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Hire Paul Johnson to run the offense.
Al Groh for defense!
joking or not, this is not funny. Paul Johnson is not worthy to play the Hokies let alone be a Hokie.
It was a joke and it was kind of funny I thought
sads
If Leal was starting, the defense would have played better
First quarter was embarrassing, running game was embarrassing, dropped passes by multiple receivers were embarrassing...in the grand scheme of things, I'd rather have the OSU win than this ECU win, but damn this sucks. I guess we always have a big September loss every year, I guess we all were a week late on predicting which one is was going to be.
To top it all off, UVA pulled the upset against Louisville. Just a terrible day.
Something about Mission Accomplished shirts and how they really weren't a good idea
i actually agree with you 200%
Ohmygodyes. Thank you for this.
i guess this is the joke thread. ..
there is one positive from this.
we ruined ohio states season
Haha yesss. OSU must be so mad right now
Got a text from anOSU fan that said "you were able to screw our season two weeks in a row." It made me smile at least for a split second.
Can someone please explain to Bud Foster that you can only have 11 guys on the field at one time. My issue is with all the mental mistakes/penalties.....kicking the ball out of bounds with a min+ left...WTF!
As soon as the kick went out of bounds I knew how the story would end. I'll take responsibility, I wasn't wearing my BeatBama shirt which incidentally is 1-2, but it was 1-1 this year damnit... even if I watched the game the day after it had already been won. My bad guys
I'd suggest you go tell that to Foster yourself. I hear he's a really nice guy. Give it a shot.
Was our equipment manager paid to coat our WR gloves in butter?
They had plenty of balls slide through their hands, but they had to reach behind them or twist and turn just to get their hands near a lot of those too. Big drop off in Brewer's play. I said after last week that we'd see how things look when all of his close plays against anOSU go against him, we'll this is how that looks.
Man, I feel like ECU got a lot of lucky breaks. Not from the refs or anything, but whenever a pass went wild, they still managed to catch it.
Or we bat a ball down at the line, but they still turn it into a completion and a first down.
That first shot he took today seemed to ring his bell, maybe a lack of confidence in the line I don't know, I'm still grasping at straws.
And then coat ECU's uniforms in oil!
Man, we couldn't tackle for crap today.
We miss T-Mobile!
Who in the hell is Bud Foster's body double that was out there coaching today?
Carden has more freckles than we had yards
Carden has more freckles than UVA had fans at their spring game
We got beat by Burt Macklin. ... you son of a bitch.
We beat anOSU, sing along with me now...
Blaming Foster for this is rather short sighted. We got beat, plain and simple. Our offense was asleep, Brewer looked human again and their D looked like ours at the beginning of the game. The defenaive calls were fine but Facyson was rusty and got beat early in the game...badly. The season isnt over and th ACC championship is still in play.
Sorry, but you can blame Foster. He's not a god and had a terrible game plan to start the game. On 3/4 possessions in the first quarter they scored 3 TDs. They picked on Facyson the whole time. ECU took advantage of the blitz. Yes, he adjusted, but it was too late as we spotted them 21 points. Sure the offense got nothing going, but still the way ECU methodically carved the defense up the first quarter because they were doing the same thing over and over again shifts blame.
If the offense had a pulse the game has a different outcome. Foster's scheme depended on his corners playing like last week and Facyson had an off game. After Foster took him out and put in Riley things got better.
That being said, sure he gets some blame, but putting it all on him is laughable given the offense's struggles as well.
Except from the start of the game the corners weren't playing on that level, not even close. I gave the first drive a pass, but by the third we were doing the same thing and it wasn't working. They were fresh, confident, and ready to go. Getting to the QB was not working but he kept trying the same thing while ECU was abusing half the field.
The fact that the DBs played on an island for so long after it wasn't working was what I blame him for. Yes, after the 1st quarter things got into line, but that doesn't excuse the previous failure.
I love Bud and I am no football expert I must say but why did we not provide some kind of help for the DB's? It wasn't like our extra man on the blitz really got through. The only thing ECU QB "Freckles" had to do was lob the ball in the air. It isn't lille our guys really look back anyways... There is still hope I am just glad this is going to be our last spread opponent for a while *Crossing Fingers*
There's a tweet that petebuddywilson posted on the open thread that Chase Williams said there wasn't an adjustment, the defense just started executing. Facyson had a nightmare game.
I am worried that Facyson is still not 100%. He doesn't have the quickness we saw last year. On the first big play he gave up, he had his back to the QB the whole time. He never turned around. Then it happened again. And again. At that point, I said to myself that there was something wrong with him. Last year, he would have read the WR's eyes and flipped around at the last moment to make a play on the ball. Now, he's reading the WR's eyes, but then is just sticking a hand out to try to get in the way. Against good WRs like ECU has, that doesn't work.
Yes, these things. I buy that Facyson isn't back to 100% yet, or at least needs more time to get back into proper game form. He killed us early on.
