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LED lights are coming to Lane Stadium this fall

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Lights light the same

Leg for the timeless reference, but I believe we are all about to find out that they do not.

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Grant Wells, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

ugh led lights are so tacky

I been here since day 0.

Agree

Outside it's night time, but inside it's LeDay

Wat?

I dont want led lights in lane

I been here since day 0.

Red lights by our Defense, is OK, green lights for our Offence.

Ut Prosim Ad Dei Gloriam

Roxanne
You don't have to put on the red light
Those days are over
You don't have to sell your football to the night

A Tech University should have LEDs. Brighter, better whites, more efficient, longer lasting, faster response, and programmable. Metal halide bulbs are sad.

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Especially a Tech University where the president is considered an expert in LEDs

LEDs are cheaper and faster to operate and require far less maintenance

The "light shows" are gimmicky and get old fast though. They remind me of when a kid gets old enough to reach the light switch.

I do art stuff.

I wish I had a photo of it, but ~20yrs ago my flight made a plaque for our outgoing NCOIC that was Strongbad's computer screen with his reflection, etc and the text was the top humorous things she did/said/delt with during her time in the squadron.

🤣🤣 That is one outstanding PCS or ETS gift! Well done!

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

No in game light shows please.

Get off my lawn guy here, but I hope we don't copy the lights dimming and flashing when we score like other stadiums do. I would bet that we will.

I'll also bet that we do something during the entrance which may or may not be cool.

Exit Light, Enter Night black out game please.

"Nooooooooooo!"
~What happened?
"James Franklin to Virginia Tech...."
~Fuck me......*sigh*
"Oh my God.... They're gonna take all our recruits... like WTF bro...."
~*squints eyes in disbelief*

Inject it straight into my veins

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Grant Wells, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

Definitely agree. We have a built in aspect that we can use these for, unlike a lot of schools which just will do a light show / flash the lights for a TD. Our biggest thing we are known for at this point literally says Exit Light in the lyrics. It makes even more sense than other schools getting LED lights.

Virginia Tech School of Architecture Class of 2014
Fan of Hokies, Ravens, NY Giants, Orioles

Yes! I can't wait for when the crowd sings " Exit light..." and 3/4 of the lights go out! Hopefully they have some orange and maroon lighting in the stands so that the stadium sort of glows in O&M.

Plan for the worst and hope for the best, not the other way around.

I think it's a pretty shitty thing to continue to call out DC when he is not able to respond.

"Yes I am going to have favorites. My favorites are high production and low maintenance players, coaches, and staff." - JMFF

I am hoping he comes back so he can. Many can eat crow on his calling out the added years of eligibility.

The separation was not voluntary

"Why gobble gobble chumps asks such good questions, I will never know." - TheFifthFuller

We'll see firsthand if his "just get more talent" theory was remotely true, over the next 3-4 years

Must have been big and important enough to get a his own thread. lol...

I personally, don't care for strobing led light shows like I'm a 20 year old college student at a rave tripping on molly.

I wish they would spend 2 million dollars to have functioning wifi and cell service for the university that used to "Invent the Future"

Two million! That's like... ::does math::: ... 1.9 chick at the same time!

Though two chick that would double up on a guy like me probably don't understand inflation ... 4 chick at the same time!

I mean, this whole thing is (supposed to be) about the 20 year old college kids lol

I know when i was a 20 year old college student i could only go to the games when i got the free lotto tickets. Know i can actually donate money! I was being cheeky earlier, i just don't have led lights very high on my personal list of potential improvements. But i am but a plebe,

It's not even close to that.

But it should be.

The reason I donate (as someone who doesn't live close enough to have/take advantage of season tickets) is that I believe in paying it forward. Donations of fans/alumni before me helped create a talented football team that made my college experience very enjoyable. I feel obligated to give so students today can (one day, hopefully) have a similar experience.

Idk, I just think college football should be about the students (and the rest of the university). I get that donating money gives you influence (and to be clear - I do NOT donate enough to deserve a shred of influence), but I still think that the students/players/university members are key stakeholders. If the lights need to be replaced (as I understand they do) and LED lights are the current 'best standard' out there, then let's do it. If kids these days want it to feel like a rave, then lets fuckin rave.

