a lower over/under number than I would've expected for a 12-0 regular season record.
Under to keep the coach in place! Mediocrity for stability!
I'm all in on this brand of 4D chess. My heart can only take so many HC departures.
Over unless bad shit starts happening with personnel.
I was in Vegas before the 2018 season and placed an Under bet on the year. O/U was at 8. The guy I was with, who is the advanced stats/gambling guy for WaPo, couldn't believe I was taking the under, but I knew that Adonis was out for the year and we were already replacing a bunch of guys on defense and it just wasn't shaping up to be the best year for Bud, on top of the fact that after Jerod Evans left, Fuente still hadn't shown any advancement in offense. Made $15.
Edit: Well, bad shit started happening but it wasn't injury or off the field stuff. It was definitely on the field.
This is probably a good over/under number. I think we're a pretty safe bet to win 8 or more games, but would you set a betting line for VT at 8.5? Or even 8? Probably not.
Keep in mind, this has to take into account the possibility a team loses their starting QB, or half their offensive line, to injury. As Virginia Tech is - today - on paper, we're a good team. We have above-average talent on both offense and defense, and we're fairly deep in some key positions (WR, DL). Most importantly, we have one of the better QBs in the country. I'll be surprised (and disappointed) if we don't win 8.
I think 8 or 8.5 would've been a tougher line than 7.5. But, clearly I'm the sucker.
Confirmed: I am the sucker.
Over and then Pry gets poached by a bigger school sending us right back to the basement.
I am only somewhat joking
As I'm better $0 on this
we're getting the over
Give me the over. We showed improvement last year, brought almost everyone meaningful back, addressed a couple key spots of weakness in the portal, and the vibes have been sky high. I'll take us in the 8-9 win range.
I can totally see this. I can also see an injury in any number of thin positions torpedoing our season. Can't bring myself to pull the trigger one way or the other. And I took the over last year.
Over. 6-6 last year and we were not good at all at the start of the year. Vastly improved team by the end of the season, virtually everyone of consequence coming back and, if anything, an even easier schedule. Just going from 1-3 non-conference to 3-1 and the same record in the ACC (without having to go to FSU or Louisville, like we did last year) and that is 8-4.
My honest guess is 8-4 and 9-3 is quite possible. 7-5 won't be terrible, but I'll be a bit disappointed with all the talent coming back. Adding in the bowl game, I'm thinking 7-6 is disappointing, 8-5 is not bad and I'd be okay if it includes (1) beating UVa and (2) winning the bowl game, and 9-4 or better is good.
Still processing my grief over the Kenny Brooks departure and feeing a little manic...
Smashing the over. VT makes the expanded playoff and earns an invite from the SEC (ACC exit strategy TBD) to secure our place in the sun. Choo Choo!
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If the team can keep the same energy moving forward that they had at the end of last season, take the over.
edit: my biggest flaw is that I have hope
All over the over..... Pry is ahead of schedule and will bring back the start of the 10 win streak this year. We are more talented at every position than we were last year and deeper. They will get the middle of the defense straightened out and Marve and Pry's collective embarrassment over the issues on the defensive side will be resolved. Time to get on board the Blacksburg Express. It's building up a head of steam and at the Spring Game it will start rolling out of the depot and be ready to go full throttle in time for poor ole Vandy. Mark it here for December reference, the boys are back!
And I do not know for certain but I would bet the house that we hit the over from Vegas in 95 when Frank got the engine going the first time.
I'll have what he's having!
I believe that's Brent Pry aged 3 years
its lying time, we are winning 10 games and you cant tell me shit
10? Why not 12?
Growing pains. 10 is good progress from last year and will have us in ACC championship talks.
gotta be realistic
It's math!
3 regular season wins in 2022 doubles to 6 regular season wins in 2023 doubles to 12 regular season wins in 2024.
So....12 is the number, the number is 12. Science-y technical stuff tells us so.
But we won 7 games last year, does that mean 14 wins this year?
