Boy is that a cat nip click bait title targeting VT fans! Title calls us a "dark horse" and then the article goes on to point out that we are +3500 and that there are 8 teams with better odds than VT. So taken another way, those details say we have some of the worst odds and sports books rank VT in the bottom half of the ACC. After the 2024, I think I would much prefer the "disrespected underdog" role to the "dark horse" role.
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Actually, I think calling us a dark horse candidate to win the ACC is a stretch. But I don't think it's absurd to believe we could win 8 or 9 games.
We had at least 2 or 3 games last year that we should have won. Not could have won, that happens to every team. We had multiple games that it took something really improbable or controversial (duplicate numbers vs Vanderbilt, ref bias in Miami, etc.) for us to lose the game.
And it looks like our roster next season may be pretty similar, talent-wise, if not even a little bit of an improvement.
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All depends on LB and OL. If there are talent upgrades (on OL) and coaching upgrades (on LB and OL) the this team will be fine, despite the talent lost in the secondary, at receiver, and at RB.
Can't wait to see how this plays out
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- Hopefully Drone will be uninjured and can play well with a better Oline
- I don't think we replace Tuten, we just hope to have decent backs
- We took a hit at WR losing Lane and Gosnell, Jennings and Felton are eh. I don't think Greene and Sheldon replace Lane/Gosnell, but they were good pickups. Adams now has time to shine and hopefully he will but he is still young so we need to give this group some time
- TE should be better because they both are older and have more experience
- Oline is a huge question mark other than Rimac. The two other WVU xfers are both RS FR which is good and bad. But it will be hard to not be better than last year and Moore has 3 guys that have been taught. by him for a. year so I expect to see improvement which will help Drones and the RBs a lot.
Overall it's really tough to say this group is better than last years. I think they can be based on improved Oline play, but our WRs need to grow up fast.
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Yeah Oline is super hard to project. Rimac is the only one i am 100% sure will start. I think the OT from WVU will probably start just because of bodies at tackle but nor sure LT or RT. I hope some one is learning to play center because Nitta was not it in the bowl game.
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I would have to imagine with having a year of development at C in Moore's system and as a top high school recruit, you can write Altuner's name in pen as starter. I honestly don't know who else would even be in real competition with him based on current roster. Maybe can get an C in the Spring portal, but good experienced OL in the Spring portal (1) hard to get and (2) 15 practice days and several dozen hours of film behind.
They should be looking for a C in the Spring portal to develop behind Altuner. And of course, if the unicorn does exist in the Spring portal, you do what you can to get him to Blacksburg.
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This is harder to judge with not knowing what defense we will run, kind of
- Burgos looked great in the spring game but eh all season, Nelson has been good but not great and both had a lot of help from Peebles and APR this year, Bell, Djonkam are both not APR and Nash is not Peebles, but that's okay if our defense plays like 1 team and not 3. Siefkes can hid coverages and give the DLine more time which they are good enough to take advantage of but they arent going to be the disruptive force that Peebles and APR were
- Linebackers depending on whats going on could be a lot better, Djonkam played MLB and was a very good one. Woodson got better as the season went on, and Bass hopefully brings some solid LB play (he's already acting like a UGA player so we have that going for us) and Williams hopefully can overcome what was just a horrible time for him, I know everyone here wishes him the best.
- CBs are a down grade, they might be good, but they arent Delane and Strong. They might have better years because Safety play is better, but there are some huge shoes to fill
- The Safeties/unknown LB/S/CB position could be a lot better. Jenkins was very good in his role so he will be harder to replace but Mose just wasn't in position most of the time and he could have been coaching as he was always too high. It will be interesting to see who plays where but Covil, Cash, Flowers all bring talent that is needed.
So while most units are not as individually as good, the biggest issue with our defense was there was a lot of individual play. If we can play as a unit and adjust we can be a lot better. We were the 39th defense in scoring and 57th in yards and both of those were heavily added in the 2nd half of games. Just making adjustments would have won us Miami (21-10 2nd half), Cuse (35-17 2nd half) and maybe Clemson (24-7 2nd half)
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Yeah defense to me is just an absolutely huge question mark. I think Woodson, Copeland, Gilliam, Burgos, and Lovett play a lot, and all except Woodson we know what position. There are a ton young guys in the secondary who could either surprise or disappoint along with all the transfers. Then there are the DL transfers who again we have no idea how they'll actually stack up to what we already have, both established and underclassmen.
