I'm wondering if we have anyone already in the works. I'd like to see someone with ties to D-1 football in terms of coaching experience even if it is a Grad assistant. I definitely don't want to go the route of D-1 AA coaching just because they are on the cheap. David Terrell exhausted his 2 years as a GA and was assisting Moorehead so perhaps thats an option. But just the drive that Moorehead had and NFL experience is hard to beat. Hope we get a good one.
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I hope so too. We need someone who can keep the connection between the 2016 recruits strong. Preferably, the new WRs coach will be able to recruit the DMV area well. I don't like Penn St. roaming around there. Its bad enough that they are now targeting the 757 again.
Agree and sometimes we got baited into recruiting wars with them which led us to forget about other targets. I really don't like them coming into the 757, I'm in the DMV and Moorehead's names was becoming regular even in the newspapers and best of all its not a very long drive. There have been a few staffs that dissolved over the last few months so maybe someone is available. Chris Leak has ties to Loeffler and was the wide receivers coach at Florida so perhaps thats an option
Danny Freaking Coale.
He is open, after all.
perfect reply.
That was my first thought as well, but I think he's still signed with the Steelers.
Yeah, he's on their practice squad. There's no way he gives up on playing in the NFL as long as he is still signed to a team, even if it's the practice squad.
My problem is that he doesn't have any legitimate NFL experience. I want our next receivers coach (like Moorehead) to have authentic NFL experience.
I hate to to be that guy BUT, why would we bring in anyone who hasn't coached a day in their life? Whether it's as a GA or assistant position coach or hell even a high school coaching gig the person needs to have SOME level,of coaching experience.
All you can eat legs. My thought exactly
Time for Whit to work his magic......
Curt Newsome?
*DUCKS FOR DEAR LIFE*
I believe you're thinking of a different Curt Newsome.
Beatty. Coached WR at Wisc and is currently coaching aboard the Titantic (at UVA). Has a lot of connections in the 757. Would be a solid hire IMHO
LOL no.
Please no to Beatty. He was at Salem while I was there then off to L-town and so on and so forth. The guy doesnt even have good connections in 757.
I like the D1 exp, but the first thing I think of when I hear Wisconsin and UVA is run game and 11 straight. Without knowing much about him, he might be the steak, but not much sizzle.
I feel any coach from LOLUVa would be a cancer within our staff.
Cincinnati and ECUs WR both played pretty well against us. Maybe more of the system than the player, but the results were there.
If we're going by system, I want a guy from Oregon, even a GA or offensive assistant (like AMo was). Those WRs can block, run routes, do the scramble drill, and bail out their QB when necessary. Sign me right the heck up.
agree. a big 12(10) coach would be good too, especially Baylor or TCU - explosive offenses and it could help get into TX with recruiting. i think VT could do well recruiting Texas due to similarities in lifestyle - outdoorsy, football is important, etc.
Lou Brown.
Now this is a movement I can get behind.
Joker Phillips or Ronald Curry
I like the Joker Phillips idea. Former head coach, so the experience box is checked and his players seemed to play hard for him. He would have to still have some ties to the areas west of VA that we seem to rarely recruit.
Would it be ironic to see Ronald Curry working inside Michael Vick Hall?
Can Willie Byrn deliver solid coaching?
VT needs a WR coach with Hokies' tie and who's not gonna leave after two years. I'm hoping Antonio Freeman or Andre Davis.
Good names, but do they have any coaching interest or exp?
No experience, freeman doing tv, davis non profit work in mb,sc
Damn. Didn't any of our receivers go into coaching after graduating?
Justin Hamilton (played TB, WR, and FS) is the OLB coach at VMI.
Justin Harper is a WR coach at Lenoir-Rhyne - http://www.lrbears.com/profile.asp?playerID=1620
Any quality young assistant is going to leave at some point, it's how modern college football in P5 works.
^^^This. What Coach Moorehead showed us is that is doesn't take coaches with regional ties to be good recruiters for our program. They can be had from across the country. They can also be plucked from us at will (SEC, see Coach Jeff Grimes also). Hopefully we will find the right fits regarding longevity.
Exactly. Here is the ideal profile:
-a recently retired NFL player, preferably one with championship experience. Someone who is looking into getting into coaching.
