I think the "public business happens in public" point is a good one and one that may have an impact on VT athletics in the next few months given all the moving parts around AD and coach search.
I'm not advocating for every single discussion to be public, just that we make sure we are dotting our teas and crossing our eyes.
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Have been listening to a couple podcasts down here the last couple weeks, from Ovies and Giglio to Adam Gold and... Yeah, this whole thing is getting messy. Long story short, boosters and university administrators made the decision to hire Belichick without consulting their AD, Bubba Cunningham, and did it all behind closed doors. Now, with everyone realizing this was probably an absolutely terrible decision, they're now trying every avenue possible to legally get out of the contract.
Its worth pointing out that the majority of journalists and news people here in NC come out of UNC and its system (to be fair, every public university in NC is a part of the UNC system). For decades there has always been a good relationship between UNC and the media.
This is an effort by UNC to use public pressure to get themselves out of a bad deal. They know what they're doing, and its only going to get messier before its resolved.
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This feels like it's two shades too cute if it's an inside job. A former provost who clearly wasn't a fan of the actions at the time quits as a result of them and then files a lawsuit airing all of the dirty laundry surrounding the hire doesn't seem like an effort by UNC to do anything. Feels like they got way over their skis because they could get Bill and now it's catching up with them. I'm sure they'd be fine getting out of it quietly, but this is big and messy. Not sure how that helps them with anything.
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Oh, I should clarify there are definitely 2 sides of the same UNC coin here. There are still people within UNC who are ride or die with Belichick, and this is a power grab by the others to expose what happened to get that power back. Its messy, and its fun to watch
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Surprised I didn't know that. Regardless, the original comment was that journalists come out of the UNC system, as if journalists coming out of any of the 16 universities are functionally identical. I would argue there are probably substantial differences in the ones coming out of the different tiers within the system, and that aligning the universities for that purpose is probably meaningless.
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Couldn't happen to a better bunch of Tarholes! Also Belichick is just taking an axe to his legacy and I'm loving it. Think it's pretty obvious his success was primarily due to a once in a lifetime QB in Tom Brady. Then practically blackballed from the NFL due to how big of a jerk and cheater he was known to be, scams UNC into a college job, gets a trophy girlfriend almost a third of his age. Couldn't write a better script.
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Would you be willing to destroy your career's legacy for multiple millions of dollars? That's what Bill is doing and I think the vast majority of people would do the same thing given the opportunity.
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Me personally, I would retire and find something to do that wasn't what I made my millions doing. I am however not of the same personality as a lot of people that want to work till they die and I haven't made millions of dollars. I'm trying to be done by 55 and do whatever I want with my time. Plenty of things to do in the world that isn't work and there is plenty more to do if you have multiple millions to use.
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In NC? Shit, why bother with that. Just get a place and establish local residency for long enough to qualify for in-state tuition. Then its like $8k per year.
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You work at NC State, right? Not sure if you would know this, but have to ask in case you/someone else here does. If my daughter applies to a place like UNC or NC State from out-of-state, gets in but defers, we move down there for a year while she takes a gap year working, registering a car there, paying taxes ... would she be eligible for in-state tuition when she starts? I'm guessing no as you probably need to establish residency before even applying, but don't know. Curious if you knew.
FWIW, she is more interested in Georgia and College of Charleston than anyplace in NC or VA and I know the rules vary from state-to-state. And her favorite spot in NC was Wake Forest, so private anyway/no impact on pricing there.
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My wife used to work at State, but left about 5 years ago. I'll be honest I have no idea the answer to that. All I know is that you would need to have NC listed as your primary residence when you apply, but not really sure how they determine that.
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Okay, thank you. I've assumed - without really knowing - that schools would 100% find some way to avoid giving in-state tuition to people who move there. Of course, if you go to school from out-of-state and move to that state/work over the summers there/pay taxes there, you should not get in-state tuition. You were already a student and you should not get reduced fees just because you now stay in the state. But if you move there after applying and work for the necessary time to establish residency before starting school, I'm guessing it still would not be allowed.
Guessing we/she have to do something like move to Georgia or South Carolina, work for the year (or whatever the rule for that state is), pay taxes, register the car ... so that you are now an official resident. Only then apply for the first time after already qualifying as an in-state resident. But who knows?
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It used to be filing taxes for 2 consecutive years or something like that. You'd have to live there for 24 months, then file after the second year, so it's like a 30 month qualification process. That's why it's really doesn't get "used" that much because of the timing. They do it this way so you can't just buy a place to avoid out of state tuition.
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Thank you. That does make sense. I remember - albeit from many years ago - that Virginia was supposed to be one of the hardest to get in-state tuition from. Took a quick peek at South Carolina's rules and they seemed to be a bit more lenient. Don't remember the rules off the top of my head, but think one of them was that you had to live there for a year and another is that you had to have your car registered there. What I could never figure out was does that year need to be done before you even apply to someplace like Clemson, South Carolina or College of Charleston or can you actually apply, then move there and work for a year and only start school after the full year working. Guessing it would not be allowed.
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There's a lot of hoops, otherwise all of the juniors and seniors would have in-state tuition...
