Seeing reports confirming Mike Young will be back next year. I am torn on this but leaning against it. I like Young, he is a good ambassador for Tech but with Coach Frazier's name coming up on multiple openings short lists I dont want a repeat of having the option to hire Ryan Odom to only get stuck with the next James Johnson debacle.
We have seen that the talent this season should have gotten us a double bye most likely, yet Young couldn't stop multiple meltdowns that threw away four wins. I really think its time for a change.
All indications are Virginia Tech coach Mike Young will return next season whether the Hokies make the tourney or not, source told @TheFieldOf68. Virginia Tech is 19-11 overall and 8-9 in ACC play. Likely need a win at Virginia tomorrow and/or a run at ACC tourney to go...— Jeff Goodman (@GoodmanHoops) March 6, 2026
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I think this is heavily influenced by the renewed focus to make football really good again. Thats where the resources are going to go until they go bankrupt or make it nationaly competitive again. Honestly, Young mostly keeps them in the conversation most years and thats pretty good IMHO compared to historical VT basketball average.
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wearwhere I'm at. If basketball can go .500 in ACC play most years with an occasional up or down year, at least until football is #reestablished, I'm okay with it.He's 124-96 at VT per sportsreference (.564). Seth Greenberg was .580 at VT.
Plus he won the ACC tournament one year, a VT first
I'd take ~19-11 with .500 in acc play, and acc tourny game win every once and a while. Make it to NIT 3/5 years and NCAA one of those years not making NIT and its a solid job for VT
My goal for basketball every year is 20 total wins and 10 conference wins. That's the line. Success if we get there, bad season if we don't.
I'm not against keeping CMY. I think he's been fine and I like the idea of focusing our efforts/resources on football. That said, I think Greenberg had a much tougher ACC to play in than Mike has. The ACC has gotten much softer in the last 10 years. It's not really a good comparison. I think if Greenberg was coaching in the last 6 years he'd probably be closer to .700
Good point
The two are very similar on paper.
Both have 61 ACC wins.
Greenberg had 6 ACC postseason wins. Young has 5.
Greenberg had 20 ACC road wins. Young has 21.
Greenberg had 22 ACC home losses. Young has 27.
Greenberg took 128 games. Young took 131.
Greenberg had 2 seasons in which his road win opponent winning percentage was over 50%. Young has 0 (Best is this year's .500)
Greenberg had 1 season in which his home loss opponent winning percentage was under 50%. Young has 0.
Greenberg never had a season in which his road win opponent winning percentage was under 25%. Young has 1.
Greenberg had 11 other teams to plan for, including 5 rematches.
Young had 14 for 5 years, including 5 rematches, 17 for a year with 3 rematches, and 16 for a year with 2 rematches.
Greenberg's combined Road Win Opponent Winning Percentage was 41.36%. His combined Home Loss Opponent Winning Percentage was 67.9%.
Young's combined Road Win Opponent Winning Percentage is 34.47%. His combined Home Loss Opponent Winning Percentage is 61.07%
While the percentages all seem to favor Greenberg, I don't think the extra 3 to 5 opponents to plan for plus the inability to get a revenge game as frequently as Greenberg had has helped Young.
Also, it bears to say, the Hokies, whatever conference they are in, aren't expected to be a .500 team.
Since joining the Metro in 1978, only 1 out of 9 coaches has an overall conference winning record. In 48 years, the Hokies have only had 18 winning conference records, (Moir 6, Foster 1, Greenberg 4, Williams 4, Young 3). Add in the 44 years of SoCon play, and you get 14 more winning records (Noe 7, Laird 3, Proctor 1, MacEver 1, Matthews 1, Shannon 1). In fact, Noe was the only coach who never had a conference losing record (more than 1 year), though I don't think we should really compare too hard to something that existed before JFK didn't have anything besides a thought going through his head.