I was impressed with ECU's WR. All big, strong, fast. Our CB were sleepwalking early in the game, but we finally got on track and played decently on the back end. At least, decently enough. After the first quarter, we gave up seven points against a very explosive ECU passing game. (General side note: It's "on track" NOT "untracked". F*cking lazy journalists)
I sure hope he's not fully healthy, cause he looked BAD out there today. He was getting beat on simple routes, not making the appropriate adjustments you're supposed to make, and it allowed ECU to carve us up in the first quarter.
If he's not healthy, he shouldn't be playing. It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for him to miss the GT game if he's not 100% to allow him to rest up and get fully healed.
I thought the coaches made good adjustments. Brewer was a little off today: looks like his back may be acting up again. Over compensating by sailing long passes.... Wait this is an end of the world thread....
Fire Beamer! Put in Leal! We lost all our recruits! It was those uniforms. Weaver did this to us! It's never the defense's fault
Just a horrible day for football in the Commonwealth.
In all seriousness...I was at a bar (Hog Heaven) in the middle of nowhere with 3 other ECU fans - go figure. We all were into the game bigtime, but both sides showed each other a lot of respect, shook hands and parted friends. Lots of boneheadedness on both sides, lots of iffy ref calls...still...good game... and we had ALL kinds of freshman out there (kicker included).
Bottom line folks, we WERE NOT GOING TO GO UNDEFEATED THIS YEAR.
Dust off, be happy we have all of these young guys taking a few lumps, and go get 'em next week. Lots to play for yet.
While we certainly weren't going to be undefeated, this is the kind of fucking game you simply cannot lose, and the kind of game that shows exactly why Frank Beamer will never win a national championship. We simply were not prepared for this game, which is entirely inexcusable after Frank said in the postgame interview last week that we needed to focus on ECU. What the fuck was going on in practice this week to have the kind of mindset that allows ECU to open up an easy 21 point cushion on us in the first quarter without really doing anything fancy? They were beating us on easy simple shit that no team in this level should get consistently beat by. We lost this game in the first 12 minutes, and there is no fucking excuse for it.
All the national goodwill, all that recruiting momentum, all the praise by the pundits... completely undone in the span of 12 minutes because you didn't have your team ready to play today. Thats bullshit, and the kind of result that should not be acceptable in this level of the game. We're paying Frank over $2m a season, I would sure hope for that kind of money you'd be able to get a team ready to play on the weekends. Unreal and unacceptable.
You need to take a deep breath....and a nap.
I think I can guess who down-voted you... Old salty balls "Fire Beamer Guy"
I uplegged both of you to offset it
Hey, remember the guy that wrote this post?
I still stand by that article.
Look, its one thing if the team came out fired up and just got beat. I would be ok with this loss if we played with fire and there were a couple freshmen mistakes here and there. What will tick me off is watching the team sleepwalk through the first quarter because they were simply not mentally prepared for a football game this morning. Whats even more frustrating about the performance is after they started to wake up, we completely erased the large hole we dug ourselves, only to mentally checkout over the remaining 90 seconds of the contest. To spend all week telling the media its imperative we focus on East Carolina and then come out THAT flat is a little befuddling.
All I ask is to see these guys play hard on a weekly basis. It shouldn't matter if we're playing Ohio State or Appalachian State, we should come out each week ready to play, and today we weren't ready. Good coaching staffs just don't let that happen, and yet we seemingly see games where we're sleepwalking at least once a year. Credit to the players for almost pulling it out, but come on.
I'm sure your suggestion to play hard on a weekly basis will give each and every player pause so they can rethink why they've decided not to do that already.
Sike, this comment fails to appreciate that even very good teams will sleepwalk through some portion of the game. The hangover effect exists, we aren't immune. We lost to a good team. Not a great one, but a good one, and one that should do well in their conference this year. Here's the kicker: we aren't a great team, either. We're a good one, and one that should do well in our conference.
Aside from the first quarter, the defense played pretty well. 7 points over the remaining three quarters against an offense like that? With that QB? And those receivers? I'd take that performance in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, the dumpster fire of a first quarter was ultimately too much to overcome.
The pattern of this game matches the Boise State game we played in DC. Didn't show up for quarter 1, played pretty well over the rest of the game, only to lose it at the end. Let's just not let this one hang over like that one did.
GT next week. Mission just now starting. Maybe I'll print up a t-shirt to that effect.
The guys were asleep. Absolutely shameful. I give ECU credit. But VT can't continue to lose this kind of game. Its plagued our football program and we will never win a national championship with these kind of losses. And what hurts is that we've lost all that recruiting momentum
I wanna upleg yours (and a number of other posts I agree with). Unfortunately I can't. It's the "Ecu love hug" fest that prevents me. But I do agree with a significant portion of your post.
^^^
Alumni: He doesn't get the joke of this thread
Recruiting momentum? We can look at every OL ox in the country and realistically say "We need you to play immediately and for 4 years." Our fans have the chance to do what anOSU did last week and not jump ship, show class and support this team no matter what. The recruiting process doesn't take place entirely over a 4 hour span in September.
In spite of the jokey nature of this thread I gotta agree with alum. A loss was probably a given this season as vt is a larger rebuilding job than anyone really wants to admit. But the fact that the loss happened right after osu kinda devalues that win. It also gives further credence to the notion that Frank is much better as the hunter than the hunted.
