Looks like a good pickup. From 247:
Kamauryn officially visited the Hokies on Wednesday before making his announcement on Thursday night that he had found his next home in Blacksburg. He shared with VTScoop after, "I had an amazing visit! I love the new culture they are building there. They definitely made it hard for any other school to compete."
Morgan was rated highly coming out of high school and maintained a high rating entering the portal this offseason. After being rated as a 91 overall edge in the 2025 class, Kamauryn remains a 91 with his transfer rating but is now a Top 100 player in the portal as the 91st overall player in the portal according to 247Sports at the time of his commitment.
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DL getting sorted... welcome to Sacksburg!
TX2VT
It IS possible to laugh and throw up a little at the same time.
Boom!
Franklin is crushing it.
Brent Pry sending his EDGE players on passing downs like
It's clear from Nard's vacant expression
The lights are not all on upstairs
But we're talking sacks and of pressures
Even RBs can't be caught unaware
This got me snorting at my phone, well done
Also, the fact I can hear Jeremy Irons' voice in that silent meme is a bit disturbing.
QB's be PREPARED!
And now we have 3 more DEs and a DT
I just feel like VT football is getting better by the day.
It's such a weird feeling to be optimistic feeling about the football program again
Amen
Let the man cook! 👨🍳
This^^^^!!!!! So Much This!!
JMFF!!
I love titter!
Now if we can get equal adds to the OL.
Ah well nevertheless
Weird, but if he doesn't want to be here, then have a good day
I bet someone offered a bigger bag
Time to fire Franklin
Good thing we signed 8 other edge rushers
Dammit Soup/whoever it was that talked to him at that basketball game, I told you to bring the Cook Out coupons, not the Hardees. We big dogs now.
My guy is bailing for Whataburger...
Or maybe he saw my gif post on his portal thread and got creeped out.
The admissions issue wasn't with VT directly, it was the fact that he wasn't even enrolled in classes at Baylor to begin with.
Maybe he didn't go there to play school.
Baylor covering up things? Noooooo, couldn't be
Hmmm...
Why do I feel like this only happens at Virginia tech
Yeah this is nonsense. You dont even see this at B10 AAU accredited schools
No it happens at more academically focused schools, your Notre Dame, Northwesterns, Stanford's, and Cals
Happens at other schools all the time. Happened just a couple weeks ago in wrestling where Knox (4x NJ state champ) didn't get admitted to Cornell after he grey shirted and is now headed to Rutgers.
Tbf... Thats an ivy school in a non rev sport
It's only their best athletics program and his NIL deal was more than Morgan's. AJ Ferrari didn't get into UNC. TJ Stewart isn't wrestling because he couldn't get into NC State. Hippolito is at Oklahoma because he couldn't get into Maryland. It happens all the time in every sport.
Rumor is UNCheat already gave him credit for a few Bachelors and a Masterz
I feel like Masterz is covered in grease and comes in a bag from Sheetz
Meant to respond here.....
The admissions issue wasn't with VT directly, it was the fact that he wasn't even enrolled in classes at Baylor to begin with.
Edit: need to use my cheaters at all times.
He will still end up at another school with ZERO issue by next week. They will treat it as a new student acceptance and by pass Baylor ever existing.... and 💥 💥 💥 💥
4 🌟 on the field
Wait......what??
So...shouldn't Baylor (probably the dirtiest Athletic Program of the Millenium) be facing penalties for playing ineligible players??
#2 -- if this is true, how is he going to transfer anywhere else???
I know that rules don't really matter at all anymore and CFB has become all about gettting 27 year-olds "their bag" but this is pretty blatant cheating...
I was merely pontificating the speculative considerations that are most indubitably true......uhhhhhhhh....in my opinion. s/
Is the new wave of the semi-pro NIL era to not even bother enrolling?
Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Not saying it is fact, but IMO, plausible
They're jumping ahead on my timeline. This was supposed to happen after "unlimited eligibility as long as you're enrolled" and "former NFL players come back for online classes".
Related.
Even I think this is ridiculous.
Rumor is low academics for admission.
