Great article, Andy. I look for that trend to continue, as a once you get past I. Ford and Phillips on the WR depth chart for 2015 you're met with a whole lot of uncertainty. Not to say there isn't talent in the receivers who will be redshirt freshmen this season, it's just unproven, untested talent. While they're getting their game legs underneath them it's a great position to be in to be able to have a 3 TE set that could give the QB five receivers to throw to.
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I won many a National Championship in dynasty mode on NCAA Football for the PlayStation/PS2 running a 3 tight end formation with an "I" backfield. No wide receivers. So I have proven it can be done.
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His actual first name is Temuchin for crying out loud. Although it was the name of his father it is also the name of the greatest conqueror in history, Genghis Kahn. I'll speculate that he's been called "god's gift" all his life.
EDIT: A nice article about Bucky HERE from Washington Post that I hadn't seen. His goal is to be a known quantity.
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Thanks for the link. I'm guessing the "God's Gift" tats came at the time where he was feeling entitled and immature. I'm also glad that Beamer and Co. stuck with him; who knows where he'd be if they didn't.
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After reading some articles about Bucky I arrived at the same conclusion. Sounds like there was a time in his life where he had a bad attitude and was hanging around some unsavory characters. That tattoo was probably a product of that.
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This forum sounds like a bunch of crotchety old men. "This kids today with their tattoos and their loud rap music. Back in my day we didn't draw attention to ourselves, we just went to class, courted a nice co-ed, got married, and we LIKED IT".
I don't care if he gets a Mike Tyson-style face tat with the outline of the state of VIrginia. The guy is a beast.
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agreed! RMFW had lil sweetness on his forearms no one seemed to care that he dawned himself one of the greatest RBs EVER but bucky gets GODS GIFT which hey lets be honest here we all are GODS GIFT in some way and now everyones upset?
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I am 100% on team Bucky and really think he will become Tech's highest NFL draft pick on the offensive side of the ball in quite some time, BUT I cannot help but shake my head every time I see that darn tattoo....
I can feel the down votes coming already! ;)
Since Vick was taken #1 in 2001 we have...
2008 Duane Brown R1 P26
2004 Kevin Jones R1 P30
2012 David Wilson R1 P32
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i dont like to give ESPNs ACC blog or should i say FSU blog the clicks but there is an article on there linking to andys story and it shows how teams that utilize the TE so much (atleast in CFB because it seems to work for the Pats) are way down in offense production and are pretty much .500 football teams. Do you guys feel this is a tale tale stat or that it just so happened that was the case? i love bucky and love that we get the TEs involved but do you think it shows that the offense is not going to be productive if your best threat is the TE?
heres the link if you want to read the whole story ESPN ACC
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I think it's safe to say any one dimensional offense will have its weaknesses. But let's remember that Bucky at TE is not necessarily a one dimensional thing. As one article said, he's too fast for line-backers and too big for DBs. It's not like we're pinning our offensive production on your typical tight end routes with him (short yardage or goal line situations). If your tight end can function as an oversized WR, then you force defenses to commit more resources to covering him because you never know where he'll end up by the time the ball leaves the QB's hands.
That said, we need to field a respectable run game to punish teams that do commit to stopping Bucky.
Also of note, those statistics only look at % of receptions by a tight end. It says nothing of percentage of plays directed at the tight end. So you could still have a balanced offense even if a majority of your pass plays go to one target...even that's not necessarily true of our offense because, if we run multiple tight end looks, the ball could go towards multiple targets at the same position.
TL:DR- ESPN has a bunch of statistics and an entire offseason to try to keep people logging in so don't read too much into their "conclusions"
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Yea I don't love being in company with those other teams listed. The difference I'm hoping is that while Bucky is a tight end, he is much more explosive as a receiver than most. So giving him 30% of our catches isn't going to cost us a lot of yards like someone like Malleck might. Either that or we're going to have to getting a running back like Wisconsin or Arkansas
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i would argue that UM was on the list as well with clive wattford and they had one of the best RBs in the nation! I agree for the most part with what you guys are saying because Bucky is not your prototypical TE and plays actually more in the slot than actually lines up as a TE specially on passing downs but i just think buckys #s this are right on par with where i would like them to be for the rest of his career the increase i would like to see would be from Ford and Phillips who both put up all time VT #s this year anyways but if they can increase at all while bucky stays the same and we can get someone like newsome or someone else to be an effective slot with a high YAK i think we will have a very very very sucessful season. of course if we can run the ball as well.
