Georgia Tech head coach Paul Johnson speaks with B.J. Bostic during a timeout. [Mark Umansky]
| Game | Kickoff Time (EST) | Network |
|---|---|---|
| CUSACG: Louisiana Tech at Marshall | Noon | ESPN2 |
| Iowa State at TCU | Noon | ABC |
| Oklahoma State at Oklahoma | 3:30 PM | FS1 |
| SECCG: Alabama vs. Missouri | 4:00 PM | CBS |
| Kansas State at Baylor | 7:45 PM | ESPN |
| ACCCG: Florida State vs. Georgia Tech | 8:00 PM | ABC |
| B1GCG: Ohio State vs. Wisconsin | 8:15 PM | FOX |
| MWCCG: Fresno State at Boise State | 10:00 PM | CBS |
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I love that the b12 is relevant today and it's not OU or UT.
Yep. It's the newest team (one of them) and the historical doormat. Sweet.
Pretty sure I saw that Louisiana Tech had 6 players (5 starters) ruled academically ineligible for the game today. Wow.
I still can't believe an undefeated defending national champion, with a returning Heisman
trophy winning QB, with a multiple national title pedigree, that has the nation's longest winning streak, and that played ND, UF, and OkSt out of conference, is ranked behind a 1 loss TCU...just for starters.
Yeah, it's unfathomable.
Not sure what last year's Heisman results have to do with this year's playoff rankings, or last years national championship result. Florida State is a way different team this season and has looked very shaky at times. Winston shouldn't even be invited to New York next weekend either. UF is barely bowl eligible, and Oklahoma State is playing for it today. Notre Dame was a decent win, yes, but they had to do that in the last second with a controversial decision by officials.
I guess what I'm trying to say is this: Florida State should be in the playoff but they aren't as deserving as Alabama or Oregon. TCU's loss was a last second loss to a very good Baylor team on the road, and Oregon proved last night that a loss to a top 10 isn't indicative of anything after they beat the shit out of Arizona -the team they lost to. TCU looks way better than FSU right now, at least in my eyes.
We need to just go back to the computers lol.
I too don't care about last year's results on this season, but FSU is 12-0, and the only undefeated FBS team. How are they not #1 right now?
As for TCU's last second loss, that came after they had a 21 point lead in the 4th quarter.
I recall. TCU choked that game away. None of the analysts remember that though.
TCU also completely choked in that game in the 4th quarter. And let's not forget hanging them hanging on for dear life against Kansas. Or do close wins only hurt you if you are FSU? It's also. not FSUs fault that a team like Florida (that they play every year) is not that great. OK St. Has been good as of late and same with Norte Dame.
As a fan of Virginia Tech, every Hokie should be a bit concerned about how FSU is being treated by the committee.
If this is the standard that is required, then the Hokies might have to kiss any chance of making the playoff goodbye, because I don't foresee us being a team that is blowing other teams out on a weekly basis, at least not for the time being.
Haha I would LOVE for Virginia Tech to be on the edge of the playoffs right now.
I honestly thing the committee looks at is as which team is better? Do you honestly think Florida State is better than TCU? I don't. And that's my reasoning. The committee obviously thinks TCU's blowout wins and FSU's lack of blow wins weigh more than TCU's one loss. But yes in my opinion TCU is better than FSU.
In my opinion TCUs loss trumps every non loss FSU has.
And that is the reason why this committee is going to need changes already, still way too much subjectivity left.
I agree.. FSU and TCU have almost identical SOS, there's just no reason for TCU to be ahead of them
I know we are supposed to believe everything fsu is everything wron in the world but "C'MON MAN!"
First off, with the exception of a couple guys this is the same team as last year's NATIONAL championship team. I think fsu whether playing good or bad teams will habe the talent. No question. They also have shown the ability to pull out the close ones and overcome adversity repeatedly. That is ussually in my experience what separates great teams from really good ones.
Secondly, they can only beat the teams they play against. They beat em all. They are in an AQ conference. The same, they beat em all. So if u are in an AQ and are the only undefeated team from AQ conferences, it is simple to me: You are the best team until u have lost.
