http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/68865/mel-kiper-jr-makes-his-picks...
Thomas as a tight end, what do you think?
...OKAY KIDDING
But read the paragraph after (or read the snippet I am about to copy and paste)
According to ESPN Stats & Info, Virginia Tech had an AQ-high 36 drops last season. If the Hokies had caught just half of those passes, Thomas completion percentage would rise from 56 percent to 61 percent.
I knew drops were a factor, but if there were just HALF as many, it would be a totally different outlook on Thomas.
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That is a pretty drastic statistic. 61%, probably another 250-300 yards or so on the season. There is a good chance that is another 10+ drives extended if we make those catches. That could have been the difference in a few games.
Didn't a poster here come to the same conclusion with his "Catcher Efficiency" stat?
http://www.thekeyplay.com/content/2013/october/16/logan-thomas-his-recei...
I still don't think this would change the perception with those that matter in regards to him getting paid next season. They are focused on his mechanics and will have already taken into account the dropped balls when watching film on him. Might it have changed our fan bases thoughts on him or the outcome of a few games? Sure but I think its more about his feet and his release motion for the pro scouts.
I'm sorry, but...
...and the deceased equine flaggellation continues...
I must have really upset some people with this...
i bet if you replaced the horse with a cavalier it would be green in about 5 min
Someone with gif-making talents should just replace the man with Bud Foster and the horse with a cavalier.
Just got that the dvotes were.due to HOAT
Hokie horse solidarity!
It may have been because of me but I myself did not downvote. It does hurt to see that, though.
LT3 is the same QB that got cheated by the ref and nearly beat Michigan in his sophomore year. He was a top 5 QB then and is still a better QB now. The only difference is that he had an inexperience cast around him when he returned for his Junior and senior years. In the NFL he will have better talent around him and hell become a better QB. Any QB guru can see that.
He won't make it past the fourth rd. All it takes is one hc or qb coach to say I can reach this guy to their, but no one can coach this kind of size, arm strength, athleticism. And then take that chance
No granted that might be because they give him a shot at QB and have in their minds he could be a heck of a TE if all else fails.
My guess: LT3 is taken late in the 2nd round by a team with an established QB. They try them at QB to win 2nd string during training camp, but by week 4 he's catching TDs.
I'm sorry but Ur not gonna pick a guy In the second rd to switch his position. And yes that switch could be made but LT just has too much arm talent to not be a qb. His mechanics have already improved greatly over the last year and a half of actual qb coaching, and nfl qb coach will be able to continue that. I'd like Chicago to get him. That head coach os a qb guru
Here's why I think he'll be drafted in the 2nd round. He's the 2nd best athlete in the draft. Period. And Clowney may be the best athlete of the past decade.
My guess, the 49ers will take Logan. They have 2 second round picks and Harbaugh was at Logan's pro day. Why was Harbaugh there? Is he looking for a QB? Does Harbaugh like multiple TE sets? Hmm...
Prime Example of a QB being selected based on ahtleticism: Tebow was picked in the 1st Round by Denver Broncos. This is what John Gruden had to say:
"It's not just about playing quarterback, it's about adding him to your football team," former Tampa Bay Bucs coach and ESPN NFL analyst Jon Gruden said. "Who knows when he's going to play, what he's going to play, how he's going to play? But you are adding one big-time human being on your football team."
Time will tell, but Logan's athleticism will get him drafted higher than his QB potential. How high? I predict the 2nd round, but we'll find out next month.
The case was nicely made, by you. Very well put.
Leg up.
Real good chance harbaugh was looking at Kyle fuller. They need corners bad.
This was why Harbaugh was there. There are reports the 49ers may use their first round pick on Fuller.
I would dread Logan going to the 49ers for his sake. I still have flashbacks to what the 49ers did to Jim Druckenmiller's biggest attribute, his size. They put him on a massive weight loss plan where he lost like 35 lbs and he was never the same as a QB again. They were trying to mold him into the same fit as Steve Young because he had shown mobility at Tech but mobility more like Logan, go around the end and knock you unconscious with a shoulder to your head type running, rather than dancing around the backfield type running. I would hate to see them try to do the same type of thing to Logan to be more like Kaepernick.
Druck had other issues of course but the weight loss really seemed to take away his power arm and smashmouth running. It was all downhill from there, to the Dolphins, and then the Arena/XFL for a couple years.
Isn't that the problem, though? That there is no place in the NFL for a smash-mouth running QB? At that level, either a QB is an elusive runner or he's a pocket passer. Am I wrong? Isn't that why Ben Roethlisberger has 1,135 CAREER rushing yards, and Tim Tebow is an analyst?