Sub-.500 conference play, with the occasional flareup of success, is where our expectations should historically be.
nice pulls
On this I disagree because quantity of opponents doesnt touch quality of opponent. Most years with 5 rematches it meant playing Duke, Maryland and/or UNC twice. There is also the quality of opponent head coaches. Coach K, Roy Williams, Gary Williams, Paul Hewitt, Dino Gaudio, Tony Bennett, Oliver Purnell. Young crossed paths with a couple on the downsides of their career but 2004-2010 was a much stronger version of ACC basketball. I honestly feel like preparing for the same opponent twice actually is harder. Rarely do you see sweeps of playing an opponent twice. If you just split all your rematches you were looking at an 11-5 ACC record.
Today's ACC has multiple boat anchors even from schools that were historically good. I would also argue that the preparation for opponents has become much simpler with the amount of data and film readily available that wasnt nearly as advanced in the Greenberg years. The travel schedules are more difficult so dealing with mental fatigue from that is harder for Young.
The data and film cuts both ways - it's easier to know what your opponent wants to do. But your opponent knows more about what you want to do too.
Coach Young has only 2 seasons with winning conference records - 2020-21 (9-4) and 2021-22 (11-9).
his other seasons at VT:
2025-26: 8-10
2024-25: 8-10
2023-24: 10-10
2022-23: 8-12
2019-20: 7-13
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/virginia-tech/men/
I don't know if this has ever happened before, but with the exception of Santa Clara in the WCC tournament, all 7 teams listed as last four in our first four out are all on the road tomorrow for their finales.
It would have been surprising if he was fired this year; it wouldn't have been that shocking to me if he'd said he was tired of it and went the way of Tony Bennet.
That said, he built up a lot of good will by overachieving in his first few years, but seems like we're consistently underachieving (not by a ton, but still) since winning the ACC tourney. We pissed away a lot of games this year that will probably be the reason we just miss the big dance.
He wasn't going to be fired this year. All it takes to see that was understanding our financial situations (funds available and where they are going) and what the market is for a quality coach. The only way he wasn't coaching VT next season is if he retired, and it sounds like he at least wants to keep going. CMY is probably looking to finish out his current contract and then hang it up would be my guess.
You could make the case it would be beneficial to fire him for a variety reasons that are actually legitimate and not just fan whining or being unreasonable. But none of that matters if the AD isn't going to direct funds to mbb. Not gonna disagree that football needs priority, just saying that if you want to be a tournament team most years in basketball, we need significantly more funds for coaching/staffing. Quality candidates won't look our way if you fired CMY and offered a minor increase than what we have now. So until the athletic department indicates it will break off a larger piece for mbb, Young is...fine. You won't totally suck, you'll be hohum with an outside chance of being a tournament team if everything clicks one year
And lets be honest, how many more wins would we have had this year without Lawal and Johnson getting injured?
A couple I would think. Add to that just some really bad luck, and this season could have been very different.
And/or without bad beats in the last few breaths of the game...
2 follow-ups to this:
It probably wouldn't hurt to play up that, if next year is it, he'll finish with the third most wins all-time, probably the second most conference wins, currently 3rd in conference tournament game wins, and tied for 1st in conference tournament championships
Our roster this year is around $5mil.. word is that $9mil will be available next year. This is NIL & revenue sharing.
Part of that bump will cover inflation, but should also be enough of a boost to improve somewhat relative to the rest of the league.
A lot of our roster still has eligibility. Neo is likely on to the NBA, Lawal is done. But Hansberry, Hammond, Johnson, Gurdak Schutt, Dorn, Jones, can all return. Bedford may get another year as well. Need a PG and a SG with good size, maybe another PF/C and we'll be competitive again in 26-27
Problem there is that almost every kid we have offered in next class have either committed elsewhere or are listed as cool on Hokies. May be forced to bring in only portal guys
I wasn't even thinking about HS players when I was talking about the gaps in our projected roster. But that is concerning. Although I'm not convinced these sites like 247 and On3 have documented all VT offers, we'd generally have a handful of commits at this point. Spring Signing opens April 15 so I guess we'll find out in a couple of months if we have a freshman class or not.