My roommate at VT was trying to get into vet school. He was also trying to establish VA residency during that time off before applying. If I recall, after 2 years, neither thing occurred. (I know the Vet school is for VA and MD, but they did take students from other locations occasionally.)
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In fairness, I think Belichick was successful because he was good. Sure, having Brady helped a lot, but as VT fans, we know better than most that there are plenty of coaches that do way worse than the talent level on their team. Plus he was a damn good defensive coordinator on the Giant's glory days teams I grew up with before taking over the Patriots. Talent was there to succeed, but still had to have good coaching to be such a consistent winner.
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I think early Pats dynasty Bill was really good and the primary reason for success. Especially with those first three titles. The defense really carried that team, and a young Brady was more just a really good game manager and heady QB. In his later years, I think his defensive prowess was starting to expire and Brady was carrying the team. Especially with those last few titles. Was good in his day and time but I think well past his shelf life as a coach.
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Yeah if anything Belichick is the Trophy and she is the only winner in all of this. He has apparently helped her amass about $8M in real estate from a couple articles I read. Prior to her relationship with him she was thought to have about a $1M net worth due to her modeling career. He helped her buy a "cottage" in Cape Cod and three apartment buildings in Boston.
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Got mine for free(to me) cause it was covered by insurance as trans care and I'd already reached my deductible AND my max yearly out-of-pocket limit!(Hard to fund a surgeon who will jump through the insurance hoops though. Between him, the other staff. and hospital costs- they billed insurance $33k and insurance company paid $16k.
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as a north carolina state tax payer - i simultaneously am mad about them wasting my money and am happy it is being wasted at the same time. I would prefer they just didn't use my money for stupid things though.
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I'm all here for the chaos. Highly doubtful this results in the firing of Bill, which honestly is probably a good thing if we want to see UNC circle the drain while our own house is on fire.
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No the firing of Bill may have to come sooner based solely on the product on the field. No way they let his son rise from the Head Coach in waiting BS either. His son may be the one damaged the most in this whole ordeal.
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I went and looked up the contract details - his buyout is an extremely reasonable $1M. The problem for UNC is that the first 3 years of the $50M deal are full-guaranteed, and a termination now would effectively cost the team another $21M on top of the $10M owed for this year alone. I love it.
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Via @Heel247, "potential exit strategy" discussions have begun at North Carolina regarding Bill Belichick, with reports of rules violations fueling the situation. https://t.co/kmElR7qN7R— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) October 8, 2025
Well that didn't take long
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no, it didn't. Saw some other smoke on IG earlier today talking about the toxic program culture, and Bill refusing to allow anyone at UNC to acknowledge Drake Maye's existence because of Bill's ongoing beef with Kraft.
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Why is that? I already believed him to be an egotistical sonofabitch, just from his coaching style. It's not that much of a stretch to believe that his ego was too big for him to be successful at UNC.
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Brought in his staff full of his NFL buddies and his kids - NONE with college experience in a meaningful way
Fired the support staff when he got there - there's a great ESPN piece about how there was nobody left that knew how to set up a recruiting visit, book flights, etc.
Relentlessly talked about being the "33rd NFL team" which is all well and good but college football isn't the NFL and vice versa.
Every chance he had to bring on staff that knew the college game / college recruiting he chose not to and he's paying the price.
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I mean, I was skeptical he would be nearly as successful at the college level, particularly considering his last few NFL years weren't exactly stellar.
Then the gold digger girlfriend made the situation even more questionable and bizarre.
But this has gone to complete hell waaaay faster than I would have ever imagined. This isn't a regular dumpster fire, but a napalm-filled dumpster fire....and I love every minute of it.
It seems impossible he lasts beyond this year at this point.
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Sounds like they are trying to find "for cause" to get around his 50 mil buyout. The sad part is he has enough money that he could afford to keep them in litigation for years because he wants to until they settle.
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UNC have self reported recruiting violations under Bill. Supposedly Bill would take the $1mil buyout (the buyout for him to leave) if he can get a soft landing with another football team or media .... I dont see how another team hires him and he doesn't have any personality so media makes zero sense.
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So what exactly would one have to do to have a Recruiting Violation at a time when players are openly paid for play, tampering is not only accepted by essentially expected and you can fly Recruits to campus in Private Jets?
Is the NCAA seriously trying to count how many text messages you are sending in this age???
The 1 million buyout is for him to leave voluntarily to go to another job. If they fire him it is for somewhere between 20-50 million based on rumors. That is why they are trying to go for the "cause" excuse which he can afford to tie up in limbo forever with lawyers.
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Maybe they could link Belichek to some type of academic scandal. You know, a well-respected research institute like UNC with high academic standards, but he did something to allow players to get unacceptable academic benefits. Even grades that they did not deserve by tampering with the scores. No was UNC, the NCAA or the academic accreditation organizations would allow that.
Oh, wait ...
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As bad as you think the situation is, its actually worse
EXCLUSIVE: UNC football is a hot mess. Can we interest you in Bill Belichick and Jordon Hudson on a hot mic? pic.twitter.com/L0Y83HpLMy— Pablo Torre Finds Out (@pablofindsout) October 17, 2025
Geez, Bill and Jordon are straight up toxic individuals. UNC really shit all over themselves with this hire.