Agreed.

It's a community, and our members have their respective roles. I donate for the same reason. Also, I feel as if it adds to the value of the credentials I earned some time ago.

But if we're honest, the TV coverage and NIL make college sports professional, and that's not supported primarily by the 20 year olds.

It absolutely is and absolutely should be about the students first and then everyone else as a welcomed guest. The in game entertainment and atmosphere should be for the people who currently make Virginia Tech their home and are paying tens of thousands to live there every year.

IMHO all of us others should just be happy they are welcoming us back.

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

Before NIL, I would have no problem agreeing with this. But now...

IMHO all of us others should just be happy they are welcoming us back.

If you play it, they will win.

"How the ass pocket will be used, I do not know. Alls I know is, the ass pocket will be used." -The BoD

That may be the popular opinion, but it hasn't been at all that for a long, long time, if it ever was. There was a lottery for students to get free tickets even back when I was a student. Arguing what it SHOULD be and what it IS are two different things.

What's funny are the folks claiming it's all about the college kids, but then complaining when those students have to pay some modicum of fees.

It's professional sports now, and nobody is arguing that it's not anymore. And they welcome alumni back because alumni are making donations.

There was a lottery for students to get free tickets even back when I was a student.

Never had to pay for student tickets when I was there in the mid '80's; just had to get up in the morning early in the week of the game on ticket distribution day, and you showed your athletic card (and as many as 7 of your friend's cards if wanted seats together); only football sellout crowds were UVA and WVU home games (capacity was 50k); avg attendance for rest of games depending on weather was 35-43k. For the WVUU and UVA games the line started 254-36 hours earlier and was OUTSIDE starting from the Cassell entrance on Washington St and running down the street and on to what became Beamer Way.

For Basketball the guaranteed sellout games were Louisville and Memphis State); Cassell capacity was 10k; 4500 seats were student seats, and again tickets were free and lines were similar to football ticket lines.

No lottery needed,- if you wanted to go, you went(with the few games requiring your effort to stand/wait in line outside in the cold.)

From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

If you got season tickets you had to pay shipping for them otherwise free if you waited in line but that was early 2000s

Good catch - now that you mention it, maybe the limit was that you had to provide your ID to people who went to stand in line.

The point, however, stands that students aren't the entire community, and there are lots of alumni and other fans who support the sport financially through donations, ticket purchases, gear purchases, and viewership. And always have. And now the cost to be competitive is significantly higher.

So when you're planning the venue, you have to take care of everyone who is buying tickets or supporting the program, as well as the students.

Totally agree! Was just reminiscing and letting the younger crowd know how things USED to be. Two stadium experiences stood out as unique.

1) The game where the San Diego Chicken was there; at one point, he was passed overhead hand by hand from field level to the tippy top of East stands; then there were drunk folks saying "see if the chicken can fly" and thankfully soberer heads quickly got him down and away from there.

2) the stadium cup chain-one Duke game when the Hokies were comfortably up 25-35 points late in the third (no REALLY- it HAPPENED-hard as it might be to believe after recent performance on the field), someone decided to build a cup chain and the stadium cups(which at that time were hard plastic- with a 1" 'lip at the top that let them stack easily) started flying from all corners of the East Stands. The chain took about 15-20 minutes to complete ...each cup adding just 1" to the length; it reached all 115-120 rows from the field to the wall at the top. (Probably multiple thousands of cups; it was held for about ten to fifteen seconds once completed, then the folks holding them up threw em up in the air .

PS- I really miss the times we blew out an opponent early and 1/3 of the way through the fourth quarter, the band would start the slow build up (one instrument at a time building to full band in a slow crescendo) of ' the classic song 'Kiss Em Goodbye"(na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, hey he-e-ey, go-od--by-ee"). Now that's generally not allowed unfortunately...

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From the 2018 VT-uva game-"This is when LEGENDS are made!"

I remember a game where there were two competing cup towers, racing towards row 5Q. Lots of free cups were picked up after the game that day.