Real key players remember a legendary rant about the support staff when Drew Harris was denied admission
Credits wouldn't transfer *
I didn't think that mattered anymore.
It's for academic reasons which brings up three things
1) It's not someone else dropping a bigger bag or an issue with Franklin/Spencer/Pry losing a recruit because someone else outworked them
2) We're not getting big-dogged
3) This shouldn't happen. If we want to be a big time football program we get these guys enrolled. This is what Franklin was talking about during his hiring press tour of having everyone pulling together from the equipment room up to the governor.
Probably don't want to look up where the incoming governor went to school.
Problem is that wont be the rhetoric. Don't even need to go to X to know all the PSU and now JMU accounts will be blasting out messages of "Look, Guys are already running from James before a game is played"....
Its ridiculous in this day that they cant get a redshirt freshmen transferred in.
I don't see how what PSU, JMU, and UVA fans say on socials about this is a problem. If Franklin wins games and improves HS recruiting that narrative won't build, and the reality is that this is a technical issue that shouldn't worry our fanbase about Franklin's overall ability in the portal this year or in future years.
If it impacts the talent level on the field we absolutely should be concerned. It took one of our four highest rated transfers out of the picture. I hope Franklin or staff are raising hell in Burruss. THIS SHOULDNT HAPPEN. Bottom line.
Yet it does too often
Franklin was able to overcome everything Sandusky to recruit excellently to Penn St
Consider me not worried about any long term fallout here
This isn't my point, I never said we shouldn't be upset that this high potential player won't be suiting up for us. My point is that this doesn't signify bigger cracks in the foundation. You then responded that this will shape rhetoric from our rivals, and I responded I don't believe that rhetoric will hold. As Alum said above: "Consider me not worried about any long term fallout here."
Agreed. Bottom line. The only crack shown here is one that should be easily patched up.
Stupid. This is professional athletics. Let him play and major in football... there's probably more jobs in football than some other majors.
It's time we accepted that they ain't go there to play school.
The numbers always work out
I guess not all schools school the same, in this case
I might be the lone dissenter, but if he was academically ineligible for Tech, I don't want him. I have been against pay for play from the start and want players that actually want to get a degree and training for life after college.
You are not alone, I'm with you 100%
You know that you can earn money and get a degree at the same time? The two aren't mutually exclusive.
They're also not mutually inclusive, if the NCAA allows them not to be. If you're not academically eligible, you're not working on your degree.
I think the bigger point O.P. is trying to make here is that we are continuing to move the goalposts closer and closer to the point where they can be mutually exclusive.
And I don't think that necessarily means players becoming employees because I don't think either side really want that. For schools, its obviously going to be costly and cumbersome. For players, it means actual rules and expectations, which is much more restricting than the current system (or lack thereof).
Which leaves fans with the question-- how far do they want their team to go? Do we want VT to damage it's academic reputation to win a few football games?
Do we want to be UNC with a massive academic scandal? What if that's not enough to win big enough? Do we want to be Baylor and cover up crimes to win?? What's the breaking point....? Because the slope is a slippery one.
Michigan just won a national championship while being one of the five most prestigious public universities in the country. I know we're not Michigan, but we can still be an academic prestigious university and have an incredible football team.
We can still have an incredible football team without being Baylor, UNC, etc.
And if the rumors are true that this kid played for Baylor without going to a single class then I'm OK not admitting him to Virginia Tech.
I just despise the attitude that these kids are somehow unethical/immoral/or otherwise not worthy of attending Virginia Tech (or any other university) just because they are trying to maximize their financial earnings.
Every other actor (schools, conferences, coaches, agents, media/broadcasters, etc) in this entire enterprise prioritizes themselves and their financial well-being first and foremost, above everyone else, but for some reason athletes are the only group that is expected to pass a purity test.
Edit to extend my rant: one of the books I read last year was it never rains in Tiger Stadium by John Ed Bradley. It's a memoir about an offensive lineman who played at LSU in the 70s and how he struggled to find fulfillment in life after being a student athlete at LSU. This guy turned down opportunities to play in the NFL because he was more interested in being a writer.
