Sources tell ABC11 that the UNC Board of Trustees is set to meet Wednesday to approve the contract for Bill Belichick to be the next head football coach at the University of North Carolina.https://t.co/x2wxdP2VIF pic.twitter.com/6CFKSTI7ST— ABC11 EyewitnessNews (@ABC11_WTVD) December 11, 2024
Any, and I mean any recruiting ground we thought we had made up in the Commonwealth just evaporated.
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IDK I'll believe it when I see it. It's either going to go very well or very poorly. I don't think he's going to be able to keep up with the college landscape for long, if at all.
He doesn't have to sell anything. He's a living legend with seven superbowl rings and connections. Chapel Hill is intent on hiring big flashy names even if it's selling their soul...
I mean we may lose ground for other reasons (2 .500 seasons in a row, questions surrounding Pry's job security), but i'm not sure about this being the reason, Belichick is 72 and has 0 proof of concept for succeeding at college level. He also carries the baggage of having an 'unfun' culture, which imo is easier to sell to NFL players who are making huge bags in a business vs 16-17 year olds who are still looking to have fun in their college careers. Belichick's image also took a hit with Brady won a superbowl on another team and the Patriots proceeded to suck
Allegedly the requirements in his contract include tons of support staff and people to fill in his defficiencies.
Yes. I'm certain he knew exactly what he didn't want to deal with and will have every single one of those aspects delegated down elsewhere.
I'm super curious about this. I initially laughed at the idea, but the 400 page manifesto has me intrigued.
It's pretty common in college football coaching for coaches to show up with a 'binder' explaining a coach's proposed strategy for winning at a given school. Pry did this, Fuente did this, etc.
I think the reporting around this is mostly the media creating commentary on legendary football coach. "Oh, he's the most prepared" "So detail oriented" etc - this is the norm for this role.
When I read that people thought a 500 page manifesto on how to do the best job was odd I now wonder if I'm the odd man out of having a 100+ page manifesto on how to rub things at my jobs
edit: well I fucked thay up
How hard is it to rub things?
Is that a Deshaun Watson quote? /s
is it really /s though?
Depends on if you believe Deshaun or at least a couple dozen massage therapists. FWIW I believe the therapists.
I'm the odd man out of having a 100+ page manifesto on how to rub things at my jobs
This isn't going to end well. You may have a future in politics. STILL won't end well.
Belichek used to work for Robert Kraft, so there's that.
UNC with Belichick as head coach is going to eat our lunch. They won't even have to recruit, they are going to have elite players from all over the country lining up at their front step to play for the greatest head coach of all time. Even if we had our shit together, which we very much do not right now, this is terrible news for VT. Any hope we had of ever being able to get good talent in our region just got exponentially more difficult.
And I mean that, elite players want money and to be set up for success in the NFL. UNC has DEEP pockets, they will pay whatever it takes, and now they have the most successful NFL head coach of all time preparing them to be an NFL player. He won't have to recruit, they will flock to him just like they did to Saban at Bama.
All Belichick has to do to win in the ACC is do what he does best... Take away what your offense does best/is most comfortable with. He is the best to ever do that. So if they play WVU, Rich Rods bullshit sideways runs will be just that- sideways and snuffed for loss. If he played GT with Paul Johnson, he would have forced Johnson to pass more than 6 times in the game. He will force NC State to do what they hate/can't do etc. He will beat VT every time he coaches against us, I am certain of it. We are the most predictable offensive team in CFB. If he were coaching in the SEC its not so cut and dry... but SMU just came in and went undefeated in this league. Bellichick will win and win big.
UNC is going to have to learn to spend that money on football, and maybe they will now, but their NIL at present is reported to be on the order of $4M which is likely not that different from VT.
If UNC invests the resources then this model could be very effective for them. BB has apparently asked for a parallel GM and talent structure to do all the traditional talent scouting and recruiting management stuff that coaches have to split time on now. Sounds like he'd just list the things he wants and then focus on the game planning and schemes. That takes care of his biggest downside in having zero college experience. He's outsourced all that, or at least that's the plan.
Coaching and game management wise he's going to bury the ACC, us included.
And this is exactly what Belichick is going to do there.
His plan is to rebuild UNC into a modern feeder program to the NFL. He is going to immediately get the recruits to have success right away but UNC is giving him free reign to build what is necessary to be a powerhouse football program. It's every bit as ominous as it was when Saban was hired to Bama, except the sport has changed enough now that Belichick won't have to be nearly as intimately involved with the day to day as Saban was then.
is filming opponents' practices part of this plan
That's a year 2 action item.
Year 1 is deflating the footballs and cutting the sleeves off all his UNC sweatshirts.
I thought he included that position in his 400 page plan.
You mean like the UNC AD?
UNC may have deep pockets but they haven't come close to figuring out NIL, Mack even said multiple times they don't have money to keep up.
