Sure the O-line wasn't the best but Brewer looks like a high school quarterback. I know Motley fumbled but he moves the O down the field. This has gotta be the worst loss I've seen as a VT fan.
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I agree. If we lose to Brewer I might actually drink myself to death. I'm going back to Blacksburg with 2 friends who are UVA fans. If we lose, they will mock me forever. I can't handle that.
I feel you buddy. I'm from Charlottesville and go to Tech so I will never live it down. It will be rough coming back home for Christmas Break if we lose
I definitely agree. Start the quarterback that moves the ball forward, not backwards.
COULD NOT AGREE MORE
Brewer does not give us the edge we need especially with a line that is suspect at best. Motley can at least freeze the defense with his ability to run the ball. I don't know if anyone else noticed but I felt that the offense had a much higher level of energy when he was on the field for those few plays.
Second week in a row he has moved the chains when he is in the game. Not sure why we then go back to Brewer.
I know that we cannot assume that he would produce at the level he has produced for 4 quarters, because there is bound to be some regression. But damn, have we not seen what Brewer is all about at this point?
Brewer is terrible. We have never been good to pocket passers. Motley gives us a spark and for some reason we don't use him.
If Beamer didn't start Motley/Leal weeks ago, he's not going to now. And if he does, I don't know what the fuck his thought process is because it has been obvious this team was going absolutely nowhere with Brewer since at least the Pitt game, and probably earlier than that.
In fact, Beamer starting Motley on Friday would be a slap in the face to me because his clueless and stubborn devotion to Brewer has completely wasted this season. There is no excuse for it to have taken this long and it didn't even happen when Motley got the ball moving in a 0-0 game in the 4th quarter against one of the worst teams in football.
and now Leal's decision to leave the program for a "job opportunity" seems to make perfect sense. Can you blame him?
Speaking of Frank's clueless and stubborn devotion to Brewer, how is Motley's back injury doing and how is his level of conditioning?
and all the reporters have indicated Motley has missed a ton of film and practice time because of his class schedule, so it is completely possible that he doesn't have a detailed grasp of the offense as it relates to each week's opponent. But, as I noted in my brain dump, it sure looked like he gave them the best chance to win, if for no other reason that his threat would have slowed down Wake's back side pursuit on Coleman.
That still blows my mind. I'm all for college athletes getting a college education, but you don't allow one of your QB's to miss practice all year, even if he's #3. There's spring semester, summer sessions, etc. What's up with our academic advisors..
They're not unc academic advisors, we can be certain of that.
I found that extremely odd as well. It sounded eerily familiar to some of the other rationalizations that we've grown accustomed to over the past several years from the program. As you mentioned, this isn't a class that he had for three semesters in a row. It's also interesting that nothing was done about Motley making up lost practice time until it became obvious they wanted to actually use him in a game. Had Leal not left the program, Motley would have gone on being completely unprepared as a reserve. Now the staff is having to scramble, all because of their own lack of attention to detail the entire season. It's very telling about the lack of oversight from the top down.
This is not unusual for 3rd QB. You have first team and scout so that's QB 1-2. Nothing left for #3.
Google 3rd string QB and this is the type of thing you get.
In this case, our 3rd QB also attends meetings which conflicted with his class schedule. Normally not that big a problem. Get this class knocked out while recovering from the injury and get it out of the way so it doesn't conflict with playing time later.
Exercise in futility , doing the same thing over & over. This is the worst offense in college football & some of the worst coaches.
Saw this on reddit. Thought it was funny.
EDIT: And by funny, I mean sad...
I don't think there is a picture that better captures our program right now to be honest.
Beamer's dream game.
Beamer, why you do this?
Because not losing is a win for him. Not scoring doesn't matter, just as long as you don't lose. Remember, this is the guy whose staff was told that the offense needed to be more concerned with burning time off the clock to rest the defense than with trying to score. That info came from his coaching staff.
But, hey, Frank should be able to coach as long as he wants and nobody should question him - he IS VT football. Isn't that what we've been lectured repeatedly?
sardonic much?
No, I just memorized the mantra, like a TrueHokie should!
Leg up for the use of sardonic...
Geez, man... I'm too drunk after that loss for SAT words
You got a source and context for that?
It surprises me.
Can't think of a single time Frank would tell the offense to not score except end of game type of stuff.
Mike O'Cain said it publicly.
Got a link?
I'd like to examine what he said after he got fired to test the voracity and context.
O'Cain said this prior to being let go.
