We've basically been kinda doing this thread in the bowl pick'em thread, so I thought I'd throw this together before we get into the meat of bowl season.
This table is taken from LSUfootball.net, so all the times are in central.
| Bowls | Time | Channel |
|---|---|---|
| Thursday, December 19th | ||
| New Orleans : Georgia Southern vs. Sam Houston | 6:00 PM | ESPN2 / ESPN Video |
| Friday, December 20th | ||
| Cure : Jacksonville State vs. Ohio | 11:00 AM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Gasparilla : Florida vs. Tulane | 2:30 PM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| CFP first round : Indiana at Notre Dame | 7:00 PM | ABC / espn3 / ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Indiana at Notre Dame (SkyCast) | 7:00 PM | ESPN News / ESPN Video |
| Indiana at Notre Dame (Command Center) | 7:00 PM | ESPN2 / ESPN Video |
| Saturday, December 21st | ||
| CFP first round: SMU at Penn State | 11:00 AM | TNT / Video / TBS / Video |
| South Dakota State at North Dakota State | 11:00 AM | ABC / $espn+ Video |
| DIIISF: Johns Hopkins at Mount Union | 12:00 PM | $espn+ Video |
| DIIISF: Susquehanna at North Central | 12:00 PM | $espn+ Video |
| DIICG: Ferris State vs. Valdosta State | 1:00 PM | ESPN2 / ESPN Video / $espn+ Video |
| South Dakota at Montana State | 2:30 PM | $espn+ Video |
| CFP first round: Clemson at Texas | 3:00 PM | TNT / Video / TBS / Video |
| CFP first round : Tennessee at Ohio State | 7:00 PM | ABC / espn3 / ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Tennessee at Ohio State (SkyCast) | 7:00 PM | ESPN News / Video / SECN / Video |
| Tennessee at Ohio State (Command Center) | 7:00 PM | ESPNU / ESPN Video |
| Tennessee at Ohio State (Field Pass) | 7:00 PM | ESPN2 / ESPN Video |
| Tennessee at Ohio State (Tennessee Radio) | 7:00 PM | espn3 Video |
| Monday, December 23rd | ||
| Myrtle Beach : Coastal Carolina vs. UTSA | 10:00 AM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Potato : Fresno State vs. Northern Illinois | 1:30 PM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Tuesday, December 24th | ||
| Hawaii : South Florida vs. San Jose State | 7:00 PM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Thursday, December 26th | ||
| Game Above : Pitt vs. Toledo | 1:00 PM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Rate : Kansas State vs. Rutgers | 4:30 PM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| 68 Ventures : Arkansas State vs. Bowling Green | 8:00 PM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Friday, December 27th | ||
| Armed Forces : Navy vs. Oklahoma | TBA | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Birmingham : Georgia Tech vs. Vanderbilt | TBA | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Liberty : Arkansas vs. Texas Tech | 6:00 PM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Holiday : Syracuse vs. Washington State | 7:00 PM | FOX (cable) / FOX Video |
| Las Vegas : Texas A&M vs. USC | 9:30 PM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Saturday, December 28th | ||
| Fenway : North Carolina vs. UConn | 10:00 AM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Pinstripe : Boston College vs. Nebraska | 11:00 AM | ABC / Video: $espn+ / espn3 / SkyCam |
| New Mexico : LA Lafayette vs. TCU | 1:15 PM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Pop-Tarts : Iowa State vs. Miami | 2:30 PM | ABC / Video: $espn+ / espn3 / SkyCam |
| Arizona : Colorado State vs. Miami Ohio | 3:30 PM | CWTV (channel finder) (streaming) |
| Military : East Carolina vs. NC State | 4:45 PM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Alamo : BYU vs. Colorado | 6:30 PM | ABC / Video: $espn+ / espn3 / SkyCam |
| Independence : Army vs. Louisiana Tech | 8:15 PM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Monday, December 30th | ||
| Music City : Iowa vs. Missouri | 1:30 PM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Tuesday, December 31st | ||
| ReliaQuest : Alabama vs. Michigan | 11:00 AM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Sun : Louisville vs. Washington | 1:00 PM | CBS (cable) / CBS Video |
| Citrus : Illinois vs. South Carolina | 2:00 PM | ABC / Video: $espn+ / espn3 / SkyCam |
| Texas : Baylor vs. LSU | 2:30 PM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| CFPQF (Fiesta) : Boise State vs. TBA | 6:30 PM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Wednesday, January 1st | ||
| CFPQF (Peach) : Arizona State vs. TBA | 12:00 PM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| CFPQF (Rose) : Oregon vs. TBA | 4:00 PM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| CFPQF (Sugar) : Georgia vs. TBA | 7:45 PM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Thursday, January 2nd | ||
| Gator : Duke vs. Ole Miss | 6:30 PM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Friday, January 3rd | ||
| First Responder : North Texas vs. Texas State | 3:00 PM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Duke's Mayo : Minnesota vs. Virginia Tech | 6:30 PM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Saturday, January 4th | ||
| Bahamas : Buffalo vs. Liberty | 10:00 AM | ESPN2 / ESPN Video |
| Thursday, January 9th | ||
| CFP Semi (Orange) : TBA vs. TBA | 6:30 PM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Friday, January 10th | ||
| CFP Semi (Cotton) : TBA vs. TBA | 6:30 PM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
| Monday, January 20th | ||
| CFP Final : TBA vs. TBA | 6:30 PM | ESPN / ESPN Video |
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Florida is up big on Tulane and is now using a 449 pound DT at RB and FB. Looking forward to a fat guy touchdown
sadly no; it went to the Senator's kid
Watching ND-anna on sky cast and it's great hearing all the crowd noise and seeing plays develop. It has also let me hear ND's song selection and man it is so on-brand. Every single cliche stadium song imaginable.