"Yes I am going to have favorites. My favorites are high production and low maintenance players, coaches, and staff." - JMFF

I just miss those plastic cups. I need to restock. Most of mine have worn out.

I graduated in 1983. Over the next new few years, I would attend 1 or 2 games a year. Me and my roommates would buy tickets in front of the stadium and we paid less than face value for the tickets. It was a long time ago but if I remember correctly, the tickets were like $15 and we would pay from $5 -$10 per ticket. It was maybe late 80's where we actually had to pay face value for tickets.

yup. I stood in that line many times.

My wife takes the kids and leaves the house while I watch my Hokie games.........nuff said

1 - We're talking about a college soooo 20 year old college students are in fact a large part of the market.

2 - fixing the cell/data infrastructure is likely far more than $2MM one time payment. Its also not an easy problem to solve and is a problem in ~most~ stadium venues especially those located outside of metro areas.

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The LED lights should theoretically have a ROI period due to lower power consumption. The service provisions will not.

the service provisions would have a positive ROI if we put a QR code to donate money to the football program up on the video board after every good play

Danny is always open

I just want a functional team.

I for one think the lights are cool, light shows are a fine addition to the atmosphere but also I imagine these are significantly more efficient and less maintenance than our traditional lighting.

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If not then we did a horrible job in terms of researching/planning. Replacing non-LED with LED should be a simple and straightforward way to increase energy efficiency and therefore reduce ongoing costs. There's a reason everyone, including the DOE, recommends people use LEDs for their own home

Virginia Tech School of Architecture Class of 2014
Fan of Hokies, Ravens, NY Giants, Orioles

At that scale (stadium lights), though, I'll bet it's a bit more complicated than swapping out whatever bulbs are in there now for LED bulbs.

"Yes I am going to have favorites. My favorites are high production and low maintenance players, coaches, and staff." - JMFF

It is, but not by that much. I'm guessing what is currently installed is a metal halide system which requires a ballast to control the power in the metal halide lamp (warming electrodes and sending an electrical arc).
The LED system includes the LED and a driver to control the current going through the LED. The wiring will likely be the same, it will just be replacing the ballast and lamp. The ballast/lamp is an assembly and the driver/LED should be the same.
The ballast/lamp setup takes a while to warm up and uses 4 times as much energy when operating so that's why the ROI is so good and makes this such a no brainer. This is the main reason I've been so frustrated at not having LEDs. It's been an obvious choice that saves money in the long term for 10 years now.

"That move was slicker than a peeled onion in a bowl of snot." -Mike Burnop

Appreciate the quick education which somehow made new lighting more interesting! TKP community delivers once again

Can't wait to seize during a random TV timeout in the third quarter.

Fire Whit.

The word from inside the football program is that Coach Franklin insists that everything be "big time" in terms of looks, appeal, and function. I think this is part of the vision.

"Exit light..."

Yupp the market isn't just fans. It's attracting talent and even these little production type things make a difference.

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Also, from what I gather, Franklin basically has full control of the football program. Whit is signing the checks and largely working on ensuring compliance with the changing NCAA and NIL landscape. That may come as a relief to many on this board. I've been in a few meetings with Whit and I can tell you, his business acumen and ability to navigate the complexities is an asset. He's taken some flak on this board (and I've been critical too) but I'm encouraged by what I've seen.

"Exit light..."

Giving Franklin the reigns in this school in this location could also be something that cements him here for the long haul. He's going to make this school exactly what he thinks a football program should be and as long as we keep funding him as he asks, there really won't be a reason to leave. Miami got to the national championship this year without even playing in the ACC title game, so it's been proven that the ACC name isn't going to hold him back, so there really shouldn't be the draw of the grass being greener as long as we don't screw it up.

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

Franklin basically has full control of the football program

Kinda scary... I haven't heard of any other program where the coach reports to the board/prez.

Certainly an innovation.

Well, to be clear, there is still a football GM that has oversight. But there is a unified vision to implement what Franklin wants to elevate our program. I'm not implying that Franklin is an autonomous entity. But he's driving the train.

"Exit light..."