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...and I saw somewhere that the UNC GM is exploring funding options with the saudis. Apparently doing an exploratory trip over there, paid for by the hosts.
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Not to play contrarian here but is this really surprising?
Bill never exactly made himself out to be a pleasant guy in public...did anyone expect him to be anything other than a miserable jerk in private (or at least what he thought was private)?
And would we expect him to attach himself to a happy-go-lucky woman? She's an opportunist with an axe to grind..that should have been pretty obvious from the get-go.
I generally like Pablo and think the NFLPA and Kawhi reporting he has done has been stellar but this feels a bit like pointless piling on.
UNC clearly should have seen this coming and the fact they dove headfirst into it is quite hilarious but this does little to advance any part of the story to me. The Lombardi-Saudi angle I think is potentially much more impactful.
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Pablo gonna come out of discovery with absolute receipts. The amount of lawyer oversight I imagine he had for the Kawhi/Ballmer NBA story will pale this in comparison
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I'm not a legal professional in any way, but I'd have to think that in the first half hour of communication with a lawyer, the phrase "keep this off of social media" has to come up, right?
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Meh, only if you truly want to drag it out. Post it, get some reaction, watch one side scramble, and settle quickly. That's more the approach in the digital world.
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I just noticed it, and I had to look it up. That giant fucking ring on her hand is a D2 Cheerleader national championship ring. Which, I mean on one hand, good for her that her team won something, but then you start to notice it every time she's doing anything sports related, and even in her engagement pictures:
Kind of emblematic to this whole shitshow at UNC which is essentially being run by the head coach's girlfriend who is so narcissistic that she thinks a D2 cheerleader title is on par with multiple Super Bowls, to the point of trying to actively overshadow it when it comes to how to run a college football program.
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Hey Gemini, could you design for me an image of what it would look like if intentionally tacky was a design choice for someone who is living off their rich partner's money, but also wants to prop up their own marginal at best career achievements to be on par mentally with one of the greatest minds to ever exist in a certain field?
Also, I just noticed that she put jewels on her fingernails, with styles to match the rings, lol.
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There's no way it's diamonds then right? Unless Bill paid for it to be reset with diamonds? Makes it a little funnier that she likely has a gemstone ring that she wears over what I assume are diamonds Super Bowl rings.
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She's also involved in "Adult cheerleading" competitions. Which I didn't even know was a thing. My wife showed me a post about it. It only received attention bc Belichek was there, looking like a bum of course.
but soooo cringe....(i don't know how to make it show up below but there's the link)
I don't think that's really cringe there's adult XYZ sport leagues for every washed up HS athlete the part that was cringy was her weird response to the 'news' cycle about it:
"I've loved supporting @billbelichick at his adult all-male football league competitions this season. Until next year, Kenan!"
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Its like trying to compare beer league hockey to... shit, I dunno MLS soccer?
Like, yeah good for you all to still being on a team and having fun at this point in your life, but..... Yeah.... If you really had talent, you'd be employed by a professional sports organization, just saying.
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She's suing the journalist, Pablo Torre, who released a transcript of Hudson and Belichick planning for the cancelled UNC show that would have aired on Hulu as well as rundowns of some of the potential content for it. Torre is the journalist who reported on the Clippers' owners paying Kawhi Leonard extra money via a separate company.
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Pablo Torre, longtime ESPN contributor known for being a guest on Around the Horn, and The Sports Reporters, with other regular appearances on the Dan Lebatard Show, Highly Questionable, and Outside the Lines. He joined Dan Lebarard's Meadowlark Media a couple years ago and started the Pablo Torre Finds Out podcast with regular guests like Mina Kines, Katie Nolan, Dan Lebatard, and John Skipper.
Why this is a bad idea for Jordon Hudson to go after him, he broke news in September that LA Clippers owner Steve Ballmer (of Microsoft fame) actively circumvented the NBA Salary Cap to pay Kawhi Leonard, and the NBA has launched their own investigation after the fact. The guy has investigative chops, and would absolutely wreck someone as callous as JH.
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Is your head coach's girlfriend filing FOIA requests on your school's top comms official a good look? Asking for a friend pic.twitter.com/4CggT8zRUz— David Covucci (@DavidCovucci) December 3, 2025
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Between the bkkak/lsu drama, ped state getting their clock cleaned by JMFF, Lane clowning Ole miss, and unc drama, there is a ton of fantastic content for Hokies fans to really dull the blow of a 3-9 season. I'm loving it. I figured we would have a bad season. I could never have predicted that I'd be having this much fun in December. It's great!
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What kills me is - even with VT's best year recruiting in decades and even with the shit show that UNC is on and off the field this year - they have still out-recruited us.
How the hell can they still have more recruits and a higher average ranking for their recruits than we do? Are there just that many dumb kids that want to avoid going to class? Are they masochists that want to experience the Belichick-Hudson soap opera? Are they thinking they'll get double NIL (one from UNC and one from wherever they transfer to after the law suit blows up)? I mean, seriously? What makes people sign there?