Forget conference affiliations here...I hope FSU loses by 100. My distaste for them > getting a root canal.
So jealous of TCU's offense.
I can understand why people want F$U to lose, but I can't be the only one who wants them to win. It will help the conference reputation dramatically if they get into the CFP and then destroy a SEC, Big 12 or PAC 12 conference team. I don't know anyway this will hurt the Hokies in the Future, will it?
I am picking GT to upset BUT I agree, I would prefer FSU make it in. Better for the ACC.
Now the team I would love to see lose is Alabama. Nothing would please me more than seeing no SEC teams make it to the first playoff. Should be a sure-fire way to get the ball moving towards an 8 team playoff.
I wouldn't look at it so much as, "them winning helps conference reputation". Do you really think FSU getting into the playoff helps national perception of our conference? In looking at what FSU has accomplished over the course of two years, they still sit at #4 in playoff rankings. I would argue that the "perception" is already clear.
VT is in the trenches right now battling for the nations top recruit...against the Seminoles.
I'm personally more concerned for VT's best interest, not that of the ACC.
Fair points about FSU being at 4, and Sweat. New perspective I really didn't look at, but I guess it would help our reputation if they get in, stay at that 3, or 4, and then go and pull a VT-Ohio State against an Oregon or Alabama. I think that will help a lot, but I guess it is a double edged sword that may pull Sweat away. But that won't happen until after he commits if I am correct?
Keep in mind that the ACC's best interests sometimes align with VT's best interests. Bowl money is split within the conference, so FSU getting into the playoff nets more money for VT.
I think national championships help the conference.. and you have to make the playoff for that to happen
In my Six Pick, I picked FSU, but I'm hoping for a GT win. I'm sick of the culture at FSU and I don't care if they win. I'd rather have GT win (because I love All Chaos Conference), and it softens the blow of us losing to them. We could say that we took the eventual ACC Champions down to the wire. That doesn't mean much to anyone, and "moral victories" kind of suck, but it's somewhat favorable when I say it in my head.
I also don't see FSU winning against any of the other top-3 teams, honestly. TCU would feast on the mistakes that FSU is prone to making, so would Oregon. Bama-FSU would be a good matchup, but I think Saban's crew pulls off a narrow one there.
For their first two drives, Bama ran Lefty's offense.
Can't stand GT and despise Paul Johnson. I will be hoping for an FSU win.
Kind of torn cause I hate Jamies Winston and his antics. I also despise P.J. and the "Wreck"! With that being said....I think It would be in the best interest of the conference for FSU to win and make it to the playoffs!
I agree.
I see Mason Rudolph is QBing Okie St. That's the kid who chose OSU over VT after Cornwell and Parks went elsewhere. So Rudolph is Andrew Fords age.
I saw him play live at the Shrine Bowl for high school seniors and he was a man amongst boys. He looked like he had everything you would need in a QB. I wasn't impressed with Parks, who played in the same game-arm not as good, not making decisions as well as Rudolph.
Rudolph is a great get for whichever team lands him.
Same with Elijah Hood at that game, now at UNC.
UCONN is really bad at football.
Two reasons I'm glad VT is not in the SEC: Verne Lundquist and the guy next to him.
they were so bad doing the Sun Bowl
As those who follow Mason (3rd and 31) on twitter may know, I agree with his sentiment that Alabama's offense looks a hell of a lot like what Loeffler is trying to run at tech...
Kiffen's shit?
Right?!!! be nice to see it without the restraints he's been placed under
Chaos theory:
If FSU and Ohio State lose, but Baylor wins, would that bump them up to the #4 spot behind Alabama, Oregon, and TCU?
Wouldn't that be some poop?
Baylor just scored in less than 2 minutes...can we hire their offensive coordinator? Please?
I can't stand Fsu but I effin hate paul johnson and his man boobs. I guess Fsu winning would be better for the acc idk who to pull for
I guess FSU did not consult with Bud!
I love this guy...
I hate Florida state.
Looks like GT didn't consult with Bud!
Looks like fsu didnt consult with Bud.