All respect to ecu as they came to play and it seems obvious that there isn't much of a talent gap between the two programs. But the fact that both the coaches and the players were still talking about osu on Thursday should have been a red flag.
Leadership and discipline.
In regards to the notion that this loss devalues the OSU win, I respectfully disagree. Walk with me through this, if you would...
Imagine (please, just hear me out) that VT regroups and rips it up in conference this year. Come November, if ECU is the only loss on our record, couldn't you see the pundits and talking heads saying something like, "They did lose to ECU at home, but remember, that was after that big Ohio State win. They've really gotten it together since then."
Full disclosure, I don't think this will happen. I see two more losses, maybe three this season. But this one loss does not devalue the win in Columbus. If anything devalues that, it's if we wind up 6-6 or so.
He doesnt need a deep breath or a nap. we regularly come out flat against teams we should beat. I'm fucking tired of it. The difference between a good team (of which we've had many) and a great team (of which we've had a few) is taking care of business against teams we should beat.
If teams always beat teams they 'should' beat we would've lost last week and won this week, and we'd still be 2-1.. would you feel better about that?
I think the regular bad losses sting way more than the once in a damn blue moon big wins, so yeah.
You would seriously give up the win at OSU to beat ECU this year? Well not me, we won in prime time in front of the whole world, and lose a noon game when 5 other games are on. OSU was a statement win, todays game was just another loss, and we are still 0-0 in ACC play, our goal to win the ACC is as likely as it was to start the season
osu statement win gets thrown our the door by espn and every other credible college football source after seeing us get manhandled 21-0 in the first quarter. It leaves what if's an ohh braxton didn't play talk..
ecu's only tough game is UNC next.. I bet they won't come out flat and go behind 21-0
I disagree, 20 years from now we won't give 2 shits about losing to ECU, but we'll always remember going to the horseshoe and taking care of business... and who cares what espn says
i beg to differ because right after we say yeah we went into the shoe and won will come the yeah but then we shit the bed the next week.
OSU win was great however it just shows that it was a fluke and we still are 1-34 against top teams. a blind squirrel gets the nut every once in awhile
If a blind squirrel gets the nut every once in a while, then you shouldn't be surprised that we got beat by a blind squirrel today.. it happens
it happens every year..!!!
Then your apparent surprise seems odd
Who gives a shit what ESPN says about it? That was one of the best experiences I've had as a fan, and I'm not throwing that out the door. I'm cherishing it for the rest of my life.
I get the distinct feeling you did not watch the game. Their wide receivers are gods among men. This ECU team was grossly underrated and had mismatches against us all game. This isn't ACC play and the amount of butthurt on this site from losing to a good team is very disconcerting. We made it close, had an opportunity to win and they out executed us just like we did to OSU last week. I'm extremely proud of our fanbase for making Lane a tough atmosphere and all things considered that was a fun game to watch down the stretch. Relax.
Everyone ,should take a deep breath & remember " You are never as good as you think you are , nor are you as bad as you think you are. Very tough loss, but still looking foreward to next week & some redemption. Go HOKIES, Let's beat the S**t out of GT.
Pawleys Island Hog Heaven?
Hog Heaven in Pawleys Island SC.
Hog Heaven on Windley Key, FL
Losing to ECU is certainly no proud moment, but at least it isn't as embarrassing as storming the field after beating a team ranked 22nd.
I'm pretty sure that's just a case of someone opening a bottle of Zima down there.
Ha! Very nice
more photoshop if you ask me
I support rushing the field as often as possible for any team. It's college. Have fun. Build memories
this
see, I laugh at those people.
It's not like they often have a reason to rush their football field.
I think I'm surprised that:
a.) they know how to rush the field.
b.) they don't find it uncouth.
Fuck everybody shitting on my Hokies. We aren't as good as last week. We aren't as bad as this week.
Regardless (or "irregardless", if you prefer) they're still my Damn team and I'll scream Go Hokies til I die!
"they're still my Damn team and I'll scream Go Hokies til I die!"
Who the heck downvotes this kind of spirit????
Get a grip out there.
But but but.... he said a naughty word on the internet!
Sarcastic downvote
want to hear a joke... Cam Worthy 6 catches 224 yards, hahah fucking hilarious that bud couldn't play some zone defense. he had a 31 yard fade catch and a 28 yard fade catch its that fucking easy for em in the 4th quarter
Everyone is in panic meltdown mode everyone needs to CALM THE FUCK DOWN!!!!! Since the summer of 2013 everyone has been saying 2016....2016.....2015......2016. Yes this team is talented BUT YOUNG we are still in the transition of a program facelift and this is just another one of those growing pains. Should we have lost to ECU probably not but ECU is a good team better than the 3 OT Marshall team we beat last year and I'm calling it here ECU finishes in the top 25 with a top 15 passing offense and in the hunt for the AAC championship. If there is anyone people need to get mad at its ESPN for over hyping ANOSU for 2 straight seasons and the coaches for letting the players watch that stupid shit and ESPN dick riding them all week.