I think a lot of fans who are nostalgic for a simpler time romanticize stories like this. They point at the modern college football landscape and say "it should be like it was back then."
But 'back then' is different from today in so many ways. Coaches were paid teacher/professor salaries. Broadcasts were not driving success; in stadium attendance was. A college degree – any college degree - was a significant differentiator in the labor market. And, the NFL paid significantly less than it does today (your typical NFL player was making $40 to $50K, which was comparable to an early career physician, but with a much shorter career - the idea that an average NFL career could set you up for life wasn't really a thing until the 90s).
Anyways, the point I'm trying to make is that the entire system changed, but for some reason, nobody tries to cap the rest of the system; no one has attempted to limit coaching salaries, no one has attempted to limit television, revenues, and if anyone has, they have fallen victim to the collective action problem. The athlete is the only one who was expected to put their personal interest to the side for "the good of the sport." And, of all the entities that make up "the sport" the athlete is the least qualified to advocate for his best interest (and of course, this is the excuse that the powers that be used for decades to make a system that suits their interest).
Sure, but a couple things. No one has tried to cap TV Revenue because that is what makes this whole machine run. Without the TV Rev, the players, the coaches, and everyone else is left holding an empty bag.
But more to the point...has paying the players:
-Reduced Coaching Salaries?
-Reduced Universities buliding opulent Athletic facilities or stadium Reno projects?
-Changed the TV Networks behavior (i.e. more ads, less game)?
The answer to all those questions is no. So this idea that Players are somehow "getting their share" IMHO is a fallacy. Because Coaches aren't making less, schools aren't (at least not at the P4 level), and TV Networks sure as hell aren't.
So where is the money coming from? (beyond the Rev-Share) Well, truth is we don't really know, probably a good chunk from large individual donors, but at some point that money is going to get exhausted as donors lose interest or get bored and want to move onto the next thing. So that leaves a couple options: pay players less or extract more money from the non-Athlete population---I have a pretty good idea how that is going to play out.
So no, I don't have any problem telling these Athletes (99.8% who aren't good enough to play professionally) that they are expected to maintain academic standards, abide by contracts, or occasionally display altruistic behavior. That's the Real World for all of us who can't run a 4.4, throw a 96 MPH fastball, or make 25 footer with a hand in our face. That's the same Real World that that nearly all of them will be entering once their 5, 6, 7, or 9 years of eligibility as a "Collegiate Athlete," are expended.
I have no problem with Athletes capitalizing on their own individual marketability, I do have a problem with treating them like they are Superhumans that deserve to have zero accountability to anything other than finding the biggest bag.
I don't think the athletes are 'entitled' or 'deserve' a share of the pie - I'm just saying they have every right to operate in their naked self interest. Shoot your shot unapologetically. Because everyone else in this game certainly is.
Everyone has the right to operate purely out of their own self-interest---at some point in time many of those people will be called "selfish" or "entitled" or possibly even "an asshole." My contention is being young and an athlete doesn't provide immunity from that.
You don't get to ruthlessly pursue NIL dollars and then simultaneously hide behind the shield of being a " just a young college student" when it suits you as well.
Let's also be clear that nearly all of these athletes get preferential treatment---free housing, state of the art athletic training centers, private dining centers with personalized nutrition, free tutors, ect., ect---and many were getting advantageous treatment well before college.
Ask the average college student if they would trade places with any D1 Athlete.....their existence isn't the miserable toil of exploitation that some want to make it out to be.
But being a college football coach, network exec, AD, or agent, often does. Fans and (to a lesser degree as of late) the media often apply a purity test to the athlete that is not applied to any other role in college football.
Going all the way up the thread to the comment that triggered this line of comments:
I don't care if a player 'wants' a degree. I obviously do not want VT making sham classes for them a la UNC. But if a player wants to come to Virginia Tech and make his top 3 priorities (1) making money, (2) playing football and (3) partying, all while doing the bare minimum academically that VT asks of him, that's fine by me. I don't care.
Athletes are the only entity in this sport who are judged on their motivations. No other entity in the sport is expected to make decisions for anything other than financial reasons.