Sure. Win the ACC Championship game plus one more (either first round playoff or if we get the Free Shoes U treatment, our bowl game). The math still works. /s
I'm going to take the over, but I do think it depends on injuries. While it is true this is the most complete, and deep VT team we've seen in quite a while, that isn't saying a whole lot if we are honest about it. A QB or RB injury could really mess things up in the backfield. A key LB injury could throw us right back into the place we've been the last couple of years (you get my point).
Additionally, we haven't had a winning culture in Blacksburg for quite a while. I know, the second half of last season was a huge step in the right direction. We can see things progressing. It was amazing to see the turnaround. However, a single season turnaround doesn't necessarily mean a winning culture has been established (I do tend to think what we saw in the second half of last season is an indication of where we are headed), so while my heart is all in my head is telling me to pump the breaks.
Vanderbilt: W
Marshal: W
ODU: W
Rutgers: W
**I think we will be ranked, or just outside of the top 25 at this point**
Miami/Stanford/BC: We could win all three and we could lose all three. Not because these teams are exponentially better than VT, but because this is a brutal stretch as it relates to travel. The ACC really screwed us here. So I'm taking 1 win here.
GT: W
Syracuse: L: Until we actually win in that God forsaken place I won't believe that we can do it.
Clemson: L: I do think we can win this game, but I want to be measured in my take here.
Duke: W
LOLUVA: Duh... W
That gives our beloved Hokies 8 wins with the potential for 9-10 IMO. Either way, I think this will be a great season for Pry and the Virginia Tech football team!
I'm higher on Syracuse than you are, but more concerned about GT. But looking at the schedule, I can see 2 losses crime GT/Syracuse/Duke.
Don't blink on Rutgers, they could be really good next year.
Rutgers is definitely a team to watch next season... now that the B10 is divisionless, Rutgers misses OSU, Michigan, and PSU for the first time since they've joined the league. Looking at their schedule, VT could be one of the three best teams they play.
Damn, after doing a tiny bit of research, Only 4 of these games feel like a confident win (Vandy, Marshall, ODU, LOLUVA).
You are confident about VT playing AT ODU? new around here?
If we are an 8 win regular season team, I'm happy as a clam. And really, that's what we should be aiming for. The whole time it's been said this is a 2025 rebuild. 8 wins shows progress in that direction.
I'm moving my chips into the 2024 basket tbh...in this day and age, you can hardly project out one season much less two. Our 2025 team could have 1) an entirely new QB 2) a whole new starting receiving core 3) who knows on the d-line 4) another season of no staff turnover, especially if we win 9+ games is unlikely 5) will the ACC still exist in 2025?
Football is a win ASAP sport more than ever. We return basically our entire team from a 7 win team that showed good flashes in Oct/november, if pry can't win with this roster than 🤷♂️
Problem is, the first wave of Pry-developed recruits and transfers will probably be gone this year. Delane, Strong, Tutan, Jennings, Lane, Felton, Gosnell and others likely going to the draft or graduating. Almost feels like we have to capitalize now.
That said, 8 wins, continued OL development, and an improved recruiting class will have me excited for 2025.
The offense was clicking the end of last year, despite obvious holes. The defense made massive strides towards competence. We didn't really lose anyone irreplaceable. Barring injuries, we're in a great place.
I'd take the over, but I ain't placing that bet until half an hour before the Vandy game.
If Pry fixes the whole opposing team RBs run down the field untouched thing in September, we have a shot to win 8. If he doesn't and Rutgers RB looks like Jim Brown again, 7 wins is totally possible.
He just has to slow them down and out score, I know that's an odd thought for VT fans
O/U on it costing $700K to travel to Stanford?
https://247sports.com/college/virginia-tech/article/703000-counting-the-...
Fucking unreal. How the hell can we afford to be sending our sports teams to the west coast?
At least it was a win.
Because the three new teams are foregoing revenue for 6 years or something.
I know this is a big scary number and all, but it lacks some perspective. How does this compare to a trip to Raleigh, Miami, or Chestnut hill? Is this twice our normal road trip cost or ten times. I have no idea.
Also, if it says this in the article, my apologies, it seems to be behind a paywall.