But Druckenmiller had the arm that Tebow doesn't. I would compare Druck more to Cam Newton in terms of size and mobility. Newton has over 2000 yards rushing already and he still has quite a few more years to build that stat. It was the unfortunate group of coaches that had Steve Young and wanted another that doomed Druck. If they had left his size alone and still worked the plays like Young I think he would have been fine.
There's always room in the NFL for a QB that can smash the ball but can also throw it on a rope. Cam Newton, Donovan McNabb, Culpepper, heck, even Elway never backed down from lowering the boom. Just as long as you don't overuse the abilities and make it your fallback crutch, these kind of guys will always have a place in the league.
It seems like a no-brainer for the Steelers to draft him as a QB prospect. He is basically a Roethlisberger clone and the Steelers were letting people know (allegedly) that Big Ben was on the trading block as early as last season's trade deadline. You let Logan learn behind Ben while he plays out the rest of his contract and you can plug him right in with little to no change in offensive philosophy if (and more likely WHEN) Ben goes down or moves on.
Damn. She needs to take a nap. Must be all of the hard work she does. *sarcasm*
she'd probably be happy this doesn't show her yawning twice in the same outfit.
She wouldn't be caught dead yawning in the same outfit 2 times.
For point of reference:
If Logan had a 61% pass percentage, that would put him 60th in NCAA. He would be in the same category as the following ACC QBs: Tom Savage, Chase Rettig, and Pete Thomas. At 61% completion, 50% of NCAA QBs would have a better passing percentage than Logan.
Partially off topic, but I wonder what everyone's completion percentage and yardage would be if you counted all throws behind the LoS as running plays instead of passing.
You'd have to change the rules of the game for that.
Suck it haterz.
This sounds a lot like 'We were just 3-4 missed tackles/blocks away from winning the game...' If we really want to look at 'Dropped passes' as a metric, we need to know what the statisticians are ruling a dropped pass. Is a dropped pass one that glances off the outstretched fingertips of a lunging receiver? Or is it one that bounces off his chest?
Then we need to review the numbers. We were at 36 drops for the season. For simplification, let's say the stats don't count bowl games, even though they do. By ignoring bowl games, we put everyone on the same number of games - 12. Thus, we dropped 3 passes per game, on average. How does that compare to everyone else? The comment said we lead all AQ conferences, which implies non-AQ conferences might produce higher numbers. But did we lead by a lot or a little? Is 24 dropped passes the mean, or is 12? If we half the number of dropped passes so LT can reach the 61% completion rate, that means we drop 1.5 less passes per game. What are the yards per pass attempt numbers? If we use those do they translate into actual extended drives and scores? Would they negate other passes that Logan completed, to create a virtual wash? What if one long bomb dropped were caught? Would that wipe out 5 short/midrange completions down the field in a march that followed the drop? It's just a whole lot more than one stat. Especially considering the recent stats on our inability to score, it's quite possible that nothing was really changed other than LT having a better completion percentage. That's why I say it is like the '3-4 plays away' excuse, it has no real meaning unless you examine the context. If it's not an equine stat, then it is a bovine stat. Either a dead horse or a moo point. If this is just about Logan's draft status - much of what is tossed out now is just to keep everyone salivating over the draft. Logan's best attributes are his physical numbers, his least are his mechanics. He'll be drafted by someone for the same reason Russell Wilson was not drafted by some - his physical numbers. He'll be downgraded by some for the same reason Wilson was drafted - his mechanics. What does it all mean? It means you have to wait until May to find out who takes him, and then you might have to wait years to find out if he can 'make it' as a starting QB in the NFL. In the mean time, radio shows and message boards stay busy.
Except that you assume passes were dropped evenly spread across games. We know that is not true.
It would be more effective to examine the individual games and either assume catches that should have been easy or more catches in games that had higher numbers of drops.
Then factor in that a more effective passing game breeds a more effective run game which then breeds a more effective WR corps in getting open.....
The highest drops in the AQ is actually a very telling stat.
No, it's not telling without context, which was my point. I also stated - 1.5 drops per game - which doesn't mean spread evenly, it just means on average. Again - define a dropped pass. Look at context. Was the dropped pass on 2nd down, then we converted on third down anyway? Would it have been a long completion, and did several shorter completions follow the long dropped pass? As for 'highest drops' being telling? Not without context. What was the average? The mean? Did five other AQ teams have 35 drops? Did no other team have more than 18 drops? There's no context with the stat, so it is arcane & pointless.
If you searched around for a second, most other ESPN articles that reference dropped passes in the stats archive state it's "incomplete passes where the receiver SHOULD have caught the pass with ORDINARY effort."
