During the first week of August, redshirt freshman walk-on wide receiver Jackson Boyer was involved in an alleged physical altercation with multiple teammates in his room at the A-Loft hotel in Chapel Hill where the team was staying during fall camp, sources told Yahoo Sports. The incident allegedly left Boyer with a concussion, sources said.
When reached for comment last week by Yahoo Sports, Rob Boyer acknowledged that an incident occurred with his son but said, "I'm really not ready to comment on it."
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I never understood the point of malicious hazing.
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Academic fraud & attempt to cover up, now hazing of a team mate, these "Clowns" will never learn.
I know it's been stated many times on TKP, but this is why I sincerely trust the coaching staff and athletic dept. as a whole. The culture we cultivate in our players and our organization seems to prevent the prevalence of events like this.
Regardless of a program's success, the detrimental conduct of a program and its players will always persist in the annals of sports history and the minds of fans.
Yep. Anytime I see someone asking for a coaching change/ Frank retiring this is my first thought. I love that this program is run the right way, and hope it stays that way for a VERY long time.
Even after Frank's departure, I have zero doubts that the program will 'be run the right way'. Whit isn't going to hire anyone who does anything other than that. FTR, I don't think Weaver would have hired anyone like that, either. It's just not in our culture. We want to win it all, but not if we have to do cross certain lines. That isn't to say we've always been squeaky clean, we've had our missteps. But when you compare gifting a player's family a couple pickup loads of firewood to creating an entire major designed primarily to function as a clearinghouse for substandard academic players, it's not even a discussion.
We agree. I just think it's important to state and encourage everyone to have to attitude of "We don't want anything shady, period" over "Damn, we got caught"
It's funny. Once the wolfpackers got a little blood on their tongues after all these years of trying to pry open the vault of Carolina secrets, they have really been dragging it out on a regular basis. I have to admit, I enjoy it. The hypocrisy revealed, the sanctimony made evident, the pious nature proven fallible. I almost hate to admit it, but the NC State crowd has finally been successful at proving the heels are no more moral than themselves. Slow clap to them for it.
Speaking of pious sanctimony I always see ads for UNC's online MBA program. You know the one "the online MBA that you probably can't get into". Really??? That's how you are trying to get me interested in your online program?? F U! That's what I say to that ad. Every year they seem to get a bit douchier.
Nah, it's just that every year we're in the ACC we better understand why every other program has always hated them the most for decades on end.
No doubt.
I'm from NC and got tired of Carolina Blue everything.
Now I can't get on the internet or watch a YouTube video without that freakin' MBA ad popping up.
I don't need/want an MBA from UNC!
First and foremost, I hope Boyer recovers well from his concussion with no lasting effects. Whether or not he wants to remain on a team with the guys that (allegedly) did that to him is another matter, one that is up to him.
It is well past time to clean house down at UNCheat. This kind of stuff is unacceptable and should be grounds for immediate dismissal for the players involved, if not simply from the football team, but from the University.
It's a shame that one particular female professor isn't reminded of this. Although I'm sure she had long ago worked out some rationalization in her mind for it.
This is why UNC will never be great in football. All the scandal they are wrapped up in recently and they can't help but continue to add on to the pile. I'm sure the NCAA won't do anything about it though.
what's crazy to me is that with all of the allegations the NCAA hasnt done a thing to try and clean up unc. alot of fans of unc disgust me and still think nothing will come from their allegations of misconduct, but why should they? unc has a history of misconduct but they are one of the top selling brands of college athletics so I doubt the NCAA will ever step up and do the right thing.
on a different note, it makes me proud to be an alumni of vt. we run a clean program that has little tolerance for stuff like this. I hope the unc kid has a chance to play somewhere (at unc or not) and truly hope he gets better.
I hate to bring this up, but to all the people saying that our program is 'run the right way' --which I believe and sincerely hope is true-- didn't people say the same thing about Penn State? We don't know 100% what goes on in the athletic department
fingers crossed it doesn't happen at vt. with some of the guys that've released from the team in recent years I sincerely hope it hasn't. I feel like frank has tried to clean up the image of the program since 2005 but you're right we really don't know
My dad was close friends with a realtor that rented apartments to a lot of football players that lived off campus...including Mike Vick. He has some fascinating stories.
