
When the Hokies drop two winnable games at home, it's easy for the fanbase to start hyperventilating a bit.
Beyond worrying about the obvious implications the East Carolina and Georgia Tech losses have on this season, it's similarly tempting to start fretting about what poor showings could mean to high school recruits.
After all, it can't look good when the Hokies lose in Lane Stadium two straight weeks, especially with big recruits in the house to impress.
Yet a quick survey of a variety of recruits, of all ages, positions and states, shows that the recent losing streak isn't weighing as heavily on their minds as fans might fear.
"Coach Beamer is the winningest coach in college football right now, I know he's going to win some games," said Devante Brooks, a 2016 TE/DE from Washington D.C. "Very few teams go undefeated."
Brooks, a 4-star recruit according to the 247Sports Composite ranking, was in Lane for the loss to the Yellow Jackets, but says it's important to put the game in perspective compared to the whole atmosphere of the campus.
"Every team loses, I try not to let it weigh in on how I feel," Brooks said.
Bryce Love, a 4-star running back from the class of 2015, was also on campus for the GT loss and he echoed that sentiment.
"I'm just focused on the program, and it was a good trip regardless," Love said. "And they did have somewhat a good showing on both offense and defense."
Few players exemplify this attitude of not taking losses too seriously more than 3-star OT Mike Arnold. He committed last weekend, even after watching the Hokies fall in embarrassing fashion to the Jackets.
"Everybody wins and everybody loses," Arnold said. "That's just football."
But Tech's newest commit does admit a loss does have some effect on a visit to a school.
"It definitely affects the players themselves a lot more than anything," said 2015 DE/DT Dee Fullwood. "They're a lot happier at dinner and everything after with a win."
Yet, like Arnold, Fullwood liked what he saw of the Hokies enough to commit days afterward, even de-committing from Kentucky to do so.
"Even if a team does lose, I try to look at how the defense played," Fullwood said. "Other schools lose, I try not to make it a factor."
But it's probably easier to forgive a loss when a recruit is actually on campus, immersed in the atmosphere of Lane and the town of Blacksburg.
Surely, when recruits hear about Tech dropping a pair of games from afar, that has to hurt their perception of the Hokies.
"It doesn't really bother me, I try to give schools a chance based on their upside," said Jalen Elliott, a 2016 athlete that hasn't visited Tech since the season opener. "If I go somewhere, I'd like to think I can make them better with my abilities."
Considering that many of these recruits have to project how the roster and staff will look two or three years down the road when making their decision, it makes more sense to take a longer view of these losses.
"Tech is still a really young program, there's so much youth on the team," said Augie DeBiase, a 2016 quarterback from Jacksonville, Florida. "They had opportunities to watch both games, so I don't look at them any differently after this."
Like Elliott, DeBiase watched the last weeks unfold from elsewhere. But DeBiase is unique in that he was able to see this upside even as he stopped by Alabama's campus for the Tide's game against Florida this weekend.
"More than anything, it's just really cool watching Isaiah Ford, a guy from my town, play so well so fast," DeBiase said. "It's really cool to see him playing right away."
But if this pair of disheartening losses truly doesn't matter to recruits, then what value could a big win really have? As it turns out, victories get thought of very differently.
Take, for example, the Hokies' win over a certain Big Ten team.
"The Ohio State win absolutely does stick out," DeBiase said. "It was cool to see Loeffler's offense succeeding and Michael Brewer doing so well. He's a guy that's similar in size to me, so I feel like I can model myself after him."
While losses against lesser teams can be easily written off, it would seem that the draw of a marquee win over a top-10 team is harder to ignore.
"It just shows what upside Tech has," Elliott said. "You think 'wow, I could be playing in a game like that in a few years.' I've heard recruits saying the ACC is stepping up, and they showed it against a big team, so that helps."
Even if the losses could be a little disappointing, it would seem the team's high point of the season is what really sticks out.
"The losses might affect you a little bit, but once you see what a team's capable of that's what matters," said 2016 RB C.J. Freeman. "That win really surprised me, it shocked the nation. It showed me they could be the David in that David and Goliath situation."
It would seem that, in recruits' minds, it all comes back to upside. It matters less what the Hokies actually accomplish than what they could do in just a few seasons.
"That win let you know that they have a chance to be a great team," Arnold said. "They should be able to do that every game."