Ehhh...it depends on their behavior... coaches tend to be judged largely on win percentage and not much more.
But Lane Kiffin is pretty much universally considered an opportunistic douche, Brian Kelly was roundly criticized for leaving Notre Dame on short notice for LSU.
Urban Meyer was
viewed poorlyconsidered a hypocrite for his retiring for "health reasons" only to take a job at Ohio State 2 years later.On a lower level, the head coach at Ohio just got fired for having an inappropriate relationship.
ADs (at least the smart ones) tend to stay more in the background, but is anyone a fan of Pete Bevacqua at this point?? Gene Smith caught a decent amount of flack for his handling (or not so) of Meyer at OSU and the AD Woodward at LSU just got thrown to the wolves by the entire State. Long and short, when you hear about an AD, it is likely because something is going poorly and to say they have been immune to criticism isn't accurate.
TV Executives aren't criticized because no one knows who they are-- they don't have Twitter and Instagram accounts promoting themselves. When you get rich enough, you realize that bringing attention to yourself also tends to bring problems.
The TV execs are criticized, but as a faceless entity, commercials, game run time, ESPN doing every thing to ruin the sport all take center stage, but there isnt a face of it, there isnt some person to be the scapegoat to put the blame on. You say ESPN is screwing things up and Kenny Mayne shrugs, agrees, and then goes back to whatever hole they've stuck him in. Arch Manning has a face, it has warby paper glasses on it, much easier to blame him.
It has two faces ... Herbstreit and Finebaum....throw in Saban these days too.
You know who reps all three of those guys? And McAfee and Desmond?
You guessed it... Jimmy Sexton!
I don't think that's true. Any public figure is open to scrutiny of their actions, and people often speculate as to their motivations.
This is a component of celebrity. Student athletes have agreed to become public figures, and get the benefits, and the drawbacks, of the celebrity that goes with that. Coaches and other members of the organization are also exposed to this to varying degrees.
Lane Kiffin says hi
Bobby Petrino would also like a word...
Bruce Pearl on Line 3.....
I thought we all knew Bobby's motivations and there wasnt any question about that.
I highly doubt it.
No, they don't have a right to act "purely" out of their own self interest and still be a part of civilized society. Too damn much of that going around these days. The jails, for example, are full of folks who think like that, let's not have them on our team as well.
I know you can, the only year I haven't worked since 1985 was my freshman year of college. Worked before and since.
I mean I wouldn't phrase it that way, I still would love for him to join the team and attend VT, but yes if he isnt eligible then he should work towards that.
I wonder if Franklin or Morgan are still interested in each other after things fell through the first time around?
I think (based on no #sauces, just PSU friends) that Franklin is big on playing school and football (at least relative to your typical FBS football coach).
If the rumors about Morgan not attending class for a semester are true, then I wouldn't be surprised if Franklin lost interest in him.
I will be honest when it was revealed he hadn't even been enrolled for the fall semester while playing football last year, I lost 100% of my interest. I still think Baylor should be required to forfeit every win in which he played. He was NOT a student athlete.
But if he won his appeal and according to the article (free preview) it was an issue with one exam, were the stories about him not being enrolled true?
No one knows the truth and unless he wants to publicly release his transcript we never will.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. The "one exam" is bullshit, no one would be academically ineligible based on just that particularly when major programs have academic advisors whose sole job is to keep people eligible. But he also probably wasn't completely not enrolled either.
Long story, whatever the case, it seems he wasn't much interested in "playing school" and he will probably land at a school who has no problem with that...cough....Auburn...cough...LSU...cough..
It crazy think about "not playing school" but if absolutely take a Cardale Jones presented the option.
I read that he was enrolled, but just didn't go to class. I understood it to be similar to what future-NBA guys would do in the one-and-done era.
I still have a reoccurring dream that I'm due to graduate, but I forgot about a class I was enrolled in and never went. I wake up and have to remind myself that I graduated over 20 years ago.
I still have a recurring dream that I forgot to go to class all semester, and it's exam day.
