Let's talk playoffs.
-Not a Cowboys fan by a long shot, but Dez Bryant was flat out robbed.
-There's something oddly familiar about Quarless's tricep tattoos...
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Completely agree with the Dez call. He clearly caught the ball - possessed with BOTH hands - took THREE steps and then attempted to score. I found it very interesting that Pereira agreed and said he didn't make a football move. If I was a Dallas fan, I'd be SUPER pissed off.
Am a Dallas fan. Did break my remote. When a football move is not considered catching the ball and traveling five yards with it then I don't know what football is anymore. The plus side is, I get to cancel my cable for eight more months.
After possessing with his hands he took two stumbling steps on the way to the ground where the ball clearly popped out. The process has to be completed all the way through. Don't see any way ref could have upheld it as a completion.
"After possessing with his hands he took two stumbling steps" is all ya need. It wasn't a diving catch. The difference between 5 yards and 50 yards is negligible - once he established possession and moved the ball, it's a catch. After possession, ground can't cause a fumble.
At least, that's how I interpret the rule. It was close and could have gone either way, agree, and unfortunately my tinted lenses were considered the wrong way to view it today.
But.. after 20 years of mediocrity.. it was a good year. I'll take it over 8-8.
Regardless of whether he extended or not he was going to fall to the ground. As such, he MUST maintain possession through that fall in order for it to be a catch. Now, if he hadn't stretched out he probably could have maintained possession, but that's simply something I'm sure Dez wished he hadn't done. Stretching out doesn't count as a football move, nor does stumbling. If he had caught it, ran forward two steps, and then fallen, you'd be right.
Piera said stretching out is a football move. He just didn't think dez was convincing enough in the motion.
Pereira is a paid TV analyst. The VP of officiating said it was the correct call. I'd rather listen to this guy.
Pereria agreed with the call. I was just addressing you point:
"Regardless of whether he extended or not he was going to fall to the ground". If they did deem him to be extending the ball, then that would be considered a "football move" which would have resulted in a completed catch.
I don't think Blandino is even considering the football move aspect in his tweet.
This is exactly how I understand the rule. It's the same reasoning that had this Calvin Johnson TD catch ruled incomplete.
Then the rule should be changed. Dez Bryanty caught that football with one hand, clamped with two hands, then extended for the TD with one hand. Bad call? Bad rule? Either way, Dallas should have had the ball on the 1 yard line after that play.
my take is that it's a bad rule but it was a good call given what the rule states.
I don't have any sympathy for the 'boys. They played a good game but in the end it wasn't enough. Blame it on Bryant being greedy if you want to...had he not extended to try and get that TD he might have held on to the ball and we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.
you could argue that they shouldn't even be in the game anyway because of a questionable call that went against the Lions last week
I also want to add that this is not the first time I've seen a catch get overturned...
The game must be played by the rules as written.
For some reason I hope Seattle destroys GB and Kam gives Rodgers a warm welcoming. Dallas got screwed.
No worse than the lions. Chalk it up to cosmic balance.
1. That was certainly a questionable call, but as a Packers fan, I'm glad to finally be on the right end of one. GO PACK GO!
2. After some research, I have discovered that "Andrew Quarless" was a truck driver from Spokane, Washington who passed away in 1996. No such person has ever been drafted by the Packers organization.
Karma for last week's PI reversal against Detroit.
This call was WAY more momentous than that call.
Meh, it was just a game to see which team will lose to Kam Chancellor next week.
If the Ravens don't draft secondary I may go to Baltimore and attempt to sneak in and win a roster spot as a corner.
How come our guy Boykin isn't seeing the field!?!?
Because Adams just did Adams things all day every day. I love boykin but man devante Adams is a BEAST
He really is a beast. I'm thinking about next year's FF draft already.
GO PATS!!! What a game yesterday. We winning the superbowl.
Saying the Cowboys got robbed is strong. Just as I was saying to Lions fans last week, a whole game isn't decided by one play. It was a close call. I can see it both ways, but I know the NFL usually leans towards the going to ground rule in situations like that.
McGruber: Boykin only plays special teams. He saw the field so much last year because Cobb was hurt. Cobb's back, plus Adams is good.
even if dallas scores after Dez's "catch", i still see Rodgers going down the field and leading the Packers to victory
Yes, I agree, they were moving the ball pretty well. I just don't see this passing the "incontrovertible visual evidence" test if this were a college game (unless it's against Michigan).