In which way what so ever does this deserve a down vote?
Don't read into downvotes too much. (It wasn't me, but you're better off not worrying about one downvote)
Some people can't accept optimism apparently.
It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.
Take solace Ohio State, at least you lost to Virginia fucking Tech! Not the Purple Butt Pirates of Eastern Carolina!!! For fucks sake, it's like losing to Eastern Kentucky. It can happen. But its not supposed to. Fuck you Weaver for giving us this match up for the next 8 decades. The sooner the ACC bans these kinds of match ups the sooner ECU can go back to being a community college and leave ball to the big boys.
This is not like losing to Eastern Kentucky. I'm going to guess you either have short-term memory problems or you just haven't been a fan for very long, because we do in fact lose games every season, often more than one, and many times it's to a team that is not as good as we are.
ECU however is a good team, maybe not as talented as us, but certainly better than teams like Eastern Kentucky etc. Take a nap.
I dont remember the game being all grainy and black and white...
Lmao. SIT DOWN RAPIST! Oh, I'm sorry. I'm supposed to wait until I've heard everything.
Bud needs to call off the hounds when they are constantly beating them deep. I think ego got ecu 14 points.
The offense was out of rythem all day and looked just as lost as our older offenses. The line was brutally terrible and the backs just can't hit holes. I think beamer Jr. Is not the man to be coaching backs. And we need a real o line recruit or two.
This team is still 3 to four years away!
Agree on Bud today. It is technically possible NOT to blitz...
The offense answered from down three scores on a day where the defense was eating our lunch. I'll always take that.
Holmes and JCC about had me ready to say Beamer the Younger was a bad hire. But Trey progressed all throughout last year, and Juice and Shai are playing fundamentally sound football. I think Shane had hit his stride. Let's give Searels a chance to hit his.
I know this isn't a hot take, necessarily, but I DVR'd both the UVA and GT games, and, wow! The ACC showed up today!
Plus BC! #goacc
Not sure if that's sarcasm...since Louisville is in conference now, and GT damn near blew a 25 point lead to a Sun Belt team that's still transitioning from FCS.
Foster continually rushing 6-8 and putting our DB's on an island killed us.
Yes, this is what we did last week.
Repost from other thread: My hat's not off to ECU. I'm not giving them credit, because we did not come to play today. The team could say that they were done with Ohio State bit they weren't. Defense gave up too many big plays and offense missed too many opportunities. I had a feeling this would happen. It's sad, truly. There sent all of the momentum we had nationally. I'm sick of being just a run of the mill team in the ACC. I mean, why is it that we play better in games when the opponent's ranked? Why? That shows a problem. We need to come in every game with the hype like we are playing Ohio State. When will it be OUR time? The only bright side is that we still have ACC title hopes... And that is ONLY if we come out a better team next time.
For the record, mission not accomplished. Mission will never be fully accomplished until we have a national title, really. Improvements are one thing, but they have to be consistent. I AM SICK of this being our ceiling. I feel bad for the seniors, I truly do. Because if we beat Ohio State, we could beat anyone, right? Sure, the beating OSU gave the fans and the team a high, but what does that win mean now? It's a good win. It will go down in the books, yes. But what does that win mean now? It should have been a win leading to the ultimate goal.
Regardless, next goal is ACC championship. I won't be pleased until we have that. We can only go up from here...
Seven drops by receivers in the second half. Brewer had a terrible first half, and Ford and Stanford didn't catch a few in the second. Ford obviously showed up eventually, but this was a comedy of errors for us.
I get the whole hangover effect. Happens to the best of them. You'll even see the best teams play poorly for a half after a big win, but eventually get it on track and pull out victories. We didn't do quite enough to get it all back after the first quarter.
There are a number of things I didn't like about this game, including Facyson having a bad game, our inability to block that massive DT they had, and Brewer's hail mary. How do you throw the ball ten yards out of the back of the end zone on the only play that can keep the game alive. Un-f*cking-believable. He was off today.
Georgia Tech is up next. Now, if we can finally put the Ohio State game behind us and focus on the next game, we should have a lot of pent-up aggression to take out on the youcandothats.
Just throwing this out there. On Brewer's "off" day he was 30-56 with about seven receiver drops. No worries at QB.
Gotta cut down on turnovers though. Even though ECU didn't score off of them, the two INTs hurt us.
The o-line is the most troubling thing to me. When I went to school we had Jake Grove win the Remington award. What the heck happened?
Ugh, see now you're leaving me with a conundrum.
I want to upleg the comment because its so damn true its depressing. Then again, I want to downleg it cause... well, fuck that guy and his goofy stache and his purple tie.
I'll take indecision. Better than if I were standing next to French when I posted this; he probably would have punched me in the face. Pretty sure I would die if that happened.
I chose upleg. The truth of the matter outweighed the burning desire of a million heartstruck lover going through puberty at a mud wrestling match that I have to want to punch that guy in the face. That stupid punchable face.
Man, if you and terriblemetaphorguy joined forces, that would be something else. Best laugh I've had in hours.
