a 40 minute drive to their stadium from the University, a semi-passionate fanbase, and always being second tier to Cal or USC. (Cal in academics, USC in football).
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But that's the thing, they'll never learn because they're all young and have grown men in their ears feeding them the same bullshit and lies year after year telling them how much better off they'd be at UVa than VT, despite the on field results and despite the drastic differences in how well our top recruits get drafted vs theirs. These men don't have the athlete's best interests in mind, and it ends up hurting or ruining careers. Its sad, and its shady, and eventually I hope it gets put to an end.
I honestly feel bad for players like Mizzell, Moses, and the guys like Brown they got this year. They don't realize their draft stock gets significantly hurt when they play for UVa. There are too many weaknesses for the stars to shine, and the coaching they're getting is anything but world class, yet the guys in charge of the 7-on-7 camps make it sound like UVa is THE place to be in the Commonwealth. Its just sad seeing kids who are too young to know any better being steered in the wrong direction year after year.
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How can something so simple be so hard to prove to talented recruits? Tech is undefeated against UVA for over a decade. Plain and simple. The last time LOLUVA escaped with a victory was in 2003; most of those recruits were toddlers.
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I honestly feel bad for players like Mizzell, Moses, and the guys like Brown they got this year. They don't realize their draft stock gets significantly hurt when they play for UVa.
Surprisingly, I actually disagree with that statement. I think UVa has put out ~30 players in the NFL draft during the decade of dominance (for a point of comparison, Tech is ~50) with the same amount of 1st round draft picks during that time (UVA = Monore, Long, Albert, Ferguson, Miller...VT = Fuller, Wilson, Brown, Hall, Jones)...the problem with UVA is that they get NFL talent but they don't do anything with them.
I have no trepidation in thinking that Brown, Blanding and Mizzel will turn into 1st-3rd round draft picks. I just don't think UVa will have a winning season while those three guys are in college.
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They take 5 star talent and turn some of them into NFL prospects. We take 2 and 3 star talent and turn them into NFL prospects. That's the difference, we can coach players.
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They MIGHT... Maybe. But here's the thing.. with Blanding - fine, you have 1 5* corner. You still are surrounded by a bunch of mediocre talent, so you can just ignore the guy he's covering all game long and still move your team down the field at ease. Same with Brown, just double team him at the line every play, and take him out of the game. By the time they are Seniors, they won't have much game film because teams have figured out how to focus on them and take them out of the game without exposing themselves to a strong defensive attack. Not like they have the horses to be able to counter it.
In the past, this wasn't so much an issue. UVa actually DID have depth across the board, and they did have better coaching than they do now. You can say a lot about Al Groh, but the man knew how to develop players to play in the NFL, some would say at the expense of wins, which is why he got fired. That pipeline has dried up. That NFL mentoring system is gone and isn't coming back. Morgan Moses went in there as an absolute beast of a OL prospect, and was spit out a 3rd round project that got beaten like a drum in college. Even Mizzell is starting to get torched more often than a top recruit should. And this problem isn't getting any better, its getting worse. Outside of Blanding and Brown, their recruiting class this year set them back yet another season. Pretty soon, their 2-deep is going to be loaded with 2* and low 3* players, and its not improving.
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I have a bunch of tailgate recipes in the forums. Due to lack of time the last two years I was unable to do my recipes but there is a solid chance I will bring them back this year.
