Conference Championships Games

Last night we got JMU winning the Sun Belt while their athletic director had to implore students to stop throwing snowballs towards the field and opposing players. They were throwing at the punter in the end zone here.

Also had Tulane win the American.
Those were the first two dominoes needed if Duke were to beat UVA to see the ACC shut out of the CFP.

Kennesaw State beat Jacksonville St for Conference USA and Boise St won the Mountain West crushing Dan Mullen and UNLV.

The other big ones are
#11 BYU at #4 Texas Tech Noon on ABC. Miami rooting hard for Texas Tech
#3 UGA vs #9 Alabama 4pm on ABC
#2 Indiana vs #1 Ohio State 8pm on FOX

and then there is
Unranked 7-5 Duke vs #17 Wahoowa 8pm on ABC where the announcers will talk non-stop about how great the SEC Championship was and how the SEC deserves 7 or 8 or 12 teams in the CFP.

What are you watching?

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Don't know how much I'll watch, but I'm rooting for Duke. Maybe that will force the ACC to not have a stupid tiebreaking system for their championship. uva losing is just icing on that cake.

I really think that the CFP was too quick on pulling the trigger about the seeding after last year. There's basically no motivation in the B1G game, so both teams are practically guaranteed a first round bye regardless of outcome.

Last years seeding wasn't fair, but it was so much fun. The chaos it created and the chaos it could've created if it had been retained would've been awesome.

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"What are you watching?"

None of them. Heck, I did not even realize Yale played last weekend. Thought the FCS started today. Only this morning did I realize they overcame a 42-14 second half deficit to win. Belated:

Bulldog, bulldog, bow, wow, wow!

And yeah, we're probably going to get totally destroyed. But Harvard got totally destroyed in round 1! :-)

Recovering scientist working in business consulting

Yale's won more playoff games than VT

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And they actually hung in there pretty well. 13-21 playing on the road against the #2 seed. Closer than I expected. And way better that VT would have done against the #2 seed in the top level.

Recovering scientist working in business consulting

Not just on the road but one of the hardest road environments in the country FBS or FCS

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As always: Fuck UVA

I found TKP after two rails from TOTS then walking back to my apartment and re-watching the 2012 Sugar Bowl. I woke up the next day with this username.

Seconded...

uva - the taint of the ACC
Callused perineum is a symptom of being a uva fan

I have a strict rule to not stick my dick in crazy so i will not be fucking UVA

Firmly in the Shelley Gillespie zone

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

It's risky, but landing a crazy is worth it if you can get a clean get away.

"Nooooooooooo!"
~What happened?
"James Franklin to Virginia Tech...."
~Fuck me......*sigh*
"Oh my God.... They're gonna take all our recruits... like WTF bro...."
~*squints eyes in disbelief*

That really is the trick though isn't it?

"but landing a crazy is worth it if you can get a clean get away."

Based on my ex-fiancรฉ experience, I should be in a good position to answer that question, but I'm honestly not sure if it was worth it or not. Have to think for a bit.

Recovering scientist working in business consulting

"What are you watching?"

Basketball

Never Forget #1 Overall Seed UVA 54, #64 UMBC 74

Nothing good to watch, go duke though.

I'll watch OSU/Indiana, but will check in on Duke/LOLUVA. Go Duke.

Take the shortest route to the ball and arrive in bad humor.

What are you watching?

Nothing. Don't care fuckall about them.

However, I'll give a hot take and say I'm rooting for UVA over Duke. Much more damaging to the conference to have Duke win and the ACC left out of the tournament.

"Yes I am going to have favorites. My favorites are high production and low maintenance players, coaches, and staff." - JMFF

But that's the harsh reality that the conference leadership needs to make any sort of progress.

They continue to make very weak rules, schedules, and tiebreakers, assuming that they're just going to end up with exactly two strong teams (and only two) at the end of the season and it will all work itself out. They refuse to entertain the worst case scenarios (such as a 7-5 Duke winning the conference), even though everybody outside of that office knows that the worst case scenario is much more likely to happen.

The funny part is that they keep doing all of this to improve their odds for the CFP, and yet every single move they make ends up hurting them even more.

