Kinda crazy that we've gone this long in the season without needing one.
, but here we are.
Florida State just let their OC, DC, and WR coach go.
I gotta imagine Norvell's leash is short AF after this.
Florida doubled down on Napier before getting throttle by Texas, odd choice
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$60m+ buy out as we await the details of the house settlement will give a coach a longer leash.
Have to imagine it'll be an immense challenge for Norvell to get anything going at FSU after this year. Feels like he's a dead man walking. How do you recruit at a high level in that situation? (maybe the answer is simply that you're Florida State...)
The dudes that he won with last year fucked him by not playing in the bowl. As in like none of them. UGA broke their spirit big time. They have plenty of talent. Let's see if Novell can get them to actually play well.
I disagree... Would you be shocked if FSU went 10-2 and made the playoffs next year? I wouldn't. Norvell is one of the top 2 portal recruiters (Kiffin being the other). He's a good coach, and has proven that time and time again.
It won't be 'easy' but I don't think Norvell is Fuente in 2021... Norvell rebuilt FSU, improving by 4 wins each season. Dude can coach.
That said, I agree FSU fans won't be patient - he's gotta get at minimum 8 wins next year.
Yep and FSU losing to dogshit acc teams in the exception - not the rule
Yeah, he was 13-1 last year. Not sure what all happened this year, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was over 10 wins again next year.
Regarding recruiting, I think even Fuente could get 5 stars at FSU.
Fuente
wasn't a bad recruiterhad some decently-graded recruiting classes. He just couldn't:a) hold on to those top-level recruits, and
b) fill the positions we desperately needed, and
c) hold on to the top position coaches he manage to attract long enough for them to have an impact
Fuente wasn't a good recruiter. A good recruiter builds a complete roster. Fuente's recruiting rankings were propped up by over-recruiting skill positions and large classes.
Pry has at least made efforts to fill gaps in our roster. Fuente seemed totally oblivious to those gaps.
I agree. I just stated it in a different way. He had some decently graded recruiting classes. I'll update accordingly.
I would amend this a bit...
To say Fuente wasn't a bad talent evaluator.
He found multiple guys early on who became great college players..even had a few as verbals...Mike Sanristil, Ty Warren, Darrisaw, Strong, Jermaine Waller, Amare Barno..among others. Problem is he couldn't get enough of them to come to VT.
But:
Thought Quincy Patterson got on track at NDSU but then he transferred to Temple and disappeared again. Definitely one that should have done the QB to TE transition.
UF is trying to hang on to their recruiting class/Lagway. Napier's leash isn't much longer than Norvell's, if any.
Napier is atleast losing to good teams
Kennesaw State in first year of FBS fired coach who built them into an FCS power.
Love this for Liberty.
Schadenfreude aside, I know they're 1-8, but that's what going from FCS to FBS usually looks like. It's crazy to not even give him a full season in FBS. JMU has really wrecked the curve for a lot of schools.
That's interesting since it's their transition year plus a big win over Liberty
Agree with the others who posted here. Seems like a pretty stupid move to fire him. Unless there was something going on more than just the record.
IMO seems plausible given how the coach deemed it necessary to clarify media reports that he wasn't stepping down, that he was actually let go.
This has been the plan all along - the guys on SZD has been saying this would happen since the move to FBS was announced.
Their fan base seems to have been blindsided by this move and are angry with the AD. Will be interesting if any of the donors that matter are the same and decide the AD needs to go.
Coach Bohannon was 63-18 until 2021 but the last three seasons he was 9-20.
Their AD came out after his initial announcement to try to put the blame back on Bohannon for the announcement.
His new claim is that he called Bohannon in and offered him the chance to "step down" and thought that he had agreed to do it which is why they made the announcement as they did.
If you have any type of buyout, never step down voluntarily.
Dana Holgerson taking over as OC at Nebraska (sauce)
He's a drunk with zero fucks to give, but he CAN call ball plays. Good hire.
Ball State fired their coach today after losing to Buffalo 51-48 on Tuesday. It was a fun watch with no dog in the fight. Almost 1000 yards of offense. Zero defense. Buffalo really should have blown them out but turned it over three times.
Windiana just extended Cool Curt for 8 years
Guessing it turns out better for them than Fuente did for us. But I guess we'll see.
I mean, this is literally the first time in program history they've had double digit wins. He can lose out and it would be worth it.
I was thinking about the future, not this year. Guessing he will do better than Fuenta (not a high bar to cross). Just thinking if it will turn out to be an albatross or not. Freely admit, I don't know. We will see.
He probably won't choose to go to war with his players, but I guess you never know.
He might be - he basically recruited his entire JMU roster to UI. That option (despite what DC snarks about) won't be available to him forever. Can he recruit guys he doesn't have a n existing relationship with? Who knows.
That said he's won everywhere he's been - the D2 level, the FCS level, and the G5 level - much bigger sample size than Fuente.
Wow...8 years is alot....
A few names to ponder...Justin Fuente, Mel Tucker, Mike Norvell, Ed Orgeron...sometimes things do all come together for one year and the health of the Program behind the scenes isn't so wonderful.
Also, while I am impressed with anyone going undefeated at at Indiana, you have to consider they have had about the easiest possible B10 schedule one could dream of this year.
FWIW I think Cignetti is a good to very good Coach and in today's market an extension was almost certain but 8 years is alot of money on the hook when they just paid Tom Allen alot of money to go away.
You named all the recent reasons why NOT to make a move like this, esp. at $8M per year. Yeah, Indiana is having a (relative) great year while playing an absolute dogshit schedule (currently 100 out of 134). They are about to get smacked back into reality by Ohio St., and they'll be hungover from that loss and drop another L to Purdue, and then he's got to show what he does when his Big 10 schedule gets real again next year. He'll flail for another year, maybe 2, but that's still going to leave ~6 years to buyout.
No way they lose to Purdue lol
Honestly, not sure osu smacks them either. Thinking this could be a 24-21 type of game...
Its hard to overstate just how incredibly favorable IU's schedule has been. Of the Top-8 teams in B1G standings, they have played exactly 1 --Washington...who is number 8.
I think they will equate themselves reasonably well vs. OSU but I think the Buckeyes win convincingly.
I've been feeling this too. I think Indiana is a good team, but OSU is stacked, and will be looking to prove a point.
It's either close or it isn't.
Giving him 8 million a year base, plus 1 million a year retention bonus, plus major increase in staffing salary and staff size, increase in assistant coaches salary pool also. They also are increasing their goal for renovations of the stadium. That's a lot of financial commitment after a single season.
My guess is some of this was already in the works with those BigWhatever checks rolling in. They were going to spend it somewhere
Not sure what his buyout clause is, but if they let him go after 3 or 4 tanked seasons, then he'll be the one saying "Hoosier Daddy" all the way to the bank just like Ed O did
LMFAO- this will turn out worse than the Rangers A rod contract. One year he will actually have to play a good B1G team
Phil longo fired from Wiscy last night
Dave Aranda given the vote of confidence from his A.D.
P4 head coaching market is going to be Relatively tame this off-season, but the coordinator circuit is going to be insane
Hope we can manage to come out positive in the coordinator market
Would certainly assume that with Aranda. I mean with 4 wins in a row, they are one of the hottest teams in the country right now. Surprised they even felt like they had to say anything.