Trip to Miami was about $300K...so about a $400K increase over the farthest travel in conference prior to these new adds.
Honestly adding 400k to a football travel budget is nothing, adding the cost to baseball or soccer or what ever other sport that has minimal budget is huge (not that it would be 400k, due to size of teams)
It's $400K over the highest cost of previous travel. Any season it's away at Stanford/Cal and SMU you are adding $600-$700K minimum but if it's those two versus not going to two of the NC schools, it could be more like a $1.1-1.2M increase.
Man reading thru this thread was depressing... 😔
There was so much hope... Absolutely crushed
Can't go 13-5 without losing 5.
You have been in brewing/distilling business far toooooooo long
You just had to remind us of this didn't you.
Over.
See how easy that was?
Some things to ponder:
Tough year to be an alum of both VT and SC... Sigh.
BYU sure is kicking some serious butt. Were they really expected to have 6 fewer wins? Know they're having a great season, but I would have thought they would have been predicted to be reasonably good anyway.
The embed doesn't even show FSU. You have to click on the actual post to find them...
The term epic is way overutilized, but FSU is by the truest definition an epic failure. They are the first to be ranked in the top ten to start the season and lose 9 of their 10 games. I guessing they are the first in the ACC to go undefeated and win the league to go on to only win one ACC game the following season.
The schadenfreude of seeing F$U all alone at the bottom.....
And nobody else even close. Super hilarious. Couldn't have happen to a more deserving team. Though I can think of a few others than I would want to see with them at the bottom.
"Couldn't have happen to a more deserving team."
Penn State: "Hold my beer."
Noter Lame comes to mind far more than Penn State.
Wenzel looks so much better under Duffy than Brooks. I was worried she was a "bust" but maybe it's just the way Brooks coaches or schemes.
Duffy might prove to be a better coach than Brooks, just needs to more time to develop players, implement her scheme, and recruit more ballers.
Always thought Wenzel played looking over her shoulder that any mistake and Georgia was back in the game. She can be herself this year. And she looks much improved.
All of the returning team seems to have hit the gym hard during the last year. I didn't recognize Baker at the first game.
Also they all seem to playing with enjoyment right now. It seems morale is good.
Yea, Baker looks more toned. Also has a new hair style to match the physique. Definitely a new look for 2024.
sir this is a football o/u thread from march
I too was quite confused
I definitely had the wrong link open. My bad. -- This was supposed to be the WBB vs UNC Ashville thread.
It seems I accidently had TKP open in two tabs, which was one tab too many in this instance.
Every thread can be a WBB thread when you're a WBB school.
I just assumed Pry had paid them to try to change the subject.
well 6 and 6 with a potential bowl win to put us at 7 I guess isnt to bad if the original O/U was 7.5
Obviously not what we wanted but not far off from where they thought we'd be.
No one wants to hear this, but our conference schedule turned out to be much more difficult that we would have assumed at the beginning of the year. As of today's standings, only 1 of our 8 conference games (Stanford) will be against teams among the bottom 6 in the league. And only 1 other conference game (BC) will even be against teams in the bottom half of the standings. So yeah, in hindsight 7 wins is probably about right.
That being said, I'm not sure we're going to hit 7 wins. There's a VERY realistic chance we're going to finish 5-7.
I think Duke is over rated and we are going to have a comfortable win assuming that we are healthy enough to play.
I am however very worried about UVA.
I tend to agree. They beat NC State, who is on their 3rd string QB, they beat UNC by one after trailing the majority of the game, and they beat 1-10 FSU.
They got smoked by Miami, lost a close one to SMU and lost by ten to Georgia Tech. The SMU game is the best they have looked in ACC play.
The stadium will likely be a Hokies filled space more than Duke "fans"
SMU had 6 turnovers in that game and still won.
All of this is waaaaay too logical for the ACC though, none of it makes sense. lol
We'll be there
Yep - Bill C's numbers have us with the 9th hardest schedule in the country. It will continue to move, but wild to think.
Not an excuse though. We've been in every game.
2025 is our year! /s