The Virginia Tech Drumline performed during halftime of the Hokies' 65-63 men's basketball win over Georgia Tech. Those in attendance were not only treated to a win on the court, but a rendition of "Stick It In" by the drumline.
BREAKING: VT DRUMLINE PLAYING STICK IT IN AT HALFTIME— Mark Umansky (@markumansky) February 10, 2015
The @VTDrumline is killing it Oh, and they brought back #StickItIn. #Hokies pic.twitter.com/sIa0nwyV2p— Clark Ruhland (@Hokie20) February 10, 2015
The full video of their performance is below and is courtesy of the Virginia Tech Drumline Facebook and was recroded by Brendan Little.
Once upon a time, "Stick It In" was played regularly in Lane Stadium. Both because Tech scored more points and Lane was less stuffy. It was one of the fun, quirky, traditions that made the game day experience in Lane Stadium special. The chant was banned in 2007.
Last week, Jim Weaver, the director of athletic operations, and David McKee, director of the Marching Virginians, discussed the future of "Stick It In," the usual cheer when Tech's offense is within striking range of the end zone. After complaints from disgruntled fans and alumni, Weaver told McKee that "Stick It In," would be no more.
"Two or three years ago," Weaver explained, "we had 8-12 complaints over such negative content. I thought we had done away with it then, two or three years ago. The band or cheerleaders would no longer do the gyrating, the thrusting of their hips forward during the chanting of the cheer. We (McKee and Weaver) agreed if this surfaced again (the pelvic motions) we would do away with it. We do not reflect this behavior. That's not what Virginia Tech is about."
Jan (Kohler) Davis was one of the 8-12 parties that made a complaint. Her letter to the editor of the Virginia Tech Magazine from 2007 is below.
I was compelled to write upon reading the Message from the President in your Fall 2006 issue. I think that Dr. Steger is right on point when he said that "instances of poor behavior are embarrassing to the university, and they detract not only from the enjoyment of the games but also from all good things about Virginia Tech that make us proud to be Hokies." Yet when I visited Virginia Tech the weekend of the Southern Mississippi game, I was appalled by the new "stick it in" cheer and sexually explicit (i.e., hip-thrusting) movements made by the Marching Virginians, Tech cheerleaders, and Tech dancers. This behavior is offensive and a poor reflection on the Hokies, even more so when broadcast on national television. Would you send your daughter to any other institution that condoned such behavior? How can Virginia Tech be doing so many good things to expand "Hokie Respect" and yet turn a blind eye to something like this?
I don't have a daughter, but I have a Virginia Tech degree, and I smiled when I watched drumline's performance. It made me happy to know that today's undergrads enjoyed something I did 10-plus years ago.
Things I wish for next football season (a non-inclusive list): the trifecta of "Stick It In" playing, Tech scoring and Skipper firing within moments of each other.
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NOBODY TELL JIM
I think some of them smuggled sugar cookies into the game.
If Whit brings back Stick It In he'll win at AD forever (not that he isn't killing it already).
I'm in the other camp. I find it rather lowbrow and embarassing. To me, Tech is better than that. I remember going to an ASME competitiion and seeing the USC team running around in team shirts that bore a robotic rooster with the headline "Building a Better Cock." Regardless of their actual skills or intellect, I thought less of them. I don't want that sort of thing associated with the Hokie Nation.
Not to pick on you, as you are the only dissenting voice at the moment but I am assuming, given your example of the USC shirts, your reasoning is due to the sexual nature of the chant. Can I ask why you think something sexual is embarrassing? It has nothing to do with whether a university is good or not, or if someone is smart or not.
Edit: you had a leg, and now I see you don't so you either got downvoted or it was changed. Here's a leg from me. No downvoting for opinions.
traditionally, things that are funny or popular because of crudeness are associated with those who are less intelligent. Going way back to Shakespeare, he'd put in penis/sex jokes to keep the rabble happy while throwing in wordplay to make the educated theater goers laugh. think Peter Griffin vs Brian Griffin
Actually you're kind of superimposing a Victorian mindset of sex on Elizabethan England. There was much less sexual taboo in Shakespeare's day, so the bawdy humor wouldn't necessarily be considered lowbrow or "for the rabble." Sex was just sex in Bill's day, so he used sexual themes all throughout his plays.