I mean, his trajectory has been wild:
2020: 2-7 (Covid)
2021: 12-2
2022: 6-7
2023: 3-9
2024: 6-4
It's sort of Fuente-esk with an early peak followed by a plunge into mediocrity. But it looks like they are resurfacing (unlike Fuente).
Started a table, unfortunately I wont be able to keep up with all of the expected coordinator shuffling this year, I barely managed to keep up with the HC stuff last year.
It was apparently not the year of the Owl in 2024.
Make a Google Sheet and share access so as people see the changes they can update for you rather than you having to do it.
Something like this? I could make another for coordinators to keep them a little cleaner.
Here's the link for updating. The second sheet should automatically update as schools make their hires to show a coach-centric view of the carousel as some TKPers requested last year, so no need to add data in there. I will post that pivot table when it starts to fill out.
Edit: The Google sheets link should now work without me having to grant access, sorry about that for those if you that have tried to assist with this.
Great thanks
im gonna copy the embed and link into the OP, thanks a bundle for doing this!
No problem, the height might need some adjusting every so often to make reading it easier.
Here's the coordinator one:
Sorry, GGC I think publishing this sheet kinda borked the OG embed.
Damn- herman went from coaching texas to fired by FAU
I had that same thought.
Remember when he was on Hokie fans' 2016 wishlists?
FAU gave him 2 years? What are they hoping to accomplish lol.
Relive the lane kiffin years
Don't feel too bad...guy has a net worth of about $25M to cry on.
Turns out he was a pretty good coach when he had Ohio State level players.
he was a good coordinator - the jump from OC/DC to HC isn't always smooth. Some OC/DC types make the transition pretty well. Others, not so much. I think Herman falls in the latter category
You don't say?
I'd take some Fired at Texas money...
Tom Herman I thought was a homerun...he was my #1 (yet unrealstic) option to replace Beamer. Even after not having much success at Texas, I thought he would prove himself and get back to P4....not so much.
Mike Houston was another name that got bantered about as a possibility to VT. ECU still paying for firing Ruffin McNeill..have been floundering ever since.
Just shows, hiring a Coach is hard and real sustainable success requires the right coach, resources, culture, administrative support...and, oh yeah, lots of $$$ helps too.
Charlotte at FAU in the Interim Coaches Bowl 2024...
I get that the Transfer Portal has made it possible to turn around a Program quickly, but FAU and Charlotte firing coaches after a year and change has me questioning whether expectations are officially reaching insane status.
These weren't healthy programs and weren't going to be destinations for any of the better players in the Portal.
I just don't see how burning up some buyout money and then bringing in the next guy to wash, rinse, and repeat is in any way beneficial for Programs like this.
Pretty much the same for Kennesaw State seeing as this was their first year at FBS
I'm pretty sure Poggi's odd personality pissed a lot of people off at Charlotte. The guy seems like a know it all and very good at coming off like an asshole when he doesn't mean to. Otherwise his record wasn't that bad there for what he inherited. Incoming class wasn't that good and they were relying heavy on the portal.
Herman ditto on pissing people off, although his record stunk too. They got significantly worse while he was there, makes me wonder if the game just passed him by because he was very good at the Houston hc and did a decent job at Texas
I think Herman had the game pass him by like 50 years ago. He lucked out at Houston and was an asshole at Texas.
Charlotte is the fastest growing urban area in america. Those big cities are typically pro sports towns. It doesn't have a college football feel.
Poggi is also a Harbaugh disciple and you can be rude and weird if you're winning but that stuff wears out real fast when you're losing
Narduzzi is still coaching at Pitt. Exception there.
Hate being fair to Nardouche but Pitt has only had a losing record two times in his ten years. They have gone 72-55 and been to eight bowl games.
I was thinking the same thing. He's a dick, but he wins at Pitt decently. Fu would still be here with his record.
Being a rude Dick is considered a positive character trait in Pittsburgh.
This guy knows some yinzers.
This guy lived in Morgantown for three years and American Legion baseball was mainly all over southern Pennsylvania. Got to play a five inning game at Three Rivers between a Pirates doubleheader back then so was surrounded by them. They weren't happy that the redneck mountain hillbillies curb stomped their PA champs 11-3.
My comment was more to the rude and weird portion...and he's not winning Natty's there either...
So, FAU had two 10 win seasons under lane, and they now think that should be the norm.
Charlotte's plan was 'if we build it they will come' but after spending a shit ton on facilities, they didn't have money left to pay staff competitively
Biff Poggi is out at Charlotte which isn't too much of a surprise
They fired Bohannon to then do this
HAHAHAHAHA. Has to be some type of university policy about posting all job openings, right?
Most likely but still comical.
After carefully considering all options and close consultation with my wife and family, if offered, I would decline the position of Head Coach, Football for Kennesaw State University.
With the carousel starting up, who is going to replace Nick Saban's School for Coaches that Can't Coach Good?
I would guess that this is going to end up being Georgia. At least until Kirby hangs it up. He is going to lose assistants and need to replace them on a regular basis and they have the money.
Solid photo choice here on3. What a joke of a program.
after that drama he pulled in the locker room when they lost to JMU, if I'm the UNC AD I don't give him the option to stay. "retire gracefully or we can fire you"
What drama?
After they got absolutely schlacked by JMU, Mac Brown started crying in the locker room talking about how that might've been his last game.
Then he walked it back 30 minutes later
I'm convinced if they force him to retire he'll just keep showing up like Biff Poggi.
Like George Costanza, when he didn't know if he had the job or not.
It reminded me of Milton from office space.
He'll probably say something like this to the new coach:
He and Belein didn't save their fucking money. RETIRE already. FFS
Probably has nothing to with money - for a lot of people, their job is their self worth, their identity, etc. Especially football coaches who notoriously don't have a life outside of football.
Yes - look at Beoheim- why leave your job when you are the most powerful person at the university and run your own little kingdom without oversight- get a 12 seed and you run the school
Narrator: "UNC had other plans however..."
Tulsa fires Kevin Wilson
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5943811/2024/11/24/tulsa-kevin-wilson-f...
Everything went downhill for them after the bowl game.
Reports coming out that Neal Brown is out at Wvu in Jan 25
I don't doubt this, I feel like he's been on the hot seat for 3+ years, but where are you seeing it reported?
Rumors
I like the hypothetical Jimbo to Morganhole scenario.
WVU is apparently actually broke, I can't imagine them affording Jimbo and everything he demands.
I liked the scenario because I found it funny. It will never happen because of what you mention. They have had a hard time getting rid of Neal Brown, no way they haul in Jimbo unless he is taking a retirement job à la Mack Brown.
Would they even need to pay him when TexA&M is paying him $7M per year until 2031? I don't know what Fisher wants, but I could imagine a person in
his scenario may just want to coach at a place like WVU where he can essentially run the AD and live like a king. Being the the big fish in the little pond is good gig, especially when there is no need to chase dollars. And he can probably consistently win 8-10 games a year and has an offense that scores 40 a game in the Big12.
Get one of the donors to ante up a mansion at Cheat Lake and get helicoptered in to work each day
Remember how demand Jimbo was of the FSU administration? It will be the same thing at WVU. I'd be shocked to see him go there.