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Everything I saw said they were dropping huge 💰. They took three DBs from Franklin's original class. They also took 39 recruits so next year 40% of their roster could be freshman.
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It might be like that top 5 Tennessee sighed under butch jones where s think only like 3 started amd they were in the bottom 5 of that class. Maybe the top players are not rated accurately and they just take numbers to look good. I mean they've out recruited us for a while but how many of there players would you really want to have at VT. is there a defensive player we would have wanted? They've been terrible for a decade on defense. we might have wanted linebacker not because they were amazing but because mediocre is an improvement for us. Sure Sam and Drake were good QBs and they have had a couple skill players that were good but overall there haven't been recruiting g battles lost that really hurt 4 years later because they didn't pan out at unc.
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Yeah, but in the Transfer Portal era, you have to consider how many of these guys they can even keep?
The rumor has been that both WVU and UNC were throwing bags of cash around in the past couple days and both signed massive classes.
They signed 39 guys....by a quick review, looks like 5-6 who would be slotted to play CB....when it becomes obvious by year one who the top 2-3 are, do you think the others are gonna Stick around??
The other thing I note is that they signed quite a few guys for the Northeast, CA, FL, ect. So when guys like Fran Brown and Deion come calling after next year with the "come back home" message, I bet they lose even more.
With better QB play, they should be more competitive next year but I have very little concern that UNC long-term is going to become any type of Playoff Contender.
In the end, they are run by a bitter old coach who is more interested in being spiteful than helping himself (the whole no Drake Maye on Socials) and a coaching Staff that is equally fueled by ineptitude and Nepotism. Add in a trophy girlfriend who is a constant distraction and a discord between the Athletic Department and Booster base on whether they even want him there and you have a Hindenberg waiting to happen there.
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Money only eventually wins because it can survive constant losing. It can wait you out. VT needs football to win so we make money, UNC doesn't need that money so it doesn't need to win. But if VT doesn't win then we have issues in getting money and then if we can't afford a team UNC can best us even if they are incompetent.
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Their recruiting class is just more proof their academics don't apply to athletes. You would have to have only two brain cells to commit to play there with all of this going on.
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Because UNC is a basketball factory that only mildly cares about football. They will never be administratively aligned for football success, because it will always be second class to basketball.
They can get all the great players they want, but the funding and the coaching and the facilities, they will always lag behind because basketball gets first dibs on everything they do.
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Absolutely hilarious.
I think the "public business happens in public" point is a good one and one that may have an impact on VT athletics in the next few months given all the moving parts around AD and coach search.
I'm not advocating for every single discussion to be public, just that we make sure we are dotting our teas and crossing our eyes.
dotting our teas and crossing our eyes.
LOL
I've been using signal for almost a decade and every time it gets reported on it has features im not sure how i unlock
Bahahahaha
Have been listening to a couple podcasts down here the last couple weeks, from Ovies and Giglio to Adam Gold and... Yeah, this whole thing is getting messy. Long story short, boosters and university administrators made the decision to hire Belichick without consulting their AD, Bubba Cunningham, and did it all behind closed doors. Now, with everyone realizing this was probably an absolutely terrible decision, they're now trying every avenue possible to legally get out of the contract.
Its worth pointing out that the majority of journalists and news people here in NC come out of UNC and its system (to be fair, every public university in NC is a part of the UNC system). For decades there has always been a good relationship between UNC and the media.
This is an effort by UNC to use public pressure to get themselves out of a bad deal. They know what they're doing, and its only going to get messier before its resolved.
This feels like it's two shades too cute if it's an inside job. A former provost who clearly wasn't a fan of the actions at the time quits as a result of them and then files a lawsuit airing all of the dirty laundry surrounding the hire doesn't seem like an effort by UNC to do anything. Feels like they got way over their skis because they could get Bill and now it's catching up with them. I'm sure they'd be fine getting out of it quietly, but this is big and messy. Not sure how that helps them with anything.
Oh, I should clarify there are definitely 2 sides of the same UNC coin here. There are still people within UNC who are ride or die with Belichick, and this is a power grab by the others to expose what happened to get that power back. Its messy, and its fun to watch
For the record, not EVERY public university in NC is part of the UNC system (first and foremost - NC State).
NC State is part of the UNC system. I'm pretty sure every public university is in the system.
Source: father of two NCSU alums.
It is, and is one of the 17 institutions that make up the NC public university system.
Surprised I didn't know that. Regardless, the original comment was that journalists come out of the UNC system, as if journalists coming out of any of the 16 universities are functionally identical. I would argue there are probably substantial differences in the ones coming out of the different tiers within the system, and that aligning the universities for that purpose is probably meaningless.
Couldn't happen to a better bunch of Tarholes! Also Belichick is just taking an axe to his legacy and I'm loving it. Think it's pretty obvious his success was primarily due to a once in a lifetime QB in Tom Brady. Then practically blackballed from the NFL due to how big of a jerk and cheater he was known to be, scams UNC into a college job, gets a trophy girlfriend almost a third of his age. Couldn't write a better script.