No different from other massively successful college coaches such as Saban, Dabo, Smart, etc.

They may "report" to an AD or GM, but they absolutely are the tip of the spear for all things football

This is why I thought Paterno was to blame in the psu scandal, those coaches run the show. At Tennessee all construction schedules were approved by Fulmer and Summit so they didnt interrupt football or women's basketball. They move a power outage a week because Pat didnt want her potential recruits to experience a potential 1 hour loss of power at 2 am. At any time Beamer could have had Weaver fired. He could have probably had Steger fired. There is a reason Frank was the first person to address the community after shooting. He was the face of VT.

We didnt see Frank us the power he had because that wasn't him. But James isnt Frank, he isnt the x's and o's coach Frank was/is, but this is where he thrives, at the top motivating and aligning people. His player love him, his employees love him, but for him to compete like he wants to, he needs to run the show.

Good!

VT is a major in state university with historically the most high profile football program between Pennsylvania and South Carolina. We absolutely should do whatever we can to present ourselves as a big time program because whether we like it or not, in this area we are that kind of program. And by positioning ourselves like we should, the advertising and merchandising money will follow.

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

I don't think the in game experience is going to be that bad. Everyone clamoring over "strobing light shows" and "seizures" for every good play must not have ever played video games, watched movies, or attended any concert in the past 20 years either.

The on TV product will pop too and isn't that the most important thing at the moment? "Oh look, Virginia Tech looks like a good football team again, and they have a high profile coach too? And their stadium doesn't look boring AF once the Enter Sandman entrance has worn off?"

We should be trying to get recruits and future possible students alike to be saying:

"Nooooooooooo!"
~What happened?
"James Franklin to Virginia Tech...."
~Fuck me......*sigh*
"Oh my God.... They're gonna take all our recruits... like WTF bro...."
~*squints eyes in disbelief*

I would ask you to walk up the stairs in Lane Stadium at night during a strobe light show while carrying your food and drinks and see how difficult it can be. Would you be able to see the faded row letters on the stairs as you do so? How about after a couple beers at the game?

Just because everyone else does strobe light shows doesn't mean VT has to join the club. Figure out a better way to use them in Lane that doesn't put someone's safety at risk.

Also video games usually come with a warning if there is a chance some flashing light will cause a seizure. Is VT going to put the same warning on all tickets so they are liable for any issues caused by the flashing lights?

Also also, if it's all about what is seen on TV, why is everyone always complaining about game day experience in Lane? Do the fans that fill the stadium not matter anymore?

Virginia Tech makes an effort to modernize its stadium somewhat.

Do the fans that fill the stadium not matter anymore?

"Yes I am going to have favorites. My favorites are high production and low maintenance players, coaches, and staff." - JMFF

It's in response to this statement: "The on TV product will pop too and isn't that the most important thing at the moment?"

I dont understand enough of the difference but largely why movies are darker and dont pop more is that the stage lighting was changed out for LEDs so why would the stadium lights be different? Why will they pop while movies lack decent lighting?

largely why movies are darker and dont pop more is that the stage lighting was changed out for LEDs

I actually just read a piece about this - directors prefer less contrast/more monochromatic coloring these days because it makes it easier to edit/add vfx in post.

Also, it is harder for people to see the VFX discrepancies if it is really dark. Same with choreography.

This is why a lot of fight scenes (both traditional and VFX) take place in poorly lit areas or at night.

I do art stuff.

Been watching SEE on Apple+ and there are definitely alot of scenes that are hard to watch. Played with all my contrast settings but no help.

Rob Peterson
VTCC
Charlie/Hotel Company
Class of 1999

This past Black Friday, I upgraded to an OLED. The picture quality is so much better. The colors pop, and dark scenes have great contrast. I highly recommend OLED TVs for anyone's next TV upgrade.

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Have you ever been to a night game at NC State? They turn off all of the lights for a few seconds then turn the whole stadium blood red its pretty awesome, dangerous or not, its captivating.

"Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?!"
-Chris Tucker, Jackie Chan

I haven't and I wouldn't be opposed to something that everyone knows is going to happen, but that is different than the flashing lights after a TD, which can happen at any point of the game. My biggest issue is people walking around when a random light show happens and not everyone is prepared for it.

This take definitely has old man yells at clouds vibes. I don't think the faded lettering and lack of row lighting has anything to do with installing LEDs.

1.2% of the US population has epilepsy....3% of those people are sensitive to light changes lets not pretend this is just gonna cause mass seizures in the stadium. Its also common practice in the hundreds of venues that have and strobing LED shows to display warning messages somewhere so I'm sure if VT plans to flash their lights they'll also have those warnings posted or displayed on the video board.

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Yes, presumably some money will be put towards improving row signage etc as well

21st century QBs Undefeated vs UVA:
MV7, MV5, LT3, Grant Wells, Braxton Burmeister, Ryan Willis, Josh Jackson, Jerod Evans, Michael Brewer, Tyrod Taylor, Sean Glennon, and Grant Noel. That's right, UVA. You couldn't beat Grant Noel.

and i'll add, maybe with the new lights we'll be able to paint reflective row / seat numbers that will shine like a spotlight

VT does have a disclaimer about strobing lights, sound, etc. prior to each basketball game if you are there before game time. Would expect a similar disclaimer to be on the Jumbotron at some point.

Go Hokies!!

must not have ever played video games, watched movies, or attended any concert in the past 20 years either.


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I do play in a couple of local rock bands and we have our own led stage lights that will flash, blink, react to sound, etc...and I pretty much hate them. The ones in my direct line of sight are set to one...reasonable...color.

I also get ocular migraines which bright flashes can trigger. When one is coming on, I can't read or speak for about 20 minutes, so I drink a lot fluids and eat a handful of ibuprofen, then the residual headache lasts about 3 days

if it is good for the program, this is all great, and it will no doubt look good on TV. but you'll never hear me talk about how great the LED lighting effects are

They do make glasses specifically for light sensitivity, not sure if you've tried them but might help not trigger a migraine mid football game - since hopefully we're past the point of the on field product triggering those.

Some venues even give out "sensory" bags as requested which usually have a pair of those glasses in them...seeing some of the feedback in this thread I think there might be enough interest for VT to do that

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...hopefully we're past the point of the on field product triggering those.

God, I can only hope so!

"Yes I am going to have favorites. My favorites are high production and low maintenance players, coaches, and staff." - JMFF

Dave, while I really don't care much about what they're doing in lane other than keeping up with what Franklin thinks we need, I do agree with you about the strobe effect and bright light flashes causing migraines. As one who shares your ocular migraines myself, it is tough to deal with, but as you say, 20 minutes of feeling like shit and then whatever headache comes with it is something we'd definitely rather forego. I just get the aura in one eye and the headache in the other side of my head, and I can speak, but it is no fun at all. Luckily, though, with all the pre-headache stuff I get, my headaches are really mild and usually only noticeable if I sneeze or cough. Lucky for sure, but I definitely empathize.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

Does bourbon help? How about if you are nearly cross-eyed drunk during the strobes?

Plan for the worst and hope for the best, not the other way around.

I know you were joking. Bourbon helps a lot of things, but not these things. I've never had one when drunk, that I can recall, but the next morning is when I'd have the event. I seldom have them later in the day, and have discovered that it may be blood sugar related in my case. Not been cross eyed, drunk or sober, but I've had them happen in one eye and then an hour later, the other eye. The aura is really spectacular in and of itself, jagged flashing multicolored and psychedelic in nature, but it's only scary for me now when I'm driving. I can't read until the vision clears out, but usually just sit quietly until it's gone. I personally think it's hypoglycemia in my case that causes it, and it can happen without the triggers Dave mentioned, but camera flashes or strobing lights can bring it on as well.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

I also get ocular migraines from time to time, but just the visual part. Like a big multicolored C that grows from left to right (sometimes from right to left), ultimately filling most of my visual field. I don't know if it's blood sugar related because while I picked up T2D a couple years back, I've had them long before that, although not as frequently. No pain or any other effect, thankfully, just the visual part.