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I thought it was good point to look at it more from a head coaching standpoint rather than a school standpoint. CML started at UVa in 2010, here's the list of Wahoos who made it to the NFL (I'm adding possible 2015 as well to make it "fair" since that'll be the first year only CML-recruited players are on the UVa roster):
2015: Anthony Harris, Kevin Parks, Demetrious Nicholson (not counting Jake McGee)
2014: Morgan Moses, Brett Urban, Luke Bowanko
2013: Oday Aboushi
2012: Cam Johnson
2011: Ras-I Dowling
2010: Chris Cook
Virginia Tech during that time:
2015: Kyshoen Jarrett, Luther Maddy, Brent Benedict
2014: Kyle Fuller, Logan Thomas, Antone Exum
2013: Corey Fuller, Vincent Painter
2012: David Wilson, Jayron Hosley, Danny Coale
2011: Ryan Williams, Roc Carmichael, Tyrod Taylor
2010: Jason Worlids, Kam Chancellor, Ed Wang, Brent Bowden, Cody Grimm
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Being drafted is not the only way to make it to the NFL. Guys like Boykin, Whitley , Gayle, Morgan, Edwards , Tyler, etc did make it to the NFL as free agents. You should add those names to the list of hokies in the NFL.
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But that's not the point, recruits are being sold this glowing story that UVa is the place to go if you want to develop your career and be this bigtime NFL star. I mean, they had Schaub, Heath Miller, the Barber twins, Chris Long, etc. They are this NFL factory that pumps kids into the league.
But that's just simply not the case, at least not anymore. Back under Al Groh, I'll give them every credit in the world, they were putting guys into the NFL left and right. Yes, they were losing to us on Saturdays, but it actually WAS a legitimate reason to go to UVa to further your NFL career, because they had a guy in charge who knew how to get kids ready for the NFL. And then they fired him and replaced him with a young FCS coach who hadn't been around long enough to know how to do that, and yet somehow, when the NFL stopped calling, and the future prospects of their recruits have died down, while the base talent of the team overall has dropped to a level where they truly are in the discussion for not only worst team in the league, but worst BCS conference program in the country, the myth being pushed by these handlers in the high school and AAU ranks has only grown stronger, which has allowed them to land a couple elite recruits every year (who later fizzle out in college before getting woefully underdrafted based on their recruiting potential, assuming they get drafted at all). There is absolutely no reason in the world a guy like Morgan Moses should have fallen to the 3rd round outside of the fact he was coached by incompetent idiots at UVa. A guy with his size and mobility should have dominated the game, but he was outleveraged at almost every opportunity, especially in the games against us. Thats just bad coaching. I wish the adults in the Thoroughbred program would realize this and do whats in the best interests of the kids themselves and stop pushing them to UVa.
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That post RULES... what killed me was seeing Moses go in the third while James Gayle sat waiting... hello- James ABUSED Moses for three years. I guess the NFL doesn't work like that.
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But CML can guarantee playing time (and other benefits??) at UVa, so the t-breds will continue to send players there and we will watch them wither away while continuing our dominance over them on the field. Maybe two decades of dominance?
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Unfortunately, the guys that run the thoroughbreds are like politicians, they are self serving. Mike London kisses their asses and probably throws them sort of kickback, so why would they turn their back on him? I'm not justifying their behavior whatsoever because it's criminal to deceive impressionable people for your own selfish gain. I'm just saying that I can see why they do it.
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I don't think it's classy to suggest that he's throwing kickbacks without any proof. I believe that taking the higher road is the right way to go here. Let's assume that there's some awesome character trait that makes CML appealing to the 'Breds "coaches."
He was a cop.
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While this may be true, there's more than enough smoke around the situation to deduce something is up. Landing 2 Top 10 recruits who just happen to play with the Thoroughbred program who just happen to send kids to UVa annually who just happen to have coaches who take to twitter to publicly cry out "fuck VT" when one of their kids commits to the Hokies, all the while doing this when UVa is quickly devolving into one of the worst programs in the country with a coaching staff that is proving time and time again they simply don't get it while VT has twice as many outright conference titles in the past 10 years that UVa has shared titles in the past 60. And this doesn't even begin to touch the fact that this Thoroughbred program purposely sets major games and mandatory practices during weekends that are specifically lined up with VT recruiting camps in an effort to prevent their kids from attending... Something is up. Whether or not Mike London has anything to do with it, something is up, and its not like they're doing a real good job of hiding it.
