This is a pretty decent article and worth the read. It has thoughts from Bobby Bowden and potential guys that Whit would look at. And I must say the Rich Rod scenario if he could keep Foster would be awesome! A high speed spread offense with Buds defense couldn't get any better.
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Fuck That.
Bright side, it would piss WVU off even more?
No. No bright side. Screw pissing them off.
Yes to us getting a great coach that won't leave us high number dry or under sanctions.
I'm with you.
I concur...screw Rich Rod....horrible.
Hell no.
These two can't co-exist the way you think. I'm not saying it couldn't be a winning formula, but the "high speed" offenses means more plays for the offense and defense. Add a few drives by the opponent to Bud's numbers and the defense doesn't look as hot as it does now. If the Offense puts up points, it doesn't matter; if not, the defense runs out of gas.
I'm not seeing where the difference is between that and what we have now. It's not like our current offense is picking up first downs all over the place keeping the defense of the field. And even with that being the case we are in a position to win late in most games... With an offense that actually can score? That's the stuff wet dreams are made of.
Yup. Our defense would have looked great this year too if we could put up some points and pin our ears back. There is an optimization point somewhere where in the middle where the O and D compliment each other the best.
What was wakes TOP?
I don't remember either team's offense actually getting off the bus
33:34 in regulation. +7 min differential.
If the offense is putting up points the other team needs to throw the ball. Then the mad genius that is Foster will destroy them.
That look....
Bud has said multiple times that if he were a head coach he would run a spread offense, because he thinks it's the hardest to defend.
Spread offenses do not have to be fast.
a high speed offense does not have to be the spread.
Bud likes the spread. I doubt he wants it at a high speed because that would require more snaps from his defense.
Correct. The spread can actually still be used to ground and pound when needed. Pace is what concerns me.
To be more specific, Bud likes the variation of the spread that features a rushing quarterback. More Clemson/OSU and less Mike Leach.
So no to Lincoln Riley? He's only two degrees separation from Leach.
I'm not a fan of that type of offense, and I don't think Bud wants to throw the ball around that much. He wants to be able to pound it when he needs to. In the past when speaking about the type of spread offenses he admires, its usually one that features some QB power (no coincidence that those type of plays are the ones which give Bud's scheme the most problems)
Whats the difference between scoring fast and what our offense has been doing often.... going three and out?
Scoring fast would keep pressure off the defense since they don't have to worry about giving up a big play and the team falling behind on the scoreboard?
Yea I agree, I was replying to the notion that a high speed spread offense can't exist with bud fosters defense simply isn't true. I was saying that we are already going 3 and out many times and not giving out defense enough time to rest, but at least if you had a high speed offense, you would be putting up points instead of just going 3 and out and putting more pressure on the defense to make more bigger stops
How does a high speed offense make more points than a non-high speed offense?
Speed isn't a system. Speed is a timing and pacing.
A 3 and out is a 3 and out. If you run it faster, you run more plays in the same amount of time. If you are out in 3 but at a faster pace, your defense simply comes out on the field sooner and ends up on the field for more snaps.
A high speed offense that moves the ball will have more snaps because less clock time is spent between snaps. If you are scoring, then ok, but, it won't mean your defense is on the field for less plays, odds are they'll be on for more plays.
It's nearly impossible for a defense to be on the field more frequently as consistently as ours is over the course of the season... And that said, our defense still does enough in most games to put us in a position to win with a crap offense. A high tempo offense that stresses scoring fast and furious would compliment this defense perfectly.
this.
Yes sir, I'll add that our defense could be on the field more if the same plays are run faster and less time taken off the clock.
That having been said, I will agree that a
I do not think this offense with these guys at this time can do so.
It's quite one thing to say that if we had Oregon's offense we'd win ballgames. That's a given.
I simply do not think it's possible to install that in just a couple year and have it be effective.
