Like all of it (according to the tweet below):
#AZCardinals rookie QB @Lthomas_3 will play the entire preseason finale against the @Chargers.
#AZvsSD— Arizona Cardinals (@AZCardinals) August 25, 2014
It'll be on this Thursday at 10PM (although I'm not sure when/where it'll be televised). Just a heads up for anyone who wanted to watch
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I missed the last game against the Bengals but his stats were terrible so I'm surprised they're letting him start/play this whole game.
Not if they want to evaluate him...
He was really good with the 3rd stringers in the first game, then didn't see the field in the second. I think you're right, they want to see what he can do in a full game to know where (if) to keep him on the roster/practice squad
Arians has already stated that he will be on the travel roster
Very true. Did they ever mention why he didn't play at all in their second game?
It was scheduled that way from the start/
QB1 plays first half then Thomas the second half of game.
Next game the same except the other backup played the entire 2nd half.
Gotcha. Thanks
Well they cut Lindley and no starters or 2nd stringers really play in the last preseason game. Plus last night his last two incompletions including the pick were with like 20 seconds to go and the receivers just dropped it and on the pick it a receiver bobbled it in the air and it came right to the defender. He didn't play much last night though.
Seemed like the bengals were in the cardinals backfield a lot when Logan was in there too
I wonder why they brought in Lindley... I would assume they'd want LT around for at least a year of practice before cutting him (IF that's what happens), so I doubt he was ever really in direct competition with Logan. I guess they wanted a battle for QB2, or they thought Logan would be farther along
Lindley wasn't brought in, he had been already with the Cards. (I think 2012 draft pick). So they drafted LT because they thought he had better upside/future than Lindley, whose actual pro appearances werent the greatest.
I didn't realize they had 3 quarterbacks on the roster when they drafted LT. Writing was definitely on the wall for Lindley. Looking at Wikipedia, looks like Stanton was signed less than a month before they got Carson Palmer for 8.2 mil over 3 years, so they probably keep him around
I think this shows the stock Arians and the Cardinals have in Logan. Not many teams will only play one player in the final game - I think they really want him to develop into their QB of the future.
Also, FYI, Ryan Lindley was cut today so Logan should make the team and dress for a few games.
Well, I guess he can't be 4th string anymore. Should've done more research before my post above
Logan makes the cut, this is likely to see if they keep him on the active roster vs. the practice squad as mentioned earlier. Also chance to see what the rookie can really do managing a game and the experience never hurts.
Yup. I wonder if he does well enough does Drew feel the heat?
Not sure about that, but I'd say they are pretty happy with their back up situation unless LT has been lighting it up in practice. You never know in the NFL, if LT has a good game on Thursday maybe they bump him up to #2, but I doubt it given Carson Palmer's injury history.
It's a good chance for LT6 to show he can manage a whole game at the NFL level. Hopefully he does well.
Checking out the TV schedule, it doesn't look like it will be aired. I guess we'll just have to keep up with the sports tracker, unless, for whatever reason, it'll be on ESPN3.
Do you have the NFL Network. They repeat the preseason games throughout the week after they are played. I'm currently watching a replay of the Cardinals vs. Bengals game. If you cannot catch it live, you could always look through their schedule for the following week. They will definitely repeat it at least once. It helps if you have a DVR.
It doesn't come as a part of the package we're paying for, and I'm not sure I feel like the extra cost.
I hope he lights it the eff up so that he makes it a real challenge for the #2 spot. I always knew he was gonna prove the haters wrong. Something really good is gonna happen for him soon.
Logan Thomas last night- 9/21, 73 yards, 1 INT. He was also sacked 3 times. Yikes. I think Drew Stanton may be safe for now.
oof. Not a great outing.
I don't think he was really given the opportunity to succeed last night. I watched the whole game. AZ would run twice for no gain then give Logan a 3rd and long where the defense was blitzing with the OL barely slowing them down. I don't think anyone would have looked good in that scenario. There was also a lot of dropped passes that should have been caught. The play-calling was supposed to be as vanilla as possible since they're playing again Week 1.