Paying for Huggy Bear's bar tabs and legal fees will get after ya.
WV native here - the state of the public universities in WV is absolutely deplorable from a budget standpoint. The legislature there hasn't really managed the higher education system well for a long time but more recently they are facing a cratering state budget that's being multiplied by cronyism and mismanagement that's impressive even given the history of cronyism and mismanagement that defines WV politics. It's bad bad.
To add to this as some ones whose parents are retired professors from a WV university and have seen 2nd hand what's happened (also more friends and family working for higher education in WV). WVU has been mismanaged since Hadesty left as president. Hiring Gordon Gee has to be the worst decision possible. He has had two votes of no confidence against him and is still president some how (assuming mention above cronyism). But that was just a WVU issue, most of the public universities have absolutely terrible president's. Fairmont State was a really good place to cheaply get a teaching degree or physical therapy degree. They had a good number of programs that produced for them. They have been ignoring those to become like Marshall or WVU which there isn't ROI in that, there aren't enough students to support that. A number of colleges have closed in the past 5-10 years.
Their teaching program has been cut to shreds.
Marshall is the only one doing okay because they have state backing that want it to be the premiere university in WV. But even it doesn't have great leadership.
One interesting note is that if high schools need something then parents and teachers can go and complain the the state government and file complaints or attempt to pass bills At the universities the professors, being state employees, can't do any of that and the parents are mostly out of the picture. The students are to busy learning to be adults, going to classes, and partying. So there is no one advocating for universities.
*too
Good friends of mine were in the same law firm as Hardesty. Absolutely correct that David was the last pro they had running that place. It's been a shower of incompetence ever since and Gordon fucking Gee is the turd sundae topper.
On if my very close friend's parents grew up with him and are friends. And my parents knew him, not as well, but my mother grew up in the same county as he and his sister and knew the whole family. He is just a class act.
Sounds familiar. Everyone is broke except for Kentucky - who backed a brinks truck up for our womens coach, and Florida State that just gave a P4 headcoach a raise to be their OC.
WVU is a special kind of broke.
The decision Rutgers and Maryland made- meh programs at best- to go to the B1G was the smartest two moves in athletics history. $$$$$$$$$
I wonder what Neil Fucking Brown about to be fired two best wins were? hmmm.
H.O.K.I.E.S...Hokies
Since 1950..ECU footballs biggest accomplishments? Beat VT a few times. There is your list.
Its been almost 10 years and I'm still in disbelief that they fired Ruffin McNeil, he was probably as good as that program was ever going to have and could find his way to 8 wins just about every year which apparently wasn't good enough for a school like ECU with such staggeringly large football accomplishments.
They did Ruffin dirty, man. They deserve to be a crap team for a long time
Wonder if he'd be interested in leaving that NCState position for a similar position at VT, not sure I'd want to make him a coordinator but he certainly has the head coaching experience and enough defensive experience to be a great advisory addition.
Im sure he's a fine man and coach but unless VT aims higher than a winding down his career ruffin mcneil, we are going to continue to lose 6 games a year.
I think finding someone with HC experience that's winding down their coaching career is exactly the addition we'd need to make for an advisory roll.
You got to give him credit for getting Terry Williams- who a good VT team could not block at all, so they beat us. Props to him for having one player that could wreck VT's season. Hat Tip. Conference USA had no issues blocking Williams in other games if you were wondering.
Hard to believe they had Lincoln Riley on staff too
I put Ruffin in the same camp as Ralph Friedgen.
Extra large?
Didn't Houston coach at JMU?
Oh man. He's done really well. Sorry to see him go if he leaves. And Rice is such a doormat. Yeah, I know, money talks and I'm sure he will get a lot more there than in New Haven.
Not so fast my friend.
Good news for me at least.
Dang! Not Coach Abell! Davidson is less than 15 minutes from my house. They're my favorite FCS team!
nothing substantial or reputable, but a whole lotta chatter going around that Mack Brown will be forced out at UNC
What a melodrama his whole season has been. He just told media yesterday he intended to stay after supposedly saying he would step down after JMU.
Delly is the biggest name I've seen, so that's definitely more traction than anything I'd seen when i commented
It makes me so fricken happy to see a tweet from the official UNC athletic account post a photo with maybe 50% capacity in their football stadium. They're announcing their HOF HC is retiring and they can't even find a photo with fans in the stadium. What an absolutely embarrassing trashheap of a football "fandom".
I say this with as much vitriol as I can possibly convey: Absolutely F*&K the Tarholes.
Vannini reporting it too.
Not surprising, and maybe they want to snipe an up-and-coming, defensive-minded coordinator with several years of experience at the ACC level from an old Coastal competitor...
#Marve2UNC
Noooo don't steal him. Please, nooo. It'd be a real shame. A real shame.
Just watched this the other night!
Also rumors that Scott Satterfield is the lead candidate to replace him? Wow.
That is certainly a choice. 25-24 at Louisville and currently 8-15 at Cincy.
We can only hope. So far he has been a dumpster fire with slight year over year improvement at Cincinnati. His recruiting ties to NC are strong though from his years at App St.
i never read his name without immediately thinking "Satt Scotterfield"
After this weekend, Mack Brown wraps up a storied 40 year coaching career where he netted 2 conference titles
And 1 national title, which begs the question, how many of our conference titles over the past 30 years would we give up if just one of them resulted in a national title?
Frank Beamer > Mack Brown always
If Beamer had left VT for a big name SEC school, or a school like Texas back in the Big 12 days, with those resources I think he woulda had multiple Natty's.
The only people that bring up conference titles are color commentators looking for something to say on the broadcast, conference shills, Internet posters, and schools without a national title on the recruiting trail. I'd trade all of ours for a national title.
So they forced Mack out? A few weeks ago he said he had 3-5 more years left in him at UNC
He gets his buyout this way. He doesn't actually want to coach anymore, but they have to fire him.
They should've just let him quit after the JMU game. Oh well.
Anything that costs unc more money is fine by me
They owe him 15 million by firing him.
Gonna miss him; here's to you mr. Bad Football coach Sack Brown
Kyle Whittingham evaluating things after the season is over per his Monday presser conference.
https://sports.yahoo.com/longtime-utah-football-coach-kyle-whittingham-u...
Norfolk State is "reassigning" head coach Dawson Odoms.
I think this is just fans reading too much into things, but some eyebrow raising language from Feldman about Moorhead 'closing things out with the Zips'.
Time is valuable and we basically know Pry won't work out next year. The one thing he has going for him is a pretty good recruiting class coming in, that we don't want to screw up before signing day...
I'm more and more of the opinion we should just plan to fire him after the game regardless of outcome and get Schumann. He would probably be able to keep this class together, and maybe even add a couple more pieces. (I'm sure Clatterbaugh for example would love to play for the current Georgia DC). At the very least I would be talking to Schumann to gauge interest, if he wanted the job I think we should pull the trigger
I don't HATE this idea, but I do think it's worth giving Pry a chance this off-season. I really believe that he can save his job by hiring a new DC. If he doesn't make any significant staff changes in this off-season then he's basically betting on himself (and his staff) to be considerably better next year with, in all likelihood, less talent to work with and I think we all know that's not going to work out. My thought is this: give Pry a chance to course correct this off-season by making substantial staff changes - if he doesn't, then plan to fire him this time next year and work in the background to secure interest from a few candidates so we can make the move swiftly.