The rest stands true. Fortunately he's 72 and we'll never really know if this strategy works or not he'll get an immediate influx of talent that will never actually make much fruition before he actually retires and 99% of people don't know his son's first name so I doubt he gets half the draw or leniency that Bill will.
The thing is, with the new $20.5M revenue sharing plan that is set to go into effect with the House settlement, along with the new NIL clearinghouse, NIL is going to be less a factor I think. Programs are going to have to start operating like a professional organization managing what is essentially a salary cap. It seems UNC has recognized this and is firing the first salvo in this new arms race to build that organization.
NIL can be a Both/And with the House Settlement though. No restrictions on NIL aside from the amounts being public/transparent above $600. So tOSU/Texas/Georgia etc are about to explode player comp.
...So tOSU/Texas/Georgia/UNC etc are about to explode player comp.
.So
tOSU/This
If I understand correctly, it's more than just transparency with the clearinghouse. Deloitte will be determining if the NIL contract is legitimately for NIL and not just a pay-for-play deal.
Every time you create a system, there are immediately lawyers crawling on it to find the loopholes.
If you can think of half of them, you're a genius. The NCAA isn't a genius. And is in reality an agent of the entities that seek to build in an advantage for the moneyed interests/blue bloods.
Dunno. I feel pretty meh on this. Seems more like a publicity stunt to me. The last of his Pats team were bad bad personel wise. Can he coach an entire team of college kids?
The only way for VT to not be a mediocre program in a mediocre conference is for something to shake up the current falling apart CFB landscape. Not sure this will have an effect, but it's got more chance than waiting for #GOACC to make it happen from the top.
Is Tom Brady going to be his QB? I think we all saw what happened when they parted ways
This. Great defensive mind for sure, but Brady made him what he is. Awful W-L record without him
He made Matt Cassel look like an all star when Brady went out. He won with Drew Bledsoe.
His only full year with Bledsoe they went 5-11.
Cassel was pretty okay, but not sure how much of that credit goes to Josh McDaniels.
Not that worried. UNC Football had only $4m in NIL last year. Their total athletic donations was only $24m last year.
I'm far less afraid of him eating our lunch on the recruiting trail. Far more afraid that he can actually develop talent.
You don't think that their rich donors... like Michael jordan... aren't going to inject crazy cash at this experiemnt
Jordan is only worth $3.5billion. A $100m per year investment for him is only 2.8% of his net worth, and given his involvement with the Jordan brand, he stands to make more than that from UNC merchandise sales alone
So Michael Jordan presumably had no interest in giving to the athletic department until this year? Is Michael Jordan such a Bill Belichick fan that he refused to give any of his billions to UNC until they hired Bill Belichick?
You just rarely see a multi year increase in donations (or revenue in general) that is this large.
Michael Jordan is a businessman. All he needed was someone to show him the Jordan brand ROI for bringing in Belichick to UNC and it was an easy decision to invest.
Yup, previously he was getting games on the ACC network with Spurtle commercials. Now, it's a different ballgame.
Could we get the ghost of Tom Landry? /s
I don't believe for a second that Bill is gonna croot, wine and dine boosters and NIL collectives, or probably even call plays. I do believe he's going to take a real shot at building a program that can pipeline the NFL with coaches and players.
I mean.... Imagine proposing increasing your salary budget by 500% to be "competitive" and everybody nods their head like, sure that's cool with us.
Jfc, this whole NIL thing is a joke until there's some resemblance of oversight, it's going to be tough to watch.
These numbers being floated around what these kids are making is ridiculous. I'm all about athletes being compensated but the flood gates are open and won't close for a while. Ultimately, while trying to address one issue, the 2nd order effect is likely there are some many other sports that will likely seize to exist at most schools.
How the fuck do they just increase NIL by 500% in a 3 week period? My brain is broken.
Being well endowed?
So, we need more large breasted fans?
Certainly couldn't hurt
I see no possible downside to this plan.
back pain
Won't hurt my back a bit.
This is why I don't buy the notion that Virginia Tech is too poor to do anything. There is money out there. Virginia Tech is a very good school and I don't believe the entire alumni base is hurting for cash. Our AD is either misallocating resources or failing to generate donations. Either way it's unacceptable
I mean, what if we come to learn that UNC Athletics was tapping into their endowment, or getting sizable cash from main campus? That's something out of Whit's control.
I'm sure Whit can do better, but I also find it hard to believe that there's $15m+ under the couch cushions, and if he just spent more time working the phones, he'd be able to shake it out of people.
Another thing I often wrestle with is that the primary benefit of giving to VT Athletics is season tickets. Blacksburg is so tough to get to (and find a place to stay) that it's tough to incentivize people to give just to see a few more W's. I saw the comment below about VT Grads at FAANG (is it MAANG now? I digress...) - Even if you have a grad making $400k at google, living in the bay area, how are you going to convince them to drop 5-figures on the Hokies? It's going to cost them another $3k+ just to spend a game weekend in Blacksburg.
