.@FootballScoop says #Hokies RB coach Shane Beamer interviewed for soon-to-be open Troy head coaching job http://t.co/I9XjEl3jK0— Andy Bitter (@AndyBitterVT) November 26, 2014
Not the first time that Shane Beamer has gotten interest from a Sun Belt Conference team right before a game against UVA (Georgia State, 2012).
Will be interesting to see how far he gets. If he were to accept a position, CFB retirement/resigning/being fired rumors would get turned up to 11.
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Honestly it would be good for him to get a HC gig. I'd rather see the Beamer coaching tree flourish vs stay stuck in Blacksburg. As far as legacy goes, what coaches come out of your branch is almost as important as what you did while you were a coach.
I don't think it would escalate Frank retirement rumors. Why wouldn't a young assistant, with SEC and ACC experience, with a hall of fame last name not take a D-1 HC job?
I think it means VT will be playing Troy in the near future OOC schedule.
It absolutely makes sense for Shane to leave for a HC gig, but I'm saying that if he does leave, we'll still get a ton of "he's leaving because Frank is leaving" speculation.
My first thought was that it will eliminate the "Shane is only here because of nepotism" speculation. Honestly, I think it would be a good move for him and VT.
Of course we will, doesn't mean it's flat-out wrong. Why would a young, promising RB coach turn down a HC position at a smaller school? If he leaves and does well there, he'll certainly have the resume for something bigger.
I hope he gets it. Not because I want him gone but I want him to do well and a HCing gig is a big step for him. One I think he'll do well in.
Isn't Shane our main recruiting guru? Would be cool to see him get a head coaching gig, but not if that's going to cost us some recruits. At the same time, maybe this team needs a facelift offensive coaching-wise. I don't think he'll accept the gig, but who knows?
Stiney is our best recruiter but yes losing Shane would hurt in recruiting.
Shane hasn't done anything to impress me in recruiting....
He's the Richmond recruiter, big in landing Raymon Minor among others. Hopkins brothers are from Richmond as well.
He should have done better. Has let Wilton Speight, Derrick Green, Curtis Grant, Scott Bracey, Morgan Moses slip away. That is just a few of MANY.
Wouldn't Morgan Moses' recruitment have been before Shane? Shane has only been here since 2011 and Moses is already in the NFL.
and Grant. Never heard of Bracey
Moses is the only one of those players who turned out alright so I'll let Shane slide on the rest of those mentioned
Grant is starting for tOSU. That isn't a shabby way to turn out.
Agree.. but I also noticed he lost to that "piss ant" program. I don't know about the truth to that comment, but way to insert foot in mouth lol.
No offense, but a lot of those players you mentioned were considered locker room cancers (I'm not in the business of bashing 18-19 year old kids so I won't elaborate on what I know). I'm from Richmond, I still talk to a couple of the HS coaches in the area...I'll put it this way, be glad we "missed" on some of those guys
Same. He hit a couple big ones at first but has really fallen short the past couple cycles.
I mean Holland Fisher, Minor, Reavis, Reid, Drew Harris (Yeah... I know we are still waiting on him be admitted lol), maybe missed on a few that weren't ever going to be considering VT- That's a good last few cycles... These are high ceiling players and compared to previous cycles add much to the depth and overall talent level of the team. No complaints on who has been quietly picking up. I think he may flip a guy when its all said and done for 2015. (Although, he did get Adonis Alexander and I have a good feeling that he will be the surprise of the class, honestly.)
rogers
FWIW, Rogers was spotted by Frank. Shane (like most every other program) was actually reluctant to the idea that he was D-1 material. Frank countered that he was what VT Football embodied, and the rest is history..
It was cool to read this a few weeks back in the Collegiate Times:
Cool story
hello kevin jones??? our recruiting aka some other much for official name.... i think i would take that trade
EDIT: opps didnt see below
Why would it escalate CFB rumors?
Good for Shane if he gets the job...at the same time, i'm tickled by the idea of having Kevin Jones replace him.