Would you be willing to destroy your career's legacy for multiple millions of dollars? That's what Bill is doing and I think the vast majority of people would do the same thing given the opportunity.
Me personally, I would retire and find something to do that wasn't what I made my millions doing. I am however not of the same personality as a lot of people that want to work till they die and I haven't made millions of dollars. I'm trying to be done by 55 and do whatever I want with my time. Plenty of things to do in the world that isn't work and there is plenty more to do if you have multiple millions to use.
Me? I'd absolutely do it. But no way if I already have Belichek money.
Look i dont fault the guy. He's got to find a way to fund his GF's college education when she starts next Fall.
Surprised he didn't start a NC 529 account. Plenty of time for her to age into it
Usually public university employees get free or greatly reduced tuition for their family members...
In NC? Shit, why bother with that. Just get a place and establish local residency for long enough to qualify for in-state tuition. Then its like $8k per year.
You work at NC State, right? Not sure if you would know this, but have to ask in case you/someone else here does. If my daughter applies to a place like UNC or NC State from out-of-state, gets in but defers, we move down there for a year while she takes a gap year working, registering a car there, paying taxes ... would she be eligible for in-state tuition when she starts? I'm guessing no as you probably need to establish residency before even applying, but don't know. Curious if you knew.
FWIW, she is more interested in Georgia and College of Charleston than anyplace in NC or VA and I know the rules vary from state-to-state. And her favorite spot in NC was Wake Forest, so private anyway/no impact on pricing there.
My wife used to work at State, but left about 5 years ago. I'll be honest I have no idea the answer to that. All I know is that you would need to have NC listed as your primary residence when you apply, but not really sure how they determine that.
Okay, thank you. I've assumed - without really knowing - that schools would 100% find some way to avoid giving in-state tuition to people who move there. Of course, if you go to school from out-of-state and move to that state/work over the summers there/pay taxes there, you should not get in-state tuition. You were already a student and you should not get reduced fees just because you now stay in the state. But if you move there after applying and work for the necessary time to establish residency before starting school, I'm guessing it still would not be allowed.
Guessing we/she have to do something like move to Georgia or South Carolina, work for the year (or whatever the rule for that state is), pay taxes, register the car ... so that you are now an official resident. Only then apply for the first time after already qualifying as an in-state resident. But who knows?
It used to be filing taxes for 2 consecutive years or something like that. You'd have to live there for 24 months, then file after the second year, so it's like a 30 month qualification process. That's why it's really doesn't get "used" that much because of the timing. They do it this way so you can't just buy a place to avoid out of state tuition.
Thank you. That does make sense. I remember - albeit from many years ago - that Virginia was supposed to be one of the hardest to get in-state tuition from. Took a quick peek at South Carolina's rules and they seemed to be a bit more lenient. Don't remember the rules off the top of my head, but think one of them was that you had to live there for a year and another is that you had to have your car registered there. What I could never figure out was does that year need to be done before you even apply to someplace like Clemson, South Carolina or College of Charleston or can you actually apply, then move there and work for a year and only start school after the full year working. Guessing it would not be allowed.
There's a lot of hoops, otherwise all of the juniors and seniors would have in-state tuition...
My roommate at VT was trying to get into vet school. He was also trying to establish VA residency during that time off before applying. If I recall, after 2 years, neither thing occurred. (I know the Vet school is for VA and MD, but they did take students from other locations occasionally.)
You don't have to do all that. You can negotiate at the tie of admission to get instate rates.
You forgot and setting up your so-so coaching son to be head coach after you leave Town with your millions.
In fairness, I think Belichick was successful because he was good. Sure, having Brady helped a lot, but as VT fans, we know better than most that there are plenty of coaches that do way worse than the talent level on their team. Plus he was a damn good defensive coordinator on the Giant's glory days teams I grew up with before taking over the Patriots. Talent was there to succeed, but still had to have good coaching to be such a consistent winner.
I think early Pats dynasty Bill was really good and the primary reason for success. Especially with those first three titles. The defense really carried that team, and a young Brady was more just a really good game manager and heady QB. In his later years, I think his defensive prowess was starting to expire and Brady was carrying the team. Especially with those last few titles. Was good in his day and time but I think well past his shelf life as a coach.
The only part of this story I find interesting is the trophy girlfriend.
She's clearly very good at what she does.
Yeah if anything Belichick is the Trophy and she is the only winner in all of this. He has apparently helped her amass about $8M in real estate from a couple articles I read. Prior to her relationship with him she was thought to have about a $1M net worth due to her modeling career. He helped her buy a "cottage" in Cape Cod and three apartment buildings in Boston.
Man, I wish I had breasts....
SaladHokie, is that you???
I have 'em NOW-- but I have too high moral standards than to use em that way...
you can for an investment of about $5000.
Got mine for free(to me) cause it was covered by insurance as trans care and I'd already reached my deductible AND my max yearly out-of-pocket limit!(Hard to fund a surgeon who will jump through the insurance hoops though. Between him, the other staff. and hospital costs- they billed insurance $33k and insurance company paid $16k.
Congrats!! That's awesome.
are you talking about hers or his....