We'll take care of all this for them by going 13-0 every year. ACC won't need to change.

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Miami should be happy. Texas Tech smashing BYU like some Crumbl Cookies

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I'm gonna throw on the caveat that the committee does what the committee does, logic or fairness be damned. With that out of the way...

We're only going to have three conference champs in the top 12. I just don't see any of the others being able to jump that high in the rankings. That means that the cut-off for being an at-large team is the top 10. Ohio State, Indiana, Georgia, and Texas Tech are all ranked high enough to stay in the top 10 with a loss today.

Miami is sitting at #12. Even if the loss drops BYU, that only gets Miami up to #11. At this point, their only hope would be Alabama getting completely blown out and losing multiple significant players to injury, and the committee forgetting that Alabama wears an SEC patch on their jersey.

Miami's biggest problem now is Notre Dame being ahead of them. While I don't necessarily agree with that ranking order, my opinion is that once rankings are set prior to the conference championship games, none of the idle teams can change their relative position to one another. There's no new data point this week that will allow Miami to jump over Notre Dame.

My problem with the conversation regarding Miami and Notre Lame is pretty simple.

Miami beat the Irish head to head

If they are that close that should be an overwhelming factor

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One bit I forgot about was how the committee looks at teams in a way where they only consider the head-to-head if the two teams are next to each other in the rankings.

So, if we get a situation where BYU drops down and Alabama either stays in place or drops below Miami, meaning that the Catholics and convicts are back-to-back in the rankings....then the committee might look at the head-to-head and reverse the rankings. While I am fine with Miami being ahead of Notre Dame, I do not like how there is a situation where the relative rankings of two idle teams can be adjusted. That's the committee admitting that they screwed up in the previous weeks.

The sad fact is the committee will ere far more on the side of ratings thus giving the advantage to all SEC and B10 teams and of course Notre Dame who trumps all i can easily see UVA winning but very close and JMU jumps them as the higher rated conference champ

jeff sykes

Can Bama fall out completely if they get blanked by Gawga?

Should let miami in no matter what. Bama looks absolutely anemic right now. Never mind the argument that miami should be in over Notre lame. And dont get me wrong I hate miami, but are the boohoos capable of doing a thing in the playoffs? Not at all.

Double edit: should we just root for the worst outcome for the ACC to hasten uts inevitable collapse? Go Blue Devils

Like I said above, Alabama could drop below Notre Dame and maybe Miami depending on how they lose. But they also have the "SEC = +10000000 points" deal helping them out.

But yes, go Duke, to really stick it to the ACC. For that matter, probably root for Bama to at least make it close to keep Miami out.

I want Wahoowa out but Miami in. Hate the tiebreakers so want that fixed but ACC out of CFP entirely is bad for us if we are that close to in team in a couple years. Also because as much as Suk it WeRBak but Notre Lame can go spin on a pole more.

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I wouldn't be surprised if the SEC tells Kirby to back off to guarantee Bama stays in CFP.

Pain is Temporary, Chicks Dig Scars
Glory is Forever, Let's Go Hokies!!

I dont understand how Bama is even in consideration if they lose

Because the committee doesn't want to punish teams that play in championship games

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Bc the machine wants 5 SEC teams in .....totally pointless.

Getting dog walked in your championship game should matter. Also, losing to an ACC bottom feeder week 1 should matter. Being less competitive with big bad Georgia than Georgia Tech (6th place ACC) was just 1 week earlier should matter.

The only argument for Bama is ......its Bama so they are clearly great

Yes, If Miami can be punished for not getting the chance at an autobid, due to a weird tiebreaker, Bama should be able to be punished for getting boat raced after winning an obscure tiebreaker to get a shot at an autobid.

And if it was Mizzou in the exact same scenario they'd be out no question too. Just Bama being Bama.

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

Dinich just came on and gave the plan to shut the ACC at large bid out.

The committee has been comparing Notre Dame and Alabama all this time.