TL;DR - I think 'we need to fire Whit and that will fix things' is drastically oversimplifying the situation. I'm very onboard with the idea that Whit doesn't get to make a third football hire, but I think we all agree that VT is more than just a head coaching hire a way from solving our athletic department problems/challenges.
I'm not necessarily calling for Whit's head. If UNC is tapping into main campus money or their endowment then that tells me that their university leadership as a whole is aligned on winning football games. I have always believed that is the most important factor of running a successful football program. If you have your AD, your university president, and your BOV pulling in 3 different directions (sound familiar) you have no chance of sustained success. The problem with Virginia Tech right now is that there is no shared vision for the university.
To your other point of Whit not being able to shake out money from our donors. I think there was a comment or article posted here recently of the new GT AD calling high net worth alumni and they responded with "I was waiting when someone would call me." Now I have no idea if that is the case with us or not but I just don't buy the claim that since we don't have a law school or medical school our alumni base is too poor to donate
Guitarman (VT employee who has talked to president sands about this many times) seems to feel that he understands the importance of football. So take that for what it's worth 🤷♂️
That was probably me. My in laws are connected at GT, the old AD was doing a terrible job.
I agree... I too dont buy the prestige-grad-school argument. I can speculate all day, but I don't know what the actual reason is.
Yes, I know Guitarman has an eye witness account that they all understand the importance of football. My fear is that they're all pulling in different directions though. There's just been too much smoke for me to not believe that is the case.
I think it was you that I was thinking of lol.
"I was waiting when someone would call me.".. total horseshit bullshit. not true. 1. High net worth people have accountants that focus on that high net worth making more money. They didn't get rich by hoping someone would call them with a loss/loss proposition. Donating a million dollars to the starting QB is the same exact thing as lighting it on fire of course. You get nothing in return except for a loss to UGA. 2. It's 2024. If you want to give NIL money to Virginia Tech there is this new thing called fucking google. The GT AD is full of total shit.
The Chapel Bill Tar Hoodies.
For those who think he can't recruit in college
He will do great in the pay-to-play modern environment of college athletics lol
ah, reminds me of the old adage: you're only as old as the one you feel.
wait... how does that go again? 🤣🤣 Bill living that fat Billionaire lifestyle.
It's clear he knows how to manage fee-for-service.
How much of that was his personality, and how much of that was his net worth?
"I ain't sayin' she a gold digger."
She is.
What? Are you saying hot 20 somethings aren't interested in pruned up 70 somethings with deflated balls?
Not unless there's money/lifestyle involved.
Come play defense for marve at va tech, or go play defense for the master at unc. Wow, what a choice
Yeah, this might not work out in the end, but if I was a defensive recruit that wanted to understand how to succeed in the NFL, I'd be kneecapping other recruits to get a spot on his team
As an NFL guy, maybe Bill will see Marve for the future NFL coach he is and hire him away.
Is this good or bad for Chapel Bill? No idea who this guy is.
hot take: this still won't make people in Chapel Hill care about football
I'm wondering how this move will siphon money from the basketball program... they'll care then
Belichick is the greatest NFL coach of all time, but I have exactly zero reason to assume he'll be a great college coach. What works at one level doesn't necessarily translate to another level.
The greatest college coach of all time, Nick Saban, failed in the NFL. We're about to run the experiment in reverse, and it could go either way.
Rumor has it that Belichick has been planning this since June, since that was when he started dating a college student in order to really get into the modern psyche of his players lol.
He knows what they're looking for in a girlfriend.
Interesting move by UNC to setup a professional organization to catch back up to the fact that CFB is no longer even pretending to be amateur and get in the new game.
50 million for 5 years. I was wondering how much they'd pay him...looks like that is double what Mack was getting. Guess UNC is really pumping the money into their football program!
$50 million for 5 years.
I guess the money is rolling. Add to that assistants and NIL.
$50m for 5 years another $20m per year ($100m total) for NIL and a 30 person assistant coaching staff.
And they will make multiple times those payments in new fundraising and sponsorship contracts because of who they brought in and how good they project to be.
Virginia Tech would never do this. Even if we had the money we would never go all in like this. We are too cautious and scared, and as such we were left behind a decade ago.
Can we dust off Tom Coughlin and hire him as an advisor? Should guarantee a victory against UNC. I mean he beat Belichick on the biggest stage twice with arguably inferior teams. Just a bonus that Hoo Favorite Son Tiki Barber hates Coughlin too.
Pry announces new hires for 2025 season
Eli Manning joining as Offensive Coordinator
Nick Foles joining as QB Coach
Not Eli, never... Most overrated Manning ever.
yet he has just as many SB wins as older HOF bro
And yet he's 2-0 vs Bill in the Super Bowl
CFB =/= NFL. Belichick has been an NFL coach his entire career, literally zero college coaching experience. I just don't see this translating as well as many other folks on this board. Plus he truly never succeeded as a HC without Tom Brady, possibly the greatest QB of all time.