-highly organized. Has a reputation for having strong communication skills.
-you don't want a former star. Star NFL guys either have athleticism OR work ethic that is almost impossible for a college player to emulate. Often, this results in the coach not being able to effectively teach technique, because his way of doing business just isn't something that can be replicated. Instead you want a grinder who understands technique, fundamentals, and film study, but who has a reputation for someone who works well with others.
Now, there are plenty of names of former NFL players who you can throw out there. But I have no idea what options are out there. I would assume that Drew Terrell will get a shot to interview. Beyond that, this is a mystery hire for me. But, I don't see a former Hokie out there who is involved in coaching that would be a good fit.
Ronald Curry.
For the last time
Yes.
So Ernest Wilford?
This made me laugh, because I imagined Calvin Johnson or Dez Bryant coaching...
"What do you mean you can't jump up and get that? The ball was only 25 ft in the air! Drop and give me 20."
Randy Moss. We'll pay him straight cash, homie!
Freeman is who I thought of first. Lots of NFL experience, brings a SB ring as well. But can he coach?
Probably nothing, but Isaiah Ford just retweeted a Ron Dugans tweet, who is currently the WR coach at USF.
Dugans is who I was thinking about, starting from his recruitment of Ford when he was at Louisville. 37 years old, 3 years of NFL experience (no Super Bowls since he only played for the Bengals).
He's been coaching since 2005 and a full-time WR coach since 2007, so solid level of experience for such a young guy. I'm sure he's built some solid recruiting ties in the Miami area, and I've read lots of good things from Louisville and USF sites about him coming into his own as a recruiter. Coached DeVante Parker at Louisville, who likely will be a top 20 pick in this year's draft.
Dugans does make $190,000 at USF and would likely want a raise to leave, so it would add a decent sized bit over what Moorehead was making ($175,000 IIRC). His ties to Charlie Strong might get him the vacant WR coach spot at Texas, too.
But then again, he caught two TD's in the Sugar Bowl in 2000 so screw that guy.
Dugans was a candidate at Texas but they just hired Jay Norvell. Dugans would definitely be an interesting candidate if he's looking to get into the P5.
Ah, hadn't seen that they hired Norvell. I think he'd be an attainable guy.
Wait a sec-Dugans was one of the receivers that burned our secondary in the NC!? Screw that guy.
Good catch! I second the screwing of that guy!
Well he DOES have ties to the program...
So we can offer him $191,000, some coupons to Firehouse Pizza, and the opportunity to coach a 7'0" TE/WR?
better call petebuddywilson!
Anybody hearing zohn burdens name? I've heard from a couple diff people he's def in the mix.
I have no idea who he is, but from name alone, I foresee jokes about what a burden it is to ship a Ford to Holland.
i thought it was a clever play on words for John Gruden.
I mentioned him yesterday completely off the top of my head, no rumors associated. For those in the not-know,he is ODU's WR coach and has strong ties to 757.
He's the WR coach for ODU. Young guy that's done well in 757
He's very much in the mix and Chris Coleman over at TSL has said he's heard that name "more than any others so far." Doesn't mean he's for sure the guy, but I wouldn't be shocked if he was. And that'd be very, very good news for us. Forget the 757, the guy can recruit and as far as I've heard the guy can coach. Sounds good to me.
Certainly seems to be the guy. Kind of an underwhelming hire on the surface. People have good things to say though, so I'll hold out hope.
Just curious why you would consider it underwhelming?
I'm guessing it's because he's not that well known outside of the state and the CUSA.
The guy was the #1 rated recruiter in C-USA
Edit: I scroll down two lines and is already been mentioned.
I kinda agree with your thinking here, but did anyone really think AM was such an amazing hire when we got him 2 years ago?
That's where I'm at. Zohn doesn't have the NFL experience but is a more established WR coach and had a hand in designing ODU's passing game. Trading playing experience for coaching experience.
He was also the CUSA "recruiter of the year" this past year.
He's just not a big name hire, no splash. Career coach (no NFL experience) with a very limited recruiting footprint, little in the way of putting guys in the NFL, and he hasn't coached major college football yet. Like I said though, it's only underwhelming on the surface. All of the reports about him over the years have been glowing and it certainly seems that he knows how to coach receivers. At the end of the day, if he can coach well I'll be happy. I'm optimistic but not gaga about it.