I totally consider this a reliable source, and by his accounts, Coach Beamer has cleaned up the program A LOT since 2005-2006.
I think that there is a difference in the two examples, though. I think Frank had a period in the early 2000's where he allowed some 'poor character' players on the team to go unchecked. I don't think that is anything like the academic fraud that UNC has woven into their fabric. Players getting into fights outside bars in the wee hours of the night is a bad thing, absolutely. That's all about lack of character in the players, though. Administrators guiding players to take cheat courses in order to remain eligible, etc. is about the players, the coaches, the athletic department and the university itself. Both are bad, but there is a difference. At UNC, they have both.
True dat.
You never know what kind of skeletons lurk within someone's (or an organization's) closet no matter how well you think you know them. Thankfully though, I do believe some, if not most of that cover-up came from JoePa's almost god-like status within the org./surrounding community. From my experience with our athletic dept., I believe there's a much higher level of accountability here, even with someone like CFB at the helm of the program.
I live down here in the middle of all these conceited jerks, I love being able to throw all this in their face. :-)
And I love that you are able to throw it in their faces. In fact, you don't even have to throw anything...they'll walk right into it themselves.
Would someone please remind me why they are ranked in the preseason? Also, how long before it's another ruling of "Lack of Institutional Control" handed down?
They are ranked because they are following the blueprint of The U.
Not quite up to their level, but trying to get there...
Thus, the ranking is an homage to days past, just like ND being ranked every year.
But, I thought uva was the new "U".
What a disaster program.
I'm sorry, but I'm going to rant on this a little while.
Having agents pay athletes to play at UNC. Giving out grades to non-existent classes to keep athletes eligible to play for UNC. Full-scale academic fraud designed to keep athletes eligible to play for UNC. And now Hazing of athletes at the University of North Carolina.
What the fuck else needs to happen at this school before the NCAA finally gets off their ass and does something? Any one of these incidents at practically any other school would have earned that school scholarship limitations and a multi-year postseason ban. At UNC, you have all of it, and the biggest punishment was that the school was put on probation. And its not like this is going on in the span of a couple years, no, this history of misconduct stretches over the span of at least a decade, possibly going back a decade and a half into the 90s. So I ask again, what the fuck else needs to happen before the NCAA finally gets that they have an institution that is completely running afoul of their own rules and regulations and does more than just slaps them on the wrist. They hammer Penn St for something a single coach did, and yet you have UNC over here practically flaunting the fact they think they're untouchable and you turn the other way. This is the single biggest case of academic and athletic corruption that collegiate athletics has seen, even including SMU.
See, this is why it pays off to cheat, because the NCAA, at its heart, is a completely spineless organization that doesn't do a damn thing to deter it. If you get caught, at worst, you get a slap on the wrist, and in most cases, they just turn the other way. I applaud the fact that we run a clean program here at VT, but sometimes, seeing schools openly flaunting their inability or unwillingness to follow NCAA rules and not getting punished for it... sometimes, it just makes me wonder if the moral pat on the back is worth it, especially seeing as how we've never won a national title in the history of the school.
Well, Miami skated....
And in order for something to occur at UNC, Dean has to move on to the big basketball court in the sky, Roy needs to retire to the other side of the country, and the ACC needs to be disbanded. Now, not all of that may happen in the next 5-10 years. But with their stronghold on NCAA basketball royalness as bestowed upon them, they won't get tarnished in other sports. The NCAA and ESPN NEED them to be hyped up and do well. Its unfortunate, and truly a sad commentary on how some get blasted, and some skate, but UNC won't get hurt if they haven't thus far.
Well then we should cheat, too. If the programs that 'need' to be good will never get punished, and with multiple outlets lamenting about how the ACC needs VT football to be good again, well then the hell with it, cheat early and cheat often.
I mean seriously, whats the point of playing it clean if there is absolutely no ramifications for cheating? Yeah, the moral pat on the back is nice, but that doesn't win games, it doesn't bring fans to the stadium, it doesn't get you hype on TV, and it doesn't win you titles. Clearly, watching UNC getting away with all the crap they've been doing over the past 15 years without so much as a slap on the wrist, while seeing their cash cow programs massively benefit from rampant cheating allowing the talent level of football to grow from a complete laughingstock to a preseason ranked program while watching their basketball program go from an 8 win team to 2 NCAA titles is appalling. UNC football is good because they cheated. Its that simple, and yet the NCAA is absolutely spineless to do anything about it.