TL;DR - I think it's too early to fire Pry this year. IF he doesn't make any significant staff changes this off-season, then plan to fire him by this time next year and make sure you have a replacement lined up so we have a new HC in place by Christmas in 2025.
Not a bad Christmas present....
I agree Marve is the worse of the two coordinators, but he was hand picked to run Pry's defensive scheme. If Pry fires him he'll either bring someone else in to run his exact same scheme (which seems unlikely) or he'll change schemes and hire someone to run something different (seems even less likely).
I think we're most likely to see staff changes on the offensive side of the ball. And maybe position coach changes on the defense. And as I've said before Galt absolutely has to go, I won't take Pry seriously if he doesn't make a change there.
Also while I get your reasoning of giving him time you also have to see that the roster will be worse next year. Hiring a new offensive staff and especially new OL coach will set the group back for a bit. Same with running a new defensive scheme. Then if it doesn't work out they bottom out and the team gets raided in the portal, and year 1 of the new rebuild in 2025 is a wasted year.
This can be avoided by the quick change, get Schumann in and he can likely keep most of the guys on the roster and this recruiting class, then add some of his own. He's one of Georgia's best recruiters. You skip the bottoming out and rebuild and go straight to seeing if the new guy can coach
yes, it's one reason I don't have high hopes for Pry, even if he does hire someone else. But I think it's important for a HC to be able to identify underperforming coaches and make moves to replace them. Fuente couldn't do it. If Pry can at least show that he's able and willing to make necessary changes that's a plus for me. His hiring record ain't great though, lets be honest. So if he does fire Marve (huge plus) the replacement is going to be the make-or-break decision for Pry and his HC career. Which leads to....
1. I don't know that there's really anyone else Pry could bring in to run the same scheme so if he's going to make this change I think he has to hire someone who will run a different scheme (agreed, seems unlikely)
2. If he does, we, the fans, need to give that guy some time. If Pry fires Marve and brings in another coach he buys himself a couple more years because, especially assuming a new scheme, that new coach will need time to coach up and bring in players who can execute his scheme. I wouldn't expect immediate results but hopefully the defense shows some growth and by the end of year 2 we can feel good about where it is headed. The defense is in pretty bad shape, so a good coach should be able to get more out of the current players, even in a different scheme. I think if Pry makes a good hire we'll see that relatively quickly (by end of year 1) but it'll take a couple years to get to where we want it.
We could definitely use some upgrades on offense but I just don't buy that the offense is the biggest problem with our team. I think if Pry decides to leave his defense mostly as-is and change the offense that would be a HUGE gamble. It doesn't make sense to me to change the one unit that has been improving. Could the offense be better? Absolutely. Is Bowen a rockstar OC? No. But he's serviceable and he's gotten more out of the offense than Marve has gotten out of the defense. Dressing a cut on your right hand while your left hand his broken tells me your priorities aren't in order. Fix the biggest problem first.
It's interesting that you bring up this logic because I think it's higher risk to try fixing both units simultaneously. We know what we've got with Bowen. It's not great but it's not bad either. He can manufacture some points. He could use a new OL coach, and the maybe an upgrade at WR too. But to assume that a new OC could come in and do a substantially better job is bold, IMO. We know the offense is serviceable. We know the defense couldn't stop a fly stuck in a web. The defense needs to be overhauled. Why overhaul the offense too? Having two units in complete upheaval at the same time is going to be a disaster and there's no guarantee that a new HC would be able to fix both offense and defense at the same time.
So, I pretty flatly disagree with your thesis. Schumann coming in would mean new coaches across the board which likely means huge steps backwards for both offense and defense. I don't think that is better than taking a big step backwards on defense for a year while the offense continues to improve. Add in the fact there is no guarantee that Schumann would be able to bring in better DCs or OCs than we currently have and I just don't see how moving off Pry now helps us. This all assumes that Pry will make changes. If he doesn't then of course we need to fire him ASAP
That's not necessarily true, we have good talent on the roster, far more than any typical first year head coach has. And if there is regression bringing in a new staff, that's something that has to happen anyways if Pry doesn't work out. No guarantees Schumann would bring better coordinators, but if he brings in some with experience, there's a very good chance they will be.
Also I'm not advocating for an OC change. I said Marve is worse. Changing the offensive staff would be a waste of time imo. But hiring a real QB coach is imperative and no that doesn't just mean changing Brian Christ's title and paying him more money
make up your mind. Do we have good talent next year or not?
I don't hate the idea of hiring a new coach NOW. And we obviously agree that Marve is the worse of the two coordinators. I just don't buy that hiring Schumann, who has no HC experience that I know of, would be better than Pry firing Marve and hiring a new DC. Is there a chance that it's better to just replace Pry now instead of giving him the chance to hire a new DC (who might also not work out)? Yeah, I'll concede that. From a risk standpoint, however, I think it's a bigger risk to replace the entire coaching staff at this stage. We know what we've got with Bowen. It's fine. Not great. Fine. Leave that in place, let him continue to grow into the role, and at least you know your offense will be serviceable. In the meantime, overhaul the defense. If you're lucky and hire a great DC the defense gets back to something resembling a P4 defense within a couple years and then you can reevaluate Bowen. If his offense is still failing to wake up until October by then, then I think you get yourself a new OC. This whole idea is based on the assumption that Pry actually makes a change, of course.
I'm out on Pry, essentially. I don't think he's got what it takes. But I'll give him a chance to win me back if he fires Marve in a week.
It would be expensive to fire Pry now and if he's planning on making a change to his staff anyway, just let that play out, IMO.
You're missing the very next sentence, it's good compared to what a first year coach normally has. The roster undoubtedly regressed from this year, but there is still talent there. I have no faith in PRY to improve off 6-6 with next year's roster, but another staff with more experienced coaches? I give them a shot yeah.
I get that Schumann has no hc experience, but that's the new norm on coaching hires, there's not a lot of great options for coaches with hc experience. And if there is they'll go to top programs. Schumann has learned under Nick Saban and Kirby Smart. Pry learned under James Franklin. If you ask me whether I'd rather our program be modeled like a Georgia or Alabama or Penn State I'd take Georgia and Bama by a lot. They get top talent yes but I also believe they get the most out of that talent. Penn State has not a dissimilar level of players and they are never close to the level of the other two. To me it makes sense. No hire is ever a guarantee but I see evidence pointing toward Schumann as likely success and potentially a very high ceiling
Schumann Has spent his entire career at two monied programs: UGA and Bama. What makes you think he can coach at program where landing 5-star athletes isn't a given?
I agree there's no way of knowing. But we have the same amount of evidence he can as Pry can. Schumann's defenses at Georgia have been better than Pry's at Penn State and he actually has to face good offenses whereas the Big 10 you kind of get to stat pad against bad offenses.
Another big advantage I could see with Schumann is being able to hire experienced coordinators, that could be something him and Whit go over before he gets the job. Working at the highest level gives him access to the best candidate pool in CFB for assistants which hopefully he would choose from rather than hiring his buddies like Pry did. And he actually has coached for teams with a good offense at Georgia so he knows what that looks like. Penn State's offense was never any good while Pry was there.