And then I realize I'm not a student athlete, and the final exam is in an hour.
I never stopped dreaming that I forgot my middle school locker combination and need to get something out of it.
locker 420, combination was 6-9-42
I lived this... except it was the first exam of the semester. I was a biology major and for some classes that were reading intensive, going to class was just going over what we read in the book the week before. My ecology class was like this, so I went to the first class to get the syllabus and then skipped the rest.
Well, it was about the time of year for first exams of the semester and I go through all my syllabi to plan out my study schedule. I look at my Ecology syllabus and I realized my first exam was the day before. I about gave myself a panic attack. Luckily, further down the syllabus to says the lowest of 3 midterm exam scores would be dropped. So, luckily I was able to drop that exam, but I would not recommend that strategy. And many thanks to that Ecology professor at VT for having that rule.
I did not have the best study habits as a young naive freshman and made a much less than desirable grade on my first vector geometry exam. Luckily, I realized I needed to buckle down and my professor also dropped the lowest of our three exam scores. Thought I had a plan and then my grandfather passed away and with everything going on I failed to realize I needed to be with my family when my second exam was scheduled. I pleaded with the professor to let me take it late and he wouldn't budge, simply reiterating his policy. I missed the exam and was bitter with the professor for a good while, but over time I realized I controlled more than I thought and my failures were my own. It was a good life lesson for me and everything worked out in the end. So far.
I was the most hated student in one environmental engineering class. The professor explained carefully that he gave a bonus question worth up to five points on every test. He then adjusted the highest scoring exam to 100 and then used that to establish his curve. So if the highest score was an 85, it became a 100 and everybody else got a fifteen point curve. Everybody was really happy with this methodology.
And then he has the first test. He announced that the average score was a 65 for the class. Then said he decided not to do his normal curve. Then turns to me and says "Congrats Matt, you got every question right including the bonus so I decided not to give a minus five point curve to the class." Apparently the next highest score was in the low 80's as he gave the tests out in descending order. I could feel the death glares.
Dude, brutal. That professor has to know that singling you out like that is going to get you hated. Kind of a dick move. He could have just told you "great job/congrats" or whatever in passing or at the end of class.
And honestly aside from the social aspect in that moment, I don't think i'd want people knowing my grades and having it broadcast to the class like that
He only commented on mine as the actual score. He also basically said to the other students shape up the material isn't that hard. The reality is I remembered basically all of what he was "teaching" from 10th grade honors organic chem.
I did this to our anatomy class. Unfortunately, VT's anatomy course was pretty poor when I was there and my HS teacher definitely taught a more thorough course. Luckily, I wasn't singled out by the professor, but a handful of my classmates knew it was me ruining the curve.
For me, that dream did, eventually, go away. Not sure how many years it took. Probably was at least 10 - if not 20 - but it did eventually stop. But, now that I've had a chance to think about it, watch, it will start happening again.
God, that is such a common & recurring dream/nightmare. I had it for so many years, and still do on a random occasion. Honestly, what helped was finally getting my two VT degrees framed and hung on a wall in my office in the house. That helped validate that, yes, I actually finished.
Don't get me started on the "lost & can't find my way home" dream...
Or one where there's a fun event all your friends and family are at, but you have to do something very important before, and it takes so long you end up missing it..
Is that just me?
All the time lol. Just had one where I had superbowl tickets, but kept forgetting my keys, shoes, tickets, etc.
Never knew other people had this dream lol
I get this one like once a month 10 years since I've been in school and I still have dreams of that one class that I skipped enough times that I just completely forgot it existed and suddenly it's stopping me from graduating.
More recently I just dream about random software problems I solved that day and it's miserable. Can't even escape work on my sleep.
Haha been there.... Woke up thinking I had a test for a class I thought I was enrolled in but couldn't remember ever going to or being in. The realizing I'm 39 and it's a Saturday.
I have the dream also and I never attended VT.
I also get the dream I have been assigned 2 different dorm rooms the same semester and can't remember which one I actually live in.
I've had similar ones too, many years after I was out.