9 mil is nice but it depends on how its relative to everyone else in the conference. We're 5 mil now, but blue bloods are 10+mil. The "not blue bloods but good basketball schools" are around 8 mil. If we move up to 9 mil but those other schools also grow their budget 3 to 4 mil, we don't really gain anything. What's also concerning to me is we've abandoned HS recruiting (not like CMY plays freshmen anyway but its nice to have relationships established) and CMY will be on the last year of his deal going into next season. How many players would be willing to come to VT knowing it is likely a one and done for everyone, players and coach? The money increase is good but its still gonna be an uphill climb for a variety of reasons. I think we should be capable of retaining most (Hammond is gonna be in high demand, if we don't meet his 1st request, wouldn't be shocked if he looks elsewhere) but it might be hard to pull in good outside transfers
Just another reason I wish Young would step aside and give Frazier the reigns on a prove it deal.
Next year's Roster might not be so encouraging once things play out...
Lawal and Bedford are both gone.
I would be very, very surprised to see Neo back in O&M.
Hammond I expect to get lots of interest and offers (with the way things work, probably already has). Hansberry will also probably field some offers as well--and he's on Team #3 in Year #3, so I think if we are counting on him being back, we are being naive.
It has been a recurring theme to have attrition from the Freshman class under Mike Young, so I would count on 1-2 of those guys moving on.
Pasha barely broke into the rotation this year and Schutt is a streaky 3-point shooter who doesn't do much else.
With no 2026 signees (and no one that really is on the radar) we then have to put the team back together through the Portal---and like you correctly noted above, even if we throw more Money into Portal Players, we are still just catching up marginally as to how far we are behind.
Bedford is likely challenging to get his JUCO year back so could be back.
I like Mike Young but really think the MBB Program would be better moving on.
The systemic late-game collapses, long streches of Offensive Ineptitude, and refusal to make D adjustments when average Guards are torching us for 25+ really isn't excusable when these themes have continued all year long.
The lack of development of Neo makes our chances of ever signing another International player with similar talent and potential essentially nil.
Oh, and we also have Zero signees in the '26 Class....yeah.....none.
This year's team missed the Tournament not because we couldn't beat Duke or UNC but because we couldn't figure out how to break a press or play transition defense in the last 4 minutes of games. We imploded games where we had a 95%+ Win Probability and made Nate Calmese look like he was Michael Jordan in the '93 NBA Finals.
If we are serious about Basketball, its time to move on. Whether VT is or not is an open question.
I don't think we can afford to be 'serious' at both MBB and FB right now.
I think our finances say we can only be serious at one sport right now. If football can right the ship and start to see a large chunk of additional revenue, maybe that can be re-invested elsewhere to continue the flywheel. The question to me is does that program getting the investment mean basketball? If so, where? NIL? Coaching pool? Upgrading Cassell?
NIL in short term, coaching in medium term, cassel in longer term.
Although, it does sound like upgrading Cassell will create more revenue for us (selling boxes, etc)
Even if you completely ignore the fact that we have to actually execute on Franklins vision... still a tough strategic question, it's not straightforward at all.
If the upgrade of Cassell is going to run close to $150M, is it better to create a JPJ or similar arena to create year round revenue generation? Cassell is very limited in terms of non sporting events.
Never been to JPJ, but McCamish Pavilion (GT) feels like a modernized Cassell to me. IMO that's what I would love to see.
I'm don't see any reason why we could modernized like that. McCamish was built in 56, then completely renovated in 2012. Cassel was built in '62.
If that campus plan in Whit's presentation last summer was serious about making a year round entertainment district of sorts, then something similar to JPJ should be the goal. Generating income all year round is obviously beneficial and I think the Metallica concert showed a potential market that Blacksburg could be an entertainment engine for people in SWVA and pulling in people from NC, TN, and WV (I know several people from Charlotte that drove to see Metallica). Problem is, I expect a JPJ type venue to far exceed Cassell renovation prices. This seems more like a good project goal to have a few years down the road once football's future is more clear
I bet this is a misnomer. I think Metallica was able to capitalize on their connection to VT. Do you think Clemson (rural school, similar alumni base, similar geography, though closer to more population centers) could have sold 75k seats to Metallica? No, I don't. People who know 2-3 Metallica songs payed a shit ton to see that just because of the Metallica x VT connection.
Metallica definitely has a connection to VT. But Metallica isn't playing anywhere they cant sell out at this point, they will fill anywhere they play at.