The more that I watch the games from this week, the more impressed that I am with the way our D performed vs OSU, GT, ECU & unc in back to back to back weeks (yeah, w&m was in there, but you get my point). FSU has far more all acc D selections (Dadi was ROBBED!!!!!/anyone heard Mario Edwards name called during GTs 3 TD druies when the vaunted FSU d hasn't been able to stop gt?) and more recruiting stars on their DL players than VT has had on their entire D.
Individual awards are tough to win when you are on a bad team
Unless your stats are overwhelmingly better, which Dadi & even Kenjamin's. It's a disgrace that Edwards was chosen all ACC, let alone 1st team.
Makes me sick watching Nnadi out there...
I know our OL recruiting woes have been well documented. But, how in Hades does GT recruit such a great OL and we cannot? I know they must place a big emphasis on OL, but still -- blows my mind that GT can have SUCH a better OL than us. Sad.
Bigger Q for me: how does Duke have a better OL?
Good question. Sadly, I guess we could list most ACC teams.
3 different systems in 3 years, losing 4 members of the 2-deep at various times..... It makes a big difference in development.
Cincinnati has won its 5th conference title in 7 years (9+ win seasons) with three different head coaches.
So unusual it's the exception that proves the rule.
This doesn't explain the past decade of weak OLs (or at least since the LSU game where TTs freshman RS was pulled).
Newsome was a terrible OL coach, and now we have had 3 straight years of a revolving door for OL coach. We haven't had a good O-line in a long time. It needs to be rebuilt with a consistent vision by a good coach.
Agreed on all points. I was simply pointing out that this is a longer term issue than "injuries & 3rd ol coach in 3 yrs". We've had some serious swing & misses in talent (both missed good talent & bad assessment/development of the talent that we did get).
Jones looks sensational for the Buckeyes. And GT will win if they can find a way to stop FSU 3-4 times on defense.
Right now, my GT grad son, would take one stop.
Took me a second...
Is it just me or do they start the clock a lot quicker nowadays after first downs?
If the games hold up as they are, right now, I would love to see the B12 get aced out, because they won't name a champion (to paraphrase the old addage about qbs: if you have two cjhamps, then you have no champs). Then the 4 declared champs are in.
Another way to look at it: if the B12 has 2 champs then, each is 1/2 champ. 4 full champs get in over any 1/2 champ.
Yeah.....anyone that lost to us does not get to go. Sorry.
The way OSU is looking tonight, you may be surprised tomorrow.
Neither should a team that blew a 21 pt lead with 11 min left in the game or a team that lost to WVU (who was so bad that they lost to Texas). I guess no one should get the 4th seed.
If Ohio State wins, they should be in!
I'll also say they'd be my pick to win it all.
The way things are right now I half expect FSU to get left out of the playoff. Everyone else won BIG.
even if fsu wins i wouldnt be shocked to see them left out since they got jumped last week.
The media is pimping Ohio State so hard right now. I guess their way of avoiding the TCU-Baylor debate is to have Ohio St jump both of them.
Just terrible, because by every identifiable measurable the Big 12 is clearly the better conference
Yeah I hate to say it but I think they are going to bump OSU in over TCU even though TCU won by 52.
Tcu played one of the worst teams in D1 (FCS included) & won by 50. OSU is beating a very good Wisconsin team by a similar margin.
I dont think you can base the decision on this weekend alone. You have to look at the total resume. It's not TCU's fault that they played Iowa St. the last weekend of the year. Both teams played 9 conference games. TCU played their better teams up front,
If TCU was considered good enough the be ranked ahead of Florida State before this weekend, they didnt do anything to cast doubts today,
I agree that TCU didn't do anything to hurt themselves today, but you need look no further than FSU to see that you can win and still get jumped... if the other teams impress enough to jump TCU then so be it
I would not be surprised to see that, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Big XII's bullshit spineless decision to declare Baylor and TCU co-champions when Baylor beat TCU head to head plays into the decision.
I swear that conference is held together with bubble gum and the dried tears of Longhorn fans.
TCU also didn't play and win a conference championship game.
I hate Paul Johnson's face & his stupid offense #goacc
Johnson just got desperate.