... sounds. ... familiar
Something else that sounds familiar... on LT's int, the (very catchable) pass was tipped by his receiver directly to the safety.
I see you still have your Logan Thomas Excuse-O-Matic 5000.
Careful buddy
Did you watch the game and have a counter-argument to his statement? Or are you just one of those people who instantly oppose any opinion that is different from yours without thinking?
I just find it amusing that when Logan looks good it's proof he is amazing and when he's bad nothing is ever his fault.
I don't think the comment was saying nothing was ever his fault, just that it wasn't like he was the sole problem (Which is an argument common among his detractors, I think)
I'm getting bored with the LT arguments:
Time will tell if he makes it or not. Quit yer squabblin' and let LT keep hustling to make a roster spot
I can't predict how LT will develop in the NFL. But that game is the best training he could ever hope to receive. The Cards weren't playing to win, they were scrimmaging so players like LT could get in-game experience before holding a clip-board for 11 months and to give bubble guys the opportunity to make the squad or not. Arians didn't call the plays like he normally would. The OC scripted specific plays with LT to intentionally put him in uncomfortable positions, shine a blinding spotlight on his weaknesses, and force him to deal with them. It seems obvious to me that the organization is fully invested in him as a future QB and is doing what's necessary to ensure he develops and succeeds. He's in the best possible situation anyone could hope for.
I guess there is a difference between playing against backups and 3rd string players vs playing against the starters.
Those numbers are actually shockingly similar to his first road start against ECU in 2011. That season turned out alright.
Arians had this comment on LT6's performance after the game:
If I remember that play right, he avoided the first tackle and didn't see the other guy so he was pretty blindsided. I'm glad he didn't throw it away since he had no clue where anyone was at that point.
Watching that game last night, it was sloppy. The protection was awful. There's flags every other play. Even AZ starting QB wouldve had a bad day. Glad it was pre-season so Logan can learn more about the speed of the game.
His play in Arizona has been the same as it was when he was at VT, some days he's really good (GT in 2014) and other days he's really bad (Dook 2014). Unfortunately for him the QB position is not a position where he can afford to be bad, he needs to be consistent!
Looks like (unfortunately) he's got a long-ass ways to go. Dammitsomuch, LT3, why the hell didn't you light it up against them!? Sigh.
LT has always had horrible pocket presence. How does one even learn pocket presence? I'm not even sure that it is taught, it just something that is innate to some people. Of course, this comment will get downvoted on this site, but really, he's missing some very critical components to his quarterbacking game. You can't be average and succeed in the NFL. You have to very consistently show great touch, accuracy, and pocket presence. Therefore, I've always said that he has a better chance at being a starting TE in the NFL. Some of these qualities are just innate, and the mental side of quarterbacking is probably the hardest skill to learn in all of sports. I'm not trying to hate on him. I just don't want to see him go down Tebow's path to obscurity. I really hope he becomes a starter, and I hope he realizes that he has a statistically better chance at TE in the NFL, given his perfect physical gifts for the position and much, much lower learning curve.
Logan Thomas is a QB. His first pre-season game when he had good protection and good receivers proved that. Hes not TE . Get used to it.
The first game where he was playing against a bunch of guys who were on the chopping block during the first round of cuts is reason enough to show that is has a better chance to start at QB than another position?
Huh?
That's if you were an NFL HC, right? Tell me, how many current or former NFL players have you ever coached or trained in your life? Seriously, I'm curious.
LOL that right there is an argument that belongs on TechSideline.
It doesn't take a plumber to see a leaky faucet.
I think it depends more on how low you wear your jeans in determining plumbing skills. Just sayin'...
Sometimes I think all the world needs is a bunch of crazy Dr. Phil sayings
So contrasting a drafted QB that played QB in both HS and div 1 college, who was (again) drafted as a QB to play QB by a HC that used to play QB and be a QB on the pro level to a leaky faucet and plumbing? Just wanted to make sure I understood you.