Skycast is the best way to watch a game, the closest to live that you can get. The only thing I don't like is that it's usually showing from behind the QB. You can see the holes, but it's not easy to see how many yards are gained. You just gotta listen for the pa announcer.
I love it for the crowd noise and live feel. My only gripe is the lack of replays on the big plays, but I think the ambiance more than makes up for it and if I really want I can rewind.
I used to watch a lot of games from the all 22 view, it takes some time but you get used to counting the yard lines.
Seeing all these bowl games lined up like this... Geez. Seems a little excessive if you ask me.
NC State has gotta be pissed about playing ECU as a bowl game.
"Like kissing your very plain little sister."
What an end of the San Jose St/South Florida game.
The fact it went to OT was crazy. SJSU multiple 4th down conversions in OT.
3rd OT South Florida got their 2pt conversion clean.
SJSU got theirs but flagged for holding. Next attempt USF flagged for Pass Interference.
4th OT - Both teams failed 2PT
5th OT- South Florida scores and then stops SJSU.
Tied at 27 after 4. Finishes 41-39.
Realizing Nardouche and Pitt started 7-0 and finished 7-5 and are in OT with Toledo in their bowl.
Pitt has an All Name team on DL. Last name is BrewU
Pitt just missed a gimme TD pass. Now kicking a FG from 1 yard line. Nardouche is an idiot.
It goes to 2pt conversions after this play.
Toledo in 4th OT gets away with clear pick play
Pitt side of 4th OT. QB sacked, Toledo rushed the field, defensive holding on them
2nd chance, Pitt QB ruled short, now under review after another field rush
Pretty clear Pitt QB got it across
Review overturns, onto OT 5
Pitt converts 5th OT
Toledo gets theirs too as QB was being hit.
Onto OT 6
Toledo converts OT 6
Looked like another pick play to free up the WR
...and Nardouche shits the bed.
Pitt loses 48-46
Pitt should have gone for the TD on 4th Down in the 2nd OT from the 1 yard line.
Pitt starts 7-0.
Finishes 0-6.
Here's hoping the conference pulls a reverse Pitt. Right now we're 0-4, with 13 teams in bowls.
Whoever was commentating on the broadcast thinks Pitt should have just gone for it as well. The guy only said it "maybe" ten times. At one point I just muted the volume because I got tired of hearing him vomit up the same talking point repeatedly.
Fuck Pat Narduzzi
With a dry fence post
My favorite kind of Narduzzi is one who just lost.
I missed most of the 4th and the first 3OTs. Did he toss any headsets yesterday?
from 7-0 to 7-6 is actually pretty impressive.
These bowl games have been pretty entertaining. Navy finding ways to hang around with Oklahoma
The 26th - 31st is a stretch of solid match-ups IMO.
Pretty neat seeing Navy with the victory over the Nooners.
2 of Venables 3 seasons as OU HC have been the 2 worst seasons OU has had in the last 25 seasons.
His seat will be hot in 2025.
Hmmm this sounds familiar!
So far, you would think GT is just using VT's playbook on offense against Vanderbilt. The lack of offensive production is eerily similar. Also, Vanderbilt is chewing the clock up on offense to try to limit possessions.
GT head coach just had to be restrained by players from running on the field at the head ref after a penalty call. He was enraged.
Refs are absolutely jobbing GT today.
Some of the most egregious one-sided officiating I have ever seen.
Egregious PI call against GT.
Horrible officiating started it and GTs awful play ended it
While technically not over, the ACC is basically 0-5 in bowls, womp womp.
We could potentially be 5-5 tomorrow night. Bring on heavy favorite Syracuse.
Conference Bowl record has always been a dumb stat, but it's even dumber in the portal era.
But unfortunately the talking heads like it so it matters.
these refs are on the SEC payroll
Reading the thread, man, how bad has the officiating been against GT? Is it worth it to try and watch a replay? I mean I'm curious now but have not watched anything the entire bowl season.
Edit: Oh good lord. Did get to see a YouTube clip of the interference with the punt return that was somehow overturned. That was about as bad as you will see. Were there others that bad?!?
Those were the bad ones but the refs also just completely lost control of the game for awhile surprised a full brawl didn't start
There were several at that level but several other small ones that killed GT drives.
Arkansas blowing a 20+ point lead in a bowl game, where have I seen that?
UNC sleepwalking against UConn.
Down 10-0
Their defense is bad as usual but with out Hampton and their offensive pieces they're horrible
It's wild how bad UConn is at football. This could be the third season ever that they win 9 games.
They are using a backup QB and the coaches aren't helping him out at all. They keep using wildcat on early downs and then send the QB in for 3rd and long. UNC has 14 total yards and might get the ball once more before halftime. They are making a Corny led offense look good.
Might have been the final nail giving up that TD on 4th and goal.
UNC has run 12 offensive plays so far.