Now with the Bama loss, Notre Dame will jump Bama and then it will be Bama vs. Miami so the head to head with Notre Dame will be dismissed

Last year SMU got in even though they lost in the ACC Championship. If you're ranked around #10 you won't be punished for playing in your championship game.

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Something tells me they'll punish BYU. Same for UVA if they lose tonight.

I do art stuff.

UVA losing would only need to drop like two spots to be out with JMU and Tulane winning yesterday.

5 guaranteed Conf Champs in would be
Big10
SEC
B12
Sun Belt
American

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Here's the thing -- BYU (#11) and uva (#17) are both below the automatic cut-off point. uva can only get into the CFP by virtue of the auto-bid, and even that's assuming that they aren't ranked behind 2 G5 champs. BYU would have guaranteed a spot with a win today, even if it didn't change their ranking. (I think a BYU win would have completely shut the door on Miami, as Texas Tech wouldn't fall out of the top 11.)

The loser of the B1G game tonight probably won't fall past #2, but I don't see them falling past #7 based on the records of those teams.

#1 is playing #2 right now, #3 and #4 won their conference championships, and #5-8 didn't play. Those teams are set.

Then we have three conference champs competing for the remaining two autobids - Tulane (American, currently #20), JMU (Sun Belt, currently #25), and then either uva (#17) or Duke (unranked). There is no circumstance where any of them would jump up into the top 12.

That means we're looking at the teams currently ranked #9-12 to fill the last two available spots. Alabama and BYU lost their championship games, while Notre Dame and Miami are idle.

Notre Dame has to be safe, whether they get bumped up to #9 or stay at #10. (And for the record, I think Miami should be above them, but that's a completely different topic.)

What I think we're going to see is how the committee evaluates the teams between #9-12 and which two they put in as #9 and #10. For that reason, I don't think Alabama or BYU drops below #12, because it doesn't matter past that. The only rankings needed past #11 are for the remaining conference champs, but those bids are independent of the at-large rankings.

Thank you. This is the correct analysis.

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

What do we think the attendance will look like for this ridiculous ACC matchup?

Maybe 31K?

EDIT: Looks more like 15K... yikes...

Is coronavirus over yet?

Yeah, the upper decks are basically empty and the lower end zones are sparse.

Looking a lot like last year's Duke's Mayo Bowl Attendance

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

Here's the thing with Alabama...

Got destroyed by FSU.

Lost to Oklahoma and UGA (both playoff teams).

And played some close games against some of the bottom SEC teams.

But, as stated above, they will get the SEC treatment.

Is coronavirus over yet?

if what just happened to bama happened to any conf champ game loser (except anOSU), they would immediately drop 10 spots

I been here since day 0.

Just watch BYU fall....and Bama wont

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These are the largest drops in the rankings after conference championships dating back to 2014, the start of the CFP era:
(I skipped 2020 because of covid, and 2015 because ESPN's site was being wonky and not showing me the rankings for the week I needed to look at.)

2024 - UNLV lost Mountain West by 14, dropped 4 spots.
2023 - Georgia lost SEC by 3 points, dropped 5 spots.
2022 - USC lost Pac-12 by 23 points, dropped 6 spots.
2021 - Oklahoma State (lost Big 12 by 5) and Oregon (lost Pac-12 by 28) both dropped 4 spots. San Diego State lost the Mountain West by 33 and dropped 5 spots.
2019 - Utah lost Pac-12 by 22 and dropped 6 spots (while Oregon rose 7)
2018 - Boise State lost Mountain West by 3 in OT, dropped 3 spots (while Fresno rose 4)
2017 - Auburn lost the SEC 28-7 (same score as Alabama today) and dropped 5 spots.
2016 - Navy lost American by 24 points and dropped 6 spots. No one else dropped more than 2 spots.
2014 - Wisconsin lost B1G 59-0 and dropped 5 spots.

The largest drop was 6 spots. And it appears that the larger drops mostly happened to the teams that were ranked higher going into the conference game and lost. In most of those cases, it looks like the teams basically swapped ranks (with a few adjustments based on other outcomes).