!=... i thought we were mostly programmers here
I have no idea what that means... don't judge
No judging. In most programming languages '!' is the symbol for "not". "Not equal" is != as in 3 != 4 or as in your example CFB != NFL.
TIL, I'm a water engineer (drinking and wastewater plant design) and I've done approximately zero programming in my life. Much appreciated.
As someone who probably drinks more than his fair share of water let me say thank you for doing what you do.
I feel In have to warn you of the dangers you are facing due to this...
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I recall seeing somewhere that this was the real cause of Bruce Lee's death. He basically OD'd on water.
It can be done. But the DHMO thing is funny when people get all up in a fuss.
Dihydrogen peroxide?
The military has a branch all doing training every day specialized in how to take advantage of it but it causes millions of dollars in damage every year.
So powerful it is used to drive electrical generating plants in China, North Korea and Russia.
The Netherlands has built huge walls specifically designed to control it and keep it out.
It can be frozen and causes temporary blindness in those that see it in ordinary daylight if not wearing special eyeglasses.
The National Park service, when they detected it in sufficient quantity, use explosives to prevent it causing sudden death to people exposed to it.
I can understand the concern. There's just so much of it out there.
It's the universal solvent. It can be used to dissolve so many things. It's no wonder people are concerned.
i know i'm days late to this, but just wanna point out that "dihydrogen peroxide" as you have written above is very different than "dihydrogen monoxide".
dihydrogen monoxide is water, dihydrogen peroxide .... hydrogen peroxide -- incredibly oxidative and explosive when heated!
I was just asking myself if it was worth posting this exact thing on a 2 day old sub-thread as I scrolled through it.
I should know better than to chemistry at 4AM.
Egbert was a chemist. But Egbert is no more.
What Egbert thought was H2O was H2SO4.
NICE!
My dad used to tell me this one growing up. Love a good joke that requires an education to understand (like the "funny t-shirts e.g. "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate" or "TECHNICALLY alcohol IS a solution")
Us mathletes write it the way you do =/=
IDK if he'll be good in college. I have my doubts.
But my biggest takeaway is that he must be an even bigger asshole than people thought if there's not a single NFL coaching job he could get. Yes - some of the shine came off in his last few years without Brady, but the NFL will hire re-treads with next to zero chance of success just because they've been a coach (see Allen, Dennis), so the fact that he nobody will have him is pretty impressive
I think this is a genius hire TBH. I hear everyone talking about the recruiting part but the days of having to win over the mom and all that are long gone, nowadays it is just about how much money are you going to pay us. The fact that he is saying he wants to build a NFL feeder program says it all, and that is what the kids and parents will care about. It's how much will you give us now and can you get my son to the NFL where he will make even more.
Exactly. Its not about kissing their ass, its about UNC being able to sell that they will be the best NFL prep factory in college sports, which, with Belichick leading the show is something they can legitimately say and the vast majority will believe. Oh, and they'll just also happen to have some of the deepest NIL pockets out there.
And if you think that Belichick is going to be at all involved with the recruiting or NIL payments, just remember they are hiring 30 assistants. He will absolutely delegate that work to someone else so he doesn't have to worry about it.
I saw somewhere that in his 400-page document his GM of football operations will head up recruiting. Or at least recruiting will fall under the GM's side of the house.
This^^^^
Yes and no.
Players can get the same money or more money at about 30 to 40 other P4 universities. So what differentiates UNC from the others? It's Belichick.
Belichick has a legacy as a winner. But he is also an ass and has as much charisma as a rock. Based on his legacy (and UNC branding), he'll always be able to get a handful of top recruits. But if UNC doesn't win and a player is fed up with the Belichick's schtick, he will transfer. Nobody likes working under an ass.
There are going to be some parents who simply state put up with it for a couple of years and you will increase your chances of being set for life.
Except are you really paying every player on a team? And what if you are paying them less than what they want ideally - seems like you might still be able to sell them on other aspects of the program. I doubt "recruiting" is just sliding a piece of paper across the table with a number on it. Otherwise, all these programs with recruiting staffs would fire them and dump the extra cash into NIL/player payment funds.
All I can say about this....
Why would he go be an average NFL coach in a league where he can't get imbalanced talent when he can show up to a purchased roster that is better than 95% of the rest of the teams?
I don't know if this is going to be a long-term success for UNC, but I know with near certainty that it is bad, bad news for VT (and NCSU and UVa and maybe even Clemson/GT). They are going to clean up on the recruiting trail, more so than they do already.
And the infrastructure he's putting together is likely going to lead to a lot of success on its own next year and going forward. A journalist here in NC FOIA'ed the 400 page manifesto. I hope it gets out so VT can learn from some of Belichick's thinking.
And in the conference expansion wars, UNC (who I think was the top prize in the ACC already) just signaled their seriousness to the P2.
yeah, VT is completely pickle-fucked here
You had many valid points there. But somebody FOIAing his manifesto is something I can assure Bill never even dreamed would happen. Never happen in the NFL.
Please, somebody, DO THIS!