He recruits Georgia for ODU, so maybe we can poach a kid or two out of that area if he is indeed the hire.
Again, this is all #sources until someone says something more definitive. Seems to be the leader though.
I feel like there's no such thing as a "splash hire" when it comes to hiring position coaches. Every one of them is an up-and-comer since it's a stepping stone position. Most want to become a coordinator or a HC some day so they are just moving their way up the ladder. You can only hope for experience when it comes to those guys. Moorehead had no coaching experience since he was a GA at Stanford and a little NFL experience. We didn't know he'd be as good as he was, he was just highly recommended to us by Pep if I remember correctly. Position coaches can be really hit or miss.
Based on this quote alone, I'm still wondering how you're underwhelmed. Were you expecting us to pull Chad Morris or Pep Hamilton to be our WR coach? Bit extreme, but still. This guy is all kinds of what I want our next WR coach to be: great recruiter on his level, involved in a pass-heavy attack (4 receivers had at least 30 receptions and 3 TDs last year, not bad), and is a laid back guy who kids find easy to relate to. As has been mentioned before, "splash" hires don't happen at position coaching spots. Typically it'll be a GA or a position coach from a smaller program looking to move up the ladder.
30 yards per catch? or 30 yards? because the later is not that impressive.
He means receptions, not yards.
Whoops, was flipping back and forth between stats and TKP and got some wires crossed. 30 catches apiece.
Read everything that I've written in this thread. I feel as though I've explained my position pretty thoroughly; I think something's getting lost in translation. I would like the hire if it's Burden, but it won't cause anyone from outside the region to go "oooh, aaaah, wow" upon hearing the news.
Guys like Ronald Curry, Tyke Tolbert, Matt Lubick, or even Zach Azzanni would've been "splash hires." That is not to say that they would necessarily be better, but they would certainly create more buzz outside of the program- create a "splash." Again, I am simply explaining the reasons to be cautiously optimistic if Burden is the guy.
Moorehead wasn't "splash" hire and that turned out pretty well, so I'll take it :)
Wr coach at odu.
I would say anyone with experience and connections outside of VA and that is currently at or was recently at a school with a good passing attack. I have no idea of anyone from the NFL. Perhaps a Wes Welker type. I don't know Sorenson's experience at WR but he does have VT ties and coaching experience in the NFL and a Super Bowl ring. Just seeing what sticks I guess. I'd like to see what candidates we have on the board though, as in who is Beamer and Co legitimately looking at.
As I think about it, I am totally on board with you and French that we need someone with ties outside of VA and the 757. The kids in the VA beach area have very little allegiance to the state and seem to follow the nation profile. If we can expand our recruiting area and build this team, then the 757 kids will take notice and we won't have to put so many resources into the area. If we build it, they will come.
That hurts to read, but it's true. I remember back in the early 2000s, about half of Tech's roster was 757 bred.
Dugans sounds legit, gotta wonder if ford didn't run his name by the coaches.
Hell, I was just about all aboard until the 2000 NC thing.
I'll say this, if he knows how to score on a Bud Foster defense, then he's in a small group.
Keep your enemies close, right?
Pass happy teams with a poised quarterback could score on the 4-4 without too much effort..case in point, 2003 Cal.
Tyrod...his contract ended with the Ravens and no Idea if he will be retained. Just a thought....
yeah but what if Tyrod goes to Arizona?
#alltheVTqbs
Darrell Wyatt is another candidate. Worked with Searels at Texas and actually interviewed for the A&M job that Moorehead got.
then we don't want him...Moorhead is better than him
Not necessarily true.
It may be he just did not fit for some reason that does not apply to VT.
Why would we not want him? Let's get real, Moorehead's replacement probably won't be as good as he was but it isn't like Wyatt is a nobody. We weren't going to hire him last year because we had Moorehead, now we don't.
Well, we aren't likely to improve with this coaching change.
Based on my quick research, he seems like a perfect fit at VT and what we need in our next WR coach. Count me in on the Wyatt train.
As offensive coordinator/WR coach at Southern Miss, his team finished 20th nationally in total offense. To hell with WR coach put this man at Off. Coordinator.
Wyatt coaches at SoMiss last year? I thought I read that he was out of coaching last year after Texas let him go.