No this is incorrect. Shakespeare was associating crudeness not associating sex to less intelligent. All of the lead characters in Shakespeare are highly sexual and very intelligent. In fact, he represents those that cannot understand sex beyond crudeness as being less intelligent and those that are open to sex as highly intelligent.
I personally never even associated it with anything sexual, ie sticking the football in the endzone or the expression "stick it in" is a football term essentially. I think some folks are going out on a limb to say it is inappropriate at all.
I don't find something sexual embarrassing per se. It has its venue. At our sporting events, particularly those on national television isn't it.
In and of itself may not have anything to do with whether a university is good or not, or if someone is smart or not. However, when it is adopted as part of the culture it does become part of the defining parameters of the people or organization.
I'm prior service. I've made use of inappropriate language, gestures, and limericks in my day. I still laugh at a good joke. The difference is when and where I exercise such things and where I expect to encounter them.
I appreciate you asking.
Having been in the service you may have been experienced to other cultures that are less inhibited sexually on national television and in daily life. Perhaps in Europe, South America, Australia, Japan... anyway the point is that sex in the USA is largely seen as something to be protected from, whether it be for modesty sake, children, religious or cultural. When in fact societies/cultures that are much more open to sex and it's references in daily life are statistically happier, healthier and less depressed with fewer teen pregnancies and rates of sexual disease transmission. Those that are more "protected" having far higher rates of these.
Beyond that as you say it has it's time and place. So I would argue that college age is precisely the time and place for young adults to stretch their personal boundaries in regards to educational and personal limits. There needs to be some time in a young adults life where they are allowed to engage in sophomoric culture and crude humor to grow beyond it. point of fact, they are not having sex on national television simply chanting something with a double entendre. This is something that is so rife even in the USA's culture on national television already. So how does this chant not fit? It boils down to those defining parameters you mentioned of what's moral or not. Yet, most people have a blind spot to how ingrained sex has been in our history believing that sex has only recently been out in the open. Look at magazine ads from the 20 - 70's, hyper sexual. look at shows like Wonder years, a show I watched as a child, had sex and cursing throughout it and a boy's discovery of those things or the dating game or newlywed game from years before. In fact, look at television programs throughout it's existence. Sex has always been present and largely always as a double entendre or an allusion. So by the defining parameters of our own culture doesn't "Stick It In" a double entendre fit exactly within those parameters that you believe should be upheld?
We just fundamentally disagree on this. I see a lot of people that disagree with my prerogative on this board think I'm some sort of prude or moral crusader. I simply find it to be in poor taste.
I realize we disagree but in no way do I find you being prudish or a moral crusader. I just find this topic of discourse interesting if done intelligently. That's why I was asking.
I certainly don't think you must defend your position by any means. You have your opinion and as much right to it as anyone else. But I am sincerely interested why you think it is outside the parameters of our culture if you're up for the debate and where the fundamental difference is. That may be too personal for you to discuss though and I respect that. No worries. I appreciate the responses you've given so far.
have another leg for the discussion
I'm not up for a "debate" on it, but I'm open to a little more discussion.
We don't seem to be on the same page with regards to the parameters of culture bit. You seem to be viewing from a whole as U.S. culture while I'm looking at the microcosm of VT, broadcast sports in particular. I acknowledge there's an intersection there, but for me the micrcocosm comes first in this case.
No, sex isn't a secret and yes due to our national origins we tend to have a conservative view of nudism and sexuality as a society.
I've been around the world and I have been surprised on both spectrums of what I've seen. Holland,....really,...they have museums for that,...w/that displayed in the window???
Spain, Italy,...nicely done.
Japan,......where is everything, I thought you guys were a bit on the wild side?...what do mean a large portion of young people aren't interested in sex at all??
So yeah, it's different. As far as happiness factors go, I couldn't say. The impact of sex on that, no clue. The people in Italy and Spain are happy because they don't do anything. Show up for work sometime before 8, go have a beer and a sandwhich at 9:30 followed by a coffee, lunch from 12-1, start disappearing around 3.
With respect to your comments about college being the perfect place for this and that, would agree with you in so far as the college experience. A college football game however really only belongs to the students in name. Students go and students cheer, but it's the alumni and the general fans that make up the lion's share of ticket sales and viewership and they want to share the experience with their children. So there's a certain expectation of conduct. As far as innuendo and such, it's kind of like the difference between a family bbq and a Thanksgiving dinner. The standards of acceptable conduct are much more relaxed around the grill than they are around the cranberry sauce.