UNC got into FG range with 14 seconds to go only to throw a pick.
ACC now 1-7 and about to be 1-8
Don't worry, I'm sure the football gods will make sure Iowa State loses to Miami.
ACC!!! ACC!!! ACC!!!
UCONN is the all time points leader in the Fenway Bowl after just barely eclipsing the Ferentz line today.
Perfect example of how one blown call can change a game. Dylan Raiola slides late, getting hit as he starts. So he gets up in the BC defenders face and starts shoving him to sell it.
30 yard swing based on one bad call at the end of a close game.
Yeah he dropped after the BC defender was leaning in. That call was horseshit. Didn't even really hit him either. Most of defender went over the top.
Defenses are non-existent in the Pop Tarts Bowl, first to 100 points is going to win.
Reminds me of the NBA all star game
59 combined points in first half. Been like watching Pong where the paddles are the end zones.
Cam Ward looks like he is sitting out the 2nd half
ISU QB should have gotten an unsportsmanlike at the end of that almost TD run. Flicking the ball right at the defender.
To be fair, that's exactly what you want out of the pop tarts bowl
Definitely, it's been an entertaining game.
Miami about to blow this one. Cam Ward sitting out killing them.
Cam Ward electing to sit out the 2nd half is the most Miami thing to ever happen.
This is a battle royal between how bad the ACC is vs. how bad my luck with sports is. Will ACC suckiness lose out vs. my teams always losing?
Apparently yes.
Indeed. The ACC circle of suck is as strong as a black hole to overcome my bad luck. Now I can actually watch the recording as something came up yesterday and I could not watch live.
Him and Mario deserve every bit of flak and more for that move. Selfish.
Cam Ward quitting on his team at halftime is genuinely stunning.
Either sit out from the game or see it all the way through. Quitting like that is just so shitty
Really thought he would go back out for that last drive.
Not stunning at all- If he had one team/winning bone in his body, he would have stayed and built Incarnate Word into a champion at that level. OR he would have stayed at Washington State and won there. This is the least surprising thing bowl season in 2024. A mercenary- by definition- that only cares about himself and his money quitting on is team in a winnable bowl game is actually the most predictable thing on earth now. Expect more of the same. Cam Ward cares about his bag- period. He doesn't give a shit about Miami, Wazzou, etc, doesn't give a shit about his teammates. And I wouldn't either if everyone made excuses for me too- "he could get hurt" "the game didn't mean anything" etc. Like I said... the fans- a vast portion of them wanted college football to be a total shit show with no rules and NFL salaries. That is the sad thing.
Damn yo
the acc is pretty historically bad if these bowls are saying anything..
*looks at our record*
hmm
The ACC is finally as bad as everyone said it was 15 years ago. Of course, 15 years ago it was just a narrative that was being pushed by the sec. Now it's actually true.
Eh I disagree - the ACC has had three good seasons in the last quarter century - 2013, 2016, and 2020. Teams in conference routinely underachieve (Miami, NCst, UNC, etc), frequent losses to G5 teams, frequent losses to SEC rivals (like, how did Lamar Jackson never beat Kentucky???), bad bowl records, etc.
The on-field product in the field has been lacking for a while now. The new SEC/B10 deals (and the conference expansion that accompanied the new contracts) is/will make the issue worse.
Nah, I think VPI is a bit closer to it. The constant pro-SEC propaganda that's been clogging up the airwaves since about 2006 has never had more of a grounding in reality than it does right now. The playing field was a lot more level when it started.
Yea, the playing field was more level in 2006, when conferences were smaller, and the monied programs were more evenly distributed across 5+ conferences.
Yes, the SEC has a brand that no other conference (including the B10) has. That's all marketing. And within the last decade, it's paid dividends for SCar, Ole Miss, and the traditional SEC little and middle class.
But SEC schools have won more national titles than any other conference. In the last 20 seasons, only thrice has the SEC had a losing record in out of conference games (source). This post from 6 years ago shows that the ACC preforms worse against the G5 than the SEC.
TL;DR, two things can be true:
I was talking about this general topic with a friend last night - one of the less visible things to the casual observer that's happened is the changes to the middle of the sport at all levels. There's so much more talent on the typical middling SEC and BIG team now that playing the #6 or #7 BIG/SEC team is comparable to playing a top ACC or B12 team. Rutgers may be average, for the BIG, but the level of talent they have is just so much higher. The peaks are much higher, but so is the floor in the P2.
Very good chance that our depleted roster gets rolled by Minnesota's depleted roster next weekend. And then we will open against an actually pretty good USCe team in 2025.
Setting my expectations accordingly.
Yeah, the money thing is going to rip the knob off. And while the occasional David might be a Goliath here and there on the long run it's a stratification of the sport. The NCAA either through inaction or direct decisions has made things less competitive and interesting for anyone who isn't in the top 10% of the sport and that's a real shame. So much ink and eyeball minutes are spent on the playoff, when the vast majority of the participants are playing a completely different grade of the sport. This isn't just a VT problem.
I agree, I'm just saying this isn't just a marketing thing (and ACC schools/leadership share a lot of the blame). The ACC's on the field on the field product has been underwhelming for a while now. And that started before the SEC circle jerk was mainstream.
100% agree - I put the inflection point at 2010/2011. That's when, as I like to say, the world changed and we missed the opportunity to do anything about it.