Way to miss the point, yet again. Let me, yet again, explain it to you...
I don't care if we're talking about football, basketball, soccer, quiddich, or tiddlywinks. That message right there is nothing more than a trollish flame-job with the pure intention of starting an argument. That type of comment does not belong on TheKeyPlay. Its a subtle personal attack aimed at cutting down the credibility of the person you're speaking to rather than addressing the thought that was presented. That's the kind of shit that is expected on TechSideline, and not accepted on here. If you disagree with an opinion, present an argument counter to it, don't attack the credibility of the person making the comment. And if you are unable to do that, then refrain from commenting.
I mean I'll stand up right now and admit I'm the first one that doesn't have an idea or experience coaching a pro player at any position. But you sound like you have because your posts make it sound like you know what you're talking about. Just saying. So who have you coached? I think it's a legitimate question.
So you have to be a coach/have coached to know what you're talking about? AFAIK French, Mason, and most of the experts here haven't coached and guys like Bill Barnwell and Chris Brown (not the singer) seem to know what they're talking about without having been a coach. It's not a legitimate question to ask if he's been a coach because he has an opinion that's different than yours.
I trust French, Mason and AFAIK. Still haven't heard back from him regarding the player (players) he's coached. Also didn't help he made that plumbing analogy.
You're not going to hear back because its not a question worthy of a reply
Then in that case I'm gonna have to (mostly) conclude you haven't. Thanks.
God help me for wading in to this, but if you think you've identified a troll, why keep feeding it?
I know this was directed at Alum, but it's because he feels the need to be EVERYWHERE. Eventually it gets to you and you break down and reply hoping it'll go better this time.
Quite frankly, I've seen hokieknight create several arguments on TKP, and overall his comments regularly contain unnecessary profanity. I think his avatar expresses his level of maturity quite accurately. Maybe it's time for Joe to give him the boot.
woah easy there. this isn't something someone with 22 legs should be asking/requesting for. Leave it up to the big boss..
I think if you re-read my post that's exactly what I did...leave it to the big boss. And regarding your remark about 22 legs...let's just say I'm not the type of person who feels that I need to comment on EVERYTHING to enjoy this site or Hokie football. I'm as passionate as anyone here. However, I read this site multiple times a day and I've seen many comments from hokieknight that have rubbed OTHERS the wrong way. Again, I normally don't comment but when you constantly see this type of immaturity on a message board meant for people who are supposed to be rooting for the same team, it gets annoying and you feel compelled to address it. I understand your point, but legs aren't the only measure of the quality of a Hokie fan.
I'm fairly sure that was a joke...
It's all good! Hokie football starts tomorrow so life is perfect!
And for the record, I'm not the one who down-voted you. I'm confident enough in my opinion to accept yours.
So you think that a QB cannot be coached up by one of the best QB coaches in the business to limit mistakes and get rid of the few short-comings he has as a QB, yet that same player who has never played at the TE position can just switch and be an NFL caliber TE. Really?
Yes. There is plenty of data to prove this point. Look at the history of the 2014 pro bowl TEs Jimmy Graham, James Cameron, and Julius Thomas.
Yes, let's look at the history of those three players:
Jimmy Graham played an entire season at UM as a TE, his first year of football.
Jordan Cameron (I assume you did not mean the filmmaker) played an entire season as a tight end at USC and played wide reciever the year prior to the switch.
Julius Thomas only played football in college in 2010, as a TE.
All three of these players also played college basketball, which taught them fundamentals like boxing out and body position that transfer well to the TE position. I think the basketball connection should not be underplayed. How often has Logan had to out-leap an elite level athlete for a ball like these three former basketball players did on a regular basis. Did Logan Thomas play basketball or an entire season as a TE in college? He did play wide reciever some in high school, but that was a long time ago. He has since spent four years playing QB, only one of which actually being coached properly on the position. To simply think that being an NFL caliber tight end only requires a combination of size and speed is a bit naive. Logan would be a project at TE. He is a project at QB, but he is already much further developed as a QB.