Got a link?
I'd like to examine what he said.
and do you think O'Cain didn't need a little prompting from the boss?
This might be what he's alluding to:
From an old Andy Bitter article (link appears to be dead, but you can find discussion here: TechSideLine)
Good.
In what context does he mean that?
I know I might be carrying "every time" too far but didn't Alabama lose a game lat year trying to do that? Cost them a conference championship IIRC.
If I remember, he was asked why we run the offense we do and that was the reply. We didn't play to score, we played to hold field position and not turn the ball over.
He looks like a happy grandpa at his grandchild's graduation!!
Digging the umlaut.
Lol I was thinking the the same thing. Is there a thekeyplay.de
Brewer is a tough sob if nothing else, he is tiny and gets killed every week yet keeps getting back up
yeah and he might be the nicest person on the team...but you don't start someone because they're nice or tough...you start someone because they give you the best chance to win.. Right now, it looks like Motley gives us the best chance to win. I'm not in the film room or at practices and I don't see Motley's practice reps vs Brewer's, but I know from what I saw that we looked better offensively when Motley was in the game.
Ultimately, that's what counts. Motley might have fumbled but he had more rushing yards and fewer turnovers than Brewer. Motley got us into striking distance and then Brewer took us out of it. That's not how you win football games.
Edit: Never mind. Kinda drunk and shouldn't share that
What?
Wholeheartedly agree. Also, I've always said VT recently has always needed a mobile quarterback as well, in order to provide another threat since the O-Line has not always been the strength of our teams. It frustrated me like no other to see Motley not stay in to finish out the drive that he was building. Like many others have said, I don't know what kind of reps he is getting in practice, whether its only specific packages, but I hope that he gets more of an opportunity to show what he can do.
There is the old saying "If you got two QBs, you don't have a good QB". Maybe don't have a good QB, so we need to use two?
Oh, that should be clear. This isn't a debate between which QB will be the most effective.
He gets killed in part because he's the one person watching the game who has no idea a blitz is coming.
To be fair, Brewer has done a good job in general of avoiding sacks this season. Yes, he's gotten sacked, but look at how often the line has allowed heavy pressure, then Brewer slips & dodges away. I'm talking the season as a whole. No, he isn't a running threat, but he is capable of working outside the pocket and avoiding a lot of sacks. He has shown pocket awareness this season. Yes, this is a horrible loss, but let's not ignore the rest of the season.
I don't disagree, but how many sacks the last two weeks were because Brewer had no idea that a blitz was coming and that he had to throw the ball quickly? His QB Awareness rating is negative.
I have supported Frank Beamer 100% up until now, and hoped he would keep coaching.
I'm done.
Brewer is worse than S Glennon...I'm all for Motley next week.
Frankie needs to step aside and take a job in the AD Office, promote Bud to HC (He deserves his chance and it will keep the current recruits committed). TG promoted to DC. Replace the enter Offensive staff expect maybe for Searles. Shane Beamer needs to find a D3 job.
I am so sad right now.
I'm not sure Glennon deserves to be the punchline that he is on this board. The man won. It wasn't his decision to start, that came after Marcus Vick was FINALLY kicked off the team. His worse season's were still 10 game winners and some of those wins came because he was able to put up massive passing yards. He just happens to not be Mike Vick, Randall, or Tyrod. There is no shame in that.
Back to Brewer: He can go back to wrangling snakes in Texas; I think I've had my fill. Thanks for OSU though.
I think Brewer is going to be the end of all Glennon jokes, as it has done in the past.
Previously, there were Al Clark jokes. Then Grant Noel came around, and then the jokes were about Noel. Then Randall happened, and people mocked him for his first couple years, and then he went beastmode in his senior year and the jokes went back to Noel. Then Marcus went all Marcus, and he got piled upon. Then Glennon happened, and because of the prestige of the program at the time he took a lot of heat. But nothing is going to compare to the heat Brewer will take from here on out. Its not inconceivable that down the line, people will end up blaming him for ending Beamer's tenure.
Which is entirely unfair and ridiculous.
Very true, but no more unfair than the way Glennon has been treated for nearly a decade now. Both are wrong, but they're the easy way for people to point blame without actually thinking.
Agreed completely.
Anyone who thinks Brewer ended Beamers tenure is an idiot. I would not even entertain any line of discussion that hinted as much. He just happens to be on-board the same sinking ship; he is not the captain of it.