Not last year, i think it was 2008-2009, 2011-13 - he was at Texas
You just hope he's related to Teller. First names don't work like that....
That meme doesn't work like that...
...Or Does It?
Vince Fuller.
Or Mrs. Fuller. She's 4 for 4 on getting kids to the NFL.
At some point she gets put on the staff right? Can we get her in charge of future player procreation?
#HokieDayCare
We already have that covered
great to see this was brought back out...i need to do more photoshops...
Indeed, this and the Exum Centaur are my favorites.
Ronald Curry
You want someone who has some coaching experience or at least someone that has shown that they are interested in coaching. Ronald Curry, after his NFL career as a WR, was a HS coach in NC for a couple of years and has been an offensive assistant coach with the niners for 2 years under Harbaugh. He would be the slam dunk number 1 hire and he is available. The niners refusing the Bills access to interview him helps out a ton as Bills wanted to interview him for WR coach.
Curry carries a ton of clout in the 757 and in North Carolina. From a coaching standpoint as someone that had to learn the position in the NFL and was drafted low he had to work on the finer points of being a WR a ton. From a recruiting standpoint he was the #1 player in the country and sure he has seen it all with a lot of pitches thrown his way, think he could pick it up. Love that he's a former QB as well.
I don't see a stronger candidate out there.
Agreed, he's a strong candidate but he's also a strong candidate for WR coach in the NFL right now.
agreed, I wonder if there is an opening in the NFL if he will jump on it.
Niners are blocking him from interviewing with other NFL teams. Bills wanted to interview him but niners said no and now Bills have hired a WR coach.
The thing about good candidates for coaching positions is that a lot of people want them.
so then if they're blocking him from NFL teams how would he be able to interview for a college team? I'm confused
NFL teams have to abide by the NFL rules. An NFL team can be sanctioned by the league and found to be tampering with another teams employee.
A college team doesn't have to follow the rules of the NFL, there's nothing the NFL could do the the college team as far as sanctions.
Would be awesome for him to burn UVA once again.
it warms my heart to see this much hate to LolUVA
I like the experience and he seems like a good guy as well, but this part makes him my favorite candidate. My god, they'll wet their khakis and scuff their loafers up there if we hired him. I still can't believe those stupid Hoo fucks were so pissed at him they burned him in effigy his freshman year at UNC.
I met Curry at a football camp many years ago, and was pleasantly surprised by how he carried himself. He seemed like a sincere, cordial and modest guy. I think he would be a great fit at VT.
Since I spent the last two seasons wondering what Vince Vaughn was doing on our sideline, why don't we just get the real one?
The real question becomes what should my screename name be to replace ChoppinWood? I'm open to suggestions.
Are you a music lover?
You could change it to ChopinWood.
Termites & Beavers, CW The Sequel
Just Kidding
How about: Bunyan&Babe
Dork Magician.
You like athletics right?
Need something that reflects that, while not losing the essence of you.
How about... SportinWood?
I believe that AM chopped all of the wood he could while here and his legacy will last for a few more years; therefore, I submit FullyChopped for your consideration.
Andre Davis has a good suggestion:
If he coached like he played against WVU in 2000 he would be a great coach. Three touchdowns in 3rd quarter!
For ProudHokie's amusement:
(thanks for the opportunity)
This is well worth your time.
Note as the #2 ranked Hokies unleash the weapon Andre Davis; he scores running, receiving, and on special teams.
Watch Vick run downfield on the reverse and get a block on the play.
I still have visions of Andre Davis getting loose and Michael Vick easily flicking the ball 50+ yards to get him in stride.
And the piece de resistance is the Block heard round the World by Wayne Ward to spring Davis for the return. I think Ward gets more love for the block than Davis gets for the TD.
Thanks, Shoog! You are the man!
That throw. Goodness.
May have been one of the best throws in college football history.
haven't seen a deep threat like that at VT in a while. Hope we can get back there.
That block by Ward is easily one of my top 5 plays of all time.
I love that the crowd goes crazy when the hit happens, and Andre's run after that was nice and all, but that crowd was going to be that crazy if he'd only run another 2 yards.
"Watch #45 here, 'cause he's about to get knocked into next week."
I am wondering how that dude survived! Dayam!