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I don't know how it will shake out but, yup we aren't as good as last year. Again we could play like a single unit and be a better team but the pieces aren't close to 2024.
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We had a D2 kid starting at RB the last two years.
Here I'll just reply for dc since I've seen this interaction loop on every thread about next seasons players:
"If we're thinking we're going to get a Tuten out of every D2 player we take we're in trouble, that's not a strategy for success" or something along those lines.
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I liked TKP offseasons where the threads would devolve to mayonnaise better than this offseason where we have seemingly the exact same sub threads in every single football topic.
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It's good to know that Pry's strategy is "We found this kid Tuten from NC AT that can tote the rock, this will work every time we reach for a player at that level". I like this. I see big things in the future.
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Just kidding, I'm actually on Team Optimism for 2025. I don't think we'll be world beaters, but the roster is fairly solid, and I think we've probably upgraded the OL and DC coaches. I could see between 6 and 8 wins, if we can avoid 2024's facepalm moments.
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We haven't won 8 games in 5 years. By any objective measure/data- the 24 team was more talented than this team is going to be. We don't know if the new coaches are upgrades or not at this point. I'd take under 6.5 wins and feel good about it. Schedule is tougher (on paper) in 25 as well.
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LMFAO- Like McAfee this year - these people don't watch the fucking games. Yeah, we play a lot of one score games- against bad teams of course. We never get a critical stop on defense. We can never move the ball consistently on offense against a good team. Its a huge tuten run or long 50/50 ball. This is a 5-6 win team in 2025 at best if you actually watch the games. New OL, huge questions at safety, no depth at corner, lost 4-5 NFL prospects and gained zero. We need to be real. We are not competing for ACC Championships anymore.
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Once upon a time college football teams were made up of student athletes from the respective university they played for. This brought with it eligibility criteria that was meant to maintain some semblance of an actual student athlete relationship.
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Notice how the most ardent supporters of NIL, endless eligibility, decoupling ballers from the university as students are also huge UFL/USFL fans. Ever notice that? Oh wait... they aren't. They wouldn't watch semi pro football if you paid them - because nobody does. They aren't NBA G league fans either. They couldn't name one team. Funny how that works.
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Interestingly enough, there weren't clear national rules for eligibility until after World War II. Previously eligibility was determined by conferences or schools. Even going back to the 19th century there were controversies over "tramp athletes" who would play for different schools without being enrolled -- doing the transfer portal before it was cool.
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How many times did Hunter Carpenter play UVA? I mean the guy couldn't compete as a freshman and then played like 5 seasons at VT, 1 and UNC and then another at VT.
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No, no, this sounds wack too. I don't wanna play Cam Ward for the rest of the decade, or let Kyle McCord play for half the ACC before he's done. I don't know what about this sounds appealing to people
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Yeah, we play a lot of one score games- against bad teams of course.
Each of the five teams we lost to by one score (Miami, Vandy, Syracuse, Duke, Rutgers) finished the year with a winning record. Three of those teams finished with >9 wins, and two finished ranked in the final AP poll.
This just hits on a pet peeve of mine where fans call every team that doesn't make the post season 'bad'. "Alabama was bad this year" - no, they were indisputably one of the top 25 teams out of the 134(?) FBS teams.
We had five one-score losses to top 40 teams. I would call Miami and Syracuse 'good'. I would call Duke and Vandy 'decent' and Rutgers 'mediocre'.
I would say VT was quite mediocre this year. A top 40ish team. Good compared to FBS. Bad compared to what we were 15 years ago. Mediocre compared to Power teams.
We never get a critical stop on defense.
Hence why the DC was fired.
We can never move the ball consistently on offense against a good team. Its a huge tuten run or long 50/50 ball.
Facts! We were slightly worse (relative to the rest of FBS) at moving the ball consistently (overall success rate of 41% - 42.5% is considered good for a college football offensive) than we are at big plays (1.28 avg EPA on succesful plays; 0.9 is considered good).
these people don't watch the fucking games.