Also he knows the CEO part of the job, he was Alabama's director of football operations in 2014 and 15, when they were #1 seed in the playoff (14) and won the title (15). Working with Saban and Smart's staff (and being a top achiever on those staffs) makes him a much more qualified candidate than Pry imo.
Also rumors are he's a motivated up and comer who will be one of the top coaches in the sport eventually. Obviously up to any search committee to decide if that's true.
If you're the AD I think it's a no brainer to at least consider this opportunity and give him a call to see if he's interested.
I - literally - was about to ask, is there any reason to think he would want to come here? There might be, I do not know. But with his background, I'm not sure he would want to take over a mid-level, at best, ACC program.
Not not that, but would he want to leave the SEC/deepsouth?
This is a better question. My whole thing is if I'm the AD I'll call and find out
ADs directly make coordinator staffing decisions now?Sigh i need a good night's sleep and a turkey leg. Misread this entirely
Yes absolutely high P5 coordinators are looking for P5 jobs. In fact up until recently many would take G5 jobs, see Lane Kiffin to FAU.
This isn't true, resources wise we're 5th in the ACC at worst. Brand wise we're 6th. Losing some games doesn't change that. Also the fan support staying the same and 3rd in the conference doesn't hurt anything either.
Then why is Pry outside the top 50 in pay? Why is he outside the top 9 in the ACC? Our highest paid coordinator is making less than 10 other coaches that we know of just from public schools minus Pitt. Our total assistant pool puts us below NCST, FSU, UNC, Clemson, likely Miami and Pitt.
Because the market got reset like 2 months after we hired him, if not even quicker. It was all more competitive at the time. I'm not sure how we're supposed to account for that, anticipatorially overpaying someone is never gonna be a thing VT does.
It's a reasonable question. One thing I think could help is to benchmark our salaries nationally instead of with the conference.
Of course, the problem is much easier if the coaches just win.
I mean, maybe, but that feels like it would just be kicking the can marginally further down the road.
Sure but first can we pay better than UVA? We don't even pay the best in the state.
Couple of head coach jobs
Didnt realize Fresno State was an interim head coach but would expect Tim Skipper to get the job as the interim. He has been named conference coach of week multiple times and has thrm bowl eligible.
Utah State has put head coach Blake Anderson on administrative leave and he is not expected to return
Thanks for adding those, I didn't know what to do with those since they have had interim coaches all year.
UNC reached out to Arthur Smith, OC of the Steelers and former Falcons head coach, about their opening
Would be an annoyingly good hire for them if they pulled it off. He was a OL for them from 2001-2005
He hasn't coached college ball since 2010. I think it'll really depend on the staff he puts together and if he has a good grasp on the differences in coaching the two levels.
Having a legit NFL pedigree only helps with recruiting, we've seen it all the time. It would make it even that much harder to gain any kind of legitimate foothold in recruiting going forward, especially with the mess we currently have.
Smith says he is happy in Pittsburgh.
On Sirius, Neuheisel pointed out that Arthur Smith's dad is Fred Smith, founder of FedEx.
One would imagine he would be likely to make a sizeable NIL contribution to aid his son's efforts.
Modern college football: if you can't beat 'em, just find a rich guy to help you buy some players...love it
We should just go ahead and sell the athletic department to some rich Saudi schmuck to put his billions into as a plaything just like every other global sport seems to be doing nowadays. We're probably going to end up there anyway, just get ahead of the game
I said it in the other games thread
but man
Gundy's seat has got to be smoking.
Winless in conference play.
Ending the season laying an egg.
3-9 to end the year, where coming in they were favored to be conference champs.
Returned a fuck ton of starters
... Gundy did have some NIL issues coming into the year too.
What's the play here
He's won at least 7 games every season other than his first one there. He told the media after last week's loss that he wasn't going anywhere but that didn't work out to well for Mack Brown. This is a big letdown for them so you have to think that he's on the hot seat especially after today's beating.
T. Boone would like a word.
Going to be hard for him to have that conversation now....
Never underestimate the power of oil tycoons.
"I had a seance with T Boone and he said all y'all trying to fire me are crap. Come after me! I'm a medium!!" is totally a Mike Gundy thing that has a 90% chance of happening in a nursing home near Stillwater at some point.
"I'm a medium, I'm 90" as he tries to keep his dentures from falling out
Wow, didn't have this on my bingo card.
Wow. I expected some MAC and Funbelt head coaches to get coordinator roles, but I didn't think it would happen to a B12 team.
Mahlzahn was persona non-grata in Orlando.
They still view themselves as "National Champs".
His offense was slow and plodding compared to Frost and Heupel before him.
He was gonna be fired...this decision had been made several weeks ago.
So he resigned instead of collecting his buyout 🤔
He's got the best job in sports- fired Auburn HC. He's still collecting checks from them, so he doesn't need to worry about money.
I'm sure that's the case, but it still doesn't make sense to miss out on another buyout.
That's a bold statement to make in regards to someone else's paychecks
Purdue is getting us started post rivalry week.
Walters be a home run hire to replace Marve. I know nothing about his scheme, but his past defenses were insanely good.
Second this.
He may not run Pry's system but who cares.
so glad we could give him one fifth of his wins
Lol kill me
Neal Brown is done at WVU.
Freddie Kitchens is UNC interim HC for the bowl.
Kennesaw State hired Jerry Mack away from the jaguars.
Good hire by Temple IMO. It'll be interesting to see if Keeler keeps Corn on staff.
Edit: McMurphy is reporting Corny will be the interim HC for the bowl. 😬
Good thing no one in Philly cares about Temple football, otherwise Corn wouldn't last a week there...
Most of the Temple grads I know want them to fold the program. They probably prefer Corn getting hired on.
Having worked 10+ years in Center City Philadelphia (and even longer in suburbs north of Philly) I can 100% confirm that almost no one here cares about Temple football - including most Temple alumni.
Corny being left to coach the bowl as interim kinda makes me think Keeler is not interested in bringing him to Temple.
Sort of a pat on the head and move on. Give the guy some rope and let him hang himself kinda move imo.
You know Corny is already updating his resume to add in:
Head Coach, Sam Houston State, December 2, 2024 - December 19, 2024
With a Corny offense ranked LOL 159th, would you?
Wonder how Keller managed a 9-3 record at SHS (defense ranked 80th) - Massey rankings.
Shawn Clark Out at App State
As a App State Alum, this was definitely needed as the program has gone downhill the past few seasons. Good to see them be proactive
Texas Tech has now lost both of its coordinators.
Oklahoma hiring Washington States Ben Arbuckle as new Offensive Coordinator
Huff definitely not leaving Marshall... This week.
What a weird career move to go from a first place team to a last place team... in the same mid-major conference.
Per SZD, things are *bad* in Huntington. Huff hates them, they hate Huff.
It's hilarious that despite all that he's been successful.
Huff officially hired by Southern Miss. Winning the conference did nothing to change the ADs mind.
I'm shocked. Shocked! Well, not that shocked.
Michigan fires OC Kirk Campbell.