Non-zero percent chance that Bill bolts for the NFL before he ever coaches a game at UNC
I'm not sure he's there to actually HC. I think he's there to setup the organization.
He could easily pay 1 mil to set his son up with a well paying coaching position there.
There's also a non-zero percent chance that he crashes and burns, while pouring gas on UNC's money.
I don't know if that will happen, but it would bring me the most joy.
One can only hope. I hate the tarholes.
Belicheck's thought process as he applys for UNC's HC vacancy and gives them his "plan" in the current state of college football.
And here we go lmaoo
UNC HC Bill Belichick has heard from multiple teams, including Raiders minority owner Tom Brady, to gauge interest in return to NFL
https://www.nfl.com/news/bill-belichick-potential-nfl-return-raiders-tom...
Man I want to see this happen so bad. June 2 Bill steps away to an NFL position
The absolute chaos (ie shitstorm) that would cause would be both beautiful and possibly historic. The meltdown from the UNC fanbase would be monumental.
However, I hate to tell you that this won't happen because nothing this good ever happens for me. 😂
Edit: Actually I believe it is likely to happen. I can see the headline now: Bill back to NFL, UNC burns down
Oof so insensitive to our ACC colleagues in Cali
I mean, if you were to handicap the likelihood that Bill never coaches a game at UNC, what would you put it at? 10%? 15%?
At this moment? less than 2%...
If Belichick bails on the Heels, are they officially the University of No Coach??
LOL Nope, his kid is there as HC in waiting.
UNC should have vested that clause after a few years of being HC.
University of Nepotism Contracts?
This would have to be very, very tempting to Belichick. I believe he gauged the NFL jobs last year and he did not draw a lot of interest from the teams looking. He then did this college thing which never seemed like a fit to me (and yes I know as of now he is still under contract as the UNC head coach).
You would have to believe that at 72 and after 48 years working in the NFL his preference would still have to be the NFL. I know there are some contractual things with the buyout if he departs however if LV (or another team) really wants him I am sure the buyout is not that big of an issue.
Outside of hurt feelings between UNC and Belichick, this seems like a no brainer to me.
I hear all the talk about Belichick building a pipeline to the NFL. This is all well and good I guess, but I hear nothing about winning college football games. Yeah, he may get the top players in the region, but will they be able to play together to create winning football. Remember, in the NFL, most players have several years experience being paid and working in a professional system. All these top rated high school kids already think they should be getting the bag and be in the league. Working their egos into a cohesive group to win at the college level is a different animal. If they are not winning, somebody is not going to be happy (boosters, donors, admin, students, fans).
I will say this... If this Belichick things works at uncheat... then... Bruce Arians to VT!!!
I really want to see what Bill does when a LB says he needs a guarantee to play every 3rd down.
I mean, it's not like pro players don't have huge egos and unreasonable expectations. SF had a LB refuse to play in the third quarter against the Rams. "He didn't want to play".
Paul Finebaum now spouting off that UNC is the top target for the SEC expansion. Went all in about how their change in position on football moves them to the top of the list.
Finebaum is a douche-canoe
The master of click baiting and SEC shilling doing just that. Can't say I'm shocked
I think UNC has always been at the top of the hypothetical SEC expansion list.
Either way, one hire is not going to make/break the case.
I think UNC publishes the list.
I'm curious why you say that? I always pictured them as more of a basketball school, but went and checked their attendance at games on ESPN and they had attendance in the 50 thousands for most home games, with some variation. I think taking a NC school would be good, but wasn't sure if NC State or UNC would be better. I mean, UNC's casual attitude on ethics and academics might fit in well in the SEC (referencing the academic scandal for athletes where students were essentially given A's for nothing, and if memory serves, they said other students could take that class and that was just their standard of education).
Impressively, we were at 65,633 or 65,632 for every home game of ours I checked (not sure about the one seat variance). I feel like based on number of fans and potential market, we'd be a better draw than a lot of other schools.
Prestige factor. UNC is the biggest brand of any school between PSU and UGA (yes, there are more tarhole fans than Clemson fans). Ticket sales don't capture sidewalk fans.
I know a lot of people in NC are Carolina fans, but some of that is basketball based. I'm curious about Tech in that regard. I'd guess a LOT of people outside of Northern Virginia are probably Tech football fans. Hell, I had a guy who was inspecting my house in Florida (Florida native, likes college football) tell me he likes watching VA Tech play and liked our entrance and seeing how noisy our stadium gets.
I hope the SEC takes them and uses them as a rented mule for guaranteed wins every year in football. And for the chef's kiss, watch their basketball team flounder playing more physical teams with refs that don't suck their assholes every time their players get touched on offense!
As others have said, fuck the Tarholes and fuck every fan of theirs who has no ties to the actual school except for being a bandwagon "they win a lot" fan.
I admire the strength of your position on this.
I've felt all along that UNC was a top/the top target. The UNC brand is nationwide, even if it's not specifically football-centric.