Did you read the article:
Virginia Tech is +3500 at FanDuel Sportsbook to win the ACC Championship. At FanDuel Sportsbook, Clemson, Miami, SMU, Louisville, Georgia Tech, Florida State, North Carolina, and Duke have shorter odds than the Hokies to win the conference title.
That sounds about right to me. +3500 means that VT has ~2.77% chance of winning the ACC. That seems quite reasonable IMO.
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My man is flexing Vandy Cuse Rutgers and Duke in football. What a time to be alive. Seriously. Rutgers sucks- I saw them with my own eyes this past year. Vandy was 6-6, and Duke had zero good wins. Come back to reality. We didn't lose to top 20 teams by one score.
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we play a lot of one score games- against bad teams of course.
Which is, of course, incorrect once again. "Bad" is of course subjective but relies on objective measurements in order to be bolstered into a coherent argument.
In this case, measurements disagree with your subjective opinion.
It sounds more like reflexive trolling for legs.
EDIT: Check answer 2 posts below this one.
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I can't be hurt if my expectations are low, right? right??!!
I actually was letting myself get cautiously optimistic with the Siefkes hire but the Bowen news has knocked me down several pegs. I think Bowen sees Pry as a lame-duck coach and that's a big factor in his decision to jump, especially at such a late stage of the game. He probably saw the DC search and knew who the top targets were and who we weren't able to get. He probably figures he's safer as the OL coach for a national championship caliber team than to be the OC for VT. That tells me he doesn't think very highly of VT's potential. And now I think Pry has a huge challenge in front of him to bring in a new OC. In all likelihood, we're doing complete rebuilds on both sides of the ball and with not very much talent. It's going to be ugly and I don't think Pry has the time to flounder through growing pains. He needs to win 8+ games in 2025 or he's out and I just don't see how that is possible with brand new coordinators. My excitement level for VT football in 2025 has just taken a massive hit. I'm now expecting 3ish wins and a painful season for a lame duck coach. And my outlook for his replacement is grim. VT just can't keep up with the big dogs. The ACC has royally screwed us and there's no making it up at this point.
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He needs to win 8+ games in 2025 or he's out and I just don't see how that is possible with brand new coordinators.
I'm now wondering if Whit will view it the same way and justify giving Pry at least through 2026 due to the sudden, unexpected loss of Bowen no matter the results in 2025.
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I would also factor in that he can't be deaf to the calls people had to fire both OC and DC and now he is the one left. Doesn't hurt to get a reset with more money, especially if you feel the walls closing in and need to make up for "technical debt" of getting overhired and want to build up your skills before answering the question of if you failed completely.
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Perhaps poorly phrased. I meant two new coordinators. I thought Pry's lowest risk option was to replace one coordinator and rebuild one side of the ball at a time. The highest risk options were keeping both or replacing both.
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I think i've seen this one somewhere before...
Insert Groundhog Day gif here. Jeesh!
Boy is that a cat nip click bait title targeting VT fans! Title calls us a "dark horse" and then the article goes on to point out that we are +3500 and that there are 8 teams with better odds than VT. So taken another way, those details say we have some of the worst odds and sports books rank VT in the bottom half of the ACC. After the 2024, I think I would much prefer the "disrespected underdog" role to the "dark horse" role.
So we're going to win an ACC title *and* I can make a bunch of money off of it? Nice. 😎
Actually, I think calling us a dark horse candidate to win the ACC is a stretch. But I don't think it's absurd to believe we could win 8 or 9 games.
We had at least 2 or 3 games last year that we should have won. Not could have won, that happens to every team. We had multiple games that it took something really improbable or controversial (duplicate numbers vs Vanderbilt, ref bias in Miami, etc.) for us to lose the game.
And it looks like our roster next season may be pretty similar, talent-wise, if not even a little bit of an improvement.
13-0
The thing is, Bob, it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care.
All depends on LB and OL. If there are talent upgrades (on OL) and coaching upgrades (on LB and OL) the this team will be fine, despite the talent lost in the secondary, at receiver, and at RB.
Can't wait to see how this plays out
I dont think SI had any credibility, but if they did it's now gone.