Id like to see the crowd we could draw here with a smaller name, maybe some random chicken shit country artist. That would test the market a lot better IMHO.
This. Metallica sells wherever they choose to go. Hell - they played in Antartica and sold that out!
But the point about drawing other acts in is a big deal not just to get more entertainment into the area which at best would normally have to go to Roanoke to host - it creates a year-round stream of visitors to Blacksburg instead of it being a place to visit from August-November and January-May, which should in theory mean more hotels, which then means more convenience for visitors, which means more establishments to handle the visitors, which means more draw for year-round residents, which means more local & educated residents, which means more attractive opportunities for business growth, etc etc... Basically, creating a new area turns Blacksburg and VT from a talent incubation area into a year-round destination metropolis.
EDIT: While also highly HIGHLY unlikely to happen, a new arena would likely have the right amount of space for a hockey rink...I would absolutely LOVE to see VT get varsity programs. It would add another game to the arena schedule on a weekly basis (yay more ticket revenue) and I could easily see the arena occupied DAILY on weeks when both men's and women's BB have games, then throwing hockey on top of it along with wrestling... and it would drive more jersey sales (yay even more revenue). The VT club hockey teams has arguably the best looking jerseys across all the sports at VT, and those things sell fast (ref image below).
DOUBLE EDIT: I'm not sure how a CMY-returning-in-26/27 thread resulted in Ice Hockey, but here we are.
Yep, I agree - I think Blacksburg could land any act that would perform in Roanoke. But looking at the acts coming to Roanoke in the next month... there's nothing close to Metallica. I doubt many of these artists/acts could sell out 30k seats, or even 9k at Cassell.
Billy Strings is playing in Roanoke this summer I cant wait! He would sell out Cassell in 10 minutes.
Jason Isbell as well
I am just going to nod and pretend I have heard of either of them.
That said, an arena closer to Lenovo Center at NC State or JPJ at UVA should be evaluated. The biggest issue at Tech is where would you put it and the parking? Realistically it would finally kill the golf course. Not that the four additional dorms being there are helping it.
I think there's plenty of space if we get creative. Just look at the Horse Center... do we really need this on campus? You already mentioned the golf course - we've already neutered it, putting an arena on the land would just finish the job. Then look a bit closer to central campus - West AJ is old and the open quad to its east - that's roughly double the amount of acreage that Cassell sits on today. Knock down AJ, build an arena on campus, and tear Cassell down and replace it with a parking garage.
Coaching staff and roster. Cassell can wait even though it does need at least a renovation. If all the money coming into the athletic department is actually there, I'm of the belief that we could fund both football and men's basketball to be good at the same time. Money goes further in basketball than it does football and we're not that far off from where we need to be right now. We don't have to be Duke or Kentucky, just a couple extra mil for roster and staffing would put us in contention to be in the tournament more years than not, which IS an achievable goal (the NIT is useless. I don't want to hear from anyone that counts that as a "post-season success").
The problem that I see is I'm not convinced the money is actually there. I'm skeptical that the portion they are depending on coming in from donations won't actually materialize the way they think it will. At least not if its set up the way donations have been at VT lately. So any of it that actually is there, all the way to the nickels and dimes should probably go to football at the moment. With the college football world in flux right now, the next year or two are life and death for the program as far as what level of college football we'll be participating in going forward in the next decade. If we're gonna be short on funds, we can't expect Franklin to take even less. He didn't come here to do that and will absolutely bounce in 2 years if we start that game. But if we are truly flush, we can have success in both revenue sports with proper budgeting from the AD.
I think college sports fans will have to adjust expectations here.
Going through the mbb standings on espn, the only programs that were top 4 in their conference in CFB and MBB are USF, Miami, UVA, Duke, Illinois, and Alabama, TTU, and Houston. So already the sample size is small. And how may programs can sustain that level (top 4 in conference in CFB and MBB) over a 5 year period?
To add to that, you have schools like Villanova, Gonzaga, Dayton, etc that care a lot about basketball, but very little about football (if they even have a football team) - their spending reflects that, and as a result there is more competition in basketball for top players.
All that to say, I think if VT invests in athletics to the degree that is being promised, we're looking at a top 25 football team (once it's back on track), a top 60 MBB team, and maybe a top 30 WBB team? And I think a lot of schools are in the same situation.