Bud Foster and Co. = GT's Kryptonite! Except for that 4th and 16! We got a lot of team to payback for the last 3 seasons!
Shout out to all the crappy GT fans who were booing the FSU kid who was clearly injured on the previous play. Nice.
ughhh Heather Dinnich is so annoying why is she ESPN College football playoff expert??? No surprises she has OSU in
I guess I'm annoying too, cause I'd have Ohio St. in at #4 also. No doubt about it.
if OSU isn't in at #4 all because of a VT loss i don't think 100,000 people in Lane could hold back any sophomores and jr's from OSU that stay
Alabama appears to have already turned its focus to bouncing back next season. After the Sugar Bowl loss to Oklahoma, these signs were pasted inside the Crimson Tide locker room.
and now they are locked in as #1
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/12/06/giraffes-silently-di...
Thank Christ we're not the only ones who struggle against that junior varsity offense.
Boy did GT's defense crap the bed tonight.
Shout out to Ted Roof. Used one of the lamest defensive game plans I've ever seen, especially for a championship game. Allowed one of the slowest starters of the year at quarterback to ease himself into the game like a warm bath. Bet he has a lot of regrets.
PJ proving once again that his offense can take average athletes and compete with the big boys.
I agree. GT had no answer on D all night. Actually though, this game was far closer than I expected. I give a lot of credit to the GT offense for executing well against a stout defense.
I wouldn't blame the coordinator or anyone really...FSU came out strong tonight and that offensive line is incredible. GT tried to bring pressure but they just couldn't get to him. Great game from both teams I really enjoyed that
So true about the FSU OL. Lord have mercy, they were dominant.
In the second half once they were behind. To start the game out though, they rushed four on almost every down. Winston has shown all year long that you can get to him with pressure early in a game, and then he settles down as the game progresses. Not sure why Ted Roof decided to drop seven back in coverage early and let Winston hit underneath route after underneath route.
Flip side of the coin, FSU seemed to be absolutely overwhelmed by the flexbone. They have a DC in their own conference who has laid the blueprint on how to defend that offense, but apparently the VCRs weren't working in Tallahassee this past week.
The VCR is the problem. As part of the $250 Million facilities upgrade to FSU all the old TVs and VCRs were recently thrown away and all of the DCs review film was on VHS and they couldn't watch.
The problem for Ohio St. is they clearly have the worst loss of the teams vying for the top 4 spots. Go Hokies!
IMO the selection tomorrow might as well look exactly as it did last week, as I saw nothing to change my mind on any of the top 4 teams. If all of them were good enough last week, they are good enough this week.
West Virginia, Baylors loss, is 7-5. Not all that much difference at least from the outside
Why the hell anyone thought a four team playoff based on a committee's decision was a good idea is beyond me.
This is better than the BCS. The BCS would be Chernobyl this season.
There would at least be some reasoning behind it.
No, there'd be a lot of smoke and mirrors to the ten-thousandths place, which is what propped up the BCS for its entire life.
Right, because the the OSU/TCU/Baylor debate is crystal clear!
There's nothing different here. The BCS usually gave us one team we know that deserved with a few others that should be in too. How is this any different other than the two extra teams we know deserve to be in?
You kinda answered your question by acknowledging the two extra teams that get to play for the championship. Four isn't ideal but it's a step up from two.
That IS my point though. We have only added two teams to the fold. We haven't made the decision making process any easier.
Disagree. If the BCS were still in place this year, the difficulty in decision making would be even more difficult. Top two spots are Alabama and Oregon. Do you leave FSU out of the championship game as the undefeated defending champion? Do you leave Oregon out after they just beat the only team they lost to all year by 40 points with the heisman winner? Or do you leave Alabama out? ( I personally think that Alabama has the weakest claim) That's an even tougher decision than the argument about the current top 6
Personally, I'd prefer the playoff system with a BCS selection process ... at least that way there was some transparency
Ha ha. Politics...we didn't want the BCS because of lack of transparency, yet here we have a lack of transparency compared to the "clear" BCS. (I agree, by the way. I just find it funny that all this sounds a lot like "the most transparent administration in history" line coming from the Oval Office. Not trying to start a politics convo on the Football forum, however.)