Twin Peaks-era Lara Flynn Boyle would have absolutely had Belichick wrapped around her finger.
My ex-fiancé probably looks up to her as a role model. At least she would have 25 years ago.
UNC Alumni Butthurt!
Look, if we're going to suck, at least UNC can be a garbage fire and Clemson can struggle to make a bowl game.
Somehow that's not much consolation.
But it is of some comfort to see UNC wasting their funds.
as a north carolina state tax payer - i simultaneously am mad about them wasting my money and am happy it is being wasted at the same time. I would prefer they just didn't use my money for stupid things though.
Signal strikes again!
I'm all here for the chaos. Highly doubtful this results in the firing of Bill, which honestly is probably a good thing if we want to see UNC circle the drain while our own house is on fire.
No the firing of Bill may have to come sooner based solely on the product on the field. No way they let his son rise from the Head Coach in waiting BS either. His son may be the one damaged the most in this whole ordeal.
Yea, it's wild how inept they are. Looking worse than a Brent Pry team out there.
I went and looked up the contract details - his buyout is an extremely reasonable $1M. The problem for UNC is that the first 3 years of the $50M deal are full-guaranteed, and a termination now would effectively cost the team another $21M on top of the $10M owed for this year alone. I love it.
Nobody says Beli doesn't know how to write a contract!
God that makes me so happy.
God I hate the Tarholes. I was loud and proud in my opinion that Belichik would crash and burn.
This has potential to be even better than I thought!
My personal favorite is that his buyout number is higher than their football budget!
This has FX Miniseries written all over it.
Maybe have Liam Neeson put on a few pounds to play Bill.
Just need a good Jordon....
Now the Hulu series intended to "feature" the program is being cancelled? The honeymoon is over...
Hahahahahahaha
That's probably a good decision. That would not have been watchable.
The entire Hulu subscriber base would essentially become UNC students, unable to watch UNC Football.
Worthy of a "horror" designation, as you can't unsee it.
Oh I think there would have been a lot of interested viewers from people who loathe UNC
I'd have been torn between hate watching the glorious failure and not wanting to give them the money for my views
The lemon couldn't possibly have been worth the squeeze, but it's good that they removed the temptation.
There might have been some interest from Bravo's "Housewives of" viewership in Jordan Hudson, the girlfriend .
Jordon Hudson
Well that didn't take long
no, it didn't. Saw some other smoke on IG earlier today talking about the toxic program culture, and Bill refusing to allow anyone at UNC to acknowledge Drake Maye's existence because of Bill's ongoing beef with Kraft.
When this inevitably ends and we look back on it, the hubris of Belichick and his team will be almost impossible to believe.
Why is that? I already believed him to be an egotistical sonofabitch, just from his coaching style. It's not that much of a stretch to believe that his ego was too big for him to be successful at UNC.
Brought in his staff full of his NFL buddies and his kids - NONE with college experience in a meaningful way
Fired the support staff when he got there - there's a great ESPN piece about how there was nobody left that knew how to set up a recruiting visit, book flights, etc.
Relentlessly talked about being the "33rd NFL team" which is all well and good but college football isn't the NFL and vice versa.
Every chance he had to bring on staff that knew the college game / college recruiting he chose not to and he's paying the price.
I mean, I was skeptical he would be nearly as successful at the college level, particularly considering his last few NFL years weren't exactly stellar.
Then the gold digger girlfriend made the situation even more questionable and bizarre.
But this has gone to complete hell waaaay faster than I would have ever imagined. This isn't a regular dumpster fire, but a napalm-filled dumpster fire....and I love every minute of it.
It seems impossible he lasts beyond this year at this point.
Sounds like they are trying to find "for cause" to get around his 50 mil buyout. The sad part is he has enough money that he could afford to keep them in litigation for years because he wants to until they settle.
UNC have self reported recruiting violations under Bill. Supposedly Bill would take the $1mil buyout (the buyout for him to leave) if he can get a soft landing with another football team or media .... I dont see how another team hires him and he doesn't have any personality so media makes zero sense.
So what exactly would one have to do to have a Recruiting Violation at a time when players are openly paid for play, tampering is not only accepted by essentially expected and you can fly Recruits to campus in Private Jets?
Is the NCAA seriously trying to count how many text messages you are sending in this age???
Edit:
Apparently this: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25258296-bill-belichicks-cb-coach-unc-reportedly-suspended-alleged-ncaa-rule-violation
Not that I have any love for UNC or Belichick, but this seems pretty ticky-tack.
The unc thing is essentially them desperately looking for a way to fire with cause and not just michael scott "its beCAUSE I hate him"
And UNC has now suspended the DB coach. First step to firing Bill for cause.
I can see Bill's lawyers salivating already at the suit if they try it.
you mean his gf?
The 1 million buyout is for him to leave voluntarily to go to another job. If they fire him it is for somewhere between 20-50 million based on rumors. That is why they are trying to go for the "cause" excuse which he can afford to tie up in limbo forever with lawyers.