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This goes straight to the top of my list of favorite Koma KolumnsTM. Great question to ask recruits, and a nice dose of optimism. I think we as fans put to much into the result of recruiting weekend games. Like you said, they all believe they can be great and help a team win. They want to play, and they want great fans
Great piece, Alex.
As much as it hurts to see the Hokies lose, it's nice to see that the recruits take an overall look at the program instead of knee-jerk reactions following the last two games. Keeps things in perspective. Great work, Alex.
Awesome perspective, thanks Alex.
Good to see that the recruits are realistic and level headed.
You can't help but imagine what they would be saying if we had won those two games though!
Great article. I like hearing the recruits talking about how every team can lose, and sometimes when you least expect it, but it's when you win and you're not expected to that sticks out.
Maybe that's how UVA gets recruits!
It sure as hell isn't because of a string of wins!
I will never get tired of seeing guys de-commit from an SEC school and choosing VT.... looks like we have potential to put ourselves in position for a couple of others.
lol.
but we'll take it.
Hopefully, LSU and the Mad Hatter is the next target for a decommit.
Good to see there's more focus on the Ohio State win than the two previous losses.
Sometimes I have to remind myself that I didn't expect the Hokies to run the table, even after the Ohio State win, and I fully expected (and even said on multiple occasions) that we would have a couple WTF losses before the end of the season. I just wasn't expecting them to be immediately following that win. We have a young team, they're going to make mistakes, and as soon as they're corrected, we're going to be a very good team. Lost in all the hand wringing about those bad INTs that Brewer is throwing and the ineffectiveness of our running game, we have an offense that's currently moving the ball around 300 yards per game through the air and is able to march it right down the field at relative ease when everyone is on the same page. And we're doing this with a bunch of guys who have only been practicing a couple months.
This season is going to have its peaks and valleys, but man... the future of this program could not be brighter right now, and its really promising to see recruits realizing this as well. With the offensive talent we brought in last year and are using right now, and with the young talent we have on defense right now, we're one elite defensive recruiting class away from potentially having the best all around VT roster ever assembled. The best part is, its starting to look like we might actually get it.
What those ^^^ guys said.
Alex is knocking it out of the park this morning. Bravo!
Wow,what an uplifting article for Hokie fans!
alex doing yeoman's work this week!
So losing a trap game with recruits in attendance really can be excused if the program has a strong foundation. That's awesome. I knew it. Good thing that doesn't apply to anOSU. Sweat is totally a Hokie!
jk, thanks for the article Alex. You guys are killing it this year. Can't believe how lucky we are in TKP land.
I think what is helping is that our coaches are straight up. We play the best in each position and know what we want to do but lack of depth is hurting us. You can SEE the potential and the headaches of being young.
We're like the sad fat kids nervously asking out a prom date and she's all like, "Hey, what you worried about? So what, you clearly love pie. But I like you for who you are."
*cake. You clearly love cake.
#teamcake
FTFY.
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This is why I love to see VT play in big games. It has always been tough for us to get "the big boys" to schedule us because this door that is now opening, is exactly what they feared.
"Anyone, anywhere, anytime" is exactly how FSU got where they are, and it is the model I have been harping on for years. It brings with it a mindset in the fans, the players, the coaches, and the recruits. It is a self fulfilling prophecy.
Go, freakin' Hokies, go. Love it.
Showing improvement year in year out is big for some recruits. I would also say coaching stability and overall staff is huge. Look all we heard about before anOSU game was ohh VT's record vs top teams is garbage lalalalllalala then we gave them the big L and walked out of the Shoe with a FULLY DIPPED DORK MAGIC W. That says a lot, yeah we came out flat against ECU but look at them kill UNC. It might not mean much to the polls but recruits see that and go woah ECU was a good team and VT played pretty mediocre I could have turned that L into a W.