"Yes I am going to have favorites. My favorites are high production and low maintenance players, coaches, and staff." - JMFF

I have had those too. I had the debilitation (as if in extreme pain), but not the pain. Weirdest thing. The second one I had was so bad that the urgent care sent me to the stroke unit at the hospital. I didn't know what it was at the time but I remember the UC doctor trying to explain to me that they were sending me to the hospital. I was so out of it that merely opening my eyes or giving her any acknowledgement required as much effort as bench pressing a 350-lb load. The doctor gave up talking to me and then turned and told everything to my ex. I was fully aware but just could not respond. Hence the stroke unit. After about two hours into it, in between CT without contrast and CT with contrast, I could feel it resolve. I was "bak". Whew! They still made me stay in the hospital all weekend. Figured out what it was later. Since I was outside and moving around when it started I saw blurriness. Had I been sitting still would have recognized the shimmering. Haven't had it again in like 8 years. Thankfully.

I have been subject to ocular migraines for decades. Your description of the multicolored C fits my experience to a tee. And my experience is a multicolored C strobe like light. Hard to really explain to others this visual "show" that occurs during one. I don't suffer from diabetic complications but also wonder about blood sugar interaction as in cases when I simply need to eat. However I have had plenty of them that I know are not related to blood sugar. My eyes have always been pretty light sensitive.

To quote the Brothers Osborne: "I'm Good For Some But I'm Not For Everyone"

I get the aura on both sides, more noticeable on the right. And yes, the exact headache you describe on the left. I know it's coming on when I can't see all the letters in a word and I can't get whole words out. It has happened in the car when I'm driving. I can function fine but I know it's over when I can sing along with the radio. Happened a couple times in meetings at work...first time they thought I was having a stroke..."make a smile for me". Went to Mayo and had the full battery of tests. Like my AFIB's they are often associated with dehydration, but bright lights will trigger the ocular as well. I also have "achoo" syndrome (photic sneeze reflex). Wonder if there is any correlation?

First time I remember having one was in middle school and I freaked out because I couldn't read. My mom worked at the elementary school and came and got me, then took me to the Naval hospital in Norfolk when she got off work. Of course, by then, I had filled up on cafeteria spaghetti and hours had gone by so it was all gone and nobody had a clue. Now, I just peace out and wait for it to go away. I do get the dehydration thing as well, as I'm chronically dehydrated since a kid. The sneeze thought is interesting, and I have it as well, and sneezing fits that last up to 20 sneezes.

Reel men fish on Wednesdays

I have them as well.
Both sides, starts nearly in the middle of eyesight. Always triggered by high stress and high physical activity at the same time. May be after a short period of dehydration. BP is higher by intuition rather than instrumentation backed. Always happens at work. Accompanied by apparent sinus headache which will persist for a day regardless of medication. Visual symptoms expand slowly over about 20 mins.
Cannot read over broadening semicircle geometric shapes for about 20 minutes. Then symptoms disappear except the headache remains for several hours and does not respond to medication.

Somehow comforting to know I'm not alone on this.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

I have something that seems related to what you guys are describing. I end up with a headache for days that most meds can't touch. However, this year I discovered nurtec.... Which does help me. Have you ever tried it?

I personally am indifferent to LED lights. My thoughts have always been if you have to do fancy tricks to make your atmosphere better, you dont have that great of an atmosphere to begin with.

That said, everyone else is doing it, and us not doing it would show lack of commitment. So I'm fine with it

They'll really get after ya

Bring back DCWilson!

Maybe I am in the minority, but I appreciated his hot/controversial takes.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

You may be in the minority, but you're not alone.

"Yes I am going to have favorites. My favorites are high production and low maintenance players, coaches, and staff." - JMFF

Possibly let DC post occasionally through LBT's profile????? Of course, it would need to be LBT's approved. Just throwin it out there. You two could have a lot of fun with that.

Seems like a great way to get LBT banned as well. DC wasn't banned for having controversial opinions. He was banned for repeatedly breaking community guidelines

If you can't handle my shit posts, you don't deserve my memes

Hence....."LBT's approved"

I enjoyed him, I gave him more chances than anyone on the site, and he still pissed into the wind. He made my life more difficult, and it was all his doing.