In the 12 team playoff they will decide if you're in regardless before Championship weekend (Alabama this year, SMU last year) or if you need to win your championship game to be in (BYU or UVA this year) they won't punish a team for losing its championship game by having an idle team jump them in the rankings and pushing the team that lost out of the playoff. They do not want to harm conference championship games no matter how much you think they favor certain conferences or teams over others.

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As much as I'm ready for Virginia Tech to be back in the national conversation I don't know if I can live with the ESPN SEC conversation if we're ever an at large team. It's unbearable and so incredibly obvious.

(add if applicable) /s

UVA and Duke take the field and the crowd goes mild!

This here's the battle of the weak!

I genuinely hate what college football has become. The sec propaganda is unbearable (and also a little close to home).

I hate uva and I hate even more that they are in position to make it to the playoff before VT ever does. I'm rooting hard for Duke. The ACC is a complete and utter embarrassment. I really really need Franklin to come in and absolutely own the league in short order. I think with his pedigree if he comes in and wins right away VT might actually get goodish treatment for the cfp regardless of the ACC just because Franklin would give us some legitimacy.

Onward and upward

yikes, we have more people show up to a spring game than this crowd

I been here since day 0.

I can't get over how empty that stadium is

10 minute TD Drive for Duke. Even after the officials missed a few things.

Is coronavirus over yet?

I'd bet a good amount of money that the Duke @ Michigan State basketball game is getting a very similar number of viewers to the UVA vs Duke ACC championship game.

Only way the football game would have more is because it's on ABC.

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

Dabo auditioning for ACCN on the alt cast is something

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

Why would UVAs luck this season stop now lol

Wasn't watching but had app open that showed Duke recover a UVA fumble. How did the ACC change that?

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Illegal hands to the face by a DB on the complete opposite side of the field with no bearing on the play

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

Of course...thanks

Rob Peterson
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personal foul - hands to the face. On the other side of the field.

edit... drinking

I seldom speak to loluva grads, but when I do, I tell them I want large fries.

So even in their best year in 30 they still aren't the best team in their state with JMU going to the playoffs instead of them, and their conference where they got handed the most average team they could get.

This loss would be way worse than VT losing to FSU in 2005 ACC championship.

Edit: Came to fruition even with a Jim Phillips special, and their luck in OT finally ran out.

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

7600 people in the stands and Duke about to knock your entire Conference out of the CFP. Well done, Jimbo.

Glad I purchased: firejimphillips.com 3 days ago--gonna cash in!!

Useless suit of a Comissioner...the ACC will forever be a joke until we get rid of the Joker running the conference

Can someone remind me of his qualifications? Because I think a monkey could probably do a better job

Onward and upward

7600 is generous!

Just flipping between the two games going on now, and thinking back to the Big 12 and SEC games earlier and have arrived at this...

Washington needs to build a covered if not entirely domed stadium when they replace the current Commanders stadium, and the ACCCG needs to be moved to DC. This attendance in Charlotte is horrible, and it's always been this way. Move the damn game inside to a city people want to travel to in December.

It was pretty full when we beat fsu there in 2010

Onward and upward

My memory is a little fuzzy from that night after the wild turkey rare breed. I just remember Grimm having the night of his life, and I just checked again and Danny Coale is still open.

I'll say! Cody Grimm graduated in '09.

Christ not Grimm... Goiveia-Winslow is who I had in mind

Its more about the fact that its Duke and UVA than the location.

VT, Clemson, FSU, Miami should be in it and you would not have this problem

Blacksburg is closer to Charlotte than DC. Just saying.

Attendance in Charlotte has been bad because it's always been a shit game. If we get back under Franklin, the crowds will return, as long as the opponent isn't someone like Duke, Wake or SMU

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

More ACC brilliance....

Other 3 P4: Dome, dome, dome.

ACC - outdoors at night in an area where sub-30 temps are possible.

VT needs to figure a way out of this conference of absolute stupidity at all costs.

Franklin is our ticket. We've hitched ourselves to his wagon in the hopes that he dominates the ACC until 2030 and when the ACC crumbles we get scooped up by the P2. Our administration must know that the only way into the P2 is to take football seriously and dominate the joke of a league we're currently in. That's Franklin's job. That's what he was hired to do. Make us a legitimate football program that is serious about winning.