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I think this is misleading in several ways. As others have correctly pointed out, other teams have done it without issue, especially when coupling it with a good run game. Also, those stats don't put anything into context. Several of those teams happened to have poor or terrible offensive lines (Penn State, Wake, VT, Vandy, Kansas) while many of the more successful teams had adequate to good offensive lines (Miami, Wisconsin). I think that contributed much more to the level of offensive success than anything.
In addition, the numbers that he is using (ypg) is skewed toward teams that use more spread. When you look at the F/+, Minnesota, Miami, Wisconsin, Arkansas, and Stanford all look better than when you just look at the ypg.
Finally, and most importantly, all of these teams except for Vanderbilt had great tight ends this year. Are teams not supposed to throw to who's open?
Seems like coincidence to me. I think more data is required to say anything more definitive.
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Great article, Andy. I look for that trend to continue, as a once you get past I. Ford and Phillips on the WR depth chart for 2015 you're met with a whole lot of uncertainty. Not to say there isn't talent in the receivers who will be redshirt freshmen this season, it's just unproven, untested talent. While they're getting their game legs underneath them it's a great position to be in to be able to have a 3 TE set that could give the QB five receivers to throw to.
I won many a National Championship in dynasty mode on NCAA Football for the PlayStation/PS2 running a 3 tight end formation with an "I" backfield. No wide receivers. So I have proven it can be done.
I do enjoy a Ron Burgundy gif, unfortunately I don't speak Spanish, what is Science?
I'm going to blame that on the person that made this gif and take no responsibility whatsoever for not proofreading it myself.
EDIT: You have me second guessing how Science is spelled. I don't know what to believe anymore.
Well, I could be wrong, but I believe science is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.
I highly doubt TKP cares about an old wooden ship...
maybe that one on Beamer's desk
I believe it is pronounced Say Ance!
so what you're trying to say is that Lefty prefers a tight end over a wide receiver?
When the most talented offensive player on the team is a TE, you'd hope this would be the case. God's Gift.
Can we get a kickstarter going to help him get those tattoos removed?
I must have been writing my reply as you submitted this. If I could only up vote this = infinity
His actual first name is Temuchin for crying out loud. Although it was the name of his father it is also the name of the greatest conqueror in history, Genghis Kahn. I'll speculate that he's been called "god's gift" all his life.
EDIT: A nice article about Bucky HERE from Washington Post that I hadn't seen. His goal is to be a known quantity.
Thanks for the link. I'm guessing the "God's Gift" tats came at the time where he was feeling entitled and immature. I'm also glad that Beamer and Co. stuck with him; who knows where he'd be if they didn't.
After reading some articles about Bucky I arrived at the same conclusion. Sounds like there was a time in his life where he had a bad attitude and was hanging around some unsavory characters. That tattoo was probably a product of that.
This forum sounds like a bunch of crotchety old men. "This kids today with their tattoos and their loud rap music. Back in my day we didn't draw attention to ourselves, we just went to class, courted a nice co-ed, got married, and we LIKED IT".
I don't care if he gets a Mike Tyson-style face tat with the outline of the state of VIrginia. The guy is a beast.
srsly
so much this
agreed! RMFW had lil sweetness on his forearms no one seemed to care that he dawned himself one of the greatest RBs EVER but bucky gets GODS GIFT which hey lets be honest here we all are GODS GIFT in some way and now everyones upset?
I am 100% on team Bucky and really think he will become Tech's highest NFL draft pick on the offensive side of the ball in quite some time, BUT I cannot help but shake my head every time I see that darn tattoo....
I can feel the down votes coming already! ;)
Since Vick was taken #1 in 2001 we have...