That blocked happened right in front of me and my buddy an I saw it coming about 3-5 yards before it happened. I was so psyched about it I didn't know Davis was still running at all.
Same here. A few celebratory seconds passed before I realized AD was going to score. One of my favorite games ever.
That block doe!!!! GOOD GOD! Probably a flag now-a-days but still an insane hit
I really don't think that's a flag today at the collegiate level. The block was from the front, Ward led with the shoulder and went for the other guy's sternum instead of his head. The player was not defenseless. That was a textbook block then and today.
In the NFL, Ward looked at an opposing player and thought about blocking him hard, so that's a flag.
haha so true
Chills.
Best part to me, was that Ward got more praise from his teammates than Davis. Shows the heart of this team...blue collar all the way.
I feel very fortunate to have watched the rise of this program. It's been fun and I believe Frank Beamer has one more run in him!
I do not envy the coach that eventually has to fill those shoes!
It is sooo crazy how explosive we were those years. Crazy different from where we are now. Guys were nasty.
being a new generation hokie i had never seen any of this before and let me just say WOW. That block made me jump out of my chair at 3 in the morning and for that I thank you sir
Andre Davis had rockets for feet.
Edit: posted same clip as Shoog above.
Great game though
Now I have the sads. Why does it feel like those athletes were faster, smarter and hard hitting back then vs now?
That fire...it's been smoldering for awhile...but somebody put some new wood on it, based on what I've seen the last couple of games. I think those flames will be raging at some point in the next couple of years.
If VT is able to get back up to that level again, I don't think those proverbial flameswill be the only thing that will be "raging".
I loved hearing Mike Tirico call that game as well, but...
Is it just me or does someone (Corso?) drop a GD bomb at 2:10-2:11? Please tell me I'm not the only person that's hearing that..
Lee Corso slipping up on live TV? You sure? Classic Corso...
NSFW- Language.
But do you hear him in the Andre Davis highlight?
Haha yeah I didn't hear it the first few times but I definitely hear Corso saying "god damn it" now. Leg for pointing it out.
EDIT: Typo.
the advantage of watching this a million times is picking up things like Tirico saying "setting up the punt return and looking for a knockout punch," and then the block happens about a second after that. I also like the at the officer is pretty excited and congratulatory on the sidelines too.
I think I heard someone say "God Dammit" @2:09
The reverse was all blocking. Vick sealed the deal with his block! I probably could've gained at LEAST 2 or 3 yards on that play.
I'm gonna get destroyed for this but I could see Mike Groh possibly being a candidate as well.
I actually think that he would be a good candidate if not for one glaring detail...
Don't know why you'd get destroyed for it, the Groh family has done great things for Virginia Tech! Tech is 11-1 in games coached by Al Groh from 2001-2012.
so what you're saying is...we need to bring al groh onto the field on the sideline in a completely pointless and useless position just so that we have fortune on our side? If so I'm in
maybe we can get him a gig holding the cord for the espn mic guy. That would put him on the opponents side of the field, right? Just like old times. Al doing nothing worthwhile on the sidelines
I'm not sure about away games, but the lil red mic guy is always on the home team's sideline in Lane
He could be responsible for calling the away team's time-outs.
I know, I know, too easy.
How about all-time DC for the other team, much like you would have an all-time QB when playing backyard football.
Former Hokie
Jack of all Trades
Probably played some receiver
Currently coaching in his second straight Super Bowl
Nick Sorenson
I just looked up Sorensen to see what he's up to. Three thoughts:
1. He is in fact in coaching. Assistant Special Team's Coach for the Seahawks. Won a SB ring last year, maybe another this year. As a player, he lost a SB when a member of the Rams (to the Patriots, although I have no memory of that game at all)
2. He's rapidly balding. Which is shocking since our memory of him is his flowing locks.
3. We recruited Nick Sorensen as a QB (yes, I was there when he actually played some QB at VT). But the fact that we recruited Nick Sorensen to play QB for VT is proof that our recruiting has come a long way.
The Rams-Patriots Super Bowl was Brady/Belichick's first title. It was the one Vinatieri won on a ~50 yard FG as time expired.
he was also known as the one and only "mister special teams" here in jacksonville for the jags for a couple seasons! #beamerball at its finest!