I can't see him ever recruiting... But the fistful of SB rings is a pretty powerful statement.
Recruiting? Isn't that just him using a program to auto text recruits "You want to play for the best fuckimg coach in the whole world or some 2nd tier coach? I taught Saban everything he knows."
Hm. His girlfriend must be enrolling there.
Lol! Leg.
Yeah, alright. These rumor mill interview/tweets get so exhausting.
The guys 72 and the most successful coach in the NFL with 0 years of college experience as anything. He's not going to coach in college let alone at UNC.
He did actually interview though, it's not just his agent doing PR nonsense. I don't think he's actually going to get hired there, but it's UNCheat, so who knows.
I mean even UNC insiders are saying his lack of collegiate experience and his age are reasons why UNC probably wouldn't hire him, regardless of his intentions.
But the radio guys are thinking he is doing his agent or friend a favor by propping up UNC by making them look more intriguing than they are. Or possibly to put pressure on NFL teams to show them he has options.
They should just hire Chadwell. That makes too much sense for them though. I just feel like they're going to overthink things and make a hire like this Belichick one.
The insider scoop from Chadwell last go around was that he was allegedly "too redneck" for a lot of major university jobs lol. I can't imagine UNC going that direction if that's the case.
I think if they went over to Winston Salem and snatched up Dave Clawson that would be a really interesting fit with a higher recruiting/talent floor than what he can pull at Wake. I also think an experienced coordinator like Al Golden (has done a tremendous job at ND) would make some sense too. Also has NFL and HC experience. Maybe they also take a shot at a young up and comer type like Glenn Schumann at UGa. He's going to be rumored to be in the mix for a lot of openings probably.
Yea lol, I can't see Chadwell at UNC. WVU? Absolutely.
I feel like that would be an absolute home run for them lol.
Chadwell is on the radar if we do move on from Pry
No sauces, but cmon
Seriously sign me up.
He should've been on our radar in 2022, because he was on mine.
I thought Chadwell was intriguing last go around, but my main concern was that it was eerily similar to Fuente in some ways (offensive guru, great G5 success but no P5 experience, no P5 recruiting pedigree). I've completely changed my perspective on my ideal coach for VT now. I think P4 experience is nice but not necessary, recruiting at a big P2 program is different than VT anyway (those schools sell themselves regardless of coach), and I want a really good, innovative football coach first and foremost. Fu was all caught up in the coach-first mentality but didn't have a good recruiting plan and hated the public facing parts of the job. I feel like with Pry we went way too far the other direction - extroverted personality and loves to talk and pump up the fan base, but way outclassed in coaching. I think Chadwell would be an interesting blend of personality for VT but also a dynamic coach.
Meh he regressed this season and lost to some pretty bad CUSA teams and played no P5 teams again is he doing well there?
He's losing bc his defense sucks. If he wants a mid-tier P4 job like VT, he needs to hire an experienced DC.
Chadwell is no better than Fuente. I put ZERO stock into Liberty coaches. None. They pay players from a war chest that can't get into real schools. Zero stock into their coaches.
My judgement of chadwell comes more from his time at Coastal Carolina, not liberty.
What does how/how much a school paye a coach have to do with his coaching ability?
I keep forgetting that job is open. I feel like Brown was on thin ice for so long.
Yeah I've read that here about Chadwell and it always makes me giggle. "He sucks during interviews" and that he's too redneck. I wish there was secret camera footage in one of these AD offices during one of his interviews. What, does he bang through the doors and swag walk in, decked out In overalls, with a piece of straw in his mouth?
Sounds like he could get involved in our agriculture department so maybe it's worth a shot!
It's a bit more Mike-gundy-esk from what I understand. Wearing an 'I Piss Teal' t-shirt to a donor event in Myrtle Beach is one thing, but it's not going to help fundraising if he were to wear something similar to the Blacksburg country club, or to visit a player at DaMatha.
Based on recent events, maybe he can get the OKST job.
Chadwell is so fucking overrated.
Like I said, perfect fit for UNC.
It would be funny to replace the 73 year old coach with a coach that's only 8 months younger.
This aged poorly
I think this experiment might be funny. Young men may commit based on his coaching accolades, but when they see how he runs a no fun all business operation they'll be running for the portal.
Also he doesn't seem to have the magic touch anymore
I think it'll be similar to Return of the Mack with a higher ceiling the first year. He's going to get recruits and he's going to out coach everyone in the ACC, but everyone is going to transfer out after year one because he's miserable to be around. Maybe he only plans to do it for a year or two and hand it off to his son so it'll work out for him, but long-term I don't think this will elevate UNC football.
So did Mack and Belichick
Correct but all the headlines in this coaching cycle look made up.
Rich Rod hired at WVU
Belichick hired at UNC
I'll be okay saying that I'm sane enough that I didn't think these things would happen
I was saying a few days ago that for what this coaching cycle has lacked in shear numbers it has more than made up for in absurdity.
You got the right reply BTW
All out of sorts
Confirmed by WRAL, 247 and Inside Carolina
Eric Bienemy out as UCLA OC.
Bienemy says it always was the plan to coach for a year and return to NFL in 2025.
He says that but his performance would have gotten him canned so walking away is less embarrassing. 123rd of 135 in scoring....at a P2 school.
But the reason he is not an NFL HEAD COACH is racism... right.
Then why did he sign a multi year contract...
Replaced by Tino Sunseri. Time to see if Cignetti was worth that big extension.
Bronco is supposedly going to Utah State after just one season at NM. His OC is expected to get hired by Utah.
Bronco has also stated that he plans to bring Utah State's live mascot back. (Pet Sematary style /s)
Bronco can coach... granted I lost a little respect for him throwing it to a tackle to try to beat VT- UVAs rival. That was one of the more clown coaching calls I can remember.
To be fair, something about being UVa makes someone real stupid when they're facing a Hokie in competition
I appreciate the inset photo with the "Oh Lord what have I done?" expression on his face.
His first request of said reanimated blue bull corpse? Roll around in the grass so he can film it.
Utah St. has a mascot?
Not currently, that's what Bronco wants to change. They had Gus.
Speaking of mascots, Bevo has been banned from being at the SEC Championship game as well as any CFP games.
Gus looks sad, they must have lost that game...
They painted him blue. Set him up for that reaction.
I feel like this would be like when Saban tried the NFL, just reversed
(yes, I know I'm late)
The good news: He will beat shit teams I hate like Pitt , NC State and Syracuse like a fucking drum. Bad News: he will also beat VT like a drum
Curious, Syracuse is 9-3 and ranked. Does a team need to be in the top 10 to not be a shit team?
I was referring to when McNabb left until a month ago.... They were total shit for most of that period.
Got it. That is fair that they certainly have not been that good much of that time.
Never forget that Greg Paulus was teabagged by Hokies basketball AND football.
Basically since Paul Pass-da-bologna stopped coaching there till now. Hated that guy.
I think this will be a disaster, just because I can't see Belichick dealing with NIL/families/recruiting. However, if he hires a staff that's good at those things I could see a two year period where he coaches circles around the rest of the ACC.
I agree. Belichick has (since 1975 according to wiki) been associated with professional football where grown men are paid to do their job. He is ill suited (imo) to having to deal with recruiting and the transfer portal with the associated ass kissing and lying that entails. Well he may be ok (again imo) at the lying part but will be terrible at the ass kissing part.