This would be like (had he not been dismissed) Coach James Johnson pulling in 2 Top 10 recruits in basketball this year on the heels of UVa winning the conference title coming from the same AAU program, with a coaching staff that we later come to learn did everything in its power to prevent kids from stepping foot in Charlottesville. It would seem overly fishy for that to happen, and justifiably so. Where there's smoke, there's fire, and the Thoroughbred program looks like this:
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That character trait is actually talking to them and acting like they belong as part of the recruiting process. Beamer has said that VT only deals with parents and high school coaches. The issue of 7 on 7 coaches is a gray area with a lot of potential pitfalls so Beamer chooses to not deal with them. London has seen this as an opportunity and capitalized. The 7 on 7 coaches feel like they should be involved, so they go with London. They felt disrespect and all London had to do was give them the time of day.
Add to that the image of an old, out of touch white guy versus the younger black guy who worked the streets as a cop (not saying the perception is valid, but it is there) and it is easy to see how the kids can be swayed.
Right or wrong, it is easy to deduce why some of them would like London over Beamer without resorting to accusations of clandestine arrangements and under the table payments. I personally am okay with Beamer's approach. I just realize that it is not without its own consequences so I am not baffled or infuriated when a Thoroughbred chooses LOLUVA.
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When Jake McGee, your best player on offense and probable NFL prospect, transfers from your program because he wants to better prepare himself for the NFL, you can no longer claim UVA is a great place for a player from a professional development standpoint.
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Well, duh... WE know that... The problem is that there are too many people in the ears of kids who don't know any better convincing them of a reality that doesn't exist. By the time these kids get to UVa and realize the mistake they've made, its too late. Either they need to tough it out or transfer and sit out a year or 2 or transfer to a FCS school to play immediately. Either way you cut it, whatever option they choose, their NFL draft stock will inevitably take a huge hit and they're screwed. And all of this happens because they have grown adults (specifically, the people directly associated with the Thoroughbred program) with an agenda to push kids to UVa, even when all logic says its a mistake for the long term career prospects of the kids.
And for the record, I don't even care that they're not sending the kids to VT. Look, I understand that not everyone is meant to come to VT, and I understand there are better programs out there. Where I really think these adults are failing these kids is when they send them to such a hopeless situation like the University of Virginia. You're basically sacrificing the future of these kids just to adhere to some agenda, and that's wrong.
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1-player, 1-position. Jake McGee is not really a complete representation. VT is known for their statistics, let's not resort to solitary examples to make dramatic conclusions.
As much as I hate to say it, UVA does well of putting their best players in the NFL. This list has 27 UVA players in the NFL, 31 VT players.
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Sure I see your point, but right here, right now, recruiting for 2015 with London as coach, the transfer of a guy like McGhee has to be a huge red flag to anyone considering going to LOLUVA.
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See: McKenzie, Shai (2014). Apparently hated blacksburg, but still committed to VT. There have probably been others, but let's see if we can't nab him from the grasps of the bad guys.
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He's a 'bred so wouldn't be surprised if he ends up going to UVA.
Word on the street is he just received a "YOU!" letter. Turned his recruitment around.
Nah I think he heads OOS somewhere.
If I'm completely honest and unbiased, I would totally go to UCLA over LOLUVA..California would be a cool place to be for 4 years...
...right next to Beverly Hills and future playmate cheerleaders...hmm...easy choice.
a 40 minute drive to their stadium from the University, a semi-passionate fanbase, and always being second tier to Cal or USC. (Cal in academics, USC in football).
Details...minor details.
Those tight sweaters.
And it begins.
This is likely not the last time Lewis decommits from a school.
he should decommit from one of the a's in his first name
LOL. The extra A is for awesome.
It stands for axcitement.
X-Wing @ Aliciousness.
Lewis should pay no mind to LOLUVA if he wants to make good use of his talent.
See my sigline.
Lewis and the other 2015 prospects should learn from what happened to former 5 star Taquan Mizzell last year and commit to Tech.