His time playing for VT will overlap with some of the worst years (assuming nothing changes next year). But Logan's time here did too; and we all praised him for taking the ball each week and laying his body on the line.
Brewer cannot even carry Logan's massive jockstrap; but I'm sure the kid is trying his best.
You must be new
I agree. I started at tech in 01, so I want around pre-Michael Vick, but it's surely the worst I've seen.
I can assure you I'm not new. Dude we scored 3 points against WAKE! They fucking blow.....3 points. This is worse then the Jmu game because were not going to win the next 11 games to make me forget about it.
hey..you never know...we could win the next 11 games...
Just remember, all these high quality recruits we've got coming in are going to help us make a strong run at the playoffs in the next couple of seasons. Or so some have been telling us the last few weeks.
Oh god time for another drink
I know for a fact that SOMEONE is going to win the Spring Game.
can I put money on VA Tech to win it?
I would put money on a scoreless game.
I know someone who will be excited about that:
Ohio HOKIE , have to laugh at that reply. + 1
My first game we won 3-0 against Villanova. Frank Beamer was playing.
Yea I can think of a game in 2010 that was worse. But this is a horrendous loss as well.
The JMU loss was worse, but this was way more painful to watch.
Can you name one worse in the Beamer era or in 30 years?
We are Wake's first ACC win this year. (let that sink in)
Also, the first conference win for a rookie head coach. JMU, Temple- not close. JMU in-state respectable 1-AA program on a wet, miserable day, after a draining loss 4 day earlier. Temple in conference, once at-least-respectable program. Comparable yes but we can lose games but to not score an offensive point or not be able to reach field goal range...... Against Wake.. that is worse! Wake up, he's right you know!
James Madison is a 1-AA school. That fact alone makes that loss worse than WF. Don't be a prisoner of the moment.
Well first let me say the temple loss was bad. and threw them in because thats one of the few games I didnt watch in the last 15 to 20 years. Touche
but with regard to JMU I am tired of this 1-AA nonsense. Yes we should when but honestly there is not as big of a gap as many like to believe. (with such a familiarity at least) I know guys that went JMU Richmond, W&M that were better players IMO in school and growing up than alot of players at VT and UVA. There is a level of politics in recuiting( and any business like College FB) and when you are an already good athlete, familiar with guys you camped with/went to school or grew up with, have a chip on your shoulder, the team your about to play is tired had about 2 less days of prep and weather being a wildcard- things happen that can change the deck of cards to your favor.
NOW. With a wave of confidence (top 25 win on the road) , A full week (not to mention the 2010 was much worse) of prep, and no "overlooking of the wounded dog", this was definately a mcuh worse loss in my opininion. this is not a moment thing for me. I am more on the reality side of things. I believe we are much better than our record. I even believe we will surprise people but I also see we have a glaring weakness that is our "offensive" play caller. There is no way we should have lost today and I feel it was coaching that lost it. So when being paid large sums of money for that- yes its fair for that gentleman to say its the worst game he's seen without being talked down to for it. This is not a panic for me but I am going to call it as i see it. This is among the worst losses in our programs history and if you don't see it then we will have to agree to disagree. I can't help ya.
Correct - a conference loss can never be worse than a loss to an opponent from a lower division. People can react more, out of frustration, but losing to someone in your own conference is not as bad as losing to a lower division foe. Even if the lower division foe is a title contender in their division, there is no comparison.
Templenwas much, much worse. They were a laughing stock program and we're talking about ending the football program. We gave them a signature (and literally program saving) win. We were 33 point favorites, at home, on homecoming.
Lesson is, this is not new territory for us. just starting to happen more frequently.
The LSU loss of '07 was worse.
JMU was worse and that's not even an argument.
Michigan challenges this one (or did we win that one?)
Boise St. hurt 100x more than this one
Hell, getting smashed by Miami on Thursday night in front of a national audience just this season was just as bad.
Temple was worse as well.
Yeah I'd agree. This might have been the hardest loss to accept, but this wasn't even the worst loss of the year IMO. That Pitt game was still one of the most depressing games I've ever watched us play
What Pitt game? I thought we didn't play them this year...
The toughest part about this season is I got season tickets this year and we didn't play a single ACC opponent at home yet.
LSU eventual National Champs
JMU--- see my response above there is so much more to that game that people don't realize.
Michigan----We not only were in the game- we scored against a BCS level team. (key word-scored)
Boise---- Top 10 once/ previous line.