I think that title has been taken by someone else......
hes the guy coaching them now so i would say the title still belongs to nick but bam bam is a beast!
did not even realize that.
edit: oops- meant to post this as reply above.
The Rams-Patriots Super Bowl was Brady/Belichick's first title. It was the one Vinatieri won on a ~50 yard FG as time expired.
This is a name I've seen thrown around as well:
Mike Furrey
It seems like he already has supporters:
But on a serious note, his resume looks impressive, especially being up for the Walter Payton Man of the Year award during his time in the NFL.
Yeah, and he led the NFL in receptions not that long ago. And he was HC of a small school.
He's from Ohio, so he theoretically could take over AMo's near-midwest recruiting area.
There's certainly a lot to like. My only question is how good of a recruiter is he? If he's going to take over the DC/NOVA/MD area then he'll need to be pretty good.
Well sort of... Per Wiki..
I'm always amazed by the type of stats that get recorded. Also, he was second overall in receptions that year so still pretty darned good.
And that Marshall offense is pretty dynamic, so he'd have some great insight into the spread, etc. I like it.
Hmmm...
At first we got Moorehead, but then we got Furrey.
Seems logical to me.
I like where this is going.
I feel like you skipped the Fullwood step
probably skipped it on Purpose
As uncomfortable as it may be, we have to keep our staff and our Fullwood separate.
You said "staff".
Still no word on any hiring of WR coach
The name I'm hearing is Zhon Burden.
Is it bad that when I saw this guys name this is what popped into my head.
Don't mess with the Zohn (Zohan)
The only part I see is Emmanuelle Chriqui.
dat @$$ had me like
Is that the same girl who was in so those late night Skinamax movies during my formative years?
No, but she was on a little show called Entourage.
Sloan. What a heartthrob.
Agreed.
AMO 2.0 is that you??/ JK its Zohn.. dude looks the part in his bio and seems like he can recruit! Also like that he was ODU's passing game coordinator so maybe he can implement some things into SL's playbook.
Or maybe he can cut down on SL's playbook and substitution patterns.
Baylor runs five plays. Virginia Tech runs 248,563 plays.
But the opposing team can't figure out what we're doing if we don't know ourselves!
I'm not 100% sure that's true. I think it's more of an issue of Scot using a lot more package plays and calling on his QB to make reads, using a lot of presnap motion to try to find mismatches. I think it's an entirely different offensive mindset than we've ever had in Blacksburg, and I think it's taking a whole for everyone to learn the new math, as it were. If it were an issue of having too many plays, Scot could just rip out the back half of the playbook and use the K.I.S.S. mentality. I think we're just seeing a bit of culture shock from adapting to a more complex scheme, rather than an overwhelming number of plays.
agreed. We run a lot more plays than that.
Leg for making me LOL
And therein lies the problem. A great college offensive scheme is one that can be installed in such a way that it can be executed with high efficiency within a handful of practices. That then allows the bulk of your practice time to work on further increasing consistency and adding wrinkles. If a scheme requires an inordinate amount of time to learn to operate at a basic level, it is an inherently flawed approach given NCAA practice limits and the simple matter of player turnover in college football.
And if you doubt what I'm saying, go back and look at how much Auburn's offensive numbers improved from 2012 (Loeffler's season as OC) to 2013 (Malzahn's 1st year), with basically the same roster. The only major addition was Marshall, who transferred in to take over as QB. Marshall was able to come in and immediately lead one of the top offenses in the country in 2013 (running a spread offense which places a huge onus on the QB to make split-second reads), and did so despite the fact he had only played QB for one season at the college level (prior to Auburn, he was a CB his freshman year at UGA and then played one season as a QB at JUCO).
Unfortunately as much as I dislike Loeffler as a play caller you can't put Auburn entirely on him. They were spread players trying to run a pro style offense. Square peg meet round hole.
I think you have to be careful using any single season to make a judgment on someone. The problem with Loeffler at this point is his 4 seasons as OC have all resulted in pretty terribly ranked offenses, no matter where he was or what kind of players he inherited. It's unfortunate to me because he seems like a nice guy and he is obviously working his butt off. I think he actually has good play design and I think he's a decent (not great, but decent) play caller, which seems to be a generous assessment compared to the general opinion of our fanbase. His biggest problem is the overall scheme he's trying to implement and complexity of packages. I fear a team will never be able to execute it at a high level unless maybe you have a really senior team who has been in the system for a few years. That's not a good recipe for sustained success at the college level though. At a certain point though, it is what it is, and for any of a variety of reasons, some guys just aren't good OCs. I think our fan base has realized in the past with another hard working coach who is a really nice guy.