I don't recall anyone saying the BCS had a lack of transparency. The numbers were published every week and at least had a mathematical formula .... we currently have an opinion poll
I didn't have a problem with it, but the complaint has been the secrecy of some of the computer formulas, and whether or not the pollsters votes were published. Again, I didn't care.
The BCS system would have had
1. Alabama
2. FSU
3. Oregon
4. Ohio State
So I'm not sure how this would solve any problems.
The problem isn't which teams were selected, the problem is the methodology. The whole premise of using a subjective system is flawed because anyone could make a subjective argument for (in this case) any one of the top six teams. If the system were objective, as long as everyone agrees to the same process or ranking algorithm before the season starts, you can't argue about the rankings.
Honestly, both systems have holes. The subjective system we're using now kind of screwed over TCU and Baylor (The B12 kind didn't do themselves any favors by not naming an outright conference champ), but a more objective system put (in my opinion) a completely undeserving Notre Dame team in the MNCG a few years ago.
Wasn't ND 12-0 that year? And the only undefeated team?
Yes, that's exactly my point. Objectively, they absolutely deserved to go, but a lot of people thought, based on subjective observations, they didn't have any business being on the same field as Alabama.
The converse is happening now. The teams are being selected subjectively, and we're arguing against the selections by using objective criteria. There isn't a perfect system. Both methods will occasionally fail to correctly rank the most deserving teams, but at least with objective system, whether you agree with the rankings or not, there is a clear and consistent method for getting there.
^This. Well said.
Disagree to your disagree. Wouldn't the BCS have put FSU in the 1 or 2 spot?
FSU would have been #2 this year. Oregon would be the team that was left out. But you don't think that there wouldn't be bigger controversy about that? A team that has beaten every team on its schedule and has one of the best (statistically speaking) Quarterbacks in college football history is getting left out? A team that has one of the best OOC wins in the country, and plays in the second best conference in college football? And this team also happens to be one of the best offenses in the country. There would have been more outrage about that than Baylor and TCU.
The good news is VT is getting a lot of mentions tonight, just wish it were for better reasons.
If OSU doesn't get into final 4, can you imagine the wrath they will attempt to bring to Lane next Sep? Wow. Should be fun!
yes, the "baaaad loss" to VT in week two. I wonder if it would still be a "baaaad loss" if we were 9-3 with losses to Miami, GT and BC, for example. I still maintain that the VT team from Columbus and the one from Miami or Wake Forest cannot be viewed as the same team. The same way this tOSU team isn't the same team that lost to the Hokies.
Why OSU should not be picked IMHO
Ohio State won the Big Ten which I believe only had three teams win against an out of conference opponent power five.
Iowa beat Pitt
Indiana beat Missouri (not sure how this happened)
Nebraska beat Miami
MSU was blown out by Oregon
Ohio State obviously lost to the hokies
Wisconsin lost to LSU
Illinois was blown out by Washington
Northwestern lost to Cal
Penn State didnt play a power 5 conference opponent
Michigan was rocked by Utah
Maryland lost to West Virginia
Minnesota crushed by TCU
The Big Ten is pretty much a joke...The hokies could probably have competed for a Big Ten title tonight and won since we already beat the actual champ.
Arguing against a team because of the other teams in their league doesn't make too much sense. Back in the day, Florida State was the only team worth mentioning in the ACC and that didn't effect their ability to still beat every team that they played. Bad teams in the B1G don't make Ohio State worse. Also, the win last night over Wisconsin was just crazy. Wisconsin was #5 in total defense and had the #1 rusher in the country, and both were completely dominated.
Right, just like how we are supposed to get to 10 wins and the division title simply because we had one of the easiest schedules in the country this year? We were 6-6 and avoided FSU, Clemson, and Louisville. We don't have any room to talk about easy schedules.
Woah. Who said we were supposed to get 10 wins and the Coastal? I remember a lot of talk about 7-8 being our ceiling, the post-OSU euphoria notwithstanding.
The ESPN acc blogger even wrote a hypothetical scenario where VT would win 10 (losses to OSU & UNC IIRC).