The SEC (and B1G) get into a brand new market with one of the top 5-ish brands in the country. The Belichick thing just signals to suitors that UNC is serious and is enthusiastic when the suitors come calling.
Listen to the quotes from the Board of Trustees (who drove this whole thing far more vigorously than the AD)... It's all about letting the world know that Carolina is serious about big-boy football and that they deserve a seat at the table.
This is it right here. You already have every network saying this. Every recruit is hearing it on Saturday, Sunday and Monday. "North Carolina is a NFL pipeline"
Belichick doesn't need to recruit. Everyone else is going to do it for him, especially those who aren't even working for UNC.
Sure, but isn't ALL of college football a pipeline to the NFL?
UNC doesn't have a monopoly on that. They're going to have to write checks like everyone else.
Yeah.... I mean how many college athletes who are gifted enough to get to the NFL don't make it there because of a lack of a pipeline?
There's reality, and there's the sales job.
I've been curious the whole time what the mechanism of this is supposed to be. It might be a more NFL-style operation, which might work better in the NIL era (split of coaching/roster management, etc.) but they're still competing in the same place against the same other schools for recruits. There'll be a first year or two bump in recruits probably, but the key questions remain the same. Can they 1. Identify talent, and 2. Recruit that talent and 3. Develop the talent.
To the first point, I'm not sure BB's record is actually that stellar. Tom Brady covered up a lot of sins in that department. Look at some of their later drafts, they're pretty weird. Maybe he hires the right folks to handle that, but I'm not convinced at first pass that there's a huge advantage there.
Second, recruiting, sure, the name will pull folks in years one and two. This is just Mack Brown 2.0 in that way. Big name, lots of buzz, some big time croots come a calling. Maintaining those relationships, holding those dudes over time, bringing in a second generation of guys might take more hand holding than he wants to do, both with players and families.
The third one is going to be what he sells aggressively. I know what skills you need in the NFL, I'll get you from where you are to where you want to be, etc. Which maybe he does. But this is not unique to Belichick, there are former NFL dudes all over CFB, and it's the one that takes the longest. You've got to get the right folks in, and keep them, for this to bear any fruit. If he's committed to doing this for ten years, maybe we get to the point where the development works and that reinvigorates the other two, then you become a real powerhouse. I'm not convinced that any of that is a given though.
Can they 1. Identify talent, and 2. Recruit that talent and 3. Develop the talent.
and 4. Pay the talent.
At the end of the day, there are lots of teams doing all those same things. Belichick has celebrity, but will he really be better at everything than everyone else at the collegiate level?
Paying the talent has less to do with the coaching staff and more to do with the school.
Paying the talent has less to do with the coaching staff and more to do with the
school.donors.Sure, but they're related. The coach has to sell the donors. Seems like Belichick has some work to do, because he has to sell them on his own salary, PLUS the additional expenses his plan will cost, PLUS the NIL it will undoubtedly cost, and at the end of the day, it's still UNC.
Everybody has a bottom line, so this will be an interesting experiment.
I don't know how long belichick will be at unc, he might already have his foot out the door. But you can guarantee one thing, he will take the opposing team's best offensive player, and he will make sure that he doesn't beat unc. He made a living out of this in the NFL.
I lol'd ...seeing this was GOLD. So much for that UNC NIL 💰
It's funny because uncheat gets called out for bullshit, but at the same time I can see this as another big issue with the nil's and pay-to-plays. A kid gets upset because X school isn't willing to pay what said kid thinks he's worth then takes to social media to shit all over the school and coaches whether warranted or not
I agree but it still is gold to see the Belichick fan bus dragged through the mud this quick.
With the money they spent on Belichick, they'll have to cut costs somewhere else. And if they're going to brag about the money they're splashing around, their recruits are bound to expect their fair share. So I'd expect some discontent from the "have nots" there.
Hahahahahahahahaha..........ahahahahahahaha
Like I said above... There's not $15m in NIL hiding in the UNC couch cushions, just waiting for Belichick.
There's been one contract that has been widely shared. It was for 5-star Nico Iamaleava, and it maxed out at $2m over 4 years.
Almost all these NIL numbers are bullshit.
Yep - even for king college football- businesses typically don't like losing money. Even for lord southern irrational college football fandom above all else- including god and family- an actual for profit business doesn't like to lose money long. Keep in mind- these businesses will lay people off, cut travel, cut benefits, close offices in the name of margins. They won't light money on fire much longer for college football players.
Pretty sure that's an NC State troll...
No read the bio, he's clearly a portal player (/s)
As much as I want to believe, do note it's coming from @Wolf1969pack
So I'm going to approach that with a healthy dose of skepticism
Belichick won't be at the UNC bowl game at all.
What's the likelihood that he never coaches a game at UNC? It's not zero.
Especially given his buyout goes way down in june or something, doesnt it?
Yea, Fullcast says his buyout drops from $10m to $1m in June but I can't image it's that extreme that quick.