Five if you count his redshirt year.
The thing is, Logan is doing the same things he's been doing for three years, good and bad. He's going to be given his due chance and shouldn't immediately switch to TE or any other position. However, next years preseason games will probably make or break him at QB. If he is still doing the same things or improves very marginally then he needs to consider switching if he wants to have a fruitful NFL career or play in a different league. I've defended him a lot, but there's only so many receivers that can consistently drop or deflect balls into picks before I have to look at Logan as a big part of the problem.
Good QBs make everyone else look better by making their jobs easier.
I see what you're saying but there is no way Arians moves him to TE. As long as he is on the Cardinals he will be a QB, barring something crazy happening. Arians knows what he is doing developing QBs and will continue to work with Logan, TE is out of the equation at this point.
Has Arians been successful at development? True, he broke Peyton Manning into the league, but Peyton was never described as a "project." I think it's been shown repeatedly that QB coaches think they can turn any physical specimen into an elite QB. Most of the QBs never actually pan out. (Vince Young, Patrick Ramsey, Cade McKnown, Jamarcus Russel, the list goes on and on). I truly hope Logan and Arians are outliers, but I say that without any confidence.
A lot of it depends on how much the player wants to develop.
I've never heard any reports about LT being unwilling to grow or learn. But that was pretty much Vince Young and JaMarcus Russell's reputation. And, honestly, for a while that was MV7's reputation too, but his freakish athleticism hid that in Atlanta so no one talked about it.
Yeah, pretty sure every single one of the QBs mentioned above had pretty significant motivation/work ethic issues.
I wonder how long Arians will try to develop him as a QB? I question if Arians really will not consider using LT as a TE if he doesn't see him progress as a QB. Logan has too much talent to sit on the bench.
My guess is that once Palmer is done Arians could give Logan his shot at being the starter. The question is how much longer does Palmer play?
..so LT3 is STILL the most polarizing figure for VT. I get this feeling that this debate will still be going on in 2020.
I think the issue between these two guys goes a little deeper than Logan Thomas. :-)
I was (mostly) ignoring that part although yes HokieKnightFx has figured out ways to annoy a decent amount of the members here. There are plenty of other people in the thread debating legitimate points about LT3(6) outside of that. I always find the debate interesting since to me the issues were much more than LT3 but we use him as the whipping post to attack/defend the program during his tenure.
I call him LT3x2 (El Tee Three Times Two)
It seems to me it revolves around whether a mature discussion can be held on TKP, or immature and insulting repeated rants are rewarded. It's something new virtually every day. Time after time after time - guidelines of the site are broken, with no apology offered, only a barrage of multiple replies trying to drown out any negative feedback and inflate point totals. It just never stops, with zero accountability and zero consequence for rule breaking behavior. Other posters try to warn, yet zero acknowledgement is given. Just constant flaming, trolling, and disruptive behavior, with zero consequence. I could visit TSL if I want this type of juvenile embarrassment.
That's the inherent danger of an up/down vote system. This site is starting to get like Reddit. There is a constant pandering for up votes by a majority of people posting. Whether it be posting "Leg for x", "Why did this get a downvote?!", a stupid meme, generic "Every game is winnable, we just need to prepare for the game and play well", altar boy moral high ground comment about respecting people, or how every player is a saint and is going to do well.
I understand the intent of the system, but I can't help but think that publicly displaying point totals has stifled the variety in the community.
It's understandable. On the one hand, he set VT records for passing, was one of the most physically imposing QB's we've ever had, and made some incredible plays. On the other hand, our down seasons were with him at the helm, he was often maddeningly inconsistent, people thought he should have been a TE, and that his potential at QB wasn't fully tapped making him a 'what if' kind of player. I can't imagine another player having this effect on a fanbase at VT for a while if ever.
LT will make the team, and Arians knows he has the tools to be a QB in this league. It's just going to take time. The key thing is he has the tools.
If you have a rusty hacksaw, I can't teach you how to be a carpenter...but if you have a Makita sliding compound miter saw, I probably could.