Bud tried for the HC job in both 2010 and 2011 . Will this be the year they are on the same page?
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And to elaborate, as has been reported on TSL, Whit's on top of this one and has been for a while. Bud's not going anywhere and will shortly be very well compensated for his excellent work. Right now, they're just going back on forth on the exact number, should be signed and done pretty soon.
This isnt just an opportunity to coach job. Foster applied in back to back years for the pitt job
But the TSL, That was before Pitt's Head coaching job opened up. What was Bud willing to walk away from in 2010 and 2011 that he is not willing to now.
At the time Frank was 6 years left in his contract and right now it's 5. Frank is always vague as to when he will quit. What if 2016 is a 11-2 year. Frank has all right to stay, its in his contract
I'm of the opinion that Whit is going to make Bud one of the highest-paid DCs in the country and use him to lure the next great HC to Blacksburg. Personally, I'll be keeping a very close eye on just how well Morris does at SMU.
Which HC is going to want to come to VT and coach under the shadow of Beamer AND Foster, while Foster is still on staff and supposedly a subordinate?
I've said all along that Bud wouldn't make a lateral move and take another defensive coordinator job. However, I think he still wants the opportunity to become a head coach at a power five school. Pitt would be foolish not to consider him among their candidates. I have no inside info as far as either party is concerned, and he hasn't been offered the job or much less interviewed, but I'm not dismissing this like it's another defensive coordinator opportunity.
I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand either, but Pitt has kicked the tires on Foster twice now and passed on him while making three head coaching hires in recent years. And it's the same AD. I don't know why all of a sudden this would be the time he'd get the job.
Agree, I think Pitt will have candidates higher up on its wish list. "Dismissing this" meant Foster's potential interest in the job. Pitt's a program with a "lunch pail" / blue collar history, in the Power 5 and ACC. That seems like a head coaching opportunity that fits what Foster is about and meets the criteria of where he'd want to be a head coach. But yes of course, Pitt would have to offer the job to him.
Agreed. Also, if I were Bud, I would be a little miffed at being passed over twice. That in itself is enough for me to say "piss off," unless they made it REALLY worthwhile.
3rd time might be the charm.
Also, are they not coming off 3 straight 6-6 seasons with coaches that they chose other than Bud? At this point, why not if you are Pitt.
Bud Fosters home is Blacksburg. He already said his dream job at Tech. Lets hope he still feels the same way .
As Joe said, Bud probably still desires a HC position. His dream job might be VT but he is no fool, he will not pass up an opportunity if he feels he might not be given that chance at VT.
Bud might be interested, or not. He's so limited in what he defines as a head coaching job that he would have interest in, it seems that he just wants to stay at VT and follow Beamer. Also you have to wonder if Pitt would be interested in hiring a DC to be their head coach, based on the overwhelming trend for OC's to make the move far more than DC's these days. Then factor in that Pitt certainly must be tired of being used as a stepping stone for other programs. You know what they'd think if Bud came there, while Beamer is only two years away from retiring here. They'd think Bud would want to jump back to VT as soon as Frank retired.
For all those reasons, I don't see Bud getting consideration, nor that he would be very interested himself. That being said, you would think somebody could take that program and make it strong, an upper level ACC program. Now they are in the mid-pack, along with about ten other schools. Pitt should be a solid Top 25 program, if they did the right things.
Freakouts like yesterday and now this are why I secretly look forward to the offseason. The annual "OMG BUD IS LEEEEEVING US" meltdowns are a ritual every Hokie must endure.
FOSTERWATCH 2014 has been thoroughly excellent thus far.
first year I can remember ppl tracking effin planes
If I remember correctly, we were tracking planes for weeks during our OC search.
dang I missed that
And during our basketball coach search as well
where on earth was i for this, the plane tracking threads were hilarious and kept me from doing any work yesterday
It was funny, everyone thought Shaka would really leave VCU to come to VT.
If we're tracking planes it must be
Can't wait till we have sports reporters tweeting pictures taken with long lenses through Bud's living room window.