What Trey Edmunds and Marshawn Williams must be thinking when they read that post:
But that's the thing, they'll never learn because they're all young and have grown men in their ears feeding them the same bullshit and lies year after year telling them how much better off they'd be at UVa than VT, despite the on field results and despite the drastic differences in how well our top recruits get drafted vs theirs. These men don't have the athlete's best interests in mind, and it ends up hurting or ruining careers. Its sad, and its shady, and eventually I hope it gets put to an end.
I honestly feel bad for players like Mizzell, Moses, and the guys like Brown they got this year. They don't realize their draft stock gets significantly hurt when they play for UVa. There are too many weaknesses for the stars to shine, and the coaching they're getting is anything but world class, yet the guys in charge of the 7-on-7 camps make it sound like UVa is THE place to be in the Commonwealth. Its just sad seeing kids who are too young to know any better being steered in the wrong direction year after year.
How can something so simple be so hard to prove to talented recruits? Tech is undefeated against UVA for over a decade. Plain and simple. The last time LOLUVA escaped with a victory was in 2003; most of those recruits were toddlers.
They'll be the start of the new dynasty.
Surprisingly, I actually disagree with that statement. I think UVa has put out ~30 players in the NFL draft during the decade of dominance (for a point of comparison, Tech is ~50) with the same amount of 1st round draft picks during that time (UVA = Monore, Long, Albert, Ferguson, Miller...VT = Fuller, Wilson, Brown, Hall, Jones)...the problem with UVA is that they get NFL talent but they don't do anything with them.
I have no trepidation in thinking that Brown, Blanding and Mizzel will turn into 1st-3rd round draft picks. I just don't think UVa will have a winning season while those three guys are in college.
They take 5 star talent and turn some of them into NFL prospects. We take 2 and 3 star talent and turn them into NFL prospects. That's the difference, we can coach players.
They MIGHT... Maybe. But here's the thing.. with Blanding - fine, you have 1 5* corner. You still are surrounded by a bunch of mediocre talent, so you can just ignore the guy he's covering all game long and still move your team down the field at ease. Same with Brown, just double team him at the line every play, and take him out of the game. By the time they are Seniors, they won't have much game film because teams have figured out how to focus on them and take them out of the game without exposing themselves to a strong defensive attack. Not like they have the horses to be able to counter it.
In the past, this wasn't so much an issue. UVa actually DID have depth across the board, and they did have better coaching than they do now. You can say a lot about Al Groh, but the man knew how to develop players to play in the NFL, some would say at the expense of wins, which is why he got fired. That pipeline has dried up. That NFL mentoring system is gone and isn't coming back. Morgan Moses went in there as an absolute beast of a OL prospect, and was spit out a 3rd round project that got beaten like a drum in college. Even Mizzell is starting to get torched more often than a top recruit should. And this problem isn't getting any better, its getting worse. Outside of Blanding and Brown, their recruiting class this year set them back yet another season. Pretty soon, their 2-deep is going to be loaded with 2* and low 3* players, and its not improving.
Wow, Alum....this is for...."YOU!"
This pic just makes me drool. We need a recipe section. The ones I cook never look this good.
I have a bunch of tailgate recipes in the forums. Due to lack of time the last two years I was unable to do my recipes but there is a solid chance I will bring them back this year.
I thought it was good point to look at it more from a head coaching standpoint rather than a school standpoint. CML started at UVa in 2010, here's the list of Wahoos who made it to the NFL (I'm adding possible 2015 as well to make it "fair" since that'll be the first year only CML-recruited players are on the UVa roster):
2015: Anthony Harris, Kevin Parks, Demetrious Nicholson (not counting Jake McGee)
2014: Morgan Moses, Brett Urban, Luke Bowanko
2013: Oday Aboushi
2012: Cam Johnson
2011: Ras-I Dowling
2010: Chris Cook
Virginia Tech during that time:
2015: Kyshoen Jarrett, Luther Maddy, Brent Benedict
2014: Kyle Fuller, Logan Thomas, Antone Exum
2013: Corey Fuller, Vincent Painter
2012: David Wilson, Jayron Hosley, Danny Coale
2011: Ryan Williams, Roc Carmichael, Tyrod Taylor
2010: Jason Worlids, Kam Chancellor, Ed Wang, Brent Bowden, Cody Grimm
Being drafted is not the only way to make it to the NFL. Guys like Boykin, Whitley , Gayle, Morgan, Edwards , Tyler, etc did make it to the NFL as free agents. You should add those names to the list of hokies in the NFL.