You make a couple valid points that point to Mike Young's minimal amount of adaptation to late game situations.
But, when you type:
I need to respond.
European basketball is a completely different beast than D1 ACC basketball. Yes, its taken him a full season to make some adjustments. I think that should be expected. The defense pressure he faces now is way more than in Europe. He lost confidence, tanked, and now he's starting to make improvements. The last few games are showing that. He'll be fine, and I hope he comes back. He might.
But that is is pretty much the point. Not that Mike Young isn't a good basketball coach, but that he's not a good basketball coach for the current state of College Basketball.
You don't have 4 years to feel out, evaluate, and develop guys anymore.
The perception of Neo was that he was a Lottery-Pick level talent coming in and he now is a 2nd Round pick....maybe. Very few NBA teams are looking for 6'7" Wings who shoot 20% from 3 and are substandard defenders.
CMY has failed to find any real consistent role for him----Neo clearly doesn't have the ball security to play PG role where he seemingly started, then it seemed like we wanted him to be 3 and D (but he isn't good at either), now he is just sort of a perimeter ball-distributor.
Whether completely fair to CMY or not, the impression will be that Neo regressed during his year here. And that impression is going to be a lasting one on other guys looking to be a "One-year Rental" going forward.
Neo will go through the NBA Draft Evaluation process after which he may not have much choice other than to return to college. But it won't be in Blacksburg....and honestly, we shouldn't really want him back next year...if the rumors of a large NIL investment in him are true, then there are much better ways to spend that money.
I disagree that he has digressed over the year. The competition at thw atart was mostly weak thwn he had a drop,and now hes coming out of it. . Hes had to learn a new way to play. That takes time.
I think if Neo does another year of ACC basketball he will be much better and way more sellable to the NBA.
Two years to do that is not a long time.
Do you think Neo feels this way?
Is he interested at playing ACC basketball elsewhere, or is does he believe VT is the best place?
Does he believe in CMY's vision for him?
I may be in the minority here but I would like to see Neo back in O&M because we all know how this scenario plays out.
Talented player has a tough year as a Hokie. Everyone says he's a bust, transfer to new school, immediately becomes impact player/solid contributor for new school.
It's happened many times against us so math says it has to work in our favor this time. Right?
I've watched zero Hokie basketball this year, but I tend to agree that I would like him back. It seems like the raw talent is there, he just fell into a slump.
I'm just not sure how he feels about that.
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I dont know. And what i wrote isn't necessarily dependent on that. Yes, he needs another year of college ball. Maybe it won't be here, I hope it is and I think he could learn a lot more w the same teachers.
My prediction is he hops in the portal and transfers to Illinois and is a top 20 pick in next years draft
Why Illinois?
They've got a nice market cornered on Euro guys & proven development
No sauces or anything. Hope he does come back and thrives in year 2. Would be good to see
Time to move on. Any more years just delays the inevitable.
Man, I really fell for it this year. The hype around the new guys and just how good they looked early on made me think we were immune to the whole "strong start, January dip, little run in February, peter out in March" thing. Shows you what I know, we even skipped the little run in February.
With 1 game to go, we have the same number of conference wins as last year. That's a failed season in my eyes when you look at this roster's talent vs that one. They should've won more, and they would've if they'd ever learned how to finish a game.
I'm with the others that don't see CMY getting let go (or fixing this) until he's ready to go. He needs time to coach his players up, he's the wrong guy for this plug-n-play era of college sports. But until we get our money up we're stuck with him. It is what it is. I'll always be grateful for that 2021-22 team.
Believe last year was a 20-game conference schedule. This year is 18 games. So not exactly apples to apples, but shows only minimal improvement by games won. Also think this year's ACC is much better than last year.
Fix football, then fix basketball. It has always been this.
Survey question (the only real one): Has Mike done a solid job with what we gave him?
17 and a half wins per season and 8 and a half conference wins per season.
Conference tournament championship
Roughly the same winning percentage as with Wofford.
Four postseason appearances out of six years.
At the very least, we got the coach we paid for.
Exactly. There is no room for complaint there.