2008 Duane Brown R1 P26
2004 Kevin Jones R1 P30
2012 David Wilson R1 P32
We seem to be on a every 4-year pattern recently so I guess Bucky will be a #1 pick in 2016. Enjoy him next season, folks.
Plus Kendall, and maybe we'll start a new pattern.
Kyle Fuller was a first round draft pick. 13th pick if i'm not mistaken
Correct! I was only including offensive players since we all know about #DBU here.
i dont like to give ESPNs ACC blog or should i say FSU blog the clicks but there is an article on there linking to andys story and it shows how teams that utilize the TE so much (atleast in CFB because it seems to work for the Pats) are way down in offense production and are pretty much .500 football teams. Do you guys feel this is a tale tale stat or that it just so happened that was the case? i love bucky and love that we get the TEs involved but do you think it shows that the offense is not going to be productive if your best threat is the TE?
heres the link if you want to read the whole story
ESPN ACC
I think it's safe to say any one dimensional offense will have its weaknesses. But let's remember that Bucky at TE is not necessarily a one dimensional thing. As one article said, he's too fast for line-backers and too big for DBs. It's not like we're pinning our offensive production on your typical tight end routes with him (short yardage or goal line situations). If your tight end can function as an oversized WR, then you force defenses to commit more resources to covering him because you never know where he'll end up by the time the ball leaves the QB's hands.
That said, we need to field a respectable run game to punish teams that do commit to stopping Bucky.
Also of note, those statistics only look at % of receptions by a tight end. It says nothing of percentage of plays directed at the tight end. So you could still have a balanced offense even if a majority of your pass plays go to one target...even that's not necessarily true of our offense because, if we run multiple tight end looks, the ball could go towards multiple targets at the same position.
TL:DR- ESPN has a bunch of statistics and an entire offseason to try to keep people logging in so don't read too much into their "conclusions"
Yea I don't love being in company with those other teams listed. The difference I'm hoping is that while Bucky is a tight end, he is much more explosive as a receiver than most. So giving him 30% of our catches isn't going to cost us a lot of yards like someone like Malleck might. Either that or we're going to have to getting a running back like Wisconsin or Arkansas
i would argue that UM was on the list as well with clive wattford and they had one of the best RBs in the nation! I agree for the most part with what you guys are saying because Bucky is not your prototypical TE and plays actually more in the slot than actually lines up as a TE specially on passing downs but i just think buckys #s this are right on par with where i would like them to be for the rest of his career the increase i would like to see would be from Ford and Phillips who both put up all time VT #s this year anyways but if they can increase at all while bucky stays the same and we can get someone like newsome or someone else to be an effective slot with a high YAK i think we will have a very very very sucessful season. of course if we can run the ball as well.
That is one intense run-on sentence
Counter argument: FSU. And Stanford before all their TEs went to the NFL. If you've got a good one (or three), they can be a heck of a mismatch.
remember Eddie Whitley trying to cover Duane Allen? yeesh.
Eddie Whitley did a cover of the Oak Ridge Boys? I'd like to hear that...
But yeah, pretty much anyone trying to cover Dwayne Allen in college was a mess. He killed us.
I think this is misleading in several ways. As others have correctly pointed out, other teams have done it without issue, especially when coupling it with a good run game. Also, those stats don't put anything into context. Several of those teams happened to have poor or terrible offensive lines (Penn State, Wake, VT, Vandy, Kansas) while many of the more successful teams had adequate to good offensive lines (Miami, Wisconsin). I think that contributed much more to the level of offensive success than anything.
In addition, the numbers that he is using (ypg) is skewed toward teams that use more spread. When you look at the F/+, Minnesota, Miami, Wisconsin, Arkansas, and Stanford all look better than when you just look at the ypg.
Finally, and most importantly, all of these teams except for Vanderbilt had great tight ends this year. Are teams not supposed to throw to who's open?
Seems like coincidence to me. I think more data is required to say anything more definitive.
every single time I see your handle I think "asshokie? really? why would you ever...oh, nevermind"
Maybe he's an...
haha..me too..never wanted to be the one to point it out tho