Is there a possibility of a software update that gives someone a limited number of posts a day? Maybe if each comment is a finite resource, those comments may be more.....considered. That would keep the insights on the board without the more antagonistic aspects. This might even be a good alternative to a ban because it keeps posters on the board and subscribing.

"Yes I am going to have favorites. My favorites are high production and low maintenance players, coaches, and staff." - JMFF

I get the impression Joe and the Mods are fed up with even trying to figure out a way to make it work anymore. Sometimes you just have to say enough is enough.

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

I've never seen anyone get so defended.

DC was a net negative to the community- that's it, it's over. He was engaged, but there's a difference between engagement and positive contributions.

Hopefully this conversation can die now.

VT 2016
Go Hokies

That is your opinion. Based on the number of other people responding, a lot of people do not agree with your opinion including me.

That said, I agree with hopefully we can move on. Joe made his decision and it is done. People need to stop whipping a dead horse.

Or a lot of people agree but have decided not to engage on this topic since it is moot anyway and piling on feels like talking about someone who isn't here to defend themselves.

I do art stuff.

Seriously... Joe and the mods made their decision, we don't need to keep bringing it up. End of story.

"Nooooooooooo!"
~What happened?
"James Franklin to Virginia Tech...."
~Fuck me......*sigh*
"Oh my God.... They're gonna take all our recruits... like WTF bro...."
~*squints eyes in disbelief*

I mean, if we're doing this, I'll repeat something I said pre-ban. DC is clearly a thoughtful dude who gets so wrapped up in arguing that he completely loses the plot. He'd have a real point, sometimes an interesting and slightly contrary one. Then someone would push back and the interesting point would be completely lost in just not wanting to lose the argument. Which would derail entire boards. Over and over and over again.

Him at his best made the conversation more interesting. Him at his worst made everything a negative, argumentative mess. I imagine it actually did drive engagement, but it made the community aspect of all of this a lot harder to maintain. Hard to focus on the ocular migraine side plots when someone is throwing the same NIL firebombs into every thread. I miss the best of him, I don't miss the wider impact that he had on the general conversation.

Is there a possibility of a software update that gives someone a limited number of posts a day?

It's something that could be coded, but I am not going to write it. It's simply a bad use of the limited time I have to invest in TKP. Instead I am trying to find contract writers, maintain the existing codebase, edit and publish pieces for people to enjoy. And honestly, I don't see the argument to give him his Nth chance. DC could have changed his behavior at any given time of the years he was asked to, but he didn't do that and finally enough was enough.

Fair point.

"Yes I am going to have favorites. My favorites are high production and low maintenance players, coaches, and staff." - JMFF

I'm with you. I know he ruffled a lot of feathers, but he was a key part of the community.

I agree with this bringing him back. I do not know what was exchanged between DC and the Admins (great band name, BTW) to cause his ejection but I miss his diatribes.

Nope. My most important rule I teach my kids is to be kind.

DC Wilson couldn't interact with our community without being an asshole. It's not hard to be kind. Instead he made a choice to be a jerk.

DC Wilson couldn't interact with our community without being an asshole.

Not true. There were many times when civil discussions were had where DC wasn't a jerk. It wasn't all the time, to be sure, but he wasn't a jerk all the time either.

Look, comment threads like this exist because (a) he did provide some value to the board, and (b) his name keeps being brought up, sometimes in similar manner to the way he was constantly referenced in posts/comment threads he was not previously involved in. In some ways (not all, mind you), he was like the bear that kept getting poked. Does that excuse his behavior? Nope. Did it exacerbate things? Possibly.

It's not my board. Like Joe said, DC made his life more difficult. But I think we as a community can recognize that there was a certain subset of posters that had a hard-on for him and kept poking at him, which definitely contributed to making Joe's life more difficult. I don't know if there's a way forward that might allow for DC's return, but I guarantee that if people keep referring to him, there will be people saying that he should come back, mainly because he did have some really good insights on VT sports. (And I'll note for the record, that I have been diligent as of late not to call for that out of nowhere, even as I'll respond to posters that do.)