Bill Laimbeer for O-Line coach. He would have them playing tough or stabbing people with shivs.
He looks like a stupid 70s out of work pornstar actor.
Yay, another fellow Mining Engineer!
Jake Grove graduated
We lost because of those stupid helmets. UNC wore THE EXACT SAME ONES when they got torched by... ECU.
Equipment managers, get your heads in the game. Y'all shoulda known better.
(This post in no way is meant as a slight toward the US Military. God Bless Our Dudes in Uniform.)
And dudettes.
"Dude" is unisex in my world.
I also hold "guys" when referring to a group, as a unisex term.
As in, "I was hanging out with the guys at TKP."
And I'm sorry, but until the attitude of "We're just 2-1, it isn't the end of the world" stops, we will never when the big one. Just saying. The big one should be our ultimate goal. It isn't the end of the world, but it isn't our ceiling and we need to stop acting like it is.
EDIT: Getting down-voted for saying that expecting to lose games a few games a year shouldn't be our ceiling but also saying this loss isn't the end of the world? Okay? Because that totally makes sense?...
Thank you ^^^
EDIT: don't worry about it. You've got wayyy more upvotes than down. Plus, with your number of legs you don't need to be concerned.
Our fanbase is infested with too many older alumni who were around for truly bad football for us to ever get mad as a whole that the team continues to shoot itself in the foot in WTF losses year after year. As long as we're making bowl games and keep getting on national television and occasionally playing for conference titles, there will never be major pressure to take the next step as a program.
Now, that doesn't mean that someone like Whit Babcock is going to necessarily accept the fact we annually see games like this.
I thought we all agreed you were gonna take a nap.
I'm sorry dude. No hard feelings. I don't disagree with everything you are saying, but the tone of your posts is starting to become: "conduct unbecoming of a TKP member".
Why not take a break and regroup. You don't want to lose the respect of the community that likes you.
No hard feelings here, either.
I'm taking a break anyway (reason I was even on here is because I had some late work dumped on my ass yesterday at 5pm right before I signed out of work, and I needed to finish it up, so I was already in a pissy mood before the 1st quarter battleshits that was being played in our secondary) as my wife is calling me down to get away for some dinner.
Its all good. I used that gif cause I just liked the movie, and I tried to use the most lightheated one I could find.
Maybe the team is not as good as you expected them to be. Maybe last week was the fluke.
Really.... Chill dude.
I don't know if "infested" is the word I'd use. But you can't follow up a win at the horseshoe with a performance like we had against ECU. It's a momentum killer and whether folks like it or not, perception matters. VT is in a good place. Support and resources are there, and supporters aren't fair-weather bammers who call for a coach to be fired as soon as the team doesn't win a national championship. That said, expectations are higher now and the staff should reflect that. A performance like what happened in the first quarter today shouldn't be acceptable or dismissed based on previous standards for success.
As an older alumni and knowing many others , I can assure you we are not satisfied with these poor showings & losses that should have been wins . Your post today contradict everything you said in your rant titled "I need to get something off my chest" . I would suggest re -read your own words of sept 10.
truth. everyone needs to chill the fuck out. we lost. it's happened nearly every year the Hokies have played football. Calling for coaches heads after 1 loss is immature whining attune to a toddler. stop. it makes you and Hokie fans look bad. We went from 2 below average seasons but still going bowling to this year, where we are 2 - 1 after having beat OSU the #8 in the country. They're called trap games for a reason. We trapped OSU. We got trapped.
We got knocked down. What makes a man is how you get back up. You gonna whine like a bitch or stand up like a man?
enough with the chicken little crap and support the team you profess to love. Be humble in wins AND losses. And when we do lose come back swinging.
I for one pity the fool that is GT. I suspect we will be out for blood and to make a statement. I would be so utterly pleased to beat down the jackets and Paul Johnson to the point of irrelevance. Let's focus on that.
Osu bounced back in a big way blanking Kent state 66-0. Just due to the nature of the offense I wouldn't expect to shut out GT but I think the team will come out pumped up and gunning for the jackets. I want blood. I hope the team does too.
It's also important to have realistic expectations, if the only goal is a national championship then there is nothing left to play for now.. this team is too young and too shallow on the depth chart to expect to win every game..You have to have the players to win the big one first. It's not a lottery system, you have to have the talent on the field to win every game... I think this years ceiling is an ACC championship, I just don't see enough talent on the field right now to win 2 playoff games, maybe by the end of the year if the freshman develop, but right now they are showing their youth at times.. combine that with some injuries at very key positions and I think 2-1 is an ok spot to be in
acc championship that's going to be a tough task with this O-line..my gram could have sacked brewer tonight.
With this O line this team will be lucky to win 7 games.
Our ceiling this year is an Orange Bowl win. With this loss, we're not going to make the playoffs, even if we run the table and beat FSU in Charlotte. The committee is not bound to putting teams in by ranking, and they're going to be looking for every excuse possible to leave a team out with there only being 4 spots. This game is their excuse.