Does it seem too much of a coincidence to anyone that:
Chester Frazier leaves Illinois, his alma mater and a very high level B10 program to come back to Burg as associate HC
Mike Young has not signed a extension?
Writing on the wall to me is Chester is announced as head coach preseason next season and Mike takes his victory tour.
Frazier had already left Illinois to go to WVU. Head coach at WVU got hired away to Big10 but Frazier came here.
I agree there probably is an agreement but will Frazier wait if he is offered by Kansas State or another school this offseason that gives him better resources than he expects from Tech?
Ahh ok was not aware of the WVU move... The dude just seems super high energy and very well connected (Neo connection, etc.) and should be a great recruiter. Would love to see him in charge.
..and Berman of Roanoke Times saying he's been extended.
Where did he put that out? I dont see any Berman tweets on Frazier.
On a side note, GT and BC have already fired their men's basketball coaches.
After looking at a list of potential candidates for the Georgia Tech job I think sticking with Young might be a good call.
With CMY coming back, maybe he can get back in on this kid from our own backyard. I think Maryland finished 2nd first go round, but maybe we have better luck this time
Keep an eye on NC State, some crazy shit about to go down.
LSU?
Done deal
Official, Wade to LSU. Dude realized this year his edge was lost because he doesn't have the most money to spend.
Wow...shocked that the originator of the "strong ass offer" wasn't a bit more loyal.
On another note, LSU seems hell-bent on assembling the most hateable Coaching Roster in the history of college sports.
Fired from LSU for recruiting cheating and now hired back because it is fine to do the same thing now. The state of college athletics sucks.
Legal and in the open...
Agree pretty much wholeheartedly. The other thing that really bothers me with Will Wade is everybody just excusing the fact that he was an unrepentant cheater just because what he was doing then is legal now.
He knew the rules, broke them intentionally and did so so ham-handedly that he got caught on a wiretap.
Dude wasn't "before his time," he was a sleazeball cheater who's never taken a team beyond The Sweet 16.
ACC is proving they are the minor leagues to the P2. Except Duke and UNCheat in basketball and Miami in football. Hate to add the second sentence, but.....
Hopefully we are able to keep Franklin around long term.
I would equate this to Buzz. Wade is all about Wade, he doesn't give a rip about outside optics.
He and Lane Kiffin would be the perfect reality show couple.
Kim Mulkey makes them pale in comparison
Baton Rouge
I was so happy to see her exit the dance already. I am not sure I despise another coach more.
Boston College names Luke Murray their new HC. It will be his first head coaching job.
Murray was an assistant coach at UCONN during their two most recent championship runs.
He is also the son of Bill Murray, so he's got that going for him, which is nice.
Take your leg!
Here is a perfect example of the difference in the budget Young gets vs UVA and many other ACC programs.
UVA hiring recently fired Syracuse Head Coach to be their 5th assistant coach.
Young meanwhile still only has 3 assistant coaches.
Saw in an article today that UConn spent $34M on its men's and women's bball teams (including coaches salaries). And "only" $20M on football.
I haven't seen any #'s, but willing to bet the budget for our two bball teams is a third of UConn's. But they have both teams in the final 4, so at least we know what it takes....
Forgot to include the extra dagger in this hiring.
Autry worked with Odom before....together as Assistant Coaches under.....
Seth Greenberg at Virginia Tech
Ooohhhhh! That's painful......
I thought that name sounded familiar.
Seth Greenberg was on such a roll for a while there. Hate that he flamed out the way he did.
Did he? 1 ncaa berth, 2 season that we ranked at any point. In 9 years?
I feel like this is a bit of revisionist history.
His teams 2006-2011 were consistently better than anything Young has done outside of 2023 ACCs. Greenberg faced better coaches, a less watered down ACC and still won. Not an amazing run but outside of 2015-2019 under Buzz and 1981-1986 under Moir, its the third best stretch of Hokies basketball. Moir's run really goes from 1978-1986 if not for the 15-13 1980-81 team.
Greenberg could legitimately bitch about us getting snubbed. The teams were getting it done and getting passed over at Tourney time for shaky reasons.