Let's put it in terms of another cultural staple, alcohol. There are drunk people at the games. We all know it. Seen it. We don't want to be around it or have it shown on national TV as a reflection of who we are. I don't mind the friendly buzzed people or glass raised in toast, but there's that line where it starts to not be cute or friendly anymore. I feel the same about this particular topic.
Hopefully this isn't too much of a ramble.
I respect your opinion, I do... But I don't agree with it, and I especially take issue with the following:
That is the kind of mindset that has completely neutered the gameday experience at Virginia Tech. For the most part, everyone in that stadium, especially the ones giving enough money to matter to the Athletic Department, have been in college before, and the vast majority were at Tech. These same people did the same things when they were walking the halls of the campus that the kids nowadays are doing. I'm sure you did them as well. These same people who are complaining about how indecent these acts are and how embarrassing they think they are were some of those same students doing it 20+ years ago. This kind of immaturity is part of being in college. Outside of the whole "get an education" thing, being in college also provides a complete outlet for kids to grow up. 1, they have 4 years to get all of the wild craziness out of their systems so that when they graduate, they're ready to take on a real job and potentially start a family and whatnot. 2, its a place where they learn over time what's really acceptable and what's over the line. There are ways you can act on campus that you cannot act elsewhere, and that's because there's an implicit understanding that these kids are actively learning how to be a functioning part of our society. If you start censoring them and telling them what they can and cannot do, you stunt that growth and you cause these experiences to be learned elsewhere.
And therein lies the problem with bringing kids onto campus. Yes, I understand you want to show them what it was like for you to be a student and show them a place you love, but at the same time, sex and alcohol are parts of the collegiate culture. If you bring them to campus, you're going to inevitably going to stumble upon someone drunk or far too scantily clad for your liking. But... that's college. See, when I saw those students doing the hip thrusts on TV, I didn't think to myself "how embarrassing for our school to embrace sex like that", I thought... "Well, that's college".
And lastly, I find it really hard to say we are doing something wrong when the Naval Academy does the exact same thing.
Wait, so is Stick It In not a VT original or is Navy just paying us homage?
I seem to remember a story that someone familiar with the MVs took the song up to Navy and they started using it as well. The cadences to both were very similar.
UConn has their own version, but its a sped up take on a similar beat...
I couldn't have said it better myself. The students ARE the game day atmosphere. And the alumni once WERE the students cheering there on Saturdays. The previous administration focused way too exclusively on appeasing the big money donors and older alums. Now, I'm not saying these people are unimportant by any means, but young alumns/students/and fans are a big part of it too. A nonstop wave of nooners to please alumns driving from the 757 and NoVa, an increasingly watered-down game day atmosphere and product, thrilling mainstay match ups against the ECUs, Austin Peays, and other FCS schools of the world, and taking away the Thursday night game voluntarily as a way of "thanking" the donors all contributed heavily to the deterioration of the atmosphere at Lane that once was heralded as one of the best in the country. "Stick It In" is not the be-all end-all, but rather a small part of this pattern of stubbornness, absurdity, and out-of-touch nature of the previous leadership. "Hokies Respect" took away our status as a fun and intimidating venue and made us annual winners in the consummate "nice guy" competition. People watching our games on TV want to see a great football atmosphere, not how well we can mind our manners.
I'm all for an atmosphere that is courteous to the fans of the opponent and shows off the hospitable and welcoming nature of our university. But, frankly, we had become nothing but stale. Our university leadership is in great hands now and for the foreseeable future. Our new AD has really invested a great deal in engaging everyone and creating an exciting sports atmosphere at Virginia Tech. After all, we are all in this together.
Side tangent time....
You just touched on one thing that has really bugged me for a while. For too long our Athletic Department crapped on the students for the benefit of the donors. I get it, the donors are the ones who pay the current bills, but at the same time, the students are the ones who will be paying off the checks we're writing right now. They deserve to have a bone thrown at them every once in a while. We need to be doing everything we can to hook these kids on Hokie Sports and to have them absolutely fall in love with everything about it so that when they graduate, they see a need to give back monetarily. Our young alumni giving right now sucks, and I really think it stems from the fact that a lot of them came away feeling like the Athletic Department didn't give a rats ass about anyone other than the big donors when they were students. Student basketball seating used to ring the court, but they were shoved into the one side so donors could have better seats. The one lower section (and it was still only halfway up on the lowest row) on the East Stands was moved from the 40 yard line to the corner so donors could have better seats. The student lottery was implemented and barely amended despite overwhelming criticism from the student body itself and paltry turnout for events like basketball. And then, as you said, the string of early kickoffs to appease the high dollar donors in football.