Miami---- Disagree. Hell, its Miami( we've done that to them and they have done it to us many) Rivals are like that
Temple----- you have me their I forgot about that and missed watching that game/ too young to realize how bad- TOUCHE
but I will say no more we will see how bad this loss in a few weeks. Just remember we are playing not only for bowl eligibility but one of the best recruiting cycles in our history. Perspective changes everyhting and when you lose like that with the chips on the line, what is left to be said. I'm not being a downer (I am an optimist) but I am honest in my assesment and hate when one is downvoted or talked down for their opinion that has merit.
We can do the agree to disagree thing. I can see you strongly feel a certain way and I don't hate you for it.
When we beat uva we will hug it out.
Likewise, I don't change my opinion of anyone. I just felt for the guy because I felt he could've been 80 years old and the you must be new comment was kind of questioning the validity of his opinion or an attempt to and in the moment felt the need to stick up for him. Maybe just a bit overzealous, but I understood his pain. Regardless of what happened today, A win against LOLUVA always helps. I am in no way being a downer as some or as much of a "nothing to see here" type. Just calling it how I see this year. A leg to you (if i could it would be a drink because we need one) as I respect everyone's POV.
I would definitely say the program is the worst that I have ever seen it, I started watching with enthusiasm in 1994. We may have had some other losses that were more heartbreaking but they were only because we had higher expectations and were having better seasons. IMO this is the worst TEAM I have seen.
I'm not new (freshman year was '83), and agree wholeheartedly with the assessment. I was there yesterday, and I was at Temple '95 - yesterday was worse than that one. JMU was mostly about scheduling. Our tailgate group is all from the same timeframe, and there was universal agreement this was the worst game any of us had ever witnessed.
What made this the worst was the utter futility of it all. The other games involved both teams actually moving the football, scoring points, and generally not looking like shit. Yesterday was just hopeless.
If you look at almost any college football box score these days, you see teams getting 300, 400, 500 yards. Yesterday? Something like 269-232. And I believe neither team hit 200 (and stayed over it) until the 4th. And it wasn't so much the defenses were so great as the the offenses were just brutal.
Our first legitimate scoring opportunity was in the first OT. If their kicker was remotely competent, we're talking about the infamous 3-0 loss to WF. Instead, being 2-for-6 made him the freakin' hero.
That game set the sport back 50 years. And it was the worst game of college football, ever - even the non-forward-pass era had no passing as an excuse.
There definitely needs to be changes made after a season and a performance like that that.
The only thing I have every wanted is the head coach of the program accept responsibility when the Hokies play bad. Dag gummit doesn't work anymore. Somebody's head needs to roll! Time for the Motley era!
"Wake.....they'll get after ya. We played a good team today." Classic Frank.
Frank seriously just said something along the lines of "beating UVA gives you a reprieve for this season." SERIOUSLY.
I don't know how you can be so sure that we'll have a better chance to win with Brewer benched. I think Motley should be getting way more snaps, a respectable split even. I think we should've seen way more of Motley today.
But being able to execute a whole game's worth of plays is not the same as coming in and running a few read-option/change of pace plays. Who knows how many reps he's gotten with the entire playbook? Our offensive problems go way beyond Michael Brewer. I don't think benching him is going to solve any problems and I think it will make Brewer out to be a scape goat unfairly.
You can't be sure Motley will be better. But it will be very, very difficult for him to be any worse, and at that point it's worth the risk of just making the switch. People thought Logan was bad the last two years, Brewer has been on a completely other level of terrible.
I'm sorry Jive...but Brewer has not been a good QB since the OSU game.
VT has always had a mobile QB except for Grant Noel and Glennon. Noel was a backup and Glennon was filler until Tyrod came aboard. With the current state of our running game we need Motley at QB. He will keep defenses more honest than Brewer. If he can't throw the ball lets run option the whole game.
I don't necessarily disagree with you. I think we need a mobile QB, too. It just feels wrong to bench the guy in the last game of the season as if to say that he's been the problem. When you're shut out in regulation against Wake Forest, there are problems with every offensive position group. But I guess you could say that this decision should've been made weeks ago -- and there's never a wrong time to make the right decision.
I agree...as I was writing the response I thought "why and I making such a big deal about this" but Brewer is a rs junior and Motley is a sophomore. We need to see what else we have at the QB position.
"Andy Bitter @AndyBitterVT 1h 1 hour ago
Frank on the QB situation: "I think we've got to look at it." #Hokies"
There is FAR more wqrong with the offense than just Brewer's performance. It looks like he'll be labeled the scapegoat by the coaches & many fans, but that ignores the MANY other serious problems we have on offense. It's not all Brewer, but looks like the talking points are already being distributed...
I'm your huckleberry
1) Tentative quarterback play- doesn't get the ball out
2) Whoever is responsible for setting protections (pre-Loeffler, it was the QB) is doing an awful job. If it is still the QB, the OL can't block people that they are being moved away from based on the called protection. If it is the OL (assuming the center) then the lack of improvement lands in David Wang and Stacy Searels lap
3) Last week, we saw the OL take an aggressive posture in run blocking and we finally saw the bully versus Duke. Wake overloaded the space outside of the hashes, so that same attitude needed to be delivered via quick hitters inside. We saw a few, but the play-calling structure certainly didn't feed it, and the lack of correct reads on read option (again QB) left a ton of yards out there.
4) Wake's corners outplayed our wide receivers. You won't here it, but they defeated blocks on screens and kept separation to a minimum. Seniors against freshmen, it isn't shocking.
Have I nailed all the pertinent facts? Or did I miss one of the bullet points Frank sent me to write here?
Also, please share your fool proof five point plan for turning things around. There is more to fixing this than "Fire Frank, Recruit Better, Call Better Plays, and Make the Players Try Harder!" Enlighten us stooges who are eager to learn.
Well said, French.
I appreciate your analysis and breakdowns, even if reading them makes my head hurt.
Having said that, is the nasty sting at the end of the post necessary? Wouldn't being a titled member of the gentry in our little corner of the interwebs put you slightly above the fray?
But to speak to your point: it's not OUR job out here to turn things around, in five or any number of points. That's why the school pools our ticket money and Hokie Club gifts, and direct deposits it into Frank's bank account. And other staff members. And if they're incapable of turning it around - and the evidence is mounting, if not all the way there - then it's time to find someone who can. And 3 of your 4 bullets point to coaching being part of it.
(BTW, none of my bullets would be "Make the players try harder." I know they're trying; I can't imagine any player stepping on the field and not trying. You're playing for SOMEthing, even if it's just for yourself; and it can't be remotely safe to be out on a football field half-assing, so I don't see anyone doing that.)
Was Brewer really even THAT good against aOSU??? People tend to forget that he still turned the ball over 3 times in that game.....in my opinion, we won largely in spite of his play.
He wasn't.
People forget how bad the offense looked in the middle portion of that game. Should have buried OSU TBH.
I'll defend his play vs OSU. Yeah he turned the ball over, but he kept their offense off the field by extending drives. He did some pretty great things on third down.
THAT BEING SAID.. He is not the same quarterback and we are not the same team. People seem to be forgetting that Motley got a vote for ACC player of the year. He's a playmaker.
That vote is a joke. Motley got that vote before anyone had ever seen him play. Whoever voted for him made the calculated decision that "If I vote for something so comepletely crazy, it will get the people talking."
I'm not worried about if Motley knows the entire playbook because the it's beyond obvious the offense can't execute 1/10th of it. I agree the problems go beyond Brewer, but our offensive limitations are augmented by his weaknesses. This offense is desperate for big plays. He doesn't present the running threat to effectively run the zone read plays or the arm to beat anyone deep.
Thank you Hokies.
I used to like the color orange. Sunkist is orange. Oranges are orange. Pimento cheese is orange. Orange bowl.
You guys have completely mindfucked me on the color orange. forever.
Thanks... again.
...fucking orange pants... Fuck.
The uniforms were my favorite part of the game today. And I hated the uniforms.
Oh, yeah. It was totally the pants. Had nothing to do with execution, preparation or play calling.
lighten up
The orange pants caused those other things. Orange pants cause all things that are bad. Seriously. Name something bad, and I guaruntee you that I can, and probably will, blame orange pants.
I actually kinda liked the unis today, not gonna lie. But to your point, we usually aren't too impressive in orange
They looked like we were trying to mimic UofMiami. So much for establishing a brand...
I disagree. I get what you're saying but it's still our logo, just a different color. Whatever was lost from brand identity we gain back in interest from 15-18 year-old recruits who eat that stuff up. Serious brand identity problems that come to my mind were the turkey feet and the Foghorn Leghorn helmets.
How did they "unestablish" a brand then? Wearing orange pants every now and again is not damaging your brand
I get so tired of the "branding" debates when it comes to uniform variants and then posting pics of the "official" color(s) from the branding guidelines of the university that we clearly DON'T follow, nor does HokieSports or pretty much any part of the university for that matter, especially the athletics department . The official maroon is almost a berrywine instead of maroon and the official orange is a washed out orange, neither are used with any regularity. Therefore I think we can "officially" put the color debate to rest. I can put our "official" Pantone colors into a jersey template in Adobe Illustrator and you can see just how bad those would look on a uniform.
Now the argument can be made that there was a set of orange pants the we got from Nike a while back that looked more like a neon orange than the orange in our jersey and pant stripes. I will also admit the the all orange look was bad. I like the use of orange occasionally with uniform variations and people just have to accept that Oregon changed the game with all of their uniform variations and it has become a part of college athletics, for better or worse.
As a colorblind man, I'll just have to take your word for it.
If there is anyone who would know, its Prripper.
Our official maroon is essentially a deep brick red. When you go to websites that are based on our official colors, they just don't look right at all. They come across as brick red/faded orange. Long ago our athletic dept made a conscious decision to go with a maroon that had more of a bluish tint to it than our official color, and an orange that had far more pop to it than our official color, because it stood out and people could see it clearly from the stands, because our official colors actually kind of wash each other out when used together.
Our official colors are Chicago Maroon - Pantone 208, and Burnt Orange - Pantone 158. We don't really use either color in our uniforms. As mentioned above, the actual maroon is more of a berry color, and the orange is a very dull muted shade of orange. Almost identical to UofTexas orange, which is Pantone 159.
What we use, and have for years, is a deeper shade of maroon and a blaze orange. That makes the uni's stand out more than our actual colors would. If we had uniforms in our actual colors now, we'd look like something out of the 1950's. They'd be really washed out and blah.
I don't mind us straying from the real colors, as long as we still use maroon & orange. I actually prefer the blaze orange to the burnt orange for the above reasons. I just don't like the use of gray, black, etc. Yes, I know those used to be our colors, but we changed AWAY from them a century ago. Our brand is mostly maroon with some orange & the square root of one logo. That is our brand, and that is where I want us to stay. 'Rant' over, haha!
The buck stops here. Beamer must go. Give the reins to Foster for the last game and let's see what he can do. When you make $2.5 million a year, there should be an expectation to perform. Beamer and staff have been in stady decline for five years.
Not sure if it's because you want to fire CFB or because you're a fireman...
Who is responsible for the program? Beamer has no doubt built a program from nothing, but he is responsible for the current state. He has failed to make adjustments to recruiting and coaching staff. He is the leader and his leadership is not working! Yes i am in the fire service and damn proud of that. what does that have to do with my post?
Easy there buddy, just referring to your name, and since I can recognize a fellow first time poster, it was totally possible your name was in reference to firing some Hokies. There's no need for unprovoked hostility.
Sorry, not trying to be hostile. I did not understand you post that way. Just really frustrated with the status of the program.
Hop aboard that bandwagon
I agree something at the top needs to happen. But does hiring Bud Foster to that spot REALLY help? Week in and week out, people like to complain about our offense. How does that magically get fixed by hiring a defense coordinator to turn it around?
Because he has a plan. Bud has notebooks full of ways he would do things (systems, people, etc).
I believe the thought process is "Bud Foster would be able to hire a good offensive coordinator, because he knows a good offense when he sees one". You can't coach defenses as well as Bud without knowing a little something about the other side of the ball.
THIS! This this this a thousand times this.
i also think people believe bud wouldnt put up with a shitty offense if he ran the team. people would be held accountable on his staff and he wouldnt make excuses.
Could you use the same philosophy with Will Muschamp? Bo Pelini? Nick Saban?
Not saying you're wrong, but I don't think that thought process is close to universal truth.
A lot of people keep saying that Motley "might" not be better than Brewer. Ok, fine. Why don't they give him significant playing time and see what happens. The small sampling of plays seems to point in the direction of success.
How has Brewer done so far? He is 5-6 with 153 INTS and -497 rushing yards (obviously exaggerated; but feels about right). We have seen what Brewer gives us and it is NOT the standard we are used to seeing at VT.
Give Motley a shot. We have absolutely nothing to lose.
I about lost my mind when brewer came back in.
Could it be that Motley is too limited in the playbook???
Then again we only have about four plays that work!!!
I suspect it is because he's had no snaps this season and hasn't attended most of the meetings due to class requirements.
I see they added a couple plays to his collection but I suspect he shot his wad and that's it.
Bingo!