This is the most logical take on this. Pro task master, his way or the highway guy who can cut players the night before a super bowl if he wants trying to navigate the NIL world and recruiting not only HS players but his own every year. On face value, I don't see it. OTOH, there is not a better football coach alive in terms of X and O's, game management, etc. He won 7 super bowls as a head coach- he knows how to coach football and prepare his team. I think his sell would be - come play for me, I know how and what it takes to get you to the NFL. And on defense you will learn from the best that ever did it. That could sway some kids for sure. And with even a serviceable roster, nobody in the history of the game is better than taking away what you do best - so if you are a running team, you are going to have to pass to beat Bellichick... I think he would win for sure.
I don't even care if this will be horrible for Virginia Tech or great for Virginia Tech. I really want it to happen just to see it happen.
For the record I think Belichick is simultaneously the greatest football coach of all time, and also will fail at UNC.
For what it's worth, I think Belichick is a piece of shit and hope he fails miserably
I could totally see Belichick take the job, then walk in and start having to kiss some 4 and 5 stars asses to get there and just be like "Nevermind..." and turn around and walk out the door.
That or he'd be like someone mentioned above..."You see my resume? You want to work with me? No? I don't care. Next!"
Word is he's their top option right now
Word is he is getting it written in his contract that his son is his designated successor after 4 years. If UNC doesn't hire him, his son will get a huge payout.
Yeah saw that. His son might actually be a really good college DC
Update on OkST. Could get interesting with Gundy, doesn't seem like the type to take this without putting up a fight.
Seems like his 8th year QB would be ripe for the taking... go get him Pry. A lot of experience.
If OKSt really thinks they are going to do significantly better than Gundy, more power to them.
This year was a disaster, sure, but he has fielded consistently solid teams in a region where he is totally dwarfed in terms of resources and cache by most of his regional competitors.
He has hired a multitude of assistants that have been picked up and advanced in the coaching world.
Honestly, he has exactly the type of resume of someone who could be successful in Blacksburg.
This is a total pipedream, but if OkSt really does part with him, VT Admin should fire Pry that night and scrape every donor dollar together they could find to make Gundy an offer.
Not sure but isn't this pretty much his worse year in 20 years of coaching there? I guess it is about what have you done for me lately.
Obi Wan meme . GIF
He got fired from Baylor right?
Yes but was a Broyles award finalist in 2020 at BYU and 2021 at Baylor. Broyles Award is for nations top assistant coach.
Yes, both Kansas and Baylor fans seem to hate him.
where he'll stay for 2 years
RichRod interviewing for WVU. Oh god please let that happen. Will be high entertainment.
OMG, this is glorious.
rich rod... this gif..
holy shit, it's been SOOOOO long...
You're getting old and slow Fireman. People are stealing your mojo my man.
thefutureisnowoldman.gif
lol. Yeah since nobody left WVU hanging in the big 12 as the conference was dying, rich rods little us against the world bullshit won't work there this time. Also 90% of college teams run the zone read now. His little wvu magic is long gone and will never be duplicated there. He sucked at Michigan and ran a whore house in his office in Arizona. Why anyone would hire him is beyond me.
Looks like UCF is rehiring Scott Frost. Will be interesting to see if they can recapture the Magic they had his first go 'round.
This is interesting. It has the feel of getting back together with your college girlfriend in your 30's to try and find your mojo and wild side again after she dumped you for a more successful guy at graduation only for him to dump her later.
Ohio's celebration for winning the MAC Championship today just got buzz killed. Tim Albin is leaving to become the HC at Charlotte.
Now that we have quite a few hires made I went ahead and fixed the coach-centric pivot table:
Think he can afford that QB with some B10 $?
That would be something
Interesting. I feel like the only coaches who have done remotely well at Purdue are offensive coaches. But I think Odom is good coach so maybe he succeeds 🤷♂️
Tulsa hires ETSU coach Tre Lamb
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42861981/tulsa-hires-tr...
So.... this actually might happen
Setting his son up for generational wealth. Son will be HC in waiting.
The HIC waiting thing has literally never worked, not once. It didn't work with Muschamp/Mack Brown, it didn't work with Friedgen/Franklin, it's never worked. So let's do that again.
Hey, if it means after four years of dad, UNC has to cut his son a big check, I am fine with them doing it. Only question I have is will Bill have replicas of all his Super Bowl trophies as his office backdrop?
I hope it happens. We don't play them until 2027- so for 2 seasons I get to laugh at him beating the shit out of ACC programs I hate.
Jmbo won a title, you can argue that they pushed Bowden out but the HC in waiting win big.
I don't understand this at all.
He's going to hate recruiting & NIL.
You act as if he'll have to try.
He will have players from all over the country lining up to play for him. He'll get to pick and choose his roster and UNC will absolutely pay for him to do whatever he wants.
I personally think this is a massive publicity stunt and coordinated by both Belichick and UNC. No way this dude is going to actually want to deal with 18-22 year olds and all that college coaching entails.
Correct- players play in the SEC because they want to go to the NFL. This is the best NFL coach in history and the greatest defensive mind in history. That is a big time selling point to the very top players.
His name will do most of the recruiting. They'll pay someone else to do the rest.
They've found a way to make college football even more un-enjoyable
RichRod to be the next WVU head coach, announcement tomorrow
Fucking hilarious that they think he can still coach and that it will work this time. Lololol.
A truly beautiful
dumpstercouch fireAm here for all of it...with 🍿
His first run there has proved to be the exception, not the rule - Look at how he did and Michigan and Arizona (one good season) then total dumpster. Fuck Rich Rod, they will finish 8th in the big 12 every year.
It will be glorious.
I have little pity for misery in Morgantown. My classmates didn't appreciate my selecting Virginia Tech over WVU and were vocal about it so now I enjoy the chaos there immensely.
Apparently Bill Belicheck gave UNC a 400 page organizational bible that if they agree to would make him the next head coach.
JFC
How credible is Ollie?
I'm not sure but there are a number of national accounts running with this....though he's the only one credited with any actual source information which is fishy.
Yeah, I saw the Ollie tweet earlier, but others more recent saying nothing had been agreed to...but now, like 15 minutes later looks like everyone is running with it
Super
If he is this rigid, there's no way he survives coaching greedy 18-year-olds.....
He can try to control UNC, but they don't control the system.
- some dude on reddit
I dunno, could just be a knee jerk reaction based off what the little I've read so far, but... if the school, investors, donors/whoever buys in...is it really that a bad of an idea? It sounds like UNC is about to take football a whole lot more serious, which could be a huge problem for teams like... *checks list* us.
Lost in all this... Bellichick is 15 NFL victories away from breaking Don Shula's record- a record he really wants to break - in other words realistically 2 seasons. Why doesn't he just take an NFL job- the Bears, Jets, Giants, raiders- at minimum will be open. Falcons, Bucs, Jacksonville could be open.
It's a retirement job. UNC will likely pay more than the NFL and he's trying to line his son up as coach in waiting.
That's the only thing that makes sense to me other than this being a PR stunt.