My dream-self never seems to realize I'm not in school anymore, allowing the panic or guilt to set in before I wake up. In my case it was either out of pocket money I'd have to repay the Navy for the class, or having to tell my parents.
Mine is that I cannot reach my watch station due to distance even though I'm on a frigate.
Ditto, same dream. will still have it once or twice a year
71 and still have dream that I went back to VT to get masters but because I can't find the building to get my class schedule I end up flunking out because I never go to class.
I've read about this style of dream before and its quite common. It's basically a generic anxiety dream. In your day to day life, you're encountering things that give you anxiety or stress but you suppress it in various ways to get thru. Well one way your body processes things is thru dreams and for whatever reason, this classroom/graduation variation trope is one of the ways it does. So when you have a dream like this, its never really about school or something from that time period, but its more about something going on in your life that you're dealing with. It's anxiety about preparation and the unknown. You've done everything you're suppose to do but do you really know if it'll work? What if you missed something?
So funny. When I first started bartending at Sharkey's I would have a recurring dream that my bed was the bar and it was surrounded by college students 4 deep screaming at me for either a beer, a drink, or shots.
In my dream, I couldn't serve everyone fast enough and all I really wanted to do is sleep. It was a horrible dream.
I would wake up from it totally relieved it was just a dream but man I was stressed as hell during it.
The classic serving dream is waking up in a cold sweat because you forgot to give someone ketchup
Mine a being back on the line as a KM at Red Robin and I can't remember the recipes. Or waking up in cold sweats to the sound of the tickets printer going off. Followed up by serving in a 6 table section and I can't remember never get my greets in 30 seconds. It's been 8 years or more since I worked a managed a sit down restaurant.
Mine is being back on the line as a KM at Red Robin and I can't remember the recipes. Or waking up in cold sweats to the sound of the tickets printer going off. Followed up by serving in a 6 table section and I can hit my greets in 30 seconds. It's been 10 years or more since I managed a sit down restaurant.
Heck, I mostly did that for my first 4 years of college. Was asked to take a semester off due to my overarching academic diligence and pursuits. Still graduated, but it took a while.
And I too, still have a recurring nightmare about missing a class, walking around campus trying to find it and stressing out that I'm not going to graduate with that never ending thought of, "man, I'm never going to get out of here".
I had those dreams for decades after I graduated. Usually I'd skipped the class all quarter, had absolutely no idea where it was located, and it was final exam day. That dream was repeated maybe 12-15 times, at least. Finally stopped having them maybe 15 years ago. At 75, I'm glad I don't still have them.
I've had that dream as well. The panic settling in when you are trying to remember where the class is.....man that was brutal.
I suppose it was all just a big misunderstanding.
/s
I had the test dream a few times after graduating, but I'm 40 and still have dreams about being in marching band, on the field for competition and I have no idea what the music or the drill is. Sometimes I'll know the music but not the drill.
My best friend who marched tuba in Tennessee's band still has dreams about being late for game day call time. Apparently being late was worse than not knowing your stuff.
Yes. Or it's a very easy show, and I kinda know the parts, but the only problem is I've been brought in to perform on an instrument adjacent to my own instrument, (like say, a different drum) and I'm struggling my way through it.
My marching band director operated under the '15 minutes early is on time, and on time is late' rule, which has turned out to be reasonably useful in life in general but definitely stress-inducing.
Did he ever tell you that you're not playing at his tempo?
Early is on time, on time is late, and if you're late, you're dead.
It is useful in life, but you spend a lot of time sitting in parking lots.
Or helping people setup for their gathering because you arrived at the time the party was supposed to start but no one else shows up for at least 30 minutes.
"Don't worry, you'll know Rocky Top by the second quarter"
Them playing Rocky Top every time play stops is almost as bad as the Florida State Semenholes' Tomahawk Chop.
aka Florida State Seminal Vesicles.
Key word - almost.
"23 new comments. Hmmm, wonder where Morgan landed?" I think to myself, only to open the thread and see.....23 new comments about nightmares.
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Has landed at Missouri, they figured out how to make his transfer work.
Sucks, but I'll trade their 5-star for this 4-star any day.