Andy Bitter, calling on you, buddy.
Outside his window? Uh oh.
College fans have been doing that for well over a decade now. I can remember it being done back when UVa thought that Tubby Smith was dying to return home to the place he never lived. That was years ago. The fan bases of the top programs do it all the time.
If you'll notice, it was done by the Aggie fan base, anyway.
More specifically, it was done by TxAg.... which they have done so often there are legit internet memes out there mocking them for it.
Naw dog.
From what I've heard, Bud doesnt have a lot left in his tank coaching wise. He's exhausted from the long hours and pressure to perform week-in and week-out. I doubt he takes this position and is even around in 5 years as a coach.
This is new...
Ha...come again?
#SOURCES
While Bud has definitely seemed to age in 'Presidential years'(4X a calendar year) during the last 2-3 seasons, I don't think he is getting anywhere near Empty in his energy fuel tank. He just went from being a mid-50's guy who looked like he was 40 to being a mid-50's guy who looks 50 but could still break you like a clipboard.
...and thats why we need him as Head Coach.
Would Pitt want Bud. Assume that he does a good job and Frank retires in 2 years. Does Pitt really want to take a chance that he would leave in 2 years to get his dream job at Tech.
sounds like par for the course for pitt.
HOW CAN BUD COACH FOR BOTH PITT AND TEXAS A&M AT THE SAME TIME?!?!?
ARE THERE BUD FOSTER CLONES? IF YES, SHOULD I BE TERRIFIED?
A team full of cloned Fullers coached by a staff full of cloned Fosters.
That would be terrifying.
(for everybody else. for us, it would be amazing)
I believe this is the plot of the new Terminator movie
How bad would it suck to have Foster coach AGAINST us every year?
That being said, I think his heart is in Blacksburg and he sticks around.
Often wondered why schools don't have poaching clauses in their contracts when it comes to same conference. Not saying that Bud doesn't deserve to go to Pitt or any HC job. Just for as highly restrictive as we make it for a kid to transfer to other schools you would think someone that cost a shitload of money and could have immediate impact on recruits, and your bottom line, you would have contractual conditions within the same conference.
Anyway, I think they should consider him but I don't see Pitt doing it. If Chryst is gone I think they go after someone with more flash. Like a Chad Morris type offense (not Chad Morris, I know he is going to SMU) or a RichRod type.
Overwhelmingly, if schools go for a Coordinator any more, it tends to be an Offensive Coordinator. It's just the way the game has evolved. Offense sells tickets, gets TV ratings, & excites the fan base.
Unless of course you are ND and get Charlie.
It's a pendulum, though, and the NCAA like the NFL is a copycat league. Someone will hire a DC that makes a big run at a school and we'll see more programs hiring DCs for the head job.
Using the same NFL analogy, I'll disagree. Look at the defense dominated NFL of the 60's/70's/80's. Look how it is now offense dominated. When doing that, also consider the rule changes that enforce that offense mindset. The NCAA is similar, except that it is affected much more by the HS ranks, where offensive football has exploded in the sunshine states.
Potent offensive football is here to stay. That doesn't mean there aren't outliers, but it means that overwhelmingly, the mantra is about more offense. Yes, the pendulum... but the swing won't be all the way back to the old days, it will be a modulation. For every great DC that is getting hired as a Head Coach, you're still going to have exponentially more OC's hired. It's what the overwhelming majority desires.
Yeah, I think it's actually the potency of modern offenses that will draw the pendulum back. Some program somewhere will start to say to itself during a coaching search, hey, we can put up 50 a game. If we could just old the opponent to ten fewer points, we could be national champs.
When everyone is an offensive juggernaut, no one is an offensive juggernaut, is essentially what I'm saying. We'll eventually hit a saturation point where trying to hold your opponents to five fewer points per game will be the smartest strategy because there's nothing left to do to make your O any better.
But I think any sort of movement back toward D has been significantly hampered by the failure of Will Muschamp, who at one point was the hottest head coaching prospect at his level.