Also the amount of Freshmen we are playing..and them having good success is another big factor, yes it doesn't mean everything but it shows the best player that gives VT the best chance to win will play. There is a reason UVA gets a couple 5 * recruits every so often ... It's the big shot/hot head on a team full of 2* and 3* players. VT doesn't take/recruit those type of players
Hey TKP editors, I was wondering if you guys could start up a new 2015 recruiting thread and maybe give a list of the remaining recruits we are after. And maybe group them in a way that shows which ones you feel strongly we will get, ones that are 50-50 and ones we probably wont get. This past week is crazy and would like to get your thoughts on guys like :
Greater that 75% chance:
1. Josh Sweat
2. Darrell Taylor
3. Adonis Williamson
4. Sterling Hammond
5. Kenny Thomas
6. Houshon Gaines
7. Fred Johnson (the tackle from FL we just offered)
Top 2 (50-50)
1. Jalen Dalton
2. Vic Alexander (i just see Vince Hall all over this guy)
3. Bryce Love
4. Kevin Tolliver
Less than 50%, but your saying theres a chance:
1. Lawrence Cager (any chance here?)
2. Jordan Whitehead
3. Ricky DeBerry (love seeing we got a prediction for him the other day)
4. Tim Settle
Wildcards - 3* guys i see listed with us but havent heard much (any info here would be awesome)
1. Robert Branch
2. Dom Foy (TE from LA)
3. Shelton Johnson (any chance, hes from del ray)
4. Barnabas Banning
5. Channing Hames
6. Isaac James
7. Kenan Johnson (is he just waiting on an offer)
8. Christian Martey (he is VA kid, are his grades off, or just not enough room?)
9. TJ Griffin (any chance he changes course like Jacque Allen?)
10. Demitri Holloway - is he someone that we would keep our eye on for greyshirt, or if we miss on some bigger name guys? (hes from heritage down in newport news)
Slim to none?? - Burrel, Tuttle, Isiaih Prince, Jordan Fox, Tavin Richardson
Anyways, thanks alot, I tried to add most of the guys I had heard about and kinda group them like I was thinking, but would love one of you guys to clean this list up and give any info you have.
Thanks!
maybe add positions to players that could help us decide %'s of committing
Also helpful:
A list of active petebuddywilson dropboxes that big-time "donors" such as myself can leave swag in.
I recently acquired 3 fair-condition hubcaps from a '77 Ford Thunderbird, and I have several college textbooks from the early Guns & Roses era that have the important sentences highlighted.
Nice swag. I've got a broken tape player that plays but doesn't rewind, but I'll throw in the #2 pencil to offset that.
Anybody who doesn't get that joke better stay off my lawn.
You're not going to like the answer, but predicting where recruits go isn't really our thing. Alex can chime in on this if he wants, but when I interview these kids on the phone or talk to their parents I always ask if any school is sticking out of their initial group, top five, ..., what have you and it's always been the same answer, everyone is even. And really that's the smartest thing they can say. It's a two-way game, and they're trying to earn as many scholarship offers as possible without burning bridges.
When Alex spoke to Dee the night before he decommitted, Alex's gut feeling from the conversation was he'd end up at Tech, but it was just that, a gut decision, and that's not something we're going to report because that's bad journalism.
Take for example Tim Settle, the near consensus back in January was he'd head out of state, now that opinion has swung back into Tech's favor and his recruitment has had a variety of favorites and top groups and it's not something we'd even have the time to stay on top of.
Folks who are "insiders" either at Rivals of 247Sports are getting info from families, teammates, high school, college coaches, etc... Their predictions are something between a very educated guess or verified info from a coach that knows a decision in advance because a recruit has told them either way before a set announcement. We do get tipped like that sometimes, but will hold off for the kid to make his announcement. Mark was told Harry Lewis had picked Tech, but we waited for Harry to announce. The same thing happened with Wyatt Teller a couple of years ago. It's also invasive to the family and the kid to hit them up every time there's a change with their recruitment.
It's hard to remember, but these are kids making a huge decision for their future and are going to go back and forth. One time VT commit Michael Barnett, who verballed to Florida State, just flipped to Georgia.
Bud Elliott of Tomahawk Nation is as plugged in with FSU and recruiting as one can be and his headline was "4-star recruit flips from FSU to UGA in major surprise".
I think the way we do our interviews with the players, coaches and families works and is the right way. We're not going to string anyone on or inject any guesswork into the equation, we'll present quotes from the players, families and coaches and let everyone draw conclusions.
TL:DR โ Predictions are not something we'll do.
Good Answer!
It's not TKP, but some thoughts on a few of these guys:
Sweat -- Yes, we're in good shape but FSU and UGA are both strong here. Its just tough to pull a #1 in our defense. 75% is way too high but we are in good shape.
DTaylor -- The info today is UT and that came from 247 on the day of his announcement, so one of our coaches probably got the call and called one of their gurus. Info on the day of the announcement is worth more than every other guess ever.