Is it really cheating if you aren't going to be punished for doing it?
For years, steroid use was rampant in professional baseball, but everybody refused to accept that was the case. They figured these sluggers setting records were just physical freaks who could swing harder than anyone before them. There was no punishment for using steroids, until there was. Players started being suspended from the league, receiving heavy fines, having their names tarnished so as to never make it into the Hall of Fame. So they have the record, but now there's a * next to it thanks to their actions. Whether they are punished or not, they are now looked down upon as frauds for not truly being the people they said they were. So now you're proposing that cheating is okay because others are doing it and aren't being punished. Is it too much to think that these players/teams/coaches/schools are just on borrowed time until they are caught? Do you really want that to become part of the Virginia Tech football story? Do you really want to see a season with a * next to it? I'd rather know that we deserve to win and our success was earned through hard work, determination, and talent and not by bending and breaking the rules.
That's a whole hell of a lot of 'what ifs' for an organization that has routinely shown they are unwilling to enforce even the smallest of their rules when it comes to the big programs. I mean, I get it with the whole steroid thing, but the fact of the matter is, teams like the Cubs (Sosa), Cardinals (McGwire), Giants (Bonds), RedSox (Ortiz(?)), 1993 Phillies, etc... They didn't see any ramifications for openly allowing these rule-breakers to be in their clubhouse and on their rosters. They raked in the profits, went to the playoffs, won some titles (NL for the Giants, World Series for the RedSox) and yet, nothing was done, even though it is well known right now they employed players who cheated. The programs that stayed out of the muck, well for a lot of them, they were bad then, and they're still bad now. Nobody remembers (or cares) about the teams that were allowing this cheating to go on, they only cared about the players.
And again, this is all assuming that the NCAA suddenly grows a spine and starts actually punishing teams that step out of line. It hasn't happened since the SMU case (a punishment the NCAA deemed to be so severe they have openly said time and time again they will never use again) and even when they do throw down the gauntlet (like they did with Penn St) they eventually scale back the punishment so much that it might as well have never been applied. At least in the case with baseball, they had a precedence for dealing with cheating pretty harshly (with ejections & suspensions for doctoring the baseball for pitchers, for corking the bat for batters, and lifetime bans for betting on the game) so these roided up players really were playing with borrowed time. For schools right now? I don't think you can say the same.
Yes, this is a little old. (Written in Jan 2011.) But I still feel this way about Frank and our program. And I don't feel that we need to lower our "standards" in order to compete with cheaters. The closest we have been in recent years is MV5, and that was a disaster. The team, staff, atmosphere that we have now is setting up for a run of spectacular years of Tech Football!!!
Edit...links aren't working for me, so I'll post here.
Once again, I've heard a lot of rumbling about how something has to change with Hokie football due to the lack of ability to win. I call bullshit! Frank Beamer is everything that is right with college football, and I stand behind him. Let's look at some numbers, shall we.
VT was #7 in wins in the 2000's, with 99, behind Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State, USC, Florida and Boise. What do all of them have in common, other than Boise? A STRONG history of football, dating back well past 50 years. Not bad company to keep, I'd say.
Let's look at who won National Titles since 1990...Alabama, Florida, FSU, Miami, Oklahoma, Ohio State, USC, LSU, Texas, Tennessee. What else do these teams have in common? They all have been sanctioned by the NCAA by some measure over the same period of time. Some are varying levels, but vacating seasons and wins, losing scholarships, recruiting restrictions, suspensions, etc. You get the idea...
Virginia Tech and Frank Beamer are what's right with college football. Who has the most consecutive 10 win seasons currently? Who has the third longest current bowl appearance streak? What coach has the second longest current tenure at one school (behind JoPa...) with 24 years? Who has won 3 of the last 4 ACC championships? Who has done ALL of this WITHOUT sanctions, NCAA infractions, vacated wins, reduced scholarships, investigations? Frank. With all that is wrong in the college football world, win at all costs, firing of coaches when they win coach of the year, paying players, recruiting sketchy players that will hurt the squad in 6 years when the NCAA gets around to it, Frank runs a clean ship and WINS!