This just isn't true. While his year at Auburn was a disaster (which you pointed out), that was a real dumpster fire of a situation. While Lefty doesn't get a pass for it, you also have to look at the situation in context. Chizzik was already on the hot seat and made a horrible decision to attempt an immediate switch from a spread offense to a pro style with a young OC in his second year. I think Auburn was too big for Scot, and I don't think there was any shame in that. I'm not sure anyone could have done what they asked him to do.
I've always said Loeffler should be judged more by what he did at Temple rather than Auburn. Look what he did with the players he inherited there:
Granted, his numbers aren't going to set the world on fire, but he had a dramatic and immediate improvement in both yardage and points, which immediately disappeared when he left. You mentioned above that a good scheme is one that can be installed quickly, and he installed his scheme quickly at Temple. It worked there and I think it can work here.
Addazio needs a new OC. Hopefully he remembers how great Loeffler was with him.
Not to absolve all blame, but it's worth mentioning that the QB he inherited at Auburn ended up playing safety...
And the wide receivers he inherited at Tech were all outplayed by freshman...
The most significant pattern I see is that teams with no quarterbacks or playmakers struggle on offense.
something something something Newsome.....
Did anyone else read that in Moriarty's voice:
A QB WHO MOVED TO SAFETY, YOU SAY?
Oh, good. Here we go again.
Solid position coach who was the conferences best recruiter? Yeah I will take it all day every day
I will say that I dislike the notion that hiring position coaches should be all about recruiting. I know that our recruiting disappoints some, but that is not the sole role of a coach. Talent goes a long way but it means nothing if you can't coach them up. I would like whoever gets hired to be a combination of the two, a recruiter and a good coach, not just someone to appease those who worry about recruiting.
That's how you get people complaining about Billy Hite to people complaining about Shane Beamer.
Moorehead was one of, if not our top recruiter. We cannot afford to hire a guy who doesn't pull some HEAVY weight when it comes to recruiting. We have been recruiting at a high level, and if we want to regain the level at which we want to be, we need to continue doing so, and Moorehead was a major reason why things were going well. Recruiting needs to be priority #1. Being a good positions coach has to be priority #2, especially for a team that focuses so much on the run.
Granted, but going by appearances, it looks like we can get both in Zohn.
No one knew beforehand that Moorehead was going to be such a badass at recruiting. Zohn is already actually considered a badass at recruiting. I think if he is the ultimate hire then your worries are covered.
I would be excited about Burden's ability to help VT in the 757. We have improved greatly OOS in recruiting, but we are losing too many in state kids. If this would allow us to move Cornell around and offer Shane some help in 804 or Stiney some help in the Peninsula, all the better.
The expectation with our current staff is that you still spot recruit your position, but getting better in Virginia needs to be an important focus at this point. It's easy to justify our loses in Virginia as better competition, less importance of geography these days with kids always on TV (and facetiming their parents), etc. But if we can get 3-5 more players from the VA top 20, our recruiting would improve greatly.
I will disagree to some extent. I think that the amount of coaching needed for our wide receivers over the past three years is evidence that we need someone who can coach. Receivers have to do those things in any system. The struggles for many of the receivers to simply run routes, catch the football, and block consistently has been a major detriment to our offense every year since Boykin and Coale graduated and arguably before that.
I think that the balance between coaching and recruiting should be equal, with a heavy burden on both. Moorehead was carrying a heavy load here; arguably pulling more than his weight.
wondering just out of curiosity if there are any members of the UAB staff remaining and if any are worth going after.
Has UAB made any splash in the football world that would make you want to go after any of their guys? They have been a bottom feeder program for a very long time.
Yea actually they have some pretty good coaches starting with Special Teams Coordinator:
http://footballscoop.com/news/2014-special-teams-coordinator-year-finali...
Their offense averaged 431.8 yds per game which ranked #42 in the nation. So yea they had some good coaches.
Offensive S&P+ was #74. Not saying that's the end-all-be-all, but there's more to offense than total yards.