And what down the pass happens on isn't that much of a problem with the context of the discussion. However you do have a point when it comes to how does that stack up against other teams. It would be nice if ESPN would have linked to that data to give some perspective. But you should know from watching games that it was mind boggling how many passes were just dropped by receivers all year compared to watching the team we were playing.
Even if we didn't know the context, which we do - ESPN uses the definition as a catch that would have required ordinary effort, we know it's applied evenly across all teams and we have the highest number of all the other teams we reasonably compete against. that includes the ACC.
Recognize that some of these also represent interceptions where it went through the hands of a receiver. Not all just represent a loss of down.
I don't know what the average is but, 36 ordinary effort drops in 12 games is a really, really horrible number.
National average for completions per game is 18-19. ACC average is 18.3.
That means 3 drops ave per game represents almost 20% of the average number of weekly receptions per game. A HUGE number.
BTW, Sam Rogers had the highest passing efficiency rating on the team of 175.6
VT NCAA stats for 2013.
Logan Thomas stats
Not including the bowl game, 391 passing attempts. 9.2% of the passes were drops that should have reasonably been caught horrible number.
17.46 completions per game.
This is a dropped pass.
This is not.
And just for good measure and love of MXC, "LET'S GO!"
Mxc is the Tits, sucks its not on spike anymore
Its on Hulu +
Haha, my dad co-created MXC. I'm proud in a very odd way.
61% isn't exactly lighting the world on fire. The Top 10 ends with Tajh Boyd at 68.5%. A 61% flat would have him tied with Kevin Hogan of Stanford at 59th nationally. For someone tied at 26th nationally for pass attempts, to be that low would still be a telling stat. Of the QBs in the 25 spots ahead of him in pass attempts, only 6 would have a pass completion % lower than Logan's if you were to raise his to 61% (currently, Tommy Rees of ND and Taysom Hill of BYU have lower %s). So even if you allowed for half our season total in drops to be converted to completions to give him the benefit of the doubt, he still would have a completion % that falls barely outside the bottom quartile of the guys with as many or more pass attempts as he had.
Judging from that, unfortunately, I'm not exactly sure a collective "I told you so" is in order from this post.
I think most are considering it a big deal because 60% completion percentage was one of LT's (and Loeffler's) publicly stated goals before the season started. It's an "I told you so" because if the supporting cast were a little better, the goal would have been met.
He also said he wanted to throw only 5 INTs on the year, and we all saw how that went.
I'm not going to take either side on this. Logan had a great season for us in 2011, and had spurts where he played exceptionally well. He also had long stretches where he played exceedingly bad and cost us some games. I wish him a great career at the next level.
Whatever happens with him in the NFL, I just don't like the fact that I know there will be some out there who will be constantly trying to rub out noses in it about how they were right all along in regards to LT3.
Yep, the poor guy played his heart out for VT and could never seem to please. He will always have detractors, and as you say, those who will always have an "I told you so" for something.
And there are just as many who will jump at the chance to do the same vice-versa because they put anything in regards to VT on far too high a pedestal.
Its why we had so many bicker-fests over Jim Weaver and Bryan Stinespring in the past. Some just refuse to acknowledge there are faults, regardless of how obvious they may be.
Now now, let's not have an "I-told-you-so" about the "I-told-you-so"s
Check the stats, son. LT3 threw five FAINTs.
It's difficult for QBs to set goals when all your completions depend on communication and rapport with your skill players.
Setting goals is easy. Accomplishing them is another matter.
We had skill players?
ZINGGGGGG!!
Until I saw these tweets, I had never made the connection that Arizona Cardinals head coach Bruce Arians is a Hokie. Not sure why I had never connected the dots on that.
Hopefully LT has some inside track here with the shambles that the Arizona QB slot has been.
Really? He was mentioned a lot a year or so ago on several VT-related message boards. You must have missed the whacked out internet talk about Arians some day replacing Frank Beamer after he retires? All, of course, because he is a former Hokie QB and of course he'd give up an NFL HC job to be a candidate and because only a former Hokie footballer could qualify, etc... Quality content, for sure.
Why wouldn't he?
VT is the end all be all of coaching spots. At least that's what it says according to the Alum07 Power Rankings.
Yeah I wasn't really on any Tech message boards until stumbling onto TKP. Even when I did come here back in 2012, I really didn't get hooked until I needed to vent about the basketball team starting back in December/January timeframe. Since then, TKP is basically half my day in one way or another.
One of us! One of us! One of us!
what is that structure being built behind the east stands? Last season there was speculation that the footings going in were for cell coverage boosters, but that looks like some kind of building..
Per Hokiesports.com:
I would imagine a system like this would probably need a building to complete the connections to the cell grid/power/etc. Best I can give you. Guess its something to check out next season when the games start.