I'm 50% on the side that this is simply a publicity issue to try and pressure some NFL teams into making a move...i.e. everyone in Jax is apoplectic that Pederson hasn't been fired.
Versus 50% he sees it as a good retirement job and a way to set his son up for the future.
I still think there's little chance that this actually comes to an agreement, but if it does it will be fascinating at the very least.
Some reports have made it clear that as part of his contract his son would be HC in waiting at UNC which wouldn't fly as easily at a lot of NFL front offices.
Can't fly in any NFL office as it would violate the Rooney Rule.
Sounds like he's bombing interviews and no one wants to hire him.
If I'm UNC I do it. Fuck it
Yea please, bankrupt the athletic department for a sport the fans don't care about.
It's a win win for us really. If they're good it's good for the ACC and adds another quality opponent. If they're bad it's hilarious and they just wasted a ton of money
Precisely...and if it doesn't pan out, well, blame Bill!
You don't think UNC can afford this?!?
Lol bless your heart. That school is made of money. They're gonna get the Jordan brand to pay for everything, they're East Coast Nike.
UNC's total NIL for football was about $4m. They have a pretty big funding gap to cross to meet Bill's (alleged) demands.
they've committed to a 20mil NIL budget
And $30M for their head coach
10mil more than Andy Reid. Belichick is cashing out and having UNC pay others to do all the shit he doesn't want to at the college level.
Nobody never said he wasn't a smart man.
I've heard of double negatives. This is a rare triple negative.
UNC athletics brought in $24m in donations last fiscal year. Less than VT.
That escalated quickly dot gif
They have the UNC brand which we don't. That school could be complete butt but people will love the UNC basketball brand. It's like a North Carolinian religion.
For rural folks in southern, particularly southwestern NC yes. And Chapel Hill out towards Greensboro as well. This is where most of the Wal Mart fans live. Raleigh (NC State), Eastern NC (ECU), Winston Salem (Virginia Tech), and the mountains (App) are all split with Carolina being the 2nd or 3rd most popular team.
For those hoping Todd Grantham would be our next DC looks like he just took the DC job at Ok St.
I don't think any of us want a DC that blitzes every 3rd down no matter what and often gives up huge yardage because of that.
We'd rather stick with the guy that gives up huge yardage on every down the second half of the game.
Alright Frank, come out of retirement for one last go...
...football deflator
Seems to me we're doing some parts shopping, and this is certainly one place to look (carefully).
Clawson stepped down at WF
He will never come out and say it but the NIL/Portal was 100% the cause of this.
The type of Program Clawson ran effectively simply doesn't work in today's "system" (if you can call money-chasing chaos a system).
It's sad...we are losing good coaches and trading them for 22 year-old slimy "NIL agents."
Wish him the best. He did a very good job at a place that is going to be hard to win at football even under the best of times. With the junk we have now, forget it.
I wonder if any of these coaches will want to drop a level or two and actually coach where the players just want to play and know they won't make bags of money.
Ehhh I'd rephrase this - my guess Clawson isn't necessarily stepping down because he doesn't want to deal with NIL/Portal... Clawson is stepping down because Wake Forrest doesn't want to invest in NIL/Portal.
Dude is back coaching in less than 2 season. Bet.
While he didn't say "I quit because of NIL," this paints a pretty clear picture. Also, resigning to take an advisory role with the same institution that won't invest in NIL the way you think they should is an odd way to start a job search.
Keeps the money coming in while he decides what to do next and probably with very few actual duties.
Possibly...maybe lets him side-step Buyout language in the Contract but I don't know why WF would be that generous, knowing they need to hire another coach.
Jake Dickert is the new Wake Forest head coach. He was hired away from Washington State so that job is now open.
Sad times for Wazzu when Wake is considered an upgrade...
Until the Pac 2 + questions are settled it puts them in G5.
Brian Smith, Ohio OC was promoted to Ohio HC
Phil Longo was hired to be Sam Houston State HC after being fired as OC for Wisconsin.
You're killing it. Thanks for updating the spreadsheet.
I suppose that means Corny is back on the job hunt
Jason Eck was hired as New Mexico HC after being HC at FCS Idaho.
Purdue big dogging USC to hire away their OC Josh Henson in a lateral move.
Phrases I never thought I'd hear in my lifetime
Yeah and it doesn't even matter which USC you're talking about.
Eh, I bet USC's OC is an "OC" in title. That's Lincoln Riley's baby.
I still wonder every year after N. Dakota State goes the FCS playoffs when somebody is going to go after that staff. It could be that they are honestly happy in North Dakota.
In other news on FCS, the Ivy League has announced they will participate for FCS playoffs next year.
This is big news. Pretty cool IMO. Would love to see HBCUs join as well.
NDSU's head coach from 2 years ago (Matt Entz) hopped to be USC's DC last year and was just hired to be HC at Fresno St. The HC before him, Chris Klieman, is the HC at Kansas St. NDSU's HC before Klieman was Craig Bohl, who retired after 10 years at Wyoming about a year ago. They have been consistently getting picked off with increasing frequency. There's also the reality that NDSU is no longer the main FCS power. It's SDSU now after winning the last two titles.
I thought this would be a great time for Wake Forest to quit football. Clawson leaving, they've been bad for a while. They don't contribute any revenue to the ACC, and if they cut football it would give everyone else an extra $3 mil/year. Sounds like they don't have quite as much donor money as they usually do either.
Then they go right out and make a home run hire
who are you what have you done with Rayo, ACC Simp-In-Chief
I hope y'all are friends IRL, because that doesn't come across as civil in anonymous text.
there's some longstanding and ongoing banter on TKP about how Rayo simps for the ACC
Apologies for it coming across harsh to the observer but judging from the comment below it wasn't taken very offensively
Agreed! Cheers.
Easiest boost for the ACC would be to dump its lowest value and lowest potential growth teams. Wake is the bottom in both cases
(Yes, I will always stan the greatest conference)
I spent longer than I should have, looking for Dallas and California dots outside the logo border.
Vance Vice and James Shibest confirmed part of Purdue staff today. Vice as O Line. Shibest as Special Teams.
I'm starting to imagine this alternative reality where we hired a coach from Memphis, but it was Barry Odom instead of Fuente. And he brought Vice and Shibest and a really good OC. And we are all doing well in Hokie Nation still today.
Reuniting with former VT WR Coach Aaron Moorehead, who has been with the Eagles since 2020.
Yep, gave Moorehead his first coaching job, so that's cool they are reuniting.
I always thought Loeffler would make a good NFL coach. His schemes and concepts were complex to the point that it wasn't really feasible for college, but in the NFL where you are coaching the same guys for upwards of a decade it could be lethal. He was QB coach of the 0-16 Lions, but that team sucked and their players were awful. With a guy like Hurts, who was really good at recognizing defenses and adjusting at the line, Loeffler could do really well.
No brainer for Lefty here. Show up at the complex, coach QB's, get paid, repeat next week. That beats the shit out of kissing 10th graders asses for 3 years, paying them to come to bowling green, developing them and if they are good, they leave immediately for more money. If they aren't good, you don't win and get fired. In the offseason, you have to recruit that same 10th grader again for the 5th straight year. In your spare time you have to beg middle class fans to pay for your team every day. No brainer for Lefty.