But that's not the point, recruits are being sold this glowing story that UVa is the place to go if you want to develop your career and be this bigtime NFL star. I mean, they had Schaub, Heath Miller, the Barber twins, Chris Long, etc. They are this NFL factory that pumps kids into the league.
But that's just simply not the case, at least not anymore. Back under Al Groh, I'll give them every credit in the world, they were putting guys into the NFL left and right. Yes, they were losing to us on Saturdays, but it actually WAS a legitimate reason to go to UVa to further your NFL career, because they had a guy in charge who knew how to get kids ready for the NFL. And then they fired him and replaced him with a young FCS coach who hadn't been around long enough to know how to do that, and yet somehow, when the NFL stopped calling, and the future prospects of their recruits have died down, while the base talent of the team overall has dropped to a level where they truly are in the discussion for not only worst team in the league, but worst BCS conference program in the country, the myth being pushed by these handlers in the high school and AAU ranks has only grown stronger, which has allowed them to land a couple elite recruits every year (who later fizzle out in college before getting woefully underdrafted based on their recruiting potential, assuming they get drafted at all). There is absolutely no reason in the world a guy like Morgan Moses should have fallen to the 3rd round outside of the fact he was coached by incompetent idiots at UVa. A guy with his size and mobility should have dominated the game, but he was outleveraged at almost every opportunity, especially in the games against us. Thats just bad coaching. I wish the adults in the Thoroughbred program would realize this and do whats in the best interests of the kids themselves and stop pushing them to UVa.
That post RULES... what killed me was seeing Moses go in the third while James Gayle sat waiting... hello- James ABUSED Moses for three years. I guess the NFL doesn't work like that.
They are 2 different games. Daryl Tapp owned D'Brickashaw Ferguson.
I always loved the name D'Brickashaw for some reason. However, my wife wont let me name my son that (if we ever have one). ;(
Easy solution here.
If she won't let you use that name for your son, then use it for your daughter. Problem solved.
But CML can guarantee playing time (and other benefits??) at UVa, so the t-breds will continue to send players there and we will watch them wither away while continuing our dominance over them on the field. Maybe two decades of dominance?
Unfortunately, the guys that run the thoroughbreds are like politicians, they are self serving. Mike London kisses their asses and probably throws them sort of kickback, so why would they turn their back on him? I'm not justifying their behavior whatsoever because it's criminal to deceive impressionable people for your own selfish gain. I'm just saying that I can see why they do it.
I can see why they do it. I just can't see why high school kids believe them.
I don't think it's classy to suggest that he's throwing kickbacks without any proof. I believe that taking the higher road is the right way to go here. Let's assume that there's some awesome character trait that makes CML appealing to the 'Breds "coaches."
He was a cop.
While this may be true, there's more than enough smoke around the situation to deduce something is up. Landing 2 Top 10 recruits who just happen to play with the Thoroughbred program who just happen to send kids to UVa annually who just happen to have coaches who take to twitter to publicly cry out "fuck VT" when one of their kids commits to the Hokies, all the while doing this when UVa is quickly devolving into one of the worst programs in the country with a coaching staff that is proving time and time again they simply don't get it while VT has twice as many outright conference titles in the past 10 years that UVa has shared titles in the past 60. And this doesn't even begin to touch the fact that this Thoroughbred program purposely sets major games and mandatory practices during weekends that are specifically lined up with VT recruiting camps in an effort to prevent their kids from attending... Something is up. Whether or not Mike London has anything to do with it, something is up, and its not like they're doing a real good job of hiding it.