With that said, if we win the division, we should be a pretty solid bet to make the Orange Bowl. We win the game, and that's where we'd be, and if we lose, its likely FSU goes to the playoffs, and the OB would still be our destination. And give this team a month to prepare for an opponent, and I like our chances, even after today's effort.
There's not going to be 4 undefeated teams at the end of the season. If VT can run the table and end up at 12-1, then that means FSU (or any other ACC team) won't be undefeated either.
In 2007, there's a good chance that we could have made a 4 team playoff, despite getting our ass handed to us on a platter by LSU.
Point is, it's too early to say never.
Weren't we #3 going into bowl season that year? We absolutely would have made the playoff. Even with two losses (we don't speak of the second one).
The narrative that year was that the blowout loss at LSU should keep us out of any conversation for the national title. ESPN was hammering that point home early and often and it worked. It worked so well that we actually had a lower BCS value after the ACCCG than before, despite winning, and despite rising to #1 in the Computer Polls. There was a strong push to keep us out of the title game, and with the playoff committee already saying they aren't taking rankings into consideration, I wouldn't have put money on us making the playoff that year. There was an agenda, and we weren't a part of it.
Well, 2007 was crazy enough anyway. But looking at those final rankings, it would have been hard to push us out of the top 4. This was also before the "SEC is God" phase really started.
Ohio State was set with only 1 loss. No one else could match that. LSU, VT, and Oklahoma were 11-2, having won their conferences. Georgia was 10-2, not even in the SEC title game. USC was top of the Pac-10 with 10-2. Kansas was 11-1, having lost the one game that would have put them in the Big 12 title game.
Yes, in BCS rankings. I was looking at HokieSports.com, which uses AP rankings. We were #5 there.
Nailed it.
This x 1000
I agree with you, but as for this season, nobody really expected us to go 12-0 and/or make the playoffs. It was just unreasonable to think that.
For me, if we make it to Charlotte and win a bowl game that's a good season because it's better than the last, and we'll be well on our way to the playoffs next year, which could be a reasonable thought.
Really? After the seasons we've just had? And you're thinking national championship this year?
With the youth on our team right now? And you're thinking national championship this year?
Our ceiling is national champion. But, this year?
For real?
I wasn't expecting a national championship this year, but it hurts year after year having great wins and then losing to a team we should not have lost to (not dissing ECU, their quarterback and whole team is excellent). The OSU win got everyone excited. We saw a team last Saturday that was excellent. We saw a team that was capable of beating everyone. A win like that sets a team up for a national championshio no matter how young they are.
We had this discussion a couple of days ago with the miassion accomplished shirts, I'm not the type of fan who is turning my back, but I'm not pleased with this. No one should be. Our ceiling should ALWAYS be the national championship, nothing less. That should every team's goal, actually. I still am being optimistic for our ACC play this year. I'm just sick of year after year people saying, "Why were you expecting it, we are too young". I want us to be like other fan bases and expect it. We should never turn our back on the team, but we're capable of being better than just a run of the mill ACC team. We're young, yes, but we are better than his we played today. The team knows that as well, I'm sure they will come back a better team next week. Go Hokies!
I think it is unrealistic to set the ceiling or goal as a national championship every year. Technically, yes, any team could win a title in any given year. That's why they play the game. But if you consider that generally the title winner is an undefeated conference champion, well then about 80% of the teams are out of the running after week 1. We need to grow. We need to recover from dismal recruiting years. We just pulled in one of the best classes in the last decade, and some of those guys are on the field making a difference now. But that does not mean we should be expecting championships. This year is transitional. We'll see flashes of what might happen in 2015-2016. Anyone thinking about national titles is way too far ahead of themselves. It's a process, even Saban (as much as I hate to admit it) is totally spot-on. You need to recruit well for 3-4 years straight to develop identities in all aspects of the game. We haven't done that, but we're starting to. When you're consistently in the hunt for your conference title, then you can take the next step. There's a reason why 120+ teams don't win it.
I mean, I won't argue, I truly don't want to looked down upon by the community. As others have posted, this year feels different. It still does. We have a spark that I feel like we haven't seen in quite a few years. Feeling that spark and watching the team shut down a #8 OSU team in Columbus had a lot of people hopeful. I understand that there's a reason 120+ teams don't make it to NC game, but I also realize that a lot of teams don't see the type of win we saw last Saturday. I'm sorry if it raised my expectations for the team but it did. But getting an impressive win and then losing another we shouldn't have lost is a tale as old time. However, you're right- the team is young. Hopefully we will eventually get to see the Hokies playing in the big game and there won't be excuses anymore. I'm hopeful. The season isn't over and we're still capable of doing something great this season. Winning against OSU didn't define us and losing to ECU didn't define us, but I hate to see people being okay with it and I will refuse to be okay with a loss like this. Go Hokies!
Hope is a good thing to have and I think it is very reasonable to be hopeful about these guys. This year is a crapshoot. We're developing. I hate the loss, but from what I've seen, these guys are very talented and they're resilient. Both are characteristics that will take us far. We have a lot left to play for in the ACC and in the next couple of years.