It's our best (only?) shot.

Onward and upward

I'd say some of this is on ESPN, and it's either by design or they lucked into it.

Earlier today, I was thinking that ESPN probably wished they hadn't locked the ACC game into primetime and should have swapped it with the Big 12 game. But then I remembered that the B1G game is also in primetime, so ESPN probably wanted to put their weakest offering up against it.

That being said, I don't know if the ACC has that many options. The only dome on the east coast is Atlanta, which the SEC has already claimed. And no one seems to like having the games in Florida (no domes, but better temps in December). And we're not bending to the newest additions to the conference, so anything west is out.

Hard to find two schools much closer to Charlotte than Duke and uva. OTOH, hard to find two schools with much worse football attendance than Duke and uva.

Plan for the worst and hope for the best, not the other way around.

The new stadium, being built on the old RFK site, will be partially (maybe fully) covered if the renderings I saw were accurate. It should be one of the most amazing sporting venues in the country when its finished.

Is coronavirus over yet?

The renderings I've seen are a dome. Same company that designed/built SoFi, US Bank, Lucas Oil, and AT&T

I made essentially this same argument on Twitter tonight and got all the same pushback. Bottom line, DC gives you a larger metropolitan area to draw more casual football fans. It also gives you a better opportunity to fill empty seats by giving those tickets to Service members. The new stadium is planned to be an encloseable roof. It will have metro stadium access and several new hotels are also part of the development. Capacity is expected to be around 65,000.

It gives you a climate controlled environment to have regular attendance at or near the average of the other three power conferences. Even when they have had good teams attendance was almost 10K less than Big 10.

Today's attendance:
Big 12: 85,519
Big 10: 67,469 (capacity)
SEC: 77,247
ACC: Clown School

Negatives: Less central to ACC, including the HQs. Less drivable for some of those same central schools.

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That game or the men's bball upset of Duke when hosting Gameday were the best sports moments of my time at tech. And they both occurred freshmen year lol

oh I forgot the Duke upset, that was huge. and we still missed the tourney!

This is a trash matchup, but Duke is playing a good game. Outside of being overly aggressive with a few defensive plays they have executed a solid game plan.

Dukes is going to win the ACC.

An ohio state just missed the tieing 27 yard filed goal!

Just think this dude (Cignetti) was coaching 2 hours up the road from Blacksburg.

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God damn I love this

It never gets old!!!

jeff sykes

Chandler Morris with the most punchable face in the Most Punchable Faces Bowl

Go Hokies!

He outdouched that Colonoscopy kid. That's some talent.

Just seems to be whoever UVA's QB is honestly

Jack Bauer fears no one. Except Xavier Adibi.

UVA would have a qb named Chandler

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Chander Morris is the Michael Jordan of Jesse Walters.

I'm not sure I need anything else for Christmas if both UVA and an OSU lose.

Awful call. He didn't finish the catch.

Is coronavirus over yet?

They need to kill the "going to the ground" concept, sow it with salt and cleanse it with fire.

OSU loses!!!!!

Its absolutely fantastic that they've showed those two guys from JMU more than they have showed any UVA fans.

Well this would be the most ACC thing ever if Duke messed up so bad they let uva come back

Jack Bauer fears no one. Except Xavier Adibi.

So two things. Duke player was pushed out on last play. Clock should have continued running.

Should the Penalty have had a 10 second run off?

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If you are UVA and you get the TD, do you go for 2?

Here come all the flags to help UVA

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Jim Phillips doing his job?

ACC wants UVA to win this one. The officiating is, let's say, questionable, which is not shocking for the ACC

I don't know what a Hokie is, but God is one of them!

Those refs were trying their damndest to give the game to uva.

I really thought they were going to overturn that interception with no evidence.

Is it worse for no ACC team to make it or for UVA making it and getting slaughtered?

With the blowout loss by Alabama today, and the likely loss by UVA, one has to think that Miami would get the nod.

Is coronavirus over yet?

It's Bama. They will be in and Miami will be watching from home.