Cocaine is one he'll of a drug
This is beyond coke. PCP? Toad Venom?
Yeah, no.
.. on what planet
Well hey, if they make clickbait articles for us, we must be a decent brand, right?
I will always upvote George C. Scott, native of my hometown, Wise, VA.
25 qt. here.
bra-vo!!!
b.street
Offense:
- Hopefully Drone will be uninjured and can play well with a better Oline
- I don't think we replace Tuten, we just hope to have decent backs
- We took a hit at WR losing Lane and Gosnell, Jennings and Felton are eh. I don't think Greene and Sheldon replace Lane/Gosnell, but they were good pickups. Adams now has time to shine and hopefully he will but he is still young so we need to give this group some time
- TE should be better because they both are older and have more experience
- Oline is a huge question mark other than Rimac. The two other WVU xfers are both RS FR which is good and bad. But it will be hard to not be better than last year and Moore has 3 guys that have been taught. by him for a. year so I expect to see improvement which will help Drones and the RBs a lot.
Overall it's really tough to say this group is better than last years. I think they can be based on improved Oline play, but our WRs need to grow up fast.
I imagine the old-man Schick will be playing in the 2-deep, at least.
Yeah Oline is super hard to project. Rimac is the only one i am 100% sure will start. I think the OT from WVU will probably start just because of bodies at tackle but nor sure LT or RT. I hope some one is learning to play center because Nitta was not it in the bowl game.
I would have to imagine with having a year of development at C in Moore's system and as a top high school recruit, you can write Altuner's name in pen as starter. I honestly don't know who else would even be in real competition with him based on current roster. Maybe can get an C in the Spring portal, but good experienced OL in the Spring portal (1) hard to get and (2) 15 practice days and several dozen hours of film behind.
They should be looking for a C in the Spring portal to develop behind Altuner. And of course, if the unicorn does exist in the Spring portal, you do what you can to get him to Blacksburg.
MEGA JESUS 2!
Ghannam was #1 before he got hurt last year
Defense
This is harder to judge with not knowing what defense we will run, kind of
- Burgos looked great in the spring game but eh all season, Nelson has been good but not great and both had a lot of help from Peebles and APR this year, Bell, Djonkam are both not APR and Nash is not Peebles, but that's okay if our defense plays like 1 team and not 3. Siefkes can hid coverages and give the DLine more time which they are good enough to take advantage of but they arent going to be the disruptive force that Peebles and APR were
- Linebackers depending on whats going on could be a lot better, Djonkam played MLB and was a very good one. Woodson got better as the season went on, and Bass hopefully brings some solid LB play (he's already acting like a UGA player so we have that going for us) and Williams hopefully can overcome what was just a horrible time for him, I know everyone here wishes him the best.
- CBs are a down grade, they might be good, but they arent Delane and Strong. They might have better years because Safety play is better, but there are some huge shoes to fill
- The Safeties/unknown LB/S/CB position could be a lot better. Jenkins was very good in his role so he will be harder to replace but Mose just wasn't in position most of the time and he could have been coaching as he was always too high. It will be interesting to see who plays where but Covil, Cash, Flowers all bring talent that is needed.
So while most units are not as individually as good, the biggest issue with our defense was there was a lot of individual play. If we can play as a unit and adjust we can be a lot better. We were the 39th defense in scoring and 57th in yards and both of those were heavily added in the 2nd half of games. Just making adjustments would have won us Miami (21-10 2nd half), Cuse (35-17 2nd half) and maybe Clemson (24-7 2nd half)
Yeah defense to me is just an absolutely huge question mark. I think Woodson, Copeland, Gilliam, Burgos, and Lovett play a lot, and all except Woodson we know what position. There are a ton young guys in the secondary who could either surprise or disappoint along with all the transfers. Then there are the DL transfers who again we have no idea how they'll actually stack up to what we already have, both established and underclassmen.
Djonkam will probably play a lot too
If a D2 kid is our 2 deep at corner- we have huge effing problems. Huge.
I don't know how it will shake out but, yup we aren't as good as last year. Again we could play like a single unit and be a better team but the pieces aren't close to 2024.