Leave the Big12 out of the top 4 but let TCU and Baylor play each other in a top tier bowl to decide the conference champion.
lol funny....I just cant handle OSU getting in the big ten is so bad
Except that that game was already played. Baylor won and should be declared conference champs. Actually, by the conference's own tiebreaker rules.
But they can have a do-over. Sounds perfect for a conference with no balls.
Bama-LSU...
What a disappointing championship weekend. The ACCCG was the only game that was even close.
ACC power five out of conference victories
GT over UGA
Clemson over USCe
Boston College over USCw
VT over OSU
FSU over OKSU and ND and UF
Duke over Kansas
Louisville over Kentucky and ND
I don't care what anyone says, Ohio State belongs in and I'd be shocked if they don't make it. Any other team could win by 59 with their third string QB in the conference championship game and the media would love them. But since Ohio State is such an unlikeable team, which I agree is quite unlikeable a lot of times (THE THE THE... give me a break) everyone is iffy on them. The B1G sucks, yes but their wins against Mich St. and Wisconsin are enough to get in in my opinion. TCU's best win was Kansas State and Baylor's best was obviously TCU. But as of right now the Scarlet and Gray are playing as well as anybody.
Name the B1G best out of conference win this year?
you said it yourself, that conference was no good this year. So why would OSU be rewarded for beating 2 teams the whole year that accomplished nothing? Not to mention, they literally have the worse loss of any current top 10 team. Which is sadly to us, but the fact remains. "Playing as well as anybody right now" should not take away from the entire season results, or otherwise the fears that the playoffs will render the regular season meaningless mah actually come to fruition
Name the best Big12 ooc win this year?
not a pretty picture either
see below
I'm at a loss as who to pick
I think you are right though losing to a 6-6 team is damning....however here in lies the problem Baylor lost to a 6-6 team as well but beat TCU head to head so who do you pick there?
Ohio State is who you pick there. They lost to a 6-6 team but beat the best two teams in their conference, lost both of their Heisman candidates throughout the season, had the first shutout conference title win the history of CFB, and still managed to find a way to win the B1G, along with 12 games. Pretty impressive resume to me.
Also a point no one is making that Bitter just tweeted: even though the 4 is not ideal, how much of a mess would it be to have to decide no. 1 and 2 for the championship this year? Playoff is definitely the better option, regardless of how it all goes down tomorrow.
Who did Michigan State and Wisconsin beat this year that makes them any good?
To counter myself I am only seeing 3 power 5 OOC victories for the BIG12 as well
Oklahoma over Tennessee
TCU over Minnesota
WVU over Maryland
so essentially the ACC is not even close to the worst conference like the media tries to claim
The ACC had the best OOC record of all the Power 5 conferences against other P5 teams and was the only conference with 3 OOC wins over top ten opponents. (VT vs OSU, FSU vs. ND, GT vs UGA)
The narrative of the ACC being the worst was false, although certainly continued by ESPN
And the playoff committee
Iowa State beat Iowa.
Not trying to be a jerk, but what does that have to do with my overall point here?
You could say the same thing about the SEC as a whole.
For what it's worth, BCS simulations going into Championship weekend had Alabama at 1 and FSU at 2.
So really, the playoff is only going to have 2 pissed off 1-loss teams instead of 4.
Scrap the whole system and form a playoffs of only the All-Conference teams. Conferences share the revenue anyways and there's never any controversy with all-conference voting.
Then we'd complain about player X not making Honorable Mention. At least the depth chart would be fat and Dadi could continue to prove it on the field. (assuming team is comprised of 1st, 2nd, 3rd and/or H.M. squads)
Is anyone else getting sick and tired of Mark May's only exuse to keep out OSU is us? Why does Mark May hate Virginia Tech so much, not just this season hes always been sour on Tech.
From Facebook page "Mark May is a Douche"
Mark May is a Douche
September 5
"Mark May just picked Va Tech for the upset... what a tool."