Just long enough to build the framework and secure the commitment from donors to put everything in place for his son to take over while also leaving enough time for an NFL job to open up. If an NFL job isn't in the cards this offseason, he'll stick it out for a season. I firmly believe that this was his plan all along.
If that happens it'll be the hap.hap happiest week to be a Hokie in Raleigh
But I'll believe it when I see it
I can't wait until Matt Brown gets his hands on the 400 page manifesto.
Looking more and more likely with Brady angling for to reunite in Vegas.
Bellichick is the greatest coach in NFL history- so let's stop the "comparison" right there of course. But like Rich Rod- who is never going to have Pat White, Slaton, and a team with a chip on their shoulder competing with USF for BCS games ever again. Never. Bellichick is never going to have the best QB in history, combined with the historically worst division ever over a period of time and an owner with an ego so big he wrote blank checks and would endorse cheating to win. Bellichick is never going to have that situation again.
To be fair he might get that part of the situation again if he stays at UNC.
He doesn't need any of that to cement his name in the record books though. He's 14 wins away. That's two mediocre seasons, or three bad ones. Like you said, he doesn't have a lot left to prove, but getting win 348 has to be an exciting prospect. Then he can go back to spending time with his 26 year old girlfriend or whatever.
Agreed. If I am him, my criteria is one thing- can the QB fucking play? that is ALL that matters in the NFL... so Raiders, Browns, Indy, Jets, Giants, Panthers, Bears (yes) - are off my list. Those guys can't fucking play. Can't fucking play and Bellichick knows it. You MUST have a QB in this league- a real one- not Anthony Richardson.
Or all of those teams have to be willing to go get the QB he wants. Pretty weak draft class at QB coming up though. I am not sure I put Caleb Williams on that list. Bears had plenty of problems, he is a headcase but his numbers are surprising for how bad their season has been.
He finished 27 yards behind Daniels with 3,541 yards, had a 20/6 TD/INT line, and completed 63% of passes. He ran for 489 yards. The big problems with him were that the line was equivalent to the Hokies so he took 68 sacks and had 6 fumbles. They couldn't run the ball for shit either with that line. If he went there he would need to go after a complete line overhaul. Defense there is really good and only had three games of 30+ points. Twice to Minnesota and one in the one week San Francisco had everyone healthy on offense.
Just my opinion- Williams will be a bust. He's a head case and doesn't win. Daniels- similar "numbers" won 12 games though. He's a winner, he's not soft.
I'm a Commanders fan, so I like Daniels, but I don't understand why people think Caleb Williams is soft. Is this based on superficial observations? Because I see a guy playing through injuries and who teammates speak highly of. I think both Daniels and Williams will be franchise players
I don't really know whether Williams will be a success or not, but agree that having an aura similar to Prince does not make one soft. Just ask Charlie Murphy.
Game. Blouses.
Caleb had great numbers against bad teams in college and has continued that somewhat in the NFL.
I don't think Williams will be a bust but he isn't going to be great. Maybe that makes him a bust if since he was #1. He is a head case.
5 is going to be great provided he doesn't get snapped in half. I'm still worried about his size as a Comanches fan.
Right- nothing- zero about that guy lived up to his draft hype thus far- and predictably he's not winning. "We've never seen anything like him"- yeah horseshit. We've seen Vick, Lamar, countless others. "He makes throws noone can make"- fucking total horsehit... most NFL QBs make those throws. The hype around him was ridiculous and it was noted by those close to USC he wasn't tough Well this is a mans league.
Levels of can't play in there I would say. He can win 14 games in two seasons with Caleb probably. Minshew maybe. Depends on what he's going for. If he wants another REAL run, then yeah, either somewhere with a good QB or a high pick would be ideal. If he's shooting for 14 wins and out, it's a different calculation.
This is shooting completely from the hip, but I thought of it while I was typing the other stuff. You interested in Jacksonville if you're him? Good QB (if not great) and a garbage division. If you're shooting for two decent seasons, maybe a playoff run without Tom, you could do worse.
Browns already looked like a bad idea and now word that Deshaun Watson tore an ACL this week and had surgery yesterday leaving 2025 in doubt and he was terrible but their best option.
Like the guy under the bridge on the highway with a cardboard vietnam vet sign, DeShaun Watson is a bum. A bum. nothing more.
"dc compares veterans to sexual predator" is not what i had on my bingo card. You are being extra spicy today
No- I was speaking to him being a bum on the field- didn't mean to disparage vets. And the guy with the vietnam vet sign under the bridge is most likely- not a vet in my experience.
Naw, man. He was with the Green Berets, Special Unit Battalions...Commando Airborne Tactics...Specialist Tactics Unit Battalion. Real hush-hush. He was Agent Orange, that was his name, Agent Orange. He was all over the place in 'Nam, Sang Bang, Dang Gong, basically a lot of places.
If he goes to Las Vegas, he will have the best QB in history.....as an owner.