OH MY GOODNESS I HADN'T THOUGHT OF THIS
This would be awesome.
With David Wilson as the assistant to the assistant.
I dunno, his career path right now seems to be that of more of an administrative role that will help out the entire athletic department, as opposed to one purely for football. When he and Whit came to the Duke tailgate, it definitely had the feel that Whit was mentoring him a little bit.
Been on my radar since KJ came back to campus. Well spoken, NFL experience, would be able to recruit. Definitely would not suck.
I'm sorry but I hate hate hate the notion that former players would make great coaches. We went through this a few times with Dell Curry and the basketball jobs. Everyone is so quick to just hand a former great the job but just because they were a phenomenal player doesn't mean they can coach.
Sorry for the mini-rant. It's just not that cut and dry.
Certain coaching spots are easier for them to use what they were taught and their own experiences than others. Basketball is different. As a RB coach, what is he actually teaching? Who to pick up in pass protection, ball security, and footwork? These are things that a RB who was good enough to get to the NFL had to possess so I am sure he could teach it. The rest of the RB position is stuff that can't be taught...
I was going to say this, I feel like RB coach, while important of course, does not need someone with a whole lot of experience at coaching. Hell, its not like there are very many people who are RB coaches for years and years. It is more of a stepping stone to a better position for most coaches.
Well Shane has never played the position in his life and couldn't manage a running back rotation when he had a full stable of healthy backs.
Fair point, but with Beamers imminent retirement potentially limiting our choices for assistant coaches, having a Hokie may be an important consideration. Non Hokies may not want to work for a short timer.
He's just going to be an RB coach, no the head coach...and plus KJ has the potential to be MONSTER recruiter given his background and the fact he was a 5 star running back back in the day.
What about Cornell Brown and Torrian Gray? I think they've done okay as former players-now coaches...
Coached entry level jobs also.
Take the job, get some experience. Then comeback to VT when the next head coach leaves. He might not leave anyways. You guys are right, he does recruit well for us.
I guess if it's a step up it'd be cool to see him take that job..... but the boxing glove-on-a-stick stays!!
I think it would make a lot of sense for him to move on and take a HC position elsewhere. He has bounced around a bit already in his career not staying more than 3 years anywhere it seems.
Also it opens up a spot in the coaches slot for a new hire. If we are replacing the OC, that means he can bring in more of his own staff to be comfortable with. Shane was fourth on my list of coaches we really should keep behind, Moorehead, Stiney, and Searels.
Please, please little baby Jesus let him get this job!
4FSJ
Openly bacon this comment...
I dont think they can be serious about him...he doesn't have any OC or DC experience. I would think even sun belt schools would want somebody that had been a coordinator before being an HC
Meh, Clemson hired someone who had never been a coordinator before.
I find it amusing that so many people in this forum said lil Beamer wasn't a good RB coach, yet now feel that he deserves an HC job.
In my opinion it would be a good move for him. Faster climb to a P5 program and he is young.
I dont think the sentiment that SB hasnt been a great RB coach for us and the desire to see him take a HC job at another school are as incongruous as you seem to.
I'd say the main reason why people want him to take the job is so its a clean break...now would KJ be a good RB coach? I still feel that Shane needs to move over the Special Teams.
Seems there are a few guys higher up then beams for the job (UK Neal Brown for instance). Troy plans on making decision made nday or Wednesday of next week. Sources are coachingsearch.com and footballscoop.com
This would be a good move for Shane, I think. Not sure if he has the makeup for a head coach, but who knows. Maybe he'll end up like a Dabo type.
AS some of the posters above point out, as far as coaching losses go. I think with Kevin Jones already on staff, we might be able to talk him into a RB coaching spot. With his experience, that might work out very well. He's got enough charisma and has the experience to grab attention.
Can he teach it?
But if we leave Kevin where he is he can help without actually being a coach.
Shane is weak RB coach. I would miss his recruiting but wish him well if he gets the job.
I think Sean has done ok with Rbs.