And we're still going to kick the crap out of Tennessee in 2016 in front of the largest crowd ever :)
Agreed, while it hurts, there is most certainly a lot of season left. I'm hopeful this will all build something better than we have ever imagined at Tech. And prepare Tennessee for that ass-whooping they're bound to get in 2016 :)
110% agreed. My hopes are really high on this group, too. They still are. Ain't no one lookin' down on no one here. I'm also not ok with a loss like this. Although I've only been following VT since the 2000 season, I've always been hyped about us, and the OSU win got me really pumped.
On a side note, don't look now, but LOLUVA beat Louisville. Looks like their 4 years of recruiting is finally starting to pay off. We'll have a tough time with them this year. At least I think we play them this year, but all I see is Georgia Tech on the schedule, looks like we only have one game left. #MissionBegins
Our offense isn't there yet, and our defense should have been better, but the DBs really had an off-game today. 3rdand31 wrote an article about how our offense lacks explosive plays, and it's definitely true. As the article pointed out, you can't have a great offense without that. I don't expect us to win a National Championship until that is fixed, so we should all temper our expectations in the near future, and not let our hopes get too high.
IMO every year after a big win we should just skip that week and go to 2-1. yeah 2-1 is acceptable... said no one ever.
2-1 is acceptable if you're UVA and the other bottom dwellers but when you want other teams/conferences to go wow VT they'll get after ya... going 2-1 and losing like we did today is absolute garbage. We came out flat went 21-0, couldn't run worth a lick when we did run we then said fuck that lets pass the ball. There was 0 rhythm other than the 2 minute drills at the end of the half and end of the game.
PS our O-line sucks the big fat pirate
Their nose tackle made it really tough on our center. Even with double teams, they weren't getting the necessary push let alone the drive which causes their linebacker to hit the hole before our rbs could.
Yeah, because it took three quarters to get a running game. We were running out of time to run.
"Our fanbase is infested with too many older alumni who were around for truly bad football"
Really now?
Our bad.
remember the 2099-2011 seasons when VT was perennial top 15 material? What happened. Relevant for 1 week out of the last 3 seasons. Good Game!
Complacency begat recruiting failures, which eventually caught up with us. Needed changes were 4 years later in coming. Now we are playing catchup.
And, Everybody keeps talking about our O-line talent. When you are 6'5"- 6'8" tall and weigh 290-310 lbs it shouldn't be that hard to coach em' up to "push people around" to make room for a guy 5'11" 220 lbs..... or is it?
it is when we can't recruit any o-line.. we have people that came in playing d-line that now play o-line, good teams don't have that problem.
At this rate Decade of Dominance is Doomed. I don't want that...
Are you shitting me right now? Are you saying 'we won't beat UVA this year because we lost to ECU'?
They had damn well better not lose to LOLUVA.
We already got the Decade of Dominance. We can't retroactively lose that.
It all starts with our o-line - they didn't get it done . 3 & outs are a killer and Brewer was getting his teeth kicked in.
Need More Wild Turkey! Fire ocainstinesome...oh wait
Let's just make git pay for today. In fact, let's take our wrath out on every ACC opponent we have!
Brian nailed it.
Sheesh talk about a humbling statement. Well stated, Brian
I don't disagree with that, but I think that the coaching staff & players luxuriated in the OhState win all week just like the fans did, and this game was the result. It's not a heart breaker because it's not a conference game. That doesn't mean it wasn't disappointing.
Just as everyone SHOULD have done last week, on Monday it will be time to turn the page and prep for the next game. For the coaches & players, that day is tomorrow.
Someone gets it.
Meh. I think hokie fans handle losses pretty damn well. Certainly better than any other program at this level. Problem is it's not a skill set that improves with experience.
There is always something to complain about after a loss and Hokies are generally pretty well reasoned and justified in their laments.
No, our fan base is just as irrational as nearly all the others out there. I used to think differently, but just a little internet scanning proved that we're as kooky as the vast majority of them out there. The middle of August, we didn't even know who our QB would be, and how good he might be. We win our first ever game against a Top 10 team in their home stadium, and we're talking about the playoffs. We lost to ECU, and people think we've gone over the edge.
We ride the roller coaster just like the other fan bases.
This. Thank you. But we're still the greatest fanbase on the whole damn planet.
OKAY, who is ready to watch Oklahoma crush Tennessee in to pieces for therapeutic purposes? *raises hand* ME!!!
Second!
But on the same token, since I don't have a horse in that race, I just want everyone to lose all day long so this game gets drowned in the upsets.
Here it is folks....Virginia Tech lost and UVa won. Damn, I'm not drunk enough to accept that yet.
Remember when your parents used to say, "I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed"? The entire team and coaching staff share responsibility for this loss. You can't sit around after the OSU game and talk about how great that is for recruiting and for the program in general and then act like this loss doesn't matter. You have to admit, this one really stings.
For some reason, VT has not been able to get to the point where it can win both the big games AND the games it's expected to win. It's not like it's easy to do, but we're talking about a team that has an empty national championship trophy case in its facilities. That's the goal we should all have, because it would be tremendous for the school. And because for god's sake, it's a sport, and the point of sports is to win.
I don't understand how the offensive line can hold its own one week against legitimate NFL prospects, and the next week get dominated by a guy who is literally 100 pounds overweight. But one guy who consistently plays at a high level is Kendall, which is why he's going to play at the next level.
Lets just hope they can pull it together and take care of the ACC. Especially UVA.
Welp that's my rant for the day. I accept the down votes that I will inevitably get, but just know as you click the upside down triangle that you are a person who can't handle the truth.
At least the Wahoos got crushed by Loui...crap.
It just wasn't in the Cards...
I want to say that this is Logan Thomas' fault...I put the loss squarely on him...he will never be an NFL QB
I am drunk. And I want to punch you in the face for this stupid comment about a guy who is the only reason why we kept our winning record and bowl streak going.. And I am drunk enough to do it. Square in the face.
Yes I have that QB as my avatar with the caption: "Suck it Haters" because I believe he was the problem....Dont go all full metal jacket on me:
NSFW
Its ok. Because we are hokies. And maybe because I have had too many beers. But mostly because we are hokies, and we are hurting together. Let's hug it out.
fluffy fingers
Some people forgot this was intended to be a sarcastic thread
If we had Michael Vick, Lee Suggs, Antonio Freeman, Eddie Royal and Jeff King on O and Bruce Smith, Corey Moore, Vince Hall, Xavier Adibi, Brandon Flowers and Deangelo Hall on D we would have won. Maybe. Or something.
Still would've needed Graham to kick the winning field goal in overtime.
Anyone else struggling to separate sarcasm from legitimate meltdown here?
I just cant read anymore. I work in Clemson, where everytime this worthless piece of shit fanbase loses, I have to listen to these people make three excuses.
1. The better team didn't win.
Yes they did. Otherwise the score would be different. Clemson sucks.
2. We beat ourselves.
No you didn't. Give credit where credit is due. You got beat by a better team. Clemson sucks.
3. Dabo and Chad Morris need to be fired. No they don't. You got beat by a better team. Those kids played their hearts out for your school. Clemson sucks.
Get over yourselves. You arent the best. You havent arrived. Shut the fuck up.
Let me say right now. I love Frank Beamer. I love our staff. I love our team. I love our kids who bust their asses every week. I love Virginia Tech. And I love Virginia Tech football. It's the best part of my life every fall and I will never talk badly about our team, coaches, or staff, win or lose. Can't wait til next week when we have our next chance to shock the world. And fuck anyone who doesnt like it. Win or lose, my hokie flag flies. GO HOKIES!
I don't think anyone's talking bad about this team. They came back from 21-0 and had ECU on the ropes. I think the frustration is the same as most every-now-and-then golfers: "If I could only put all those shots together during the same game!"
One of these seasons, the Hokies are gonna do that. In the meantime, I'm gonna enjoy watching them give it their all and try!
Great analogy. In the mean time, gonna love every minute of it. And it will make that day that much sweeter.
Last post of the night...it could be worst, imagine how Southern Cal feels about now.
or anOSU.
#goacc
Yes, this. USCw just beat Stanford last week and followed it up with a loss to BC. Sounds a lot like us the last two weeks. Big win, then letdown game against someone you should absolutely beat. Did anyone watch this game? I did not, but I'm curious how BC won it.
They totally shut down the USC running game. USC only got 20 yards rushing, despite that being their strength. I didn't watch the game, but I saw that stat from later.
So, much like ECU took what was vaunted in our defense - Bud's willingness to leave his elite DBs 'on an island' - to score their 3 quick TDs, BC took what was the ultimate strength of the USC offense - their run game - and exploited it. Odd how that works out sometimes.
Gotta give a lot of credit to Addazio, he was the right man for the job up in Boston. I think he'll turn BC in a really good team, like Pat Fitzgerald was supposed to be doing at NW'ern
i am frustrated with the continued mistakes on special teams that are contributing to losses over the course of several seasons.
Yes, we have all seen this out of bounds kick before in big games.Also, we have 10 kickers on this team and none can consistently kick for a touchback .
i can't tell if that's sarcasm. in case it was, it's not just a kick out of bounds, it's a fake punt vs Michigan, 2 tds to bama, anything cody journell related, blocked punt against us with ECU last time, MD loss. ST played a big role in all those losses.
Truth. --- Not sarcasm.
Seriously this is all on Whit Babcock. BRING BACK WEAVER! Fire Beamer and hire the ECU offensive coordinator! This season is done, we should burn A Ford's redshirt and get him ready for next year!
Did I forget any?
You forgot: The receivers suck especially Isaiah Ford who we should've left at Louisville and Josh Stanford who we should've left in Canada.
In all seriousness, too many drops yesterday. Moorehead needs to bring back the JUGS machines this week.
Yep, or start Cam Phillips to get the message across. If Ford and StanFord don't show up early for JUGS work on thier own then they don't get and Phillips should start.
i think it's about time Frank think about retirement. Will Bud stay? It's Logan's fault. Fire Stiney. Damn Weaver for these nooners. It's because the fans leave at half time.
... Michael Brewer just had popcorn? Put Leal in. /s