So for now....

"Yes I am going to have favorites. My favorites are high production and low maintenance players, coaches, and staff." - JMFF

to quote Raylan Givens:

"If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes every day, YOU'RE the asshole"

he was like the bear that kept getting poked. Does that excuse his behavior? Nope. Did it exacerbate things? Possibly.

This is how I feel, that there were some that really egged him on and perhaps unnecessarily "poked the bear" due to his history of hot takes. It's a bummer we had to lose a mainstay like him, but I also understand.

Agreed. Actions have consequences and he chose his path. The site was significantly worse to use for me at the end of his membership as he picked fights and moved goalposts in ever forum he posted in.

Frankly I'm tired of the posts advocating for him too. Its Joe's site and hes repeatedly said DC made his bed. Let's move on

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Perfect gif.

This is going to be great for the ACC.

DC Wilson couldn't interact with our community without being an asshole.

Maybe that's your experience but I've seen plenty of other discussions on here (including many with myself) that he was in that were constructive. And if you don't like what he posts, ignore it! Doesn't take much to not respond/give him attention or scroll.

But not my website, not my rules. Just saying I appreciated his off the cuff takes and comments that a lot of us were thinking but didn't want to say it on here.

Bleeding burnt orange and chicago maroon

Agree. It's an online forum and it's not perfect. I appreciate the various viewpoints that are presented and that was/is a positive experience for me. But as others have noted recently I may not be the smartest member of the community, so take that for what it's worth.

I completely understand Joe's position and appreciate all that he does to keep things moving in the right direction. The positive vibes in the program are a breath of fresh air and I'm glad this community is more open and engaging because of it. Hopefully things continue in a positive direction for all of us.

The ROI will be a major factor. Not even as much as what it costs to install, upkeep of system and potential power savings. The biggest factor was what the old system was costing to maintain. The bulbs and other parts, most manufacturers had stopped making them so the cost for those that still were had gone up significantly.

Is it about the show? Certainly
Is it also a way to get a better functioning system? Yes

Rob Peterson
VTCC
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Class of 1999

We had a 5 year break from attending games, and frankly I was disappointed when we returned (last year). Where lane used to rock, the fans seem now to be waiting for thevideotron to tell them what to do. It's like noise was piped in to give the fans the lane experience.

I have nothing against led lights and their added abilities, just hoping that we can get back to the fans forcing the atmosphere on lane, instead of the opposite.

And don't get me started on students leaving at halftime so they can go stand on my lawn.

To be fair over the last 10 years Tech football has been so bad that I don't blame anyone for needing to be reminded to cheer. Those students don't know what good football looks like because our administration didn't care enough to give it to them.

"When I was growing up, Virginia Tech was a school that was kicking ass and taking names, and it's time we get back to that" - James Franklin

Good lord there are some whiny old geezers amongst us 😂😂. Great move Hokies!

Touchdown Tech!!!

Oh hell yeah. Now let's fix the mobile data or wifi😤

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I thought that was him popping Viagra, staring at AJ McCarron's girlfriend in the stands.

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~What happened?
"James Franklin to Virginia Tech...."
~Fuck me......*sigh*
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MUSCO are basically the sports lighting people. They do just about all of the field lighting at the local level in NOVA. They are good people to work with and they already have a bunch of MUSCO stuff on campus.

The new lights will likely have the same 25 warranty that most jurisdictions get. It will also allow for the lights to be tied into the MUSCO app which makes troubleshooting and scheduling the lights a lot easier. I realize the stadium is a manned site so automatic scheduling matters a lot less but still.

The new lights will likely use the same conduit with new smaller wires since they need less power. I am buttoning up a multi field conversion at work and the wire is significantly smaller.

I am assuming that the current structure can be reused with just a fixture replacement.

MUSCO has both a standard show lights package where all the lights are white and some standard programmed flashes. This type is similar to what is at Patriot Park North in Fairfax County. If you go crazy and upgrade the fixtures to allow colors, you can do all kinds of things with show lights. At one time, Capital One was putting in this set up at a diamond they were building in Tysons, but I dont know if that ever happened.