Maybe they could link Belichek to some type of academic scandal. You know, a well-respected research institute like UNC with high academic standards, but he did something to allow players to get unacceptable academic benefits. Even grades that they did not deserve by tampering with the scores. No was UNC, the NCAA or the academic accreditation organizations would allow that.
Oh, wait ...
So BelichektoVT is confirmed. /s
At least this one would have some CFB head coach experience now....
As bad as you think the situation is, its actually worse
Geez, Bill and Jordon are straight up toxic individuals. UNC really shit all over themselves with this hire.
...and I saw somewhere that the UNC GM is exploring funding options with the saudis. Apparently doing an exploratory trip over there, paid for by the hosts.
Lol. Wow. College football pioneering new levels of insanity.
https://www.wral.com/sports/north-carolina-gm-michael-lombardi-saudi-ara...
Not to play contrarian here but is this really surprising?
Bill never exactly made himself out to be a pleasant guy in public...did anyone expect him to be anything other than a miserable jerk in private (or at least what he thought was private)?
And would we expect him to attach himself to a happy-go-lucky woman? She's an opportunist with an axe to grind..that should have been pretty obvious from the get-go.
I generally like Pablo and think the NFLPA and Kawhi reporting he has done has been stellar but this feels a bit like pointless piling on.
UNC clearly should have seen this coming and the fact they dove headfirst into it is quite hilarious but this does little to advance any part of the story to me. The Lombardi-Saudi angle I think is potentially much more impactful.
Just when you thought the situation at UNC couldn't get any funnier
This shitshow is about to continue well into the offseason! At a time when UNC needs to get ready for James Franklin coming into Tech.
Pablo gonna come out of discovery with absolute receipts. The amount of lawyer oversight I imagine he had for the Kawhi/Ballmer NBA story will pale this in comparison
100%.
Unfortunately for Jordon, there is this pesky thing called Discovery.
And no one at UNC Athletics wants their emails poured through, particularly Lombardi who was the supposed mole here.
This gets settled out-of-court very, very quickly IMHO. If she is even able find someone who is willing to file this...
She's suing him, so Pablo and Meadowlark media have ZERO reason to settle. She will either drop the suit or get blasted in discovery
I dont think any settlement involves money being exchanged but some vague statement so she can feel like she "won."
Stoke her ego, avoid 6 months of billable hours...win-win.
I doubt this goes past the posturing stage in any case though.
I'm not a legal professional in any way, but I'd have to think that in the first half hour of communication with a lawyer, the phrase "keep this off of social media" has to come up, right?
Meh, only if you truly want to drag it out. Post it, get some reaction, watch one side scramble, and settle quickly. That's more the approach in the digital world.
I just noticed it, and I had to look it up. That giant fucking ring on her hand is a D2 Cheerleader national championship ring. Which, I mean on one hand, good for her that her team won something, but then you start to notice it every time she's doing anything sports related, and even in her engagement pictures:
Kind of emblematic to this whole shitshow at UNC which is essentially being run by the head coach's girlfriend who is so narcissistic that she thinks a D2 cheerleader title is on par with multiple Super Bowls, to the point of trying to actively overshadow it when it comes to how to run a college football program.
This looks like an AI image off of the prompt "gaudy"
Exactly what I thought. It looks so AI to me lol
Hey Gemini, could you design for me an image of what it would look like if intentionally tacky was a design choice for someone who is living off their rich partner's money, but also wants to prop up their own marginal at best career achievements to be on par mentally with one of the greatest minds to ever exist in a certain field?
Also, I just noticed that she put jewels on her fingernails, with styles to match the rings, lol.
Also, I just noticed that she put jewels on her fingernails, with styles to match the rings, lol.
Saw that too. Looks like a massive red flag / indicator of batshit crazy.
Not sure Bill is looking at her hands much.
Seriously. I doubt he cares if she bedazzles her nails.
"Nails"
I agree.
There's no way it's diamonds then right? Unless Bill paid for it to be reset with diamonds? Makes it a little funnier that she likely has a gemstone ring that she wears over what I assume are diamonds Super Bowl rings.
It genuinely looks like the same quality of ring you can get for a Fantasy Football title on Amazon for like $20
https://www.amazon.com/fantasy-football-ring/s?k=fantasy+football+ring
Actual customer image from this posting: $19 Ring
She's also involved in "Adult cheerleading" competitions. Which I didn't even know was a thing. My wife showed me a post about it. It only received attention bc Belichek was there, looking like a bum of course.
but soooo cringe....(i don't know how to make it show up below but there's the link)
I don't think that's really cringe there's adult XYZ sport leagues for every washed up HS athlete the part that was cringy was her weird response to the 'news' cycle about it:
Its like trying to compare beer league hockey to... shit, I dunno MLS soccer?
Like, yeah good for you all to still being on a team and having fun at this point in your life, but..... Yeah.... If you really had talent, you'd be employed by a professional sports organization, just saying.
Can somebody ELI5 who JH is suing and for what? I really don't care enough to google this (from work, or at home).
She's suing the journalist, Pablo Torre, who released a transcript of Hudson and Belichick planning for the cancelled UNC show that would have aired on Hulu as well as rundowns of some of the potential content for it. Torre is the journalist who reported on the Clippers' owners paying Kawhi Leonard extra money via a separate company.