Still not fully convinced, and want more out of Blacksburg? Let's look at BCS history. VT is #5 in BCS appearances, behind Ohio State, Oklahoma, Florida and USC. Again, nice shoulders to rub. There's much talk about how we can't beat a top 5 team, and Tech is 1-14 against top 5 teams. Well, Tech is 7-1 against teams #6-10. Let's look at some other school's records against top 5 teams: UVA = 1-20, UNC = 1-40, NCST = 1-27, WVU = 1-38, Miami = 18-42 (tops in NCAA), ND = 21-64, USC = 19-53, OhioSt = 9-45, Clem = 2-32. So, as you can see, it's a misleading stat without much to surround the information. I'm sure Ohio State will get to double digits in the next ten years or so...
And let's not forget one of the biggest issues surrounding Tech football...it's only really been around since 1993. The 1992 season was awful, 2-8-1, but was the last time we didn't visit a bowl game. Frank has failed to win 9 games only 4 times in that time span. Tech has been ranked in the top 10 of the final polls 7 times. All of this has been accomplished with a single head coach and no NCAA infractions. Why is this such a bad thing?
Oh, and let's not forget who won a trophy this year named for the only person who has been coaching longer than he has, the Joe Paterno award went to Frank Beamer.
Frank Beamer and Virginia Tech football stand for everything that is right with college football, and should be applauded for their efforts in this sell-your-jersey, pay-to-play day and age. Thank you Frank for making every game matter, every tailgate matter, and leading such an outstanding Virginia Tech squad every year.
No. No we don't. We should not cheat, because cheating is wrong. We should do the right thing because it IS the right thing. End of that discussion. Now - to address why some schools seem teflon? It's because they enhance the overall message of the NCAA - you know, that phony 1950's blather about pure of thought word & deed 'students' just playing a sport for the love of the game, and nothing else. Quarterback dates the head cheerleader, that stuff. UNC enhances that. Duke enhances that, and no other ACC school enhances that, thus every other ACC school would get punished. Certain schools just won't get punished. Anyone that thinks Texas prospered all through the 60's-90's in football and never cheated? That's a moron. For gosh' sakes, they were going against Oklahoma & Nebraska much of that time. They were in the dirty SWC & the Big 8 before finally being in the Big 12. The NCAA protects some schools. John Wooden is a saint who was as dirty as Jim Valvano. Life's not fair. Do the right thing anyway.
This sentence pretty much encapsulates why the NCAA is regarded with such disrespect.
They punished Penn State over something that wasn't any sort of violation that was even punishable under NCAA's rules.
But punishing Penn State was easy, because of the nature of the scandal, and that if Penn St. tried to fight it, they'd get hammered all over again in the court of public opinion.
It was easy, and it was a way for the NCAA to puff up its chest, and divert attention from their abject failure to police all these other cases like UNC, Miami, various SEC teams, where actual violations that are within their charter to punish are either ignored or given slaps on the wrist.
I don't know if the NCAA can ultimately be saved at this point. With the Big 5 hinting they may go their own way, it may be too late.
But I do know that if the NCAA had spent more time handling their explicit business instead of working profitable deals with EA sports and paying their executives exorbitant salaries, they would have a whole lot more respect. And that respect would make the hurdle for the Big 5 to safely divorce themselves from the NCAA far higher.
The only people that respect the NCAA now are the people who don't pay attention, and just assume that a governing bureaucracy is good by default.
Fans and teams that are paying attention just have a growing and well-earned contempt for the organization.
Everything you have said is true and the only redeeming factor in all this cheating,deception,fraud & scandal is the fact that they have won nothing on the field,not one championship. You, are totally correct, Swofford &Ncaa protects their own! In the meantime UNC is 'Looking Into" these charges, call in 20yrs. When their investigation is over.Nothing but CONTEMPT for unc.
UNC is a
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UNC is the worst
WOW, unc is really getting tuff , just announced 4 players suspended 1 game, against Liberty.I am certain that will be a deterrent.
We'll see.