Really though? He's been at QB for both years that Loeffler has been OC. He was named the #1 QB in the spring. And yet the coaches are only comfortable with (or he's only prepared for) running a handful of plays? That just seems like a lousy excuse for someone who, last I checked, has been on scholarship as a QB since he arrived on campus in 2012.
Consider that Tyrod Taylor saw the field in the second game of his true freshman season and played regularly thereafter. How could Motley know less of the playbook/not be able to execute plays at this point?
I'd like to see him do very well.
I do not think he is Tyrod that made things up as he went and wasn't a fireball his first year either.
Not saying at all that I don't want him in, I'm just exploring the possible reasons why he hasn't played very much and why I think he may not be ready to take on a whole game.
He hasn't played a snap since he hurt his back until last week and hasn't been attending all the meetings even.
I suspect these are the reasons he is not playing more.
I expect with a bit more practice he will play more. I expect this week we will see him more.
I'm not placing the blame on Motley at all. As French has detailed in another thread, if Motley is truly the backup QB, how can the coaching staff not have him prepared to play? Regardless of the performance of the starter, the backup QB is only an injury away from being the guy and damn well better be able to execute the gameplan. It's incumbent on the coaches to prepare the backup for extensive playing time.
Because he was the backup to the backup.
When was the lat time we used a 3rd stringer, really.
Plan is to have him fit and healthy for QB competition next year but, nobody anywhere in NCAA or NFL gives the 3rd QB any meaningful reps in practice or games.
This is not a fault in the OC, there are plenty of real ones to select.
Ah yes, the Mike O'Cain playbook in it's entirety:
1) That running play:
Big dudes in front push other big dudes around. Small dude hands ball to fast dude. Fast dude runs forward.
2) You know, the screen pass:
Big dudes in front push other big dudes around. Some big dudes break wide and push smaller dudes around. Small dude behind main force of big dudes throws ball to small dude behind rest of big dudes.
3) Tyrod Taylor:
Big dudes in front push other big dudes around. Small dude runs for his life. Other small dudes just try to not be near enemy dudes. Small dude with football makes something happen.
I think I hear maniacal laughter coming out of Mike OCain.
Motley must start next week if we want to have any chance at a win. Brewer is consistently bad and a prime example of that was his interception today. I am tired of being embarrassed about being a tech fan. I feel like I need to put a bag over my head when I attend the uva game this week. I want to be proud to be a Hokie fan but this team keeps losing. If we lose to uva I am not going to be able to go anywhere for the next year without being made fun of. WE CANT LOSE TO UVA. WHATEVER IT TAKES. OUR TEAM NEEDS TO FIND A WAY TO GET THE WIN.
I'm with everyone else Motley needs to start next week. I know people may say that he hasn't had enough practice time to grasp the offense, but does it really look like Brewer grasps the offense, and if he has what has that done for him? Heck Brewer might even be the better quarterback, but with no running back and no offensive line, we need a quarterback that gives us the best chance to win. Sean Glennon was probably the better quarterback Tyrod's freshman year(I said freshman year don't blow up at me. Obviously by the time Tyrod matured he was the substantially better quarterback), but Glennon had absolutely no offensive line or decent run game to help him, so the coaches put in the dynamic back-up, who didn't fully grasp the offense, because it gave us the best chance to win. Likewise, Motley is by far the more dynamic of the two, and we don't really have that much of an offense that needs grasping...
After Motley got us as close to the endzone as we had been all day, only to get pulled out and have Brewer throw a fumble (he threw a fuckin fumble), I didn't think there was a way Brewer would be back on the field. He comes in and throws the ball directly to the corner. I had to take a walk,<em> I was literally shaking from frustration</em>. I have no idea how Motley isn't your guy after that. Makes zero fucking sense. Then our coaches decide to leave the scrub in the game for overtime. I'm sure I'm not the first one to comment this since it was pretty obvious that Motley was our best option, but I had to say it up here because it's just ridiculous. Our coaching staff is a joke at this point. They're screwing our players and it's really sad.
It's tough to change quarterbacks at the end of the season, it's a change that should have been made long ago (and most people were calling for it) but it never happened. And to be completely honest, I don't care if we make a bowl game. I understand you get 15 more practices, but I just don't care about watching what is essentially a participation trophy. Hell, I don't even care if we beat UVA. All I care about is what changes come after the season is over, and the sooner it's over the sooner we get to find out.