We could put the ball in play faster but,that does not guarantee the impact will be more first downs and more scores.
I see that we periodically run a faster tempo offense and sometimes it is effective. I do not think we are capable of doing that much more than we are now. Going faster, for the sake of going faster, I do not think is the answer.
I wasn't comparing high speed offenses vs. conventional offenses. All I was replying to is that the OP said scoring fast wouldn't help this team. My response was we go 3 and out just as fast as Oregon scores. Same amount of time, but Oregon gets points, we don't.
I agree then, we need to make more first downs and more scores.
As fast as Oregon scores against who? Most of their competition has poor defenses. But I have seen that offense get punched in the mouth and look dumbstruck. my original post was not intended to defend our current putrid offense. I was simply stating that the optimal formula is not to turn up the pace to the max. You have to find a good pace that puts up points without hamstringing your defense. This can be spread or pro style.
You might say Oregon's competition has had poor defenses but they are much better than what VT has played against.
We have played something like 5 defenses in the top 30 total defense. And again, I wasn't defending this current vt offense.
7 points.
One thing that concerns me with Rich Rod is loyalty. As Hokie fans, we have been spoiled with stability in terms of our head coach. Rich Rod completely bailed on WVU after their infamous choke against 3-8 Pitt back in 2007 that kept them out of the National Championship. Perhaps Michigan was a better move for Rich Rod than WVU, but that was just an awful situation and he may be more hated in WV right now than President Obama.
In a post Beamer world, loyalty is going to be hard, if not impossible, to find. That's the reality and something we as fans should start to prepare for.
not if its Bud
That would be one of the exceptions.
YOu are absolutely right. I think everyone is forgetting that Beamer damn near left VT for UNC. Rich Rod took the fucking MICHIGAN job. Does anyone think Frank Beamer doesn't take the Michigan job, if offered?
I would have no problem with Rich Rod. To say we don't want him because he coached at WVU, thats sort of like Alabama fans saying they don't want Nick Saban as their coach because he coached at LSU - if he's a good coach, I want him no matter what. We're not talking about bringing in WVU's mascot to coach the team. He's just a dude. A dude whose teams win, and are highly effective on offense.
Part of the fun of College Football is the unreasonable hatred you have towards your rivals. Would Rich Rod do a good job at Tech? Of course, the guy invented one of the most important tactics of the 21st century.
That being said... Screw Rich Rod. He's a mountaineer. It's more fun for me to hate that guy forever and get a different Head Coach than it would be for me to root for him as a Hokie and start winning 10 games a season again.
It's not rational. But it's fun.
I think he is grasping at straws with RichRod actually. I have some friends in Arizona Athletic Department and from everything I heard (#sourcesonacactus) the administration there is enamored with him and likewise he with them. That RichRod has earned a lot of cred with local high schools in Southern California with kids that love his offense.
But mostly that the Michigan debacle and the blacklisting really humbled the man and he has routinely voiced that he is in Tucson for the long haul. Now... he may pull a Bobby Petrino (which by the way I love that google uses his post motorcycle crash picture as his profile) and jump ship again but seems like he has found a good fit.
Might be harder to win big at Arizona than at VT. Better competition and less in state talent. Also seems like an East Coast guy for most of his career. Don't have any sources but just some thoughts.
I'd bet the next head coach for VT will be offensive minded. Think he's a good candidate.
I agree with all that. Just what my cactus based sources tell me. He seems happy and they seem not worried about him jumping at all.... but, this is RichRod so who knows.
Personally, I think he would be great as our offensive coordinator but not sure I would want him as our HC. I would prefer Chad Morris.
This really pissed me off. No loyalty? This from the man who after saying he would step down multiple times had to be dragged kicking and screaming from the program. Sorry.
Rich Rod? Hell no
Rich Rod with any semblance of a defense sounds more fun than what we have now. But mehh..
I wouldn't mind Mark Stoops, Chad Morris or Bud.