And no I don't mean a return to 1970s football. I just mean an increased value on defense. And I do think we'll eventually see the trend for coaching hires to swing back in favor of DCs. And then eventually back to OCs. So on ad infinitum.
Saban was a defensive coordinator I believe.
It's been a long time since his first head coaching job - 24 years. Much has changed in the college football landscape in that time. For reference - that was back when VT still didn't know whether they had made a mistake hiring a young alum from Murray State. He was in danger of being fired.
What would the clause be structured like? A bigger penalty for taking a job at an in-conference program than for leaving the conference?
I suppose it could be a number of things but I think the most likely would be a non-compete clause similar to what Tech (Google, Apple, etc) Company Execs have whereby they are forbidden to work at a direct competitor for X months/years.
I think that exact idea has been floated more than you think. I just think it's a non-starter for most agents during negotiation.
I'm sure it has been floated around but really it's not up to agents. I realize that they act as if it is up to them but if schools wanted to they could blanket enact this across the NCAA. It's pure fiscal policy and nothing more. A business is a business, and all schools share the same risk of it happening.
Those strongarm blanket tactics are really, really hard to enact, because you're expecting entities competing against each other to collaborate on policy for the common good when in practice they are trying to find a competitive advantage against one another. The lure of saying hey, we'll waive the non-compete clause if you sign with us is significant incentive them not to be used in general.
It's the Prisoner's Dilemma. On paper they COULD enact this policy, but the free market prevents them from doing so.
no, just the opposite in fact.
if what you say were true and the Prisoner Dilemma was apt then it would apply to all industries of business, but it doesn't. Because Mutual Destruction is more readily considered as a viable means of protection, and this is precisely why these types of clauses are found in other industries.
I wasn't in the meetings so it could be that Microsoft, Google, Apple, etc had a meeting together and decided these clauses would be enacted by all parties but I doubt it. I think that all of them see the direct loss of an executive being poached by a direct competitor and enabled a protective measure against it, one which caused other to do so.
So yes, I concede that it's unlikely that all schools would blanket enact it yet schools come together to form unified policy a lot more than most industries so i think it is more likely. I still think that it could easily be done. For example, schools in a conference could do it. Anyway, I get your point but I think it's more easily accomplished than you think it is.
Remember the Prisoner's Dilemma isn't an absolute obstacle, it just requires mutual trust among competitors. The incentive is still not to adopt the clause for fear that you place yourself at a disadvantage, but when you reach a shared understanding that having the clause is better for all than not having the clause, then you wind up in the best possible quadrant of the Prisoner's Dilemma. You just have to risk winding up in the worst possible quadrant to get there. So I'll stand by my assertion that the PD is appropriate.
To be fair, I think you think I'm saying it's harder to implement than I intend to say it is, and vice versa.
I will say, I think it'd have to be all or nothing. If one conference got together to adopt the policy, then that conference as a whole is at a disadvantage to the other P5 conferences.
yeah, OK, I can agree with that. Though I would argue that these types of clauses are not enacted out of trust among competitors in the industries you find them now, and it would probably only be an issue of trust with an industry like schools. But sure, I understand your reasoning.
I agree it would need to be all or nothing as well, which is what I said upfront. And if you see the demands the Power 5 conferences are putting on the NCAA you can reasonably assume that if they wanted to do so they could. (Not saying you are disagreeing with that)
Legs down the board for the discussion, sir.
Also a tangent. These non-compete clauses...how are they structured? Isn't it just a heavy financial penalty if you go to a competitor, or do they actually take away a person's legal right to accept a job with a competing company? I suppose I just always thought it was the that of crippling litigation that fueled them.
Same, great tangent
most states have laws for it, so depending on the state you as the employee violating it would get sued for loss of profits and whatever other financial loss they come up with, and in more aggressive states the court could also find the new employer guilty if they were pushing that employee into employment prior to the term ending.
ironically, thought IT companies are famous for these tactics they also were caught in organized wage fixing and non-competitive action for their lower employees as well. If you're really into it as much as I am, and it seems you are, you can read more about it here: http://pando.com/2014/03/22/revealed-apple-and-googles-wage-fixing-carte...