I think Whit is doing a great job of re-engaging the students in his first year, and its starting to show. I hope the return of Stick it In makes its way to Lane next fall. Throw these students a bone every once in a while and show them that they matter. There's been too much of a disconnect there for too long.
Agreed. As an undergrad, I really had no idea what the Hokie Club was even about or how to get involved. It always seemed like a secretive organization for those with the deep pockets who ran the show. I was further put off when I finally got an opportunity to sit on the West sideline, only to have people who sat down and enjoyed a milkshake the whole game text the Hokies Respect hotline to complain about me "cheering too loudly" and "standing up too often." I really gained a great disdain for Hokies Respect and the Hokie Club at that point, and really had no desire to want to get involved more in the future as a young alum.
I have never felt more energized and excited about the state of VT athletics than now. Instead of complacency and an attitude of "you get whatever we say you get, and you'll like it," we are really reaching out more to young alums and engaging the students. As you say, the students need to be given every reason to have an incredible experience at VT and feel like they want to give back after graduation. These are really great times indeed for VT. I'm now really looking forward to joining the Hokie Club soon and becoming a bigger contributor.
debate is the wrong word. discourse is much better. so here we go...
But isn't it hypocritical of alumni to have their cake and eat it too? I know a lot of alumni from VT, my grandfather graduated there in 39, and they all comes with stories about alcohol, sex and partying. Stories you normally associate with going to college. So when that student then becomes an alumni and expects students of now to behave better or to a higher standard there is something wrong, is there not? Again I am not saying that alumni should be thrilled about Stick It In but I know too may alumni, faculty and staff of VT (male and female) that have done a lot "worse" in public than chant a double entendre at a sports game on television. Also given the intimate knowledge that an alumni has about what college life really is like they should know that going on campus, despite your dollars helping to pay for it, is entering into a microcosm that in fact has sophomoric and sometimes crude behavior. You say a college football game only belongs to students in name, but in fact if students didn't attend the games then there would be no football at all. Virginia Tech the school especially wouldn't be what it is now without the success of it's football team or the students that fervently followed them. (not saying alumni aren't just as important). You just need to look at the desperation of UVA to try and entice students to games to know how important they are, proving they belong more than just in name.
You expect a certain level of conduct because you now bring your family there. However, really it should be the other way around, anyone going to an event on campus should know the environment they are entering into and expect the conduct that comes with it. And again, no matter in the microcosm of VT or in larger society there are just too many instances of sex as part of that culture to say that it's misplaced.
the alcohol example is I think not apropos to this chant though . You are saying we hide that from national television, but we all know it's there. And that's what we should do with this chant. Yet, I say drunk fans should be shown openly. The more open about alcohol and drunk fans we are the more it's likely to change, not the other way around. I think people have the right to drink alcohol and be on national television, so long as they do it responsibly, and if not they are shown the door by the bevy of uniformed police. If it were a chronic problem at games then more notice would be better than hiding it. But it reminds me of the hear of residential life, also an alumni, telling me of the beer vending machines on campus and how public intoxication was less of thing then because the drinking age was lower and it wasn't seen as a goal to achieve. This mirrored what I experienced when going to Grad School in Australia where they had a pub on campus and a lower drinking age. Translation: more openness and being less protectionist led to more responsible behavior.
just wanna throw this out there: not all of us had the same college experience. There are those of us who didn't drink and sleep around (the two topics touched on here). There are those of us that did and wish we could go back and do it all over again the same way. Then there are those of us that did it all and wish we hadn't. So, when addressing alumni who are opposed to things like this, know that some of them might not be speaking out of hypocrisy (because they didn't "have their cake and eat it too") and others are speaking from experiencing hard life lessons that they'd like to spare the next generation from having to learn in the same way.
That's why they're called learning experiences. People learn from experience. They learn from trial and error. They learn where the limits are by once in a while exceeding them and realizing how much of a mistake it was.
I have found in life, more times than not, