Couldn't watch because of commitment to my GF. ESPN commenters (I know) even from fans of random teams were talking about how bad it got for ECU....to the point that ppl said they were changing the channel....was it hyperbole? Did we hang in the game w a lot of help from the refs?
Is Facyson really just rusty? because by week three, he just doesn't look like the same guy.
In three games mike brewer has 6 turnovers? Are we on pace for a 25+ to year for our qb? That's not good news....
In other news, I think we've seen the good bad and ugly that this team can produce, and I'm not sure if I should feel good about it. What do you think?
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I didn't think it was that bad. A few calls could've gone either way, but it didn't feel one-sided to me. Certainly there were some PI calls against us that I thought were ticky-tacky
The officiating was fair, I thought. I did see some calls/missed calls for BOTH sides. That just described virtually every game that is played. If one can remove their fanglasses long enough to consider, officiating is HARD. Split second calls on guys going out of bounds or making catches or where to spot the ball under a pile of players jostling around. That stuff is HARD. We can sit in our recliners in our man caves and yell at how stupid the refs are, but that's after we've seen replay cameras from five different angles. Those guys have to decide RIGHT THEN RIGHT THERE.
So, being at the game, it didn't seem like the officiating was lopsided. And I could admit if it were and we 'stole some calls'. I thought the officials were fine.
There was a CLEAR offsides on ECU that wasn't called, so it's not like we got every call by any means... there were others that didn't go our way, that one was just very obvious to me
There were a lot of calls against ECU, but I can't recall any truly abhorrent calls either way.
^ This. ECU had more penalty yardage, but we had penalties at key moments, and for stupid stuff like 12 men on the field - I think three times over the course of the game.
I wouldn't say it was good, but it was fair. I think we got away with a few no-calls. As did ECU.
It seemed like their receivers were pushing off of our DBs the entire game. Can someone who watched the game at home tell me if that was really the case? Or was it just my Hokie goggles, inebriation and vantage from the stands?
From the West Side it appeared that they were pushing off on almost every play.
There was only one play, where Kendall got called for a PI, where I thought it should have been called but was instead called on Fuller. If anything, it should have been a no call but oh well. A guy I watched the game with was upset about some missed calls against ECU for WR blocking on the screen passes before the ball was even released. I don't know specifics of the rules, but those were the only real ones I saw.
AFAIK if the ball stays behind the line of scrimmage before being touched, that's perfectly legal, but if it passes the LOS then it becomes offensive PI.
Is it the ball that has to stay behind the line of scrimmage or if the contact is behind the LOS? I mean, it seems very subjective, but I had heard that if a WR blocks a DB on a screen before the ball is caught, that's offensive pass interference. Again, I don't know enough of the specifics, but I know the guy I watched the game with who nearly played college ball until he got injured was upset it kept happening.
http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/FR14.pdf
On PDF Page 80, it says:
On Page 81 it says:
Now, there can still be holding calls made on players both behind and in front of the LOS. A defensive player may not initiate contact to impede the progress of any eligible player in any way unless that eligible player was the recipient of a fake handoff or pitch, and obviously holding is still holding, but pretty much a screen pass is a free-for-all.
(I did the research more because I didn't know and less just to prove you wrong, I just figured since I found confirmation of something that I'd just heard in passing occasionally that I'd pass it along.)
Hey, I'm not saying you're trying to prove me wrong. I'm looking for the answer, that's all. Just something my buddy noticed and was harping on since I guess it tends to get called frequently in the NFL according to him.
I finished writing it up and it looked a bit overzealous of a response, that's all.
Also, as a random addition, I found a document from a Massachusetts high school league stating that it isn't Offensive PI if the ball was obviously intended for a receiver behind the LOS, even if it's a bad pass that crosses the LOS. Didn't see anything in the NCAA rulebook though, so who knows.
When I was watching the game it seemed like the calls where all going against us. This was partly because we were getting whipped but also because we had some calls go against us at critical times - extending drives for ECU and killing our drives. I was surprised to read the box score and see that they had more penalties and more penalty yardage.
Some of the PI were tough because they really helped them establish the lead but also because they had big, physical WR that were getting in more than their fair share of hand play and yet all the calls went against VT.
I did see a few pick plays that went totally unnoticed and think that despite the box score they got away with a few things we didn't - for example, they were bringing early contact on our WR all game long but only got flagged a couple of times.
End of the day - we got out coached, out played and out hustled.
Brewer played a terrible first half but played good in the second which could have been great if the receivers wouldn't of dropped some easy balls (mainly Stanford.) Facyson doesn't look 100% to me yet, and I wouldn't mind if they sit him against GT and Western Michigan to get him ready for the rest of ACC play.
Personally I thought these officials really struggled with pass interference. Called a bad one on Fuller, another one late on ECU (defending Ford I think).
there was actually two third down plays for ECU in which we stopped them, however from my angle in the NEZ it looked like pass interference on us. No call was made. I thought the refs were pretty bad, but they were consistently bad, which is all you can really ask for, consistency.
There were a few noticeably bad calls from what I can remember.
-On I think it was our first defensive stop, we had someone jump into the neutral zone on the 4th down punt and they called fall start
-Our cornerbacks play very physically. Quite frankly, I'm not sure what's allowed in college football because we bump their receivers well past the 5 yard area and it appears ok. With that said, there was one PI on Fuller where the other guy was grabbing him just as much and yet he got called. Again, though, there were probably other plays where it could have been thrown on us and it wasn't.
-On that fourth down late in the game, ECU was offsides and then the refs called a very soft holding penalty on us, which forced us to punt.
-I saw that big dude Williams get tackled by our OL multiple times without it getting called.
Well, in fairness, that was the only way to stop Williams.
That PI you mention, I think I remember it. It was on the near sideline. The pass landed out of bounds. I wasn't realy happy about that one. But, eh. There have been worse calls
Yeah, the ball needs to be catchable to make a PI call.
I might be a little nitpicky about it. It landed like a foot out of bounds. So I think technically it would have been possible, hence my hesitation to really have any level of beef with the call.
Ok, I had problems seeing just how far it was out from my spot, there were players in the way.
It was considered catchable. The PI was because he forced the receiver out of bounds. That's automatic. What I didn't like was the receiver had his hands on Fuller's mask for several seconds before the PI.
I'm guessing since he was warning yellow gloves it was hard to see /sarcastica.
Ugh, those yellow gloves made me think a flag had gotten thrown multiple times.
And the guy with those yellow shoes too.
ECU suffered far more penalties 13-114yds vs 8-64yds. It wasn't the penalties that got us that game. It was being out-played. Sometimes, that will happen and you just move on and hope your team does as well.
Seriously? Another thread about officiating? Is this a Miami site?
To be fair, it began as a question about whether or not the officiating was tilted against ECU. Then - gasp! - it quickly turned into the usual 'they're all out to get us' stuff. As I said above, the officiating was fine. It wasn't perfect, but it wasn't horrible. I saw calls that could have gone for both teams, and calls that were missed on both teams. Not that many of either. It's just something else to vent about after a loss that really had no impact on the game, so no big deal.
Thanks for clarifying swvadon. You'd think ppl would read the post before complaining abt the content.
My point being that this has been the second week where people have complained about the refs and the outcome. Good teams win to the point where the refs calls do not matter. Complaining about the refs is basically complaining about a bad team.
Hmmm......I haven't seen anyone on here saying that the refs caused the outcome though and that's not the intent of the thread. So likening me and others to "Miami" fans for having a discussion (please don't do that anymore) seems off base.
I got my answer however( though no one has broached the 6 brewer turnovers thru 3 games). it sounds like the officiating seemed to be generally poor. And actually it sounds to me like ECU got the short end of the stick and still found a way to win.
Let's hope the guys can fund something this week in practice. The next game feels pivotal.
My only gripe with the officiating was the fact that there was no excessive celebration penalty called on ECU following Carden's last touchdown. They were provoking the student section, and honestly it was a lot more ridiculous than what Bucky got called for last week.
It would've most likely given VT a much shorter field to work with in those final 16 seconds.
I just wish they'd define exactly what "excessive celebration" is rather than just leaving it a gray area that can be called whenever the officials so choose.
Yeah the no-call for the bicep flex was my only major officiating beef from the game. It still has me steaming. What a DOUCHE.
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No...ECU beat us...I hate ECU but they beat us STRAIGHT UP...PAY ECU they money! I might be a bit drunk to end a weekend.
As a Hokie fan I've just come to accept the fact that we're almost always going to get boned at least once in big games at in opportune moments. It is the way of being a Hokie.
I think the officiating definitely did swing against ECU later in the game, but that's really just 'cause ECU started doing more stuff that VT was being called for too. There were a couple times I wish I had brought my own flag to throw (left it at home, alas) and there were several others where I wanted to throw the officials' flags right back at 'em. Overall, I think they were a little to flag-happy for my taste, but it seemed like a pretty fair and even flag-happiness.
There also was a roughing the passer call that I really wished was called against ECU after a little helmet to helmet action.