I feel like every year there was a reason. There were bad losses. It didn't feel like that when Buzz was here. We weren't sitting on the bubble. We were in.
They were 25-9 in 2009-2010 and finished tied for 3rd in the ACC at 10-6 and got left out. He pissed off the selection committee and they showed him.
Got left out of tourney three times finishing 3rd or 4th in the ACC.
If memory serves it was the first time EVER a 10 win ACC team had been snubbed from the Tourney.
We were also the first time a 9 win ACC team had been snubbed from the Tourney, IIRC.
The goalposts just kept changing. I guess pissing off the committee was the "certifiably insane" move.
ehh..yes and no
Greenberg's teams had much tougher competition than CMY's teams have. The ACC is much softer now than it was when Greenberg was coaching. His numbers don't look all that great but his teams would beat CMY's teams pretty handily 9 times out of 10
I don't disagree, but I don't think Greenburg was a great coach either. It always felt like there was juice left to be squeezed. Obviously, CMY has his own set of issues (not going to deny that). IMO Buzz was the only basketball coach we've had in the last 15 years who could create a 5 year vision for improvement then execute it.
I've actually run these numbers before.
FYI
To account for lack of recruiting here's how winning percentages look if you take out every coaches first season
CMY same
BW 65%
SG 59%
Buzz Williams had the hardest average Strength of Schedule (SOS) during his tenure at Virginia Tech, with an average of 7.15 across his five seasons.  Mike Young follows with an average of 6.81 over his seven seasons (including the partial 2025-26 season).  Seth Greenberg had the lowest at 6.01 over his nine seasons.
Seth Greenberg's record at Virginia Tech, excluding his best season (2009-10: 25-9) and worst season (2005-06: 14-16), is 131-98, for a total of 229 games played. The winning percentage is (131 / 229) × 100 ≈ 57.21%.
Buzz Williams' record at Virginia Tech, excluding his best season (2018-19: 26-9) and worst season (2014-15: 11-22), is 63-38, for a total of 101 games played. The winning percentage is (63 / 101) × 100 ≈ 62.38%.
Mike Young's record at Virginia Tech, excluding his best season (2020-21: 15-7) and worst season (2024-25: 13-19), is 94-69, for a total of 163 games played. The winning percentage is (94 / 163) × 100 ≈ 57.67%.
Fantastic work my dude!
what determines SOS though? The ACC was legitimately the best league when Greenberg was coaching. They are overrated now and much softer than they were back then.
I don't have Kenpom subscription so can't access historical data, but for this used data from sports reference . Com which uses the simple rating system SRS
Simple Rating System; a rating that takes into account average point differential and strength of schedule. The rating is denominated in points above/below average, where zero is average. Non-Division I games are excluded from the ratings.
I was gonna say, maybe a great roll of missing the NCAAT when he shouldn't have
Chester Frazier extension nnounced today
The article says it was announced Wednesday and is dated 22 April.
Yeah it was done last week but had to go through reviews. Only bad thing is that with us bringing in new President and Athletic Director, his head coach in waiting may not get honored. I hope he does what's best for him though as he is a hell of a coach and recruiter and if Hokies aren't going to give him what he needs to be competitive I hope he goes somewhere else.
Are we sure that he is considered to be a head coach in waiting?
That was my understanding on why he came here rather than follow the WVU coach to Indiana.
I feel like if this were the case though, we would have oh, a single commit from the class of '26 haha. Because couldn't we just point to him and say "he's the next guy"?
Too many variables with a new President and Athletic Director to definitively claim that. Kids are going to ask how they guarantee that.
I met Brad Underwood today and asked him to schedule VT. He said "No, your coach is too good I don't want to play him. And he's a friend of mine."
HC for Illinois, in case anyone else (like me) has no idea who he is.
Bad news, gents. We missed out on Peteris Pinnis.
Pinnis committed to the Beavers. The Beavers were said to be really impressed with Pinnis' ability to penetrate.
There's a joke in there somewhere with him going to the Oregon State...
SIAP
Hokies picked up Ethan Copeland from Stetson yesterday. 6' 2" combo guard. 43% from three (109/254).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD7HnIPXXcc
Looks like another live and die by the 3 player so he fits CMY's gameplan perfectly.