Why would Stoops leave UK to come to Blacksburg? He's starting to build something there and the SEC pays more than the ACC.
Well the sec may pay more, but the easier path to the playoffs is through the ACC.
That's true but the gap in difficulty is definitely closing. I think the ACC is vastly improved over, say, 5 years ago?
I didn't say he would come here but I would like to have him. Either way though he doesn't stay at UK for long imo. UK may be on the rise but they are never going to be like UGA Auburn LSU etc etc in the SEC. He'll be like Franklin from Vandy. Did well there and made an impact but bigger schools will come calling. VT is a bigger football program than UK and there is more chance for upper success (conference champs, natl champs) at VT than at UK. The SEC may pay more overall but the conference doesn't pay his salary the school does. I don't know what UK pays stoops now but I would have trouble thinking that VT couldn't at least match it. We're not talking Bama here.
I believe stoops is getting somewhere around 2 million basically what we are paying Beamer.
Blacksburg is a beautiful area, but it isn't for everybody. Lexington is a beautiful city. That'd be a tough match up for a lot of people. As far as UK being like UGA, Auburn, LSU,..let him build his program and they will be, and they have the resources to do it via basketball money. Stoops already has a name, let him get a little wind under his sails and people will pressure the admin to pay him. UK let Bear Bryant get away. People aren't gonna let that sort of thing happen again.
I haven't heard stoops say anything bad about more rural areas. He may love Blacksburg. I don't really think that's the issue at hand here. He is doing well in his first year there. But I think your being a bit naive to think that bigger programs won't come calling in a few years and he'll stay in UK. Again it's his first HC job and if he's proving good then bigger football programs with a higher ceiling will come calling and he will leave. I think he would be a serious candidate for the vt job. Does he come? I don't know. But I still think there is a better chance for higher success at vt than at UK.
I live in Cincy and listen to Stoop's call in show sometimes. He is really a good interview on the radio. Not a lot of coach speak but very direct bout the good and the bad. I think he is good coach but he song leave Lexington for the 'burg.
He may not but do you think the only reason he wouldn't come to Blacksburg is because he doesn't like the area or he likes Lexington more? I doubt that's the driving issue that would keep him out of Blacksburg.
My list, in order:
1 Richt - c'mon GT! If they win this weekend, the annual "should we fire Richt?" Discussion would be deafening.
2 rich rod - I know, he's a dick. But if he came here, he'd be our dick. Wait, what? And I bet, like Richt, he'd keep Foster.
3 Foster - he's earned it. Lincoln Riley at OC.
4 McIlwain - bright guy, he will get a big job somewhere this year.
5 Addazio - tough as balls.
Stanford also reportedly pays terribly. I would at least see what David Shaws number is.
I don't think we can go with a coordinator who isn't Foster.
This is a great list. I would love to have Richt, Foster, or Addazio.
It looks like Stanford is starting to decline under Shaw, not drastically here at first, but as the players who were brought up by Harbaugh graduate, we'll see if Shaw can train the replacements. The first year after Hogan will be the defining year, in my opinion, for Shaw.
Rich Rod can stay in Arizona for all I care. He's a very good coach. But he tried to run a 4-2-5 in the Big Ten. Two linebackers. In the two-yards-and-a-cloud-of-snow conference. That was just dumb. Now, I'd bet he'd keep Foster and give him free reign. But his past at WVU stops me from considering him.
I don't know enough about McIlwain to say anything about him
Richt would be one of the last coaches I would want.
Georgia has ranked in the top 10 for recruiting pretty much every single year for the past decade and has done nothing with that amount of talent. He won the SEC championship in '02 and '05, that's about it. With the same level of talent as the rest of the SEC, I would expect that number to be higher, especially playing in the east.