--it is aggravating that they can make this sort of call on replay. In this and the Calvin Johnson vid above, there's a ref looking right at the play and signals either completion or TD. That should be harder to over turn. I know, rules are rules.
So what if both players had simply let go of the ball before it touched the ground? Would those have been completions?
No? The rule is that since he's going to the ground as a result of making the catch, he must maintain that throughout his fall to the ground.
So if he drops it, that just makes it that much easier to make the right call.
I'm accepting the calls. I'm just saying what if CJ had flipped the ball to the back judge instead of touching the ground with it?
If he flips it to the official before completing the process of the catch it's an incompletion.
But the only reason he's ruled to not have completed said process is because the ball touched the ground and moved.
I'm just trying to illustrate the absurdity of the rule, I suppose. If this was a lateral or a pitch, and ruled "down", but all the same steps/moves were made, would it be overturned to a fumble?
I don't know, I don't really like the "ground can't cause a fumble" rule. You want to keep possession, you hold onto the ball. period.
You must be in posession of the ball AND your control of your body onthe ground.
You must catch the ball and either step and have control of your feet and control the ball.
He did not control the ball upon contact with the ground and in doing so the ground knocked the ball loose because the ball contacted the ground.
It's not that the ball moved, it's that he did not control the ball when the ball contacted the ground due to that contact.
It was an incomplete pass as a result.
I am of the opinion that had he not tried to reach, with the ball. he would have not contacted the ground with the ball and thus had the ball just short of the goal line. However, that opinion is neither here nor there.
When he went to the ground, as part of the catch, the ball contacted the ground and he obviously lost control.
Incomplete pass.
Its not so much that the ball hit the ground, its that the player went to the ground. If he had fallen on his back and the ball popped out and hit the ground, it would have been the same rule. The ball coming out of his hands restarts the process of the catch but the ball hitting the ground ends pass play. When they occur together, incomplete pass.
Not a fan of either team, but after seeing the reactions and overly chesty bragging by Dallas fans over what happened last week, I am very much enjoying the whining going on right now.
Karma is a mother...
Anybody watching Luck absolutely shred Denver's secondary? And talk about Deymarius(sp)...damn(not the good kind).
So uh, Andrew Luck is pretty good.
In my opinion Calvin Johnsons catch was far more controversial than this one. Calvin clearly catches the ball, never bobbles it, nothing. Dez allows the ball to hit the ground once he falls. Not that close of a comparison to me
Wow, Peyton has got to be one of the most jinxed QBs ever. Seriously, we know Brady p*wns him. What's his record vs the Colts since he left them?
I'm a Redskins fan but I do think Dallas got robbed.
Dez caught the ball while being challenged by a defender, controlling the ball and landing two feet in bounds.
Rule says if you're going to the ground you have to have control all the way through. Looks like the final word, no? I disagree!
After Bryant caught the ball, controlled it, and landed two feet in bounds, he saw the goal line and lunged towards it, reaching out the ball to try to stretch it into the end zone. He didn't reach, ball hits ground, ball knocked loose.
I think his lunging towards the goal line should qualify as a football move if it doesn't already. Since I think it does, when the ball hit the ground and pops loose it is a fumble, which he recovers immediately in the end zone.
Having said that, the Cowboys can go to hell.
Think of a different situation: if a receiver would catch the ball on the sideline tap 2 feet in bounds and reach out for the line to gain as going to the ground, if the ball pops out it is an incomplete pass. The player overcomplicating the catch with his arms doesn't change the rule that the receiver has to possess all the way through. If you want to argue for how the rule should be written, I would support you.
The Colts defense really came out and negated the Broncos' offense in a surprising fashion. Andrew Luck did a really nice job to get us into the lead in that game. Go Colts!
Andy Bitter, your wit knows no bounds, sir.
So lets see here...
In the AFC, there's 2 teams quarterbacked by guys who were coached by guys on our staff and in the NFC, the standout player of the Divisional Round came into Tech as a 2* QB prospect before our coaches taught him the defensive side of the game.
Yeah, I can't imagine how we could use any of this to our advantage recruiting-wise....
This hurts me, because I like Peyton, but...
Got no sympathy for Dallas after the game last week. And it has nothing to do with the fact I'm an Eagles fan. Nope.