I guess Google's policy of "Do No Evil" continues to be smoke and mirrors
I'd love to see that, Rich Rod at Pitt would make the WVU people insane with rage (er, more so)....but it really be bad for us, for obvious reasons.
Actually, I'd love to see what Foster's nickel D could do against Rich Rod. Obviously the 4-4 got exploited but the defense is significantly different now.
More importantly, does anyone know if any Pitt commits will want to go a bit further south now that their coach left?
Wait is it official?
Top headline on ESPN, so I guess they feel good about their source.
well espn is the shining beacon of journalism. /sarcastica.
WOW that moved fast!
http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/pitt-panthers-head-coach...
Jordan Whitehead????
http://247sports.com/Player/Jordan-Whitehead-20528
Yeah, that's the first one that came to mind. Alex Paulina is an OL we recruited as well.
Darrin Hall is a 4* RB from Youngstown OH, maybe a Chris Durkin connection? (different high school)
Quadree Henderson is a small WR from Delaware, maybe some interest there.
Yeah, let's poach some of those guys. They seem to get good running backs pretty often... If anything this season showed you can never have too many of those
Just like the other times, it's a possibility. Not much use dwelling on it at this point though.
I do think some things have changed since the last two coaching searches as Pitt will be hiring their 5th coach in 4 years and might want a coach who offers some longer-term stability. If Bud Foster had success at Pitt, it seems likely that would essentially serve as job training for him to be the leading candidate for head coach at VT if Beamer retires in the next couple years, as many speculate. If Bud doesn't have success at Pitt, well, that isn't good news for them either. While it could be a great hire for the time being, hiring Bud is almost a lose-lose for Pitt in many ways in the long run.
This is what Bud would be walking into. . . Not exactly an ideal situation to inherit.
Would they gasp bring back the master of all mustaches? Wannstedt?
Wannstedt is dying to come back. His mustache is holding out for a contract to be the offical stache for "Just for Men".
Bud, please don't go:
Looks like Greg Schiano will be the next Pitt coach according to coachingsearch.com.
Crisis averted.
Schiano could turn Pitt into something. My gut reaction is that's a great fit, which spells trouble for us.
At least Beamer and Foster have coached against him. I guess. Not many ACC head coaches who have seen a Schiano-coached team.
I actually think Chryst was in the same mold as a good fit with the potential to greatly improve Pitt. At the end of the day, I don't think Schiano is a significant upgrade from that perspective. Then again, I might be ignoring just how bad Rutgers was prior to his stint there due to the dumpster fire he left in Tampa Bay.
I never judge a college coach by his stint in the pros. Completely different culture, mindset, structure etc. A college coach requires a different skill set to succeed than an NFL coach requires (not in absolute terms, of course, but in terms of priorities and focus).
Posting some more #sources for you guys, but my dad's boss who meets with Whit all the time (platinum or diamond HC member I believe?) said that the goal is to give Foster "SEC money" in order to try and get him to stay here for Frank's last hurrah. Not really sure what "SEC money" is but if it'll keep him here, I'll take it.
Again, #sources
Well Muschamp just got $1.6 million so that's some SEC money for you.
"SEC Money" are those old, crumpled up worn out bills that smell like motor oil. Similar to "Used Car Salesman Money".
Lots of it still spends the same....
Interesting that he said stay for Frank's last hurrah and not hang out to be his successor ...
He's not gonna say that even if being the successor is the plan...
So, as of last night, looks like Wisky is back to Chryst and that Pitt has "opened up communication" with Schiano and Doc Holliday. #sources
I am much more scared of Pitt under Doc Holliday than I am under Schiano.
Pitt is going after Schiano
coachingsearch.com/ticker
I think Bud will hang around and get an opportunity to coach for Tech when Beamer leaves.
^^^THIS!!!