The biggest thing imo was the botched ACCN launch.
So much went wrong.
Add- giving ND a great home for their olympic sports, a more predictable schedule with ACC games of their choice and location of course in exchange for....... drumroll....... not a fucking thing.
Yeah bending over for ND was a terrible decision for the ACC and I hated it from the word go. Fucking dipshit conference
The best deals in life and sports are where both sides get some or equal value. In this case, the ACC got nothing. zero.
Exactly this. The ACC has had inept (looking at you JP and JS) and/or corrupt leadership (looking at you JS) for too long.
There are legitimate arguments for and against the ND deal, but suggesting that it was anywhere remotely near as impactful as the botched ACCN launch is absolutely ludicrous.
The ACCN was announced at least 2 years late, and then took thrice as long to implement as any other conference network (and then took another 3+ years to get Comcast to carry it) - that right there is at best $75m of lost revenue per school (assumes ~$15m/school over 5 years).
ND gets about $6-$7m per year from the entire ACC.
The impact is order of magnitude different.
Oh im not saying it was worse, I'm saying it has no benefit to the ACC, in fact its a net drain on the conference, IMO. The real lack of vision was the ACC holding onto the romance of regional sports- raycom and the friday of the ACC tournament of yesteryear... that was a clown decision- not realizing until hit in the head with a hammer that football drives the bus- and then they just became reactionary. Remember this is the league that wanted Syracuse- a school that didn't WANT to leave the Big East over VT- at the time a much better football brand. This is a conference that abandoned its academic standards and accepted louisville. why? fucking hoops that's why. Every decision - their little raycom network, the TV deal, adding the teams they added all were basketball decisions. They thought- incorrectly - of course that ESPN would overpay for ND football in terms of ACC home games- nope... so here we are. The only decision they didn't make for basketball was not fighting to keep Maryland in the conference.. They fucked this up in many ways... BUT it's not like the Pac 12 - now extinct- and the Big12 got much better deals from ESPN either.
It's simply not true that the ACC didn't get anything from the ND deal.
How many times did VT play ND before that deal?
So that's what VT and the ACC- which is on its last breath in case you haven't noticed- got from the deal? Games with ND in football? Well fuck me, what a deal. Those games have really helped VT's program and recruiting I tell you.
Playing Notre Dame has value.
May not be of value to you, but it was of value to the Hokie fans who went to those games.
I'd agree that Notre Dame got the better end of it than the ACC, but not that it has no value for the ACC. VT got a quality opponent for a good number of games. Sometimes VT has had trouble scheduling these, and certainly wouldn't get more than a one and one ten years from now. (I'll refer you to VT's Wisconsin series). I'd much rather see VT play Notre Dame than Maryland or East Carolina.
the ACC got nothing of value.
suppose I did a deal with you where you give me full access to all of your bank accounts and in return you merely get to look at my shed. You're getting something. But most people would fairly accurately conclude that you got nothing from the deal.
Yes- whenever David Teel writes a million word essay on what the TV deal "wouldn't" be or what schedules "wouldn't" be without this deal, you are simply arguing hypotheticals- and by definition there is no actual value. ND didn't "raise the profile or TV deal"... no you are simply predicting what the ACC couldn't do without it. That is by definition not value.
My uncle, who passed away last month, was a big Notre Dame fan. Also a VT fan.
He got to see VT play Notre Dame four times. All after this deal with the ACC.
Yes, it's a sweetheart deal for Notre Dame, but how atrocious would the network deal have been WITHOUT Notre Dame games?
I agree.
I think much of the downplay is because some people have a massive irrational hate of ND.
Your last point is what I take issue with. If you have to make up things and argue hypotheticals- whether you are trading in your car or trading ND a top tier home for their olympic sports and stealing one of your conferences top bowls- if hypotheticals are what you use to sell the deal, its a shitty deal for you. Period. If the car dealer tells you ... well if you go down the street you are really going to get a shitty deal perhaps... yeah he got the better end of it. Bottom line is the ACC is on life support and the bowl agreement is worse than ever. ND did nothing meaningful for the ACC.
the most frustrating thing about the ND deal is that we should have beaten them at least two more times. We were at least competitive in all the games save maybe one, for whatever that's worth.
15 years ago the ACC was hammered in the media as being incredibly weak. Has the ACC ever been dominant? No. I'm not saying that. Were they bad? No. They weren't great, granted but the gap between the ACC and the other leagues wasn't as massive then as they wanted you to believe. It is now, tho.
Based on what?
The bowl showing in the portal era where our top 2 teams had to go on the road in the playoffs and everyone else is dealing with portal reduced rosters devoid of their top talent?
This same confernce had a middle of the pack team take their conference champion and defending 2x National Champion to 8OT on the road but I guess that just doesn't matter because Miami's backup QB wasn't prepared to play.
They've always been this way which is why it sucked leaving the BE. ACC expanded because FSU was going to leave. They were something like 70-1 in the ACC at one point. Then in 2004 I told everyone we'd be 2nd to Miami in football (i got one game wrong) amd 4th in basketball (I got one game wrong) and everyone doubted me and then asked how i knew, because the ACC was weak. UNC, Duke, and Wake (at the time) were strong at bball, but everyone but FSU sucked at football. FSU was down that year. We came in and dominated because the ACC was weak. GT won the ACC with the triple option, come on, Bama would have shut that down, LSu would have shut that down, UGA went 8-3 against it in a rivalry game which are just odd sometimes. Iowa, Michigan, and OSu would have stopped it easy. Wisconsin too. The only thing the ACC had going for it was location for recruiting, now that is less of an issue and it's really destroying the ACC.