That being said he is sour on us a lot but I think he is just making the point that Ohio State lost to a bad 6-6 team and doesnt deserve to get in because of it
Yeah, he ain't the only one making that argument haha
He seems to hate Ohio State a whole lot more than he hates us, but everyone hates him so it's all good. And I'm a Redskins fan and I still can't stand the guy
Can you blame him he has to work with Herbstreit* and him alone make a lot of people hate Ohio State he's such a tool.
* To be fair I cant recall ever seeing those two on TV at the same time.
Herbstreit does a pretty decent job in my opinion. Mark May is the ultimate Pitt homer while Herby seems to hardly ever pick the Buckeyes. There are plenty of people to dislike at ESPN, but I've never found Herbstreit to be one of those.
Agree. You know what, though, I think if May weren't matched up with Holtz, I'd like him more.
I think anOSU deserves to be in the Top 4, that said I have a few friends in OSU and they HATE us right now.
I don't get it. We outplayed you and beat you fair and square in your home ground. It's not our fault you messed up. Stop being angry at us for it. A Top 4 team wouldn't have lost to such a poor squad like us, but you did, so please don't cry if you don't get in tomorrow and don't put the blame on us.
i think tOSU bailed the committee out of making a decision regarding the head to head/#onetruechampion mess in the Big12. no one argues that bama and oregon are in, no one argues that a 13-0 defending champ who played Ok St, ND and Florida OOC (can't help they all sucked) should be in, so that leaves one spot.
blind resumes:
12-1 team clobbers top 15 team and shuts down nations top RB while starting their 3rd string QB at a neutral site
11-1 team plays 2 win team at home and embarrasses them
11-1 team plays good team at home and wins, but not very impressively
tOSU has earned a spot IMO
Well if the committee by laws say they need to count week 1 as strongly as week 14 then your logic doesn't apply.
Otherwise why play a regular season at all if it doesn't matter what happens in the beginning? Osu lost to a bad team and they won the worst conference in the nation against a team that had not beaten anybody.
That being said osu are the darlings of the media and will probably get in for economic reasons
Also be fair with the blind resume 11-1 team beats top ten team not simply "good team"
Style points don't matter another bylaw I thought
Maybe the committee (and maybe a few Hokie fans) will remember that VT did not finish the season with the same team that beat tOSU either.
We were a much better team without all the injuries. Bad loss, my butt. I'm already gearing up for next year's game at Lane with everyone back. Bring it.
Upvoted because #Go Hokies(!) but we still lost to ECU and GT at home with basically the same roster as the OSU game. That being said, I liked that one of the analysts on ESPN came out and basically said, "hey, VT may have finished 6-6, but that D is a top 10 D." Tru dat.
Iirc Maddy was hurt but stuck it out.
Whcih games did our RBs start falling out?
Which game did Williams go out?
I thought our discussion was a serious question if Brewer got a mild concussion he was hiding for these 2 games?
I'm not being a jerk, I really can't remember, I've been so upside down at work my head is not on football this past 2 weeks or so.
Even then, there's no excuse for Wake Forest. 0-0 regulation. We've been destroyed by injuries but we are still a bad team this year.
More importance should be placed on this loss (and last years Maryland Loss). Wake avg giving up 26 pts a game
There was no excuse for JMU or Temple either. Just a disaster of a game, where every weakness of or program defined us for four quarters. You can think that game is the yardstick to measure thus year's team, or you can think the same about the OSU game. TBH, I disagree that we're a bad team this year, we're just a horribly inconsistent team that possibly played in the worst game of college football ever.
I have been thinking on this and I don't think I'd say bad team all year.
At the start we were pretty good especially against OSU. A couple we were bad, Miami, Wake.
A couple we were pretty good, Duke, against GT we were good enough to almost beat the #11, UNC.
A couple others we can argue about UVA, W&M. ECU.
On whole, fro what we are used to, we were not good but, we were actually closer to average with a few good ones and a few stinkers.
I think the selections are pretty easy with all the results in.
FSU - 13-0, only undefeated team, UF/ND/OkSt OOC schedule, conference champion
Alabama - 12-1, strongest conference champion
Oregon - 12-1, only team with a loss to avenge it, champion of second strongest conference
tOSU - 12-1, conference champion, most wins of any other team in college football (other than the first three)
Sorry, Big 12, your champion is Baylor but the team best suited to represent your conference is TCU. tOSU has a slightly better, probably negligible, strength of schedule.