So the options are let everybody believe the ACC doesn't belong in the playoffs or let UVA PROVE the ACC doesn't belong in the playoffs.

He was out of bounds but ACC rules

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That is just as if not more blatant then overturning the TD for Miami's benefit. In what world is that legal?!?

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

Didn't even review it

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"Claiming" he was pushed out of bounds and then reestablished himself that was good for a TD. It appeared he ran out of bounds on his own.

EDIT: bullshit call.

The game is in Charlotte, so the ACC "review crew" is in attendance. Probably couldn't review it because they were made to sit in the stands to make it look like there was somebody in the stands not from JMU.

ACC trying to guarantee a playoff bid right there....total BS

And in typical #goacc fashion, whenever they try to manipulate themselves into the national picture, they always shoot themselves in the foot.

Please football gods, make loluva fans have to stand in the cold to watch their team lose in OT.

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

It shall be done

VT BSEE '98, VT MSME '01

This is so ACC... Duke should never have been in the game to begin with. But because of some ridiculous tie breakers here we are. Then the ACC officiating crew has absolutely botched a number of calls in the second half in UVA's favor. Jimbo needs UVA to win

Is coronavirus over yet?

Beautiful penalty

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Wow! The 15 yard penalty goes against UVA on their OT possession! That is a killer!

ON A BULLSHIT TRICK PLAY BAHAHAHAHAHA. SHOULDVE TRIED THROWING IT TO AN OLINE

Go Hokies!

THE BRONCO SPECIAL!!!

YESS!!!!

Bye bye boohoos

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Hahaha go fuck yourself chandler!

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That is the play you choose?!?

fuck UVA!!!!!!

LET CHAOS FUCKING REIGN

Rob Peterson
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BBahaaa so worth losing to loluva last week.

"Take care of the little things and the big things will come."

LOLUVA

I been here since day 0.

uva can suck it

This was my fault. I started sharing wine with my wife in the 4th quarter. I always feel weird drinking wine with football. She went to bed and I cracked a two hearted and here we are.

And I thought it was my wife coming home from the theater right at the two minute mark. She went to bed at OT.

lol same, this is the first time I've ever drank wine while watching football, but tbh I like it more than beer these days

All these new Sad UVA memes are going to be incredible

Yes,that's the Hokie Bird riding a camel. Why'd you ask?

Sad hoos are the best hoos

Go Hokies!

There's really no other kind.

All that money UVA spent this year and it was all for nothing.

Looks like this Chandler can cry

Tried to be to cute and got deviled

jeff sykes

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via GIPHY

โญโญโญโญโญโญ #YNWA

BOOHOO TEARS ARE THE BEST

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While part of me is a little sad that JMU gets to the playoff before we do, I can at least justify it by saying that they've got a different path.

But there was no way I was going to be okay with uva getting there before us.

Yeah I don't see how Duke could jump JMU in the rankings

Plan for the worst and hope for the best, not the other way around.

I have zero qualms about JMU getting there before us, if that even happens. I'm just glad that UVA isn't.

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

The announcers were trying to prop up the conference championship games, which have now become the biggest problem in the playoff era.

B1G - #1 vs #2, but completely undercut by knowing both teams will get in the CFP, and likely both get a first round bye. What is there to play for?
SEC and Big 12 - if the higher ranked teams lost (Georgia and Texas Tech), they still were very likely to get in the CFP. The lower ranked teams are 50/50 for getting in after losing.
ACC - Well, we all know about that one.

We either need to get the conferences expanded and consolidated so that the conference championships are the semi-finals (a la NFL), or set up the CFP in a way so the conference championships are the first round, and only the winners advance.

I still think that conferences should make everyone play this weekend. 1v2, 3v4, 5v6 and so forth. More football is better. This means some teams can't just sit at home, only ND which was anointed by touchdown Jesus as the college football playoff savior

I really like this but they wont do it, especially the SEC because it might cost them more of their Precious in terms of the CFP.

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ive thought this for years. Way before the Playoffs. Why not play an equal number of games.

Edit: I thought this when games would be cheaper due to not having California teams as part of the geographically challeneged coast conference.