This would be like (had he not been dismissed) Coach James Johnson pulling in 2 Top 10 recruits in basketball this year on the heels of UVa winning the conference title coming from the same AAU program, with a coaching staff that we later come to learn did everything in its power to prevent kids from stepping foot in Charlottesville. It would seem overly fishy for that to happen, and justifiably so. Where there's smoke, there's fire, and the Thoroughbred program looks like this:
Holy crap, that was a stellar rant brother. Truth flowing like the Nile. Let the turkey legs rain down. Can I get an Amen?!
Under all that smoke...
Idk if you guys have noticed, but Alum is on a frickin roll
Uhh...why did I get a downvote for this??
someone must have fat-fingered and not realized it. gave you one to balance it out.
That character trait is actually talking to them and acting like they belong as part of the recruiting process. Beamer has said that VT only deals with parents and high school coaches. The issue of 7 on 7 coaches is a gray area with a lot of potential pitfalls so Beamer chooses to not deal with them. London has seen this as an opportunity and capitalized. The 7 on 7 coaches feel like they should be involved, so they go with London. They felt disrespect and all London had to do was give them the time of day.
Add to that the image of an old, out of touch white guy versus the younger black guy who worked the streets as a cop (not saying the perception is valid, but it is there) and it is easy to see how the kids can be swayed.
Right or wrong, it is easy to deduce why some of them would like London over Beamer without resorting to accusations of clandestine arrangements and under the table payments. I personally am okay with Beamer's approach. I just realize that it is not without its own consequences so I am not baffled or infuriated when a Thoroughbred chooses LOLUVA.
Nailed it.
When Jake McGee, your best player on offense and probable NFL prospect, transfers from your program because he wants to better prepare himself for the NFL, you can no longer claim UVA is a great place for a player from a professional development standpoint.
Well, duh... WE know that... The problem is that there are too many people in the ears of kids who don't know any better convincing them of a reality that doesn't exist. By the time these kids get to UVa and realize the mistake they've made, its too late. Either they need to tough it out or transfer and sit out a year or 2 or transfer to a FCS school to play immediately. Either way you cut it, whatever option they choose, their NFL draft stock will inevitably take a huge hit and they're screwed. And all of this happens because they have grown adults (specifically, the people directly associated with the Thoroughbred program) with an agenda to push kids to UVa, even when all logic says its a mistake for the long term career prospects of the kids.
And for the record, I don't even care that they're not sending the kids to VT. Look, I understand that not everyone is meant to come to VT, and I understand there are better programs out there. Where I really think these adults are failing these kids is when they send them to such a hopeless situation like the University of Virginia. You're basically sacrificing the future of these kids just to adhere to some agenda, and that's wrong.
1-player, 1-position. Jake McGee is not really a complete representation. VT is known for their statistics, let's not resort to solitary examples to make dramatic conclusions.
As much as I hate to say it, UVA does well of putting their best players in the NFL. This list has 27 UVA players in the NFL, 31 VT players.
Sure I see your point, but right here, right now, recruiting for 2015 with London as coach, the transfer of a guy like McGhee has to be a huge red flag to anyone considering going to LOLUVA.
I don't see Benedict being drafted since your list appears to be players drafted. There is a good chance he isn't a starter this year.
Wonder if VT will be 'chaason' him
Speaking of Jaason Lewis , how many times has he decommit? Maybe his final commitment is with the good guys. I don't mean " YOU".
He won't be coming here, does not like bburg.
NO ONE does "not like" bburg - they just "not like" what they wrongly perceive bburg to be.
See: McKenzie, Shai (2014). Apparently hated blacksburg, but still committed to VT. There have probably been others, but let's see if we can't nab him from the grasps of the bad guys.
Also: Williams, (MF) Ryan.
Doesn't like Blacksburg??
A lot of talk this kid could change his mind several times before signing day