I'm pretty sure that being in the state of Georgia and in the SEC are the two factors that lead to him recruiting so well anyway. So, if we make him a coach in SW Virginia and in the ACC, I'm willing to bet his recruiting ranks will decline. And if he can't win a national title with the talent he has in Georgia, then he'll be gone after 4 years at VT with a mediocre team in the ACC.
I believe it was French who wrote an article a month or so ago saying that with the hotbed that Georgia is in with talent, there is absolutely no reason why Georgia hasn't been better than they have in past decade, which pretty much points to the coach and that he's not as good as his record states.
I'm a UGA fan and I can understand their frustration about not getting them that last half step.
But that's two steps ahead if where we are currently. We tried to hire Bobo when we hired Loeffler. bobo was looking to leave his home school because they are nuts down there. Bobo + Bud with Richt handling the recruiting would be sweet.
I would prefer a HC with warts than an assistant not named Bud with no experience.
He's not the only one.
I get that Richt hasn't won championships with the talent he has in the area he has. But Georgia is also competing against the entire SEC for those players and has pulled in a slew of good ones. I'd love to have the stables of running backs he's had.
He also isn't afraid to suspend or remove players for egregious or repeated behavior problems, which I'm a fan of. Having not paid a huge amount of attention to UGA over the years, my outsider's perspective leads me to believe he's a good coach and has his priorities straight.
I wouldn't necessarily let his record lead me to the conclusion that he isn't a good coach. Sure, they don't have an MNC. But they're competing year-in and year-out with programs that have massive resources (UF) or programs that otherwise dump a huge amounts of money into the football programs (both Alabama schools, LSU, now the Mississippis) and schools with long, legendary histories. It isn't like he perpetually comes in third in the Sun Belt.
Stanford's one year decline is the perfect time to poach him. Much like Buzz in his one mediocre year at Marquette, that's the time when everything doesn't seem so rosy.
Think of Patterson at TCU. You could have got him last year, this year he will be only moving for a $5m payday.
Two other quality HCs not having great years: Gundy and Fitzgerald. Two guys playing at the alma maters.
Lincoln Riley would be great as OC, I agree with you there. I like Richt and I would be happy if he became our next coach, but at the same time I'm a little iffy about him. If he keeps Foster then I'd be fine but besides this season, Georgia hasn't had the best defenses. I hear McIlwain's name floated a lot, don't know a whole lot about him but he seems like an interesting mid-major candidate. I'd personally put Chad Morris at the top.
Georgia tried to get bud as DC so I'd have trouble seeing Richt let Bud go if he became the HC at tech.
Strangely enough, Louisville is crushing it this year with former Georgia DC Todd Grantham.
he's got all of the players Charlie Strong (defensive minded) coach brought into Louisville, That was the side of the ball that Strong could relate most ad recruited the best while at Louisville.
Holy-flaming-dog-balls-VT can do better than Mark Richt (or Dick Rod fort hat matter).
Where did this notion come from and why do people think it has merit?
Is it the result some insidious subversion campaign to mire VT football in permanent 8-4 status?
The culprit must be identified!
If you want to talk Addazio and Foster I'm with you. But Richt Rod..? No. Thanks.
Oh yes because Richt struggles to go 8-4 every year at UGA, correct?
Isn't uga the only program to win the sec and NOT play in the bcs title game?
Richt has underachieved there with those resources and that talent. And he's not exactly on the upswing of his career.
ADDAZIO. YES.
McIlwain would be a great hire by us. He used to coach under Nick Saban at Alabama and he has done wonders for CSU in recent years.
When Beamer hangs it up...give the keys to Bud...he deserves the chance if he wants it.
Besides that..Happy Thanksgiving my Hokie brethren. And by the way Fuck Rich Rod...would the key play be renamed throw batteries at the opposing teams fans?
Whose your DC at that point?
Doi-Torian Gray and then Vinnie Fuller as DB coach.
Torrian Gray
edit: beaten by 39 seconds. well done macgruber
Torrian Gray for sure...Wiley would be a strong candidate as well though.