I'm not sure I agree with how this narrative of yours does everything but give VT any actual credit for its own accomplishments in this time period. Surely we weren't secretly bad the whole time.
I will die on this hill: the expanded ACC with us, Miami, and BC was a very nationally competitive league in the mid-late 2000s, and they could've gotten even better. But they never got a chance to develop staying power thanks to the previously mentioned rise of the cult of Ess Eee See.
VT wasn't bad, but we weren't world beaters. We were a quarter away from the championship game in 2007, but we had been taken to the woodshed by LSU who actually won the championship that year. 2006 we did t have a QB but might have been a champion contender if Marcus wasn't immature. Outside of those two years our best year was when we lost to JMU or when 9-3 Clemson beat us soundly twice. Our record against top 5 and top 10 speaks for themselves. We were good, we won a lot of games and we made a lot of great teams work for it, but we always feel short. It's really hard to be a great teams it's really hard to be a consistently good team so I'm not trying to take anything away from the team or what they accomplished, but from 2004 to 2012, FSU and Miami weren't great and often not good, and Clemson was still clemsoning. Ee played better competition in the 90s than the 2000s.
Correct. VT is bad now. Bad. Back then we were not.
The expanded ACC coincided with both FSU and Miami cycling down (Bowden was entering his twilight years, and Larry Coker was losing control of the institutionally corrupt Miami program by that point). VT was the most steady and consistent team to carry the conference banner, but it wasn't enough to sustain it. Couple that with several of our high profile flubs on the national stage. The expanded ACC, had VT FSU Miami and Clemson all been able to get their act together at the same time, could have been compelling. But when VT's biggest challenge during some of those years was BC, not great for conference perception.
Couple that with the fact that most of the original ACC was just soft and never going to be a serious football conference. FSU literally dominated the league from their entrance to expansion. I honestly think if not for FSU joining, the ACC might not have gotten a Bowl Alliance/BCS auto bid.
The ACC has just been too Tobacco Road/basketball centric for far too long. They have had no vision for the league and just have a policy of appeasement. Remember Miami was the big fish for expansion to appease FSU for football, and the other original add was Syracuse instead of us to appease Tobacco Road for basketball. BC was a horrible pick to get us to 12, and then the 2012-13 expansions with Pitt and Cuse were totally unnecessary and solely geared around basketball. While everyone else was focused 100% on football.
Keep in mind that of the ACC nine bowl losses, a backup or 3rd string QB has played at least a half in 6 of them. That's just the QB position.
Miami was without their top two WR and three guys in their secondary plus a few others. They were up 31-28 at the half...and then Ward opted out
Hokies at this point project to have what? Seven starters of the 22? Or is it lower?
Bowl evaluations of any kind at the conference level are kind of a joke but more so in this Portal/Draft Opt Out reality.
Quite frankly, anyone trying to make broad stroke determinations about a team or conference based on bowl performance in the portal and opt out era is an idiot.
Either an idiot or a talking head with programming slots to fill, but I repeat myself.
NC State taking the ACC down another notch it appears. Down 20-7 to ECU right now
Good thing you don't have to win to get paid
1-8 on the way to 1-9
The ACC really cheated us out of that Miami win just for those clowns to end up losing the pop tarts bowl.
And yes the refs are like reason #8 on the list of reasons why we lost that game, but you'll never be able to convince me the call from Charlotte didn't tell them they had to reverse that call despite there not being irrefutable evidence in order to preserve undefeated Miami
nc State with the lead
I had no idea Snoop was sponsoring a bowl game. lmao
these refs are about to job ECU
ball don't lie lol
Somebody explain to me like I'm five years old: how is Shadeur Sanders considered a first round NFL talent?
I've probably watched five of his games either at JSU or CU (which is admittedly a small sample size), and I have never thought he was an above average college quarterback. Usually those guys don't become franchise QBs.
And you can say his OL is bad so he will look bad. Which is true. But then are we just imagining that he will be good if he gets a good OL? (which teams drafting QBs in the first round basically never do)
Same reason Hunter was the the Heisman....social media optics overwhelming real evaluation.
NFL QB scouts routinely wish in one hand, while shitting in the other.
Shedeur is a pretty good starting quarterback with one of the worst OL in the power 4.
While not all of his decisions are perfect (he pulled a David Wilson earlier and pushed them out of FG range), he's consistently having to buy time with his legs, throw on the run, and get passes out extremely quickly.
The biggest hurdle for college quarterbacks adjusting to the NFL is the speed of the game. He's already being tested with this.
And not every team is convinced that he is the answer- it only takes one to pull the trigger and draft him.
TL;DR- he's a lot more of a known product than guys who look good but never get tested in college.
The only difference between Shedeur and Manziel is that we haven't seen a documentary where Shedeur never attended a class at CU... we might... but for now apparently he has seen the inside of an academic building perhaps. They are the same- the bad mechanics, the plays that won't be there in the NFL, the medicore size and arm. I'm guessing Shedeur is not a total druggie punk... but I don't see a long/great NFL career for him. Not big enough, bad mechanics, not a great arm.
With Manziel, there were at least a fair amount of wow plays in college. Most people that watch the NFL probably still didnt think it would work but he was at least great in college. Shedeur doesn't come anywhere close to college Manziel from what I've seen
NC State driving for win and pick on a terrible tip by the RB. Hit him in both hands.
ACC 1-9
NC State - snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Watching BYU just shellac Colorado warms the soul. Sanders looking mediocre at best.
The fight at the end of the NC State/ECU game was fitting for both trash fan bases.
A ref got cut in the face from a helmeted head butt.
Even after the ass kicking BYU put on Colorado, these were the headlines and slant afterwards....which was exactly how the broadcast crew called the game.
This was the first tweet from ESPN about the game.
I enjoyed this one though....Big XII Barstool
Just ESPN being ESPN.
Brand over reality, every single time
My unpopular opinion is that Deion didn't get enough media flowers for his coaching job this year (last year... different story lol).
I'm kind of on this wavelength too. I don't know if he'll ever be able to get a complete team together in the FBS; I think his scorched earth method was more like going all in on a lottery ticket. (I mean, he only really had to make waves and win a little in the short term in Boulder; having a son who's a pretty good quarterback and a #1 ranked recruit in the nation on your roster who stays healthy and has no issue playing every snap has to help with that).
Counterpoint, they basically had the same SOS as SMU and Indiana. And having a glaring weakness as bad as that OL is not really impressive roster management.
But going 9-4 without a functioning OL is actually kind of impressive from a game management perspective. I figured they wouldn't make a bowl again if their line was just as terrible as last season, and it pretty much was.
Yep. I also thought firing Sean Lewis and hiring Pat Shurmur was insanely stupid. You're gonna hire a career NFL guy to lead an offense without a functional Oline?
Yet again, I was proven to be an idiot.
Alabama is really showing their CFP worthiness right now.
SEC teams don't get up for bowls that aren't the natty. Its how WVU killed UGA and Utah killed Bama, etc. SEC teams need the bowl to be super important to get up for it.
Of course it'll get reported both ways. If the SEC team losses it was because the bowl didn't matter and if they win it's because there's such a competitive team culture in the SEC (unlike those other conferences) that every game is important no matter what. I think there are enough examples of both mindsets playing out year-to-year on different teams and individuals in various situations that it's hard to make a clear generalization that "the SEC" does one or the other.
The past 25 years, you could intelligently argue- backed by facts, that the very top- very top of the SEC is better than other conferences consistently. You could argue that. Florida with Meyer, Bama with Saban, UGA- ironically were labeled underachievers under Richt, LSU. Stop right there. Compare that era with the top of the B1G- OSU, Penn State, Michigan, wisky or FSU/Clemson etc. That is really the only argument the SEC has- that the very top of its league has been better than others the past 25 years. The whole conference? nah- not close.
I mean, since the BCS started in 1998, the SEC has a winning record against every power conference (except the against the now defunct big east, funny enough), and has the best overall winning percentage against power conferences of any conference by a wide margin (source).
Not going to lie I was ready to pull the but the SEC doesn't play out of conference games against Power teams. Those stats on the surface say quite the opposite. I more they get to pad those numbers with a few cross conference rivalries but dang
The SEC typically doesn't play out of conference home–and–home games against P4/5 non-rivals. But they typically do well in neutral site kickoffs, bowl games, and rivalry games.
I understand why people are critical of how the media puts the SEC on a pedestal, but I think it's possible to hold that opinion, and simultaneously recognized that the SEC has been the most consistent and overall best conference over the last two decades.
Atlanta doesn't really count as a "neutral site" game. That's the only place they play a "neutral site".
Former VT commit, Alex Orji, is playing QB now due to an injury.
He played a bit at the beginning of the year. His arm is limited to say the least and they're warming up their freshman to maybe play over Orji. Not too upset at this point we never landed him.
Annnnnddd that's why they don't let him throw
Orji will be in the portal if we want him again. They just signed two stud QBs.
That's a room I think we have plenty of talent in with Pop and Drones at least staying through the next portal period and I'm high on Brand that we just brought in as a Fr.
Would rather use those spots to elevate some other positions or add depth where we have none.
Agree- Drones and Pop are fine as a 1-2 if they are healthy. We have plenty of other needs- OT, DT, CB, etc
Already is in the portal.
Bama just got away with a blatant hit out of bounds
Really don't understand Michigan running the ball right up the middle there. No attempt to go around the edge at all.
ESPN got to start up the excuse machine....oh this team beat Ohio State too who is in the playoffs. Blah blah
Quality loss to a 7-5 team.
Will ESPN argue Alabama should move up into the top 10 with the close loss to a Big 10 team?
If they don't, I'll be shocked. Since I avoid E$ecPN as much as possible, I will only hear about somewhere.
This was said during the game "don't let the stats & poor play fool you...Milroe is probably the best QB in the country. If he remains at Alabama he's the 2025 Heisman favorite"
Guy couldn't complete a ten yard pass consistently today.
"Listen, we focus too much on wins." - Kirk Herbstreit, last week
Which is why Alabama actually won this game - Herbstreit probably
Already an underlegged comment...