Summarizing Wiki....
Pablo Torre, longtime ESPN contributor known for being a guest on Around the Horn, and The Sports Reporters, with other regular appearances on the Dan Lebatard Show, Highly Questionable, and Outside the Lines. He joined Dan Lebarard's Meadowlark Media a couple years ago and started the Pablo Torre Finds Out podcast with regular guests like Mina Kines, Katie Nolan, Dan Lebatard, and John Skipper.
Why this is a bad idea for Jordon Hudson to go after him, he broke news in September that LA Clippers owner Steve Ballmer (of Microsoft fame) actively circumvented the NBA Salary Cap to pay Kawhi Leonard, and the NBA has launched their own investigation after the fact. The guy has investigative chops, and would absolutely wreck someone as callous as JH.
anything that is potentially bad for JH/BB is great entertainment for me, so I'm all for it
I, for one, will fully embrace Jord
aon Hudson's "Find Out" era.Jordon. The only reason I'm correcting you is because I only found out recently and it makes her whole thing even funnier.
Damn it Jim! I'm a doctor, not a horse stall cleaner!
How I imagine Bill is trying to talk calmly to her when she doesn't get her way:
What a $4it show!
Between the bkkak/lsu drama, ped state getting their clock cleaned by JMFF, Lane clowning Ole miss, and unc drama, there is a ton of fantastic content for Hokies fans to really dull the blow of a 3-9 season. I'm loving it. I figured we would have a bad season. I could never have predicted that I'd be having this much fun in December. It's great!
What is this that you speak of, I am unaware...
Cannot unsee "bukakke LSU drama".
The croots signed on with a yogurt company.
As long as it wasn't pearls in their oysters
What kills me is - even with VT's best year recruiting in decades and even with the shit show that UNC is on and off the field this year - they have still out-recruited us.
https://247sports.com/Season/2026-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/
How the hell can they still have more recruits and a higher average ranking for their recruits than we do? Are there just that many dumb kids that want to avoid going to class? Are they masochists that want to experience the Belichick-Hudson soap opera? Are they thinking they'll get double NIL (one from UNC and one from wherever they transfer to after the law suit blows up)? I mean, seriously? What makes people sign there?
Everything I saw said they were dropping huge 💰. They took three DBs from Franklin's original class. They also took 39 recruits so next year 40% of their roster could be freshman.
money
It might be like that top 5 Tennessee sighed under butch jones where s think only like 3 started amd they were in the bottom 5 of that class. Maybe the top players are not rated accurately and they just take numbers to look good. I mean they've out recruited us for a while but how many of there players would you really want to have at VT. is there a defensive player we would have wanted? They've been terrible for a decade on defense. we might have wanted linebacker not because they were amazing but because mediocre is an improvement for us. Sure Sam and Drake were good QBs and they have had a couple skill players that were good but overall there haven't been recruiting g battles lost that really hurt 4 years later because they didn't pan out at unc.
Yeah, but in the Transfer Portal era, you have to consider how many of these guys they can even keep?
The rumor has been that both WVU and UNC were throwing bags of cash around in the past couple days and both signed massive classes.
They signed 39 guys....by a quick review, looks like 5-6 who would be slotted to play CB....when it becomes obvious by year one who the top 2-3 are, do you think the others are gonna Stick around??
The other thing I note is that they signed quite a few guys for the Northeast, CA, FL, ect. So when guys like Fran Brown and Deion come calling after next year with the "come back home" message, I bet they lose even more.
With better QB play, they should be more competitive next year but I have very little concern that UNC long-term is going to become any type of Playoff Contender.
In the end, they are run by a bitter old coach who is more interested in being spiteful than helping himself (the whole no Drake Maye on Socials) and a coaching Staff that is equally fueled by ineptitude and Nepotism. Add in a trophy girlfriend who is a constant distraction and a discord between the Athletic Department and Booster base on whether they even want him there and you have a Hindenberg waiting to happen there.
$$$ changes everything.
Somehow, they seem to be producing cash to hire players.
Like with most things, I suspect money will eventually win.
Money only eventually wins because it can survive constant losing. It can wait you out. VT needs football to win so we make money, UNC doesn't need that money so it doesn't need to win. But if VT doesn't win then we have issues in getting money and then if we can't afford a team UNC can best us even if they are incompetent.
Their recruiting class is just more proof their academics don't apply to athletes. You would have to have only two brain cells to commit to play there with all of this going on.
I think this is true.
GT just recently decided academics for athletes is not important and seeing benefits on the field under Coach Key.
Unc has been doing this FOR DECADES. Classes are for losers.
I've said for years (since the beginning of the academics scandals)...why aren't they better?
inability to build a team? If they are recruiting a bunch of love-me-some-me kids its kind of hard to build a cohesive team environment.
Because UNC is a basketball factory that only mildly cares about football. They will never be administratively aligned for football success, because it will always be second class to basketball.
They can get all the great players they want, but the funding and the coaching and the facilities, they will always lag behind because basketball gets first dibs on everything they do.