We had a D2 kid starting at RB the last two years.
Here I'll just reply for dc since I've seen this interaction loop on every thread about next seasons players:
"If we're thinking we're going to get a Tuten out of every D2 player we take we're in trouble, that's not a strategy for success" or something along those lines.
And? who else? Any other D2 starters the past 30 years?
Logan Thomas
LOL - the juxtaposition here is something. not word for word, but essentially exactly right.
I liked TKP offseasons where the threads would devolve to mayonnaise better than this offseason where we have seemingly the exact same sub threads in every single football topic.
It's good to know that Pry's strategy is "We found this kid Tuten from NC AT that can tote the rock, this will work every time we reach for a player at that level". I like this. I see big things in the future.
Yeeeeeaaaahhhhhh I'm not falling for this again. You done got me the last 11 years, I think that's enough.
But maybe....this time it'll work for us! (Insert Arrested development meme)
Narrator Voice: It didn't.
Just kidding, I'm actually on Team Optimism for 2025. I don't think we'll be world beaters, but the roster is fairly solid, and I think we've probably upgraded the OL and DC coaches. I could see between 6 and 8 wins, if we can avoid 2024's facepalm moments.
We haven't won 8 games in 5 years. By any objective measure/data- the 24 team was more talented than this team is going to be. We don't know if the new coaches are upgrades or not at this point. I'd take under 6.5 wins and feel good about it. Schedule is tougher (on paper) in 25 as well.
I want to be on team "over" for win total. I just.....can't.
"How many times can you convince me that this is our year?" ..... "At least once more Miss Swann, as always"
LMFAO- Like McAfee this year - these people don't watch the fucking games. Yeah, we play a lot of one score games- against bad teams of course. We never get a critical stop on defense. We can never move the ball consistently on offense against a good team. Its a huge tuten run or long 50/50 ball. This is a 5-6 win team in 2025 at best if you actually watch the games. New OL, huge questions at safety, no depth at corner, lost 4-5 NFL prospects and gained zero. We need to be real. We are not competing for ACC Championships anymore.
I feel like the OL and the defensive playcalling/adjustments are bound to be upgrades.
We should be pretty good at QB.
HE SAID WE ARE NOT COMPETING FOR ACC CHAMPIONSHIPS ANYMORE!!!
That's right 13-0 baby!
Not just the ACCC.
Question is who is going to be #1 QB? Drones, Schlee, or Watson? Rumor has it Schlee is not gone maybe infinite eligibility will help us for once.
I'd like to understand what's going on this topic more. Anyone got reliable info?
From 1901-2019; Schlee would have exhausted all eligibility rules. But here we are.
Oh boohoo who cares about eligibility requirements? Let them play as long as they like, who gives a shit?
yeah, why have competitive balance in the sport? Why not squeeze donors forever to pay the same guy for 8 years?
Once upon a time college football teams were made up of student athletes from the respective university they played for. This brought with it eligibility criteria that was meant to maintain some semblance of an actual student athlete relationship.
Notice how the most ardent supporters of NIL, endless eligibility, decoupling ballers from the university as students are also huge UFL/USFL fans. Ever notice that? Oh wait... they aren't. They wouldn't watch semi pro football if you paid them - because nobody does. They aren't NBA G league fans either. They couldn't name one team. Funny how that works.
Isn't there a G-League team called the Funk? If not, there should be. They'd market the G-Funk Era, all punked out with a gangsta twist. ;^)
Interestingly enough, there weren't clear national rules for eligibility until after World War II. Previously eligibility was determined by conferences or schools. Even going back to the 19th century there were controversies over "tramp athletes" who would play for different schools without being enrolled -- doing the transfer portal before it was cool.
How many times did Hunter Carpenter play UVA? I mean the guy couldn't compete as a freshman and then played like 5 seasons at VT, 1 and UNC and then another at VT.
He was 1-7 against UVA as a Hokie and 0-2 as a Tar Heel.
No, no, this sounds wack too. I don't wanna play Cam Ward for the rest of the decade, or let Kyle McCord play for half the ACC before he's done. I don't know what about this sounds appealing to people
Tyrod plays for VT for a decade.
He would need a different angle than the Pavia argument. He used 4 years of eligibility at D1 schools.