Lololololol Kirk
https://x.com/kirkherbstreit/status/1874193580811858097?s=46
The responses are gold
I almost feel bad for him but then I remember I don't.
Wait a minute, there was a Big 12 vs Big 12 bowl game? Ugh I hate conference expansion.
Yes because BYU still qualified for one of the PAC12 spots until the PAC2 gets it figured out.
Louisville looking good so far. Running backs having a hell of a game.
Louisville blew a 2 TD lead with 8 minutes left. Gets bailed out by UW going for two and failing
UW got bailed out by a phantom PI on 4th down. They also fumbled the ball through the end zone after that. So Louisville managed to survive a lot.
I thought the PI was legit but agree on the fumble. Cornerback never tried to locate the ball. Flag for it was hella late though.
Definitely should have been a turnover on the fumble. Louisville never should have been in that position though. They started calling offense like Michigan in the 4th Qtr.
Tough first half for Frosty in the Baylor game. Will see if they can make a game of it after blocking the FG, getting the FG before half and getting the ball first in the second half.
I hope USCe runs a train on bret now. Trash
Why would Bret's substitution signal make Shane that mad. I mean the guy was dropping expletives after the TD pass about it.
Shayne was going off the rails. I bet he tries to slug Bret at post game handshake
Because bret is slowly making the substance and then taunting Shane w it. I can see why Shanenis mad, but that's classless from bret. Just play and coach the game. No need to do that while your kid is hurt on the ground.
Yeah, if I'm a injured player and I find out my coach is using my being hurt as an excuse to get on the field to taunt the other coach, I'm punching that SOB in the mouth and heading for the portal.
Shane is making me want VT to go scorched earth on him Week 1 next year. We have to get that monkey off our back.
I am so glad Shane is not our coach. He cannot control his emotions and is nothing like Frank. A large contingent of our fan base still wants him in Blacksburg. I want Pry and Co with two Wahoo assistants to boat race him next year.
Some people think a coach throwing a temper tantrum like a 5 year old means he cares about winning and a coach calmly taking notes on the sideline like a professional doesn't care about winning.
Results business. Mike McDaniel wears joggers, smokes dope and doesn't get results. He will be fired soon. Jim Harbaugh is ultra intense and quickly has the chargers in the playoffs. There is no one way to coach a team. Parcells and Gibbs were polar opposites. Saban and Pete Carroll are opposites.
I totally agree. I only care about Pry winning football games. My comment was directed towards those going off on Pry because he's taking notes on the sideline when a ref screws us over instead of trying to stab the ref to death with his pencil, John Wick style.
The coach not yelling at refs enough isn't why we are losing football games.
Pry let the refs hear it in the bowl game and got a 15 yard penalty to boot.
Bret delayed the substitution so long that there wasn't enough play clock left to run pre snap motion and forced Beamer to use a timeout.
I for one hate the rule that the official stands over the ball if offense substitutes to allow the defense to complete substitutions. If offense is ready to go, defense should have to be ready.
I for two!
Thx for the details. Now I get it.
Leggety Leg Leg for you.
I'd be fine with that as long as any defensive player within 5 yards of the sideline and obviously in the process of exiting the field could not be flagged for illegal participation. Actually, that should be the rule already.
I actually like the rule. If the offense substitutes late, the defense should be able to. But they should change it such that they stop the clock while the substitution takes place. You see it where the defense is obviously moving slowly and you get delay of game calls. Has to be a way to allow the defense to match a substitution but not allow the play and game clock to run.
A better method might be to add time (7 seconds?) to the play clock (game clock keeps running as normal) to prevent the defense from gaming the substitution to get a delay of game.
So I just keep subbing and run the clock out and you never get the ball back for a Hail Mary sounds good to me.
You can limit it to one set of subs (I think this might already be a rule).
Anyone with a brain knew that ND was not actually going for it on 4th down from their own 10 in a playoff game. Genius, defensive championship elite coach Kirby Smart should have fucking known that. They are on their own 10... they are trying to fucking get you to jump offsides assholes. Football 101. No chance Freeman was lining up and actually going for that on his own 10. Zero chance.
Yeah Kirby got outcoached. As I send the defense in I'm screaming do not jump offsides. Or don't move at all. They were obviously bluffing and the D-line fell for it hook line and sinker.
Meh, do what Frank Beamer always did... any even remotely questionable fake punt/punt situation, he simply left the regular defense out there and put one guy back to field the punt. Kirby should have just left his base defense out there - ESPECIALLY if he thought they were stupid enough to actually snap it on 4th down. You want your base defense in there anyway. Especially when they are all 4 and 5 star NFL prospects.
Yeah, exactly.
Georgia did exactly what Notre Dame wanted them to do. Perfect execution.
Either this or determine a good amount of time to get players on the field and if the offense subs with less than that time penalize them.
So what if the offense subs out an extra lineman for a speedy receiver with 7 seconds to go the defense shouldn't be able to match that? Yes the defense should be able to sub but there should be a limit on how long that process can take.
Or subs an entire punt unit for the offense. That was wild and I'm not really sure what the answer is here to make it 'fair'
all of that nonsense, the swinging gate, all that bullshit is chicken shit. Line up and play the game- don't use chicken shit punt formations that bend the rules and try to trick the opponent. Line up and fucking play.
6:20 left in Baylor/LSU game. Baylor kicking off down 44-31.