No fumbles last year. Tre Edmunds was a Line Backer that's turned out pretty good.
Our Lbs this year have been fine until they dropped like flies and hif 4th string guy got 200 yards in the past 2 games with a crappy o line.
Do you have evidence for him being a weak RB coach or is that just an emotional thing?
I have questions about Shane but this Sean guy sure sounds like he'd be a solid pick up!
His inability to pick a top 2 and stick with it as well as his lack of production from his backs. And yes, I realize our offensive line is greatly holding back the running game.
Your emotional take is that he is "ok."
We are 96th in the country in rushing. 3.2 ypc last year, 3.7 this year. That's about a yard less per carry than good VT rushing offenses. 4.9 in 2010.
The rotations, the eyeball test, the pass protection, the stats .......all say the same thing. Our RB play has declined precipitously under Shane.
My eyeball tells me that he's done a good job coaching to teach a guy how to be an RB with my evidence being Edmunds and the 2 new RBs we have this year, they were improving up until injuries. Coleman is much improved as well.
The oline is not very good and that's a huge difference in the ypc.
When your RB is hit in the backfield, you won't be getting that 4.9 ypc.
Pass protection could be better, maybe if 1 RB isn't trying to block 2 blitzers. Pass blocking RBs have been inconsistent, like the rest of the team.
Rotations I can see but, who really controls that? Is it a package thing controlled by Loeffler or it Shane? My biggest complaint about RBs, don't seem to let them get a rhythm.
So, while I'll agree production is down, I don't see it as on the RBs. Not emotional, logical.
Your eyeballs say he has been "ok"
That's correct and I was making the case that he was better than weak.
Case made and agreed I see.
Disclaimer: This is what I heard around the Thanksgiving table, I have not proof or no way of knowing.
When Shane was with the cocks in SC he was demoted because of his smug attitude and was hurting recruiting more than helping. When hired at VT, this attitude continued and that is why we are having recruiting issues in recent years.
Not trying to stir any pot, just wondered if any of you have heard the same.
I've never heard that ever.
Demoted from what to what?
Nope, never heard anything remotely close to this.
What we've heard is that the kids love him and he adds lots of family.
I am not sure I like this. I mean, good for Shane, if he gets the offer there is absolutely no reason in the world why he shouldn't take it. Its a great opportunity and I wish him well should he leave for the job.
That being said, if he goes there and has any kind of success whatsoever, is there any doubt in the world there becomes enormous pressure (by Frank?) on Whit to name Shane the next head coach when Frank retires? I want us to have a legitimate national coaching search where we locate the absolute best candidate for the job and offer the position to him. The last thing I want is nepotism to rule the day, and I'm not sure it'll be possible to have a legitimate in depth coaching search if some of the key pieces in the process are putting the pressure on to hire the son of the departing legend of a head coach....
If Weaver were our head coach, this may be a fear of mine, but not with Whit. I doubt Whit would give into pressure from a former coach. I could see Whit "considering" lil beams to be polite, but nothing more, unless he was truly qualified. And if we're years down the road and Shane has led a mid-major to a big season, then why not give him consideration?
I guess I'm an optimist. I look at it as a great chance for Shane to go and learn and prove he's right to be selected for HC at VT.
Yes, let him learn on someone else's dime and pick him up if he has success.
How about this scenario:
Shane takes Troy HC job and takes Loeffler with him. Dabo takes a chance on Moorehead as OC. Searles stays in Blacksburg and Whit manages to haul in Lincoln Riley as OC/QB coach. Riley puts his own people in place as RB and WR coaches.
That wouldn't be too pretty bad.
I like what Lincoln Riley brings to the table.
If Shane takes a job elsewhere, it removes a pretty big obstacle to getting a decent OC should the administration choose to remove Loeffler. I am not advocating firing Loeffler, but a new OC would want to bring in his own guys, not be handcuffed to the legendary coach's son.
Is Billy Hite available?
According to several sources, Neal Brown got the job with Troy.