Foster would probably be heavily involved in the play calling on defense a la dude from Auburn.
I think my preferred candidate would be Justin Wilcox.
Is he a good coach? Don't know, don't care. But we could start referring to our athletic department as the Babcock & Wilcox company, which would be pretty sweet. imo.
First we kill all the lawyers.
A big issue with Rich Rod is the time it takes to assemble the parts necessary to execute his offense. It's not interchangeable with most systems, so the question is how much of our current offensive roster would thrive in his scheme and how much needs to be augmented?
It's going to take time regardless of who comes in. my guess is whoever comes in/whit hires will run an exciting spread offense and stick with it.
Aka not say we're multiple offense because we all see how that's worked for us.
Yeah I'd love to see us run a true spread offense.
Travel McMillan at qb
At least the article made me stop and remember all the high points CFB has brought US! What a ride; however, it is time for the change. Yes BUD deserves the shot but does he want it? There is no shame in being labeled the BEST DC in college football. I am sure he and his family are "set" going forward so all that remains is his ego and any goals that he has. I have always loved his fire and intensity. A screw you and we will kick your butt personality. I would pay to drink a beer with him!
I would say give Lefty one more year but for the fact that he lacks what Bud exudes. There is NO fire there and does not that reflect the O? I don't see practices but I can't imagine the O line seething and thinking.. I am going to break you.
Leaving as is and hire of Morris would not be bad and let him bring his own offensive guy in. BS (great initials) needs to be sent to JMU with his buddy. All say he is a great recruiter. Well, he was OC was for too many years and look at our O line. Remember the line in the national championship game...I could of run through those holes.
I hope Frank steps back and sees what has happened over the past few years and moves on to the lake house. There he can watch over the water and relive those years where he made IT HAPPEN!
I feel like these articles are like this Key & Peele sketch just trying to rile us and any team they name as having a potential replacement head coach coaching for them now:
They may be, but Beamer will not be coaching us forever. And IMO we need to start thinking about the future without the man that we all grew to love and respect as the king of hokie nation!
perfect solution to this whole coaching situation, eventually regardless of results Beamer is more than likely on the way out very shortly, so I say we hire Chad Morris as OC give him 1-2 years to set up his offense get the players to fit his scheme, etc.. and then after that Beamer resigns and Morris takes HC. BOOM!!!!!!
I don't think Chad Morris would leave Clemson for the same job at Virginia Tech. And I'm pretty sure we're not allowed to call him head coach in waiting.
Anyone but Shane Beamer.
Why can't we call anyone HCW, head coach waiting, with a huge payout if they are not coach within 2 years?
Illegal in Virginia... Have to go through an interview process for any public office, and since VT is a public university....
I'm not understanding where the problem is? Doesn't Foster get a payout if he is not the HC by next year?
http://64.27.92.56/files/4438_Paxton_quote-RT-12-4-08.pdf
This article says there should be no problem.
I mean we already wore the same uniform template that Rich Rod had at WVU, so clearly there is a natural fit there...
Look, I love Bud as much as the next guy, and I respect the hell out of him for staying so long. If he does indeed want the job, it truly would suck to see him not be given it after sticking with us through all these years.
At the same time, the whole point of getting rid of one coach and hiring a new one is CHANGE. That's the #1 thing this program needs right now, CHANGE. Bud and Frank have been joined at the hip for so long, I'm afraid simply hiring Bud wouldn't accomplish that.
In a perfect world, Beamer wins the UVA game and steps down, Bud doesn't want the HC position and stays with us at DC, and a new HC is brought in from outside the program. But we don't live in a perfect world.
I'm glad they pointed this out. IMHO the longer Beamer/Whit holds out, the longer it will take us to recover from this.
Rich Rod can coach and the man can flat out recruit. He would be a good fit at VT.
He may be itching to come back to Appalachia, and the East Coast in general.