Announcer: "If I am Baylor coach, I am kicking off. Your defense has played well all game so you trust them."
Ummm, they gave up 44 points already?!?
On 3rd and 11, they give up 17.
Insult to injury, they hold them to force punt, take the punt back for a TD only to get hit with roughing the kicker....
Game,set,match
I felt like I was watching a Justin Fuente-coached team on that play. Baylor had several chances to get within striking distance and just could not finish. Heck, even at the very end you get a TD with 20 seconds left you can at least try an onside kick and hail Mary. But no.
Yeah can't believe how bad they failed on scoring at the end. It was painful to watch.
Man it's early but Boise also looks pretty bad/overmatched. Thanks to PSU's playoff path are we going to have to wait another week to reveal our DC??
Line play certainly displays the difference between B1G NIL and MW NIL.
Penn State just got away with the most aggregious offensive pass interference I can remember seeing. If they score now before halftime, that's a huge blown call.
If he didn't push off twice that ball is probably intercepted.
Pedo state just got away with a blatant OPI before the half. 🤷♂️
Drinking
Man, I was really rooting for ASU against Texas... They had their opportunities. I'm not sure how the 4th quarter targeting was not ruled targeting. That would have put the ball in field goal range, given ASU a first down and potentially set them up to win the game. Not that one play makes/breaks an entire game, but now we're likely going to get exactly what we don't want - an all BiG, SEC final 4. I don't know if I can muster the strength to root for ND. This is a lose-lose for every conference other than the BiG and SEC.
ASU pulled a VT... Get off the field on a 4th and 12 for Texas- 4th and 12 yes, and you win the game. But they did what mediocre defenses do- they couldn't get a stop when it mattered. 4th and 12 is impossible against a good defense. Texas has a guy wide open. They couldn't get a stop when they absolutely needed one. And they lost.
Final 4 -
PA State- Big 10
Notre Dame- ACC
Texas - Big 12/SEC
Ohio St - Big 10
It's nice to put ACC there but we get $0 from ND making it while the other teams split with their conference.
Duke on 3rd and 1 on Ole Miss 31 yard line decides to pass twice in a row with their backup QB....
Certainly a choice Manny Diaz...
Duke getting absolutely dogwalked...
340 yards of offense for Ole Miss at halftime
Expected. Ole Miss is ranked 12, Duke 25+.
Yeah and Ole Miss has all their guys. Duke missing QB1, RB1 and RB2 plus four other starters
Yeah, Old Miss beating up on Duke's scout team impresses me not at all.
Unfortunately this may be us tomorrow
Minnesota is no where as good as ole miss
Do they need to be? /s
Exactly. Hokies are missing what?
QB1 out
RB1 out/RB2 out
Three Starting OL out
Lane/Felton Out
Two or three DL Out
Brumfield
Lawson
Strong
Delane
Phillips
Stroman
Did I miss anyone?
OLC, DC, S&CC
Sadly, we are (probably) nowhere near as good as Duke.
Hoping for better next season. Improved OL could make everything better. Will have to wait and see.
It may very well be, and if Minn starters are in at this point I'll be hoping for non-career-ending injuries just like I am now.
Minnesota names that may sit out include (LT) Aireontae Ersery, (LB) Cody Lindenberg, (WR) Daniel Jackson, (RB) Marcus Major, (C) Tyler Cooper and (OL) Phillip Daniels. That's a lot missing from the offensive line but they have QB1/RB1 and all but one WR.
So, who are these guys?
A French banker
A black and white era pilot
A President's brother
A reject from Catch 22
A tire manufacturer
and the cousin of a famous actor.
Don't seem to amount to much.
yes but he's our very weird person
Bud coaching up the defense, we could beat Duke.
One can dream, anyway.
/s
Kiffin running up the score isn't going to have the effect I think he thinks it will. Waiting for a dumb ass tweet and everyone using it as fodder.
Gotta love Biberty getting blanked right now.
Came here to say just this. Bibberty without Salter is getting run over. Literally. Buffalo has 140 of their 143 yards on the ground.
Bibberty just kicked a 14 yard punt. The wind in this Bahamas Bowl is brutal.
This field for the Bahamas Bowl is complete dogshit. They did patches with white sand.
They should just get rid of the grass and have a beach volleyball style game.
Nobody needs an ACL
Can't say I disagree with any of that. The cost for tickets to the Mayo Bowl was insane. Kept me from making the trip out to Charlotte, and that was before we had 13 starters opt out. The experience just isn't worth the cost when so many players sit out to get a bigger payday elsewhere.
Bowl games should become straight up exhibition games that don't go on the win loss record.
I don't think fans will pay much for that. But they absolutely are 100% meaningless when half of one or both teams aren't even playing.
Of the ACC's 11 losses, 8 of those games the ACC teams had 2nd or 3rd string QB in for at least a half and were missing at least 6 starters.
Seven games had 2nd or 3rd QB in the whole game.
Six of the losses the ACC was missing at least 10 starters between opt out/portal.
The point I have been making to anyone who will listen is that the acc had their best players sitting out bc they are transferring out to get the $$ while sec/b10 schools had their worst players opting out to transfer "down"... The NFL opt outs are more uniformly distributed but the acc is most afflicted with underclassmen contributors leaving.
Hokies now have had 9 transfer to P4 schools.
I would bet most ACC teams were similar.