Back in the days of divisions, you could even set it up as 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2, etc....and then alternate which division gets the home game each year.

Actually, didn't the Big Ten do this in 2020 because of their jacked up covid schedule?

yup that was the idea

Spend millions upgrading your roster: check
Play in a dog crap conference: check
Have the easiest schedule possible: check
Easiest Champ Game matchup: check
Finally achieve Football glory:โŒ๏ธโŒ๏ธ

Hahaha...nice job Hoos.

I absolutely deplore the new ACC Championship trophy. It looks like a Temu special. It looked like it it was going to fall apart on stage. Panels around bottom looked like they were peeling off.

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It's silver or stainless, both symbolic of lower tier status. #goACC

Plan for the worst and hope for the best, not the other way around.

Hopefully they'll get the 12 seeds announced quick on the show tomorrow so we can all switch over to the NFL pregames. I really don't want to hear Joey Galloway try to justify whoever they put in there, because whatever point or metric he tries to use is going to be completely bullshit.

Every time some one tells me executives are in their roll because they are smarter and more strategic than the peons I just think about the ACC leadership as a great way to prove them wrong

The really comical part about the Wahoowa fans not showing up to this game is they had a chance to support two of their ranked teams in the same day in Charlotte and failed at both. Their basketball team beat Dayton in Charlotte earlier in the day.

"UVA TAKEOVER" Not even half full.

Rob Peterson
VTCC
Charlie/Hotel Company
Class of 1999

The only way yesterday could've gone better is if we'd been one of the winning teams. Bama losing big, anOSU choking, and of course the LOL getting put back in UVA.

I hate Miami, but they should get an at large bid.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Grant Wells, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

I'm fine with Miami getting an at large bid. So long as they aren't allowed to win the ACC (as is Tradition)

I do art stuff.

I wonder how long the conference championship games are going to be around after this weekend.

Agree here. They are completely meaningless with a 12 team playoff. Until they find a way to incorporate the conference races and championships into the playoffs as elimination games, they should scrap them. Neither team cared in either the Big Ten or SEC championship because they were all in no matter what. And the ACC championship didn't even have the two best teams in the league playing in it. Huge embarrassment for the ACC in particular.

It did determine the B12 champion and kicked BYU out when they lost.

Go Hokies!!

They're going to be around as long as it takes the conferences to figure out a way to replace the money that they generate.

There two solutions that appear to be the easiest.

1.) Incorporate them into the first round of the playoffs. The problem here is the number of conferences and the number of games needed in each round. If you don't want to give wildcard teams the advantage of a bye week, then maybe even incorporate wildcard games into conference championship weekend. Also, every time I try to solve one problem with this format, another pops up.

2.) Consolidate down to two super conferences with multiple divisions and the semi-finals become the conference championships. This will probably require technically expanding the CFP to include 5 total rounds.

I see option 2 as the most likely outcome of all of this. Two super conferences with 20 teams each (that means room in the boat for eight more teams to the P2), four divisions of five teams. Play your entire division and one other full division on a rotating basis for a uniform 9-game conference schedule, can schedule 3 games to count as non-con (to account for rivalries etc.) The four division winners and two wildcards per conference are seeded at the end of the regular season, and the first round of the playoffs start on what is now championship week. Top two division winners in each conference get a bye. First round done before Christmas. NY6 bowls host the remaining rounds per normal schedule. The two conference champions are then crowned in the semis and they play for the national title.

College Football is wack....

but, Go Hokies

"Nooooooooooo!"
~What happened?
"James Franklin to Virginia Tech...."
~Fuck me......*sigh*
"Oh my God.... They're gonna take all our recruits... like WTF bro...."
~*squints eyes in disbelief*

If you had told me in 2004 that someday VT would win ACC in basketball and 3 years later Duke would win ACC football...

What about the part where Duke beat uva for that ACC football championship, and their place in that game was determined by the outcome of a game between SMU and Cal?

I'd have grouped you with the conspiracy theorists who suggest CERN ripped our reality merging our universe with another dimension as indicated by the Mandela effects we observe. Fruit of the Loom was in a cornucopia, right?