Send tOSU and Oregon to the Rose Bowl and Alabama and FSU go to the Sugar. Everybody wins. Don't overthink it.
I still think TCU got robbed. Their only loss was at Baylor that went into OT while OSU lost by 2 scores to us at home.
Also, if they put Ohio State in, they can match them up with Oregon in the Rose Bowl. And we know how finicky the Rose Bowl is about keeping the B1G/Pac-12 matchup.
I still think FSU should be #1, and Alabama (for seeding purposes) should be #4.
OSU, TCU, and Baylor all have a similar SOS depending on which source is used.. those 3 teams seem pretty even to me, no matter who is left out there are gonna be some butthurt fans... but at the end of the day all 3 lost a game so it's kind of like boxing/mma - don't leave it up to the judges
Somewhat OT, somewhat not, when did they redesign the ACC championship trophy? That thing looks awful. Looks like something Bud Light would use in a display in Walmart.
As of last season
Oklahoma City based MTM Recognition hand-crafted the trophy in partnership with Jostens.
HA! I thought it looked like one of the evil guest robots from the original Lost in Space series.
Let's play the speculation game.
Where does everyone think VT would rank if they had 1 loss this year? Let's say to Miami and won the ACCCG.
Would we be in the same position as OSU? Is the perception of the ACC that much better than the Big 10?!
Or how about this...what if we went 12-1 and our only loss was to Ohio St. And let's say they finished up 12-1 with a loss somewhere.
Does VT get in then? I would bet we would not actually.
I truly believe the cards are stacked against teams like the Hokies. Especially if those teams are from "weaker" conferences. If FSU can go undefeated and still be ranked #4, I don't have much hope for us making it with one loss no matter the circumstances.
There is also no way TCU should finish ranked ahead of Baylor...head to head should trump any other criteria when the records are the same.
Yeah those darn head to head match ups really get in the way!
I agree that I think we've proven that without a complete no loss season there is no way ACC gets a playoff bid.
Your scenario implies that we just defeated a 12-0 FSU to take the ACC. Coupled with a win at OSU, I say very little chance we get left out of the playoffs at 12-1.
Only way I see it even really being possible would be if Wake was the loss. Clusterfuck of a game super late in the season while all the other contenders are rolling.
Very true and I do take that into consideration, but based on the seeding of FSU (a team with what 28 wins in a row and last year's national champs), I still have my doubts.
I'm just saying all things being equal with Alabama and Oregon clearly locked into their place.
Who would you choose to fill out the final two spots between OSU, TCU, Baylor and a 12-1 VT team?
The obvious answer is OSU would get a spot, so now you are down to TCU, Baylor and VT.
I'm simply saying that based on the committee's rankings to this point I'd say VT would be on the outside looking in, but again it's all for fun this year. Hopefully next year we run the table and there is no need for speculation...hey a guy can dream can't he!!!
In your scenario, if OSU gets in and we didn't, it's very similar to TCU/Baylor. Throwing the rankings up to this point out the window for a moment, the selection committee would have to look at this and say, yes, VT beat OSU and both teams finished with identical records as conference champions, but we think OSU is one of the four best teams in the country and we think VT isn't. I don't think they do that.
Three committee had has pretty free reign to just put rankings on paper to this point without worrying about implications. Now they have to have the tough discussions.
By this same logic, I don't think TCU gets in. It was easy to rank them higher than Baylor up to this point with the recency effect in polling, but now the committee has to look at the body of work as a whole. To me, what's been going on since last night is a different conversation than what went into producing the CFP polls through the season.
Imagine all of our losses were close wins...ECU 21, VT 24, GT 20, VT 24, Pitt 14, VT 16, BC 30, VT 31, Wake Forest 6, VT 20, but we still have the "horrible" loss to Miami.
Would we be penalized for playing in the ACC in the "weakest" division of a "weak" conference?
Hopefully after the rankings today I'll have a different perspective.
The big 12 is scrambling to add a conference championship after that. The committee just sent a pretty clear message...