We should see an announcement in the next 7 days I would think, based off what FB said about getting someone in before signing day.
I was also surprised not to see Chris Leak's name considering the Lefty relationship with Florida. But potentially he maybe too expensive.
Because of Coach Moorehead's departure, I've changed my screen name (again) to honor one of Virginia Tech's most beloved landmarks, Pritchard Hall.
Sincerely,
The TKP user formerly known as ChoppinWood
...you know Pritchard is co-ed now right?
Haha, it will ALWAYS be the Seven Layers of Players to me, regardless of who inhabits it...fun fact, Playboy stated that more girls lost their virginity in Pritchard Hall than any other dorm in the country #statistics
True Story
I used to be a HRA on campus and one night a month you would be "on call" and deal with anything that comes up across campus. One night I happened to be walking back past Pritchard (then all male), after having dealt with a police incident at another building, and the fire alarm rang. This was at 2 am in the morning. I was there so I decided to pop in and see if everything was alright.
Now fire alarms are fun if you are in my position because sometimes you get to go into rooms and see what the hell is going on. So I tag along with the firemen and the Pritchard on-duty RA to the source of the alarm. It looks to be a false alarm on floor 5 and someone set it off with something. No real fire though. So they radio down to have the siren shut off, and right when the siren turns off I hear some yelling from the bathroom. I walk over to the door to see who was in there and yell at them for not exiting during an alarm. And as I push the door open I hear a few shrieks. Inside are 8 girls in various states of undress. Two in towels fully nude, 4 in bra and panties/boxers and 2 topless. The firemen with me were pissed they didn't leave and yelled at them. I took down their names and told them I would have to send them a JR (judicial review) notice later and told the on-duty RA to make sure they leave the building (never sent anything, just scaring them). As we were leaving the bathroom with the girls still there I heard one of them say "I can't believe this happened during my first time". And then another girls says "get used to it, fire alarms happen a lot during sex here".
classic
I'd like to think that all of the ladies I pleasured heard alarms going off....
(Sorry....it was teed up too nicely)
well played my friend
All of the ladies? You can probably count them on your ring finger. :-)
Interesting that you would mention that particular finger........ ;-)
I lived over the pit, and one evening someone decided their desk was going out the window. Because, reasons I guess. Well that was just the match that lit the flame, because for the next hour we were serenaded by the sounds of everything that could fit out a window crashing down into the pit. VTPD arrested a buddy of mine trying to push one of the Pepsi machines toward the window.
Let your buddy know that he's still a legend.
Was this after about 1983? Remember hearing something about that.
This was actually 1997. At the time we heard that it had happened before, and I think hearing about the earlier incident was what prompted this one
Also happened in the late 80's. Maybe '87?
Soda machines have been dropped/pushed/thrown into the pit many times over the years. I lived there in 1993 and there was still a square stain on the concrete from a previous drop.
Been there, done that....
Fernley, awesome story.
Pritchard was the smelliest, noisiest, least private, most vile places on campus. But, damn I would love to travel back in time and stay there one more night. One of the best years of my life
which is why I'm amazed that any girl would be up for sex there. I mean, was the truck stop bathroom out of order?
Personally, I would prefer the luxurious accommodations of my freshman year dorm room. My room was conveniently located adjacent to the bathroom and happened to be in the greatest hall of all time, Vawter. Not surprisingly, this was easily one of the best 4 years of my life.
I lived in Vawter for four years. It was a fantastic place to live. Was in a triple my freshman year and the triple moved out early, so we had a huge room. Was in the middle of the hall the next three years, facing Newman. We had a great group of guys on the hall.
my freshman year I was in Vawter on the 3rd floor low side. I had the room across from the bathroom that had a bay window overlooking the volley ball court
not a bad spot at all
PPC For Life!
(Pritchard Players Clubs)
Lots of trouble in Blacksburg between me and my friends, can't reveal anything though..those were precious moments and If I give anything away, it could be used against me when I run for elections,
Ok back to the the top so aside from Burden, now I'm reading on TKP that Tony Ball and Ron Duggans, is this a rumor or are we going for them? Are there interviews scheduled?
There were two scheduled after Burden, so it's probably safe to say that if those two haven't interviewed yet, they will soon.