Kent St did waste a year of his, having him play 43 snaps over 8 games. Maybe he's arguing for HC incompetence?
Each of the five teams we lost to by one score (Miami, Vandy, Syracuse, Duke, Rutgers) finished the year with a winning record. Three of those teams finished with >9 wins, and two finished ranked in the final AP poll.
This just hits on a pet peeve of mine where fans call every team that doesn't make the post season 'bad'. "Alabama was bad this year" - no, they were indisputably one of the top 25 teams out of the 134(?) FBS teams.
We had five one-score losses to top 40 teams. I would call Miami and Syracuse 'good'. I would call Duke and Vandy 'decent' and Rutgers 'mediocre'.
I would say VT was quite mediocre this year. A top 40ish team. Good compared to FBS. Bad compared to what we were 15 years ago. Mediocre compared to Power teams.
Hence why the DC was fired.
Facts! We were slightly worse (relative to the rest of FBS) at moving the ball consistently (overall success rate of 41% - 42.5% is considered good for a college football offensive) than we are at big plays (1.28 avg EPA on succesful plays; 0.9 is considered good).
Did you read the article:
That sounds about right to me. +3500 means that VT has ~2.77% chance of winning the ACC. That seems quite reasonable IMO.
My man is flexing Vandy Cuse Rutgers and Duke in football. What a time to be alive. Seriously. Rutgers sucks- I saw them with my own eyes this past year. Vandy was 6-6, and Duke had zero good wins. Come back to reality. We didn't lose to top 20 teams by one score.
Which is, of course, incorrect once again. "Bad" is of course subjective but relies on objective measurements in order to be bolstered into a coherent argument.
In this case, measurements disagree with your subjective opinion.
It sounds more like reflexive trolling for legs.
EDIT: Check answer 2 posts below this one.
What good team did we lose to by one score?
Miami
Didn't take long for that title to come true
Came here to say this
I'm glad he was ready.
Checking in: I'm not hurt. I'm just disappointed
I can't be hurt if my expectations are low, right? right??!!
I actually was letting myself get cautiously optimistic with the Siefkes hire but the Bowen news has knocked me down several pegs. I think Bowen sees Pry as a lame-duck coach and that's a big factor in his decision to jump, especially at such a late stage of the game. He probably saw the DC search and knew who the top targets were and who we weren't able to get. He probably figures he's safer as the OL coach for a national championship caliber team than to be the OC for VT. That tells me he doesn't think very highly of VT's potential. And now I think Pry has a huge challenge in front of him to bring in a new OC. In all likelihood, we're doing complete rebuilds on both sides of the ball and with not very much talent. It's going to be ugly and I don't think Pry has the time to flounder through growing pains. He needs to win 8+ games in 2025 or he's out and I just don't see how that is possible with brand new coordinators. My excitement level for VT football in 2025 has just taken a massive hit. I'm now expecting 3ish wins and a painful season for a lame duck coach. And my outlook for his replacement is grim. VT just can't keep up with the big dogs. The ACC has royally screwed us and there's no making it up at this point.
I'm now wondering if Whit will view it the same way and justify giving Pry at least through 2026 due to the sudden, unexpected loss of Bowen no matter the results in 2025.
I was thinking he had until 2026 anyway.
But with changing out both the OC and the DC, it makes even more sense.
Consider this Year Zero
He is probably getting at least a 30% raise in switching to anOSU. That also factors into it.
I would also factor in that he can't be deaf to the calls people had to fire both OC and DC and now he is the one left. Doesn't hurt to get a reset with more money, especially if you feel the walls closing in and need to make up for "technical debt" of getting overhired and want to build up your skills before answering the question of if you failed completely.
And it was possible keeping the coordinators? The definition of insanity would be keeping the same coordinators and expecting a different result.
Perhaps poorly phrased. I meant two new coordinators. I thought Pry's lowest risk option was to replace one coordinator and rebuild one side of the ball at a time. The highest risk options were keeping both or replacing both.
In another shot of deja vu
Drones for Heisman?
No shit he's a long shot lol. His odds are only slightly better than mine
SI needs to be banned from the earth at the point of at least tkp