Gaines -- We've been in good shape for a while, but with Fullwood committing, Sweat trending and DTaylor and Dalton maybe announcing soon, Gaines could go somewhere else just because of a DE logjam.
Dalton -- We've pulled even with UNC but he just announced he will take visits. That doesn't help.
Alexander -- We haven't heard anything about this guy. He's visiting LSU later.
Love -- Nowhere near 50/50. We were a darkhorse leading into last week, now we're legitimate but he's probably got 2 or 3 other schools up there at our level or higher.
Tolliver -- the news with him has been great this week but he still have Auburn and LSU visits to go. Don't hold your breath. He's top 10 in the country.
DeBerry -- We're in solid shape. I think it will come down to VT and uva. I don't like that we think he's a DE. If I'm him, I want to play MLB.
Settle -- We're in good shape here, but he changes his mind a lot. And he's reportedly going to need a year of prep.
No idea what Matt Burrell is thinking. I'm assuming its not here, but I could see him jumping on late if everything else falls our way.
There seems to be a lot of chatter about Taylor, but nobody is willing to stick their neck out publicly about it. I'm still thinking he's ours until the tide starts to turn on 247. Right now, all their experts are still predicting VT, and if someone did know for a fact he is going Tenn, the prediction would have been made to help their credibility going forward.
I think Fullwood will grow into a DT at Tech.
When I spoke with DeBerry in March he told me Tech was recruiting him as a DE. He was 6-3, 240 then. Position didn't seem to matter as long as he could rush the passer.
http://www.thekeyplay.com/content/2014/march/3/talking-recruitment-ricky...
And just like that, my outlook on this season is that much sunnier. Keep the articles coming Koma!
The Ohio State win may have been the biggest win in school history. I sat next to a Buckeye in Columbus and I believe he said the last non-conference team to beat the Bucks at the Shoe were John Elway's Stanford team in '82. Yeah, I'd say that's reason enough for recruits to get excited about the possibility of playing in Blacksburg, despite these last two losses. Great read, great team, great win!
Texas beat them with Vince Young in 2005, I believe. And USC beat them in 2009, or whenever Matt Barkley's freshman year was. There may be others but I remember those 2.
Right, I believe the statistic was that we were the first *unranked* nonconference team to win in the 'Shoe in however long.
I'm picking nits, but FSU was unranked in '82 too.
Right. I think a lot of people got their trivia mixed up. Everyone remembers Elway, then they remember something about nonconference in 1982, then all I heard was ESPN mention the trivia during the broadcast. It's like one big game of telephone :)
To be clear, I got this from Eleven Warriors:
Nope. FSU right after that Stanford loss in '82, USC in '90, Texas in '05, USC in '09. Your gametime buddy there had a really bad memory.
Bad memory or just in denial.
And say what you will about OSU fans in denial, they're just depressed. But our 4-0 record this year doesn't surprise me at all
sobs
I know they had a really long streak against unranked non-conference teams, maybe that was what the dude was talking about? I'm too lazy to check, but wouldn't surprise me if FSU/USCx2/Texas were all ranked at the time of the losses.
Already checked. FSU was unranked at that point in the season.
Thanks for checking guys. Stats > some guy's opinion. But yeah, I think I'd agree OSU fans are in somewhat denial. Seems like all they ever do is complain about the SEC, yet when is the last time they scheduled an SEC opponent in any of their non-conference games? Someone should look that one up, because I can't think of one off the top of my head. Gotta play em before you talk about em
This was one of the most unique and informative pieces I have ever read, on this site or anywhere. Thank you.
The perspective that these young men bring to the game and recent losses reminds me of an "All I Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten" poster. It's refreshing and something that definitely gets lost on us fans at times, and I commend them for their maturity and big-picture view.
do you have a copy of that poster? I would love to see how much of that is still true..
no but here's a link (it's pretty detailed didn't want to embed a huge pic)
http://api.ning.com/files/W1Ko*8R-tscO1sz3J1NcvXjwEd4dVdVTv2e*Z9h0OaYvs6...
ahh this is awesome legs my man!
Took a few days break from Hokie news after reading about Maddy and the possible medical redshirt on Faycson. Needless to say this was a welcomed article to read! That means these players see what we see and that while we have been inconsistent at best the last two weeks, we are young and capable of doing good things. Nice work!!!