There is no guarantee of anything with either qb but imagine the hostile post season environment if Motley doesn't play at all next week. It would not surprise me at all considering the head scratching decisions made the last 2 seasons.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. This season has been a train wreck. Give the other guy a shot. At least it would send the message to recruits that if you perform at a high level you can start over the guy who put his time in.
I don't believe that Mtley needs to start but he definitely needs to get signifigant reps. Frank's assertion in that Wake game that Motley's fumble gave him pause? What about all of Brewer's turnovers this year? The fact is is that Brewer's a first year QB as well. The coaches trusted him with a first start, so trust Motley to do his job as well once we put him in the game. We NEED. A dual threat QB.
Brewer's INT where he threw it right to the DB should have been his last throw of the game.
I've been a staunch supporter of Brewer throughout the season (and he has played pretty well the past few games), but at this point, I think we're in a very similar position to where we were last year with LT3. Brewer is a better pocket passer - he can make the throws, read the defense, etc. better than Motley can, from the limited views we've had of Motley. Add onto the fact that Motley really hasn't practiced all year, and I have no problem with Brewer holding onto the job up til now. However, with the issues we have up front and the fact that we're pretty much out of running backs, we need the veer threat to move the football. Him running the ball should open up the passing game as well, helping to cover up his own weaknesses as a passer. You'll very, very rarely hear me calling for the backup, but at this point, I think it's time.
Yeah, I'd like to see more of Motley and I think this has been the case game by game from the coach's perspective to ease him back into the offense. I noticed he actually completed a pass this game as opposed to just read option/jet sweeps against Duke. Not sure he's ready to be the starter, but I wouldn't mind if he is against UVA. Let's face it, he's got more upside that Brewer and hopefully will be the starter the next 2 years (unless Durkin or Ford has somthing to say about it).
I do not see where up tempo would have helped a bit last game.
Just get Brewer sacked in quicker succession.
That was a rant, not a considered evaluation.
that's the issue.. take brewer out of the game and run the same 4 plays for Motley..he was gaining yards and we looked much better. the game plan after the 3rd quarter should have been get to the 35 yardline and kick the FG on 2nd down.
Yeah except that's not what the poster said.
He said run an uptempo offense. Not put in Motley until he's ineffective.
I say, counter Wake's blitz with proper adjustments.
we don't know how to make adjustments.. if French can figure it out watching tape/actual come up with a plan during the game to counter why can't our coaches ?
So you are encouraging us to run our bad offense faster?
If our plays are doomed because we can't adjust, shouldn't we at least run them slower?
I'm hoping we find a unicorn and have a good offense go fast.
I am encouraging us to use a player that has shown when we run zone read/jet sweeps to be a factor. When Brewer is in during those plays I'm sure the D is more worried about Newsome/Caleb/JC than brewer and it has shown on the few times he has kept it green grass everywhere.
Make the Defense be accountable for the QB and the sweep man and the deep PA threat. Instead they only have to guard 1/4 of the field because Brewer isn't the fastest/small arm and not a big home run threat that motley could be. Yes I have no idea how motley's deep ball is or accuracy but my god he can run with the ball.
so, even though you posted somebody else's silly tweet about running an "up-tempo O," that's not what you are saying. You are saying play Motley because Brewer isn't making the defense account for all the options.
That makes sense. Saying "Run an Up Tempo O" is just words that don't make any sense. It's as relevant as saying "Throw the Football Higher!"
If the answer to why Motley isn't getting more PT is knowledge of the playbook, then ok. But if it were me, I would march him out there with those 4 plays he knows and run them to death. He has been effective in his limited snaps, I think he deserves a chance to fight for the starting job next year. I think it should start this week.
This prompted me to ponder... So if we were to do that, and UVA shuts down those 4 plays by the end of the 1st quarter, what then? Brewer back in? Sandlot football?
I don't disagree that I'd like to see Motley get a shot, but I'm assuming there's a reason why he hasn't been out there much yet, and I'm wondering what the contingency plan is if the experiment starts to fail.
Scramble Drill....set...hike!
I might be in the minority here but I would much rather take a game of Zone Read/Jet Sweeps vs this dumpster fire. You would have to think that we would be able to break/make correct read on 1 of the 60 plays of zone read/jet sweeps for a TD.
let mot draw somethin' up in the dirt?
You can't get worse than zero points. Brewer doesn't have the arm strength to throw down the field - weak passes gives the DBs too much time to break on the ball. Brewer doesn't protect the ball particularly well. Brewer doesn't keep the defense honest by scrambling to pick up yards. That being said, I will always be thankful for the OSU game.