.....saw he is enjoying the food on his recruiting trips. Posting up NC BBQ joints
So apparently Bill Belichick has not yet actually signed any contract with UNC, he signed a "term sheet"
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/bill-belichicks-unc-cont...
The shula record is more important to him than he's leading on and the guy most likely to catch him is McVay- who will get bored with NFL coaching long before he approaches that record. I think Bellichick wants the record- badly.
Scary thought, can Jones give up enough control and let Bellichick win games in Dallas?
Not a chance. Jones reiterated several times this season that he is the best GM in football still to this day- even when pressed on it. He still thinks he is the best GM, so no chance he gives that title to Belichick- hell he fired Jimmy Johnson over it. But in the modern NFL, Belichick just needs a good QB. Good QBs win, bad ones don't - it's really that simple. Dak is overrated, but he is not terrible. Bellichick can win 10,11 games with him - and in 2 years he has the record.
Jones is gonna hire Deion Sanders, draft Shaduer Sanders, and miss the playoffs for the next 5 years
Speak it into existence.
No way man, I followed the Cowboys long enough to know that they'll find a way to squeak into the playoffs only to get ass blasted by some mid level team in the first round.
Reid is 33 wins behind him, if Bill stays in college, Reid with Mahomes just needs probably 3 more seasons to pass him and is only 66.
So Bill may very well yet bail on UNC and leave them at the altar.
Man, that's some Game of Thrones shit
He's never signed a contract, the son thing is not binding until he does, I would think
But I also don't know who they go get. The others who they were evaluating before going with BB (aka summerall) aren't going now. Options will be limited.
A term sheet is still a contract that is binding if the parties agree to the terms.
Terms within a term sheet only become nonbinding if the parties have a subsequent agreement that is different than the term sheet.
Seeing reports he signed his contract today....for what that's worth
I guess when the Raiders signed Pete Carroll he decided to stay on at UNC
....for what that's worth
About $10 million a year
Belichek's son out at Patriots. Coincidence?.......
I wonder how things are going in Chapel Hill right now...
oh, ok then
who?
Thank you for the pre-weekend laugh. I'd heard about all the blocking of people at UNC because of his girlfriend. Maybe we could hire their team as OL coach given that they block everything.
Jokes aside, hope he has an iron clad prenup if it gets to that point.
Yeah its nuts. Seems like she's trying to completely insert herself into the runnings of the program. Which...
Hey, I'm all for anything that brings chaos to UNC
Wait. What? Shouldn't it be the other way around? Shouldn't he be trying to insert... oh, never mind...
And now is when we sit back and watch the fireworks
Hate to see it.
but more than that
WE LOVE TO SEE IT
Cannot wait for UNC/that douche Belichick to completely collapse into their own buttholes.
Bill is dating a woman 1/3rd of his age, what reputation is are they trying to protect now?
The guidelines clearly state half your age plus 7. Bill is out of line here.
The older I get, the cringier that equation gets.
The more I think about it the more it seems right. This would limit Bill to 43 and up. A 72 y/o running around with a 43 y/o raises zero eyebrows.
Yeah no one looks twice at a middle age woman taking her father to the store to shop for new orthopedics
Their inheritance. They're trying to protect their inheritance.
Supposedly she's already tried getting him to rewrite his will to cut out a lot of the family.
Where did you read, see, hear that she is trying to get him to rewrite his will to cut out a lot of the family?
I genuinely do not remember, but it was sometime over the last week or so.
The will part might not be 100% factual, but I've heard it a few times, but I've heard it a bunch even on the radio down here that there is absolutely friction right now between her and the rest of the family. Simply put, they just don't trust her.
Clearly, she's a threat to anyone who is expecting a payout at some future date.
She has some influence and you know they don't like that.
Her last boyfriend was a 64 businessman IIRC she made off pretty well cash wise without even marrying the guy. She's reportedly amassed >$8MM in real estate in her name since she started dating Bill. She's a real catch.
Well she certainly knows how to keep gentlemen happy, and that's worth something.
Well that's not going to help with the speculation that she and Bill met through her work.
This is fantastically hilarious.
Its like watching a sinking ship at this point. After the CBS interview, rather than tone it down, she's gone full-blast on the crazy.
I honestly think it's 50/50 whether he makes it to Opening Weekend as Head Coach.
Couldn't happen to a bigger asshat of a human or a University.
I've said this before and I will say it loud and proud many many times again... absolutely, F&CK the Tarholes.
Now they're saying it's Fake News.
Jordan Hudson isn't banned
She must have raged out hard when she heard the reporting, lol
This circus is glorious to watch. Couldn't happen to a nicer program
Just the fact that the university had to put out an official statement about the 72 year old coach's 24YO girlfriend is a PR nightmare.
I love this
Whenever I see a new batch of comments I think "oh man did he quit already" but somehow this is even better
Go Bill.
Never give up winning. All these haters are jealous.
Um excuse me, id prefer he loses every single game and destroys uncs program
I did not say I thought he would win UNC football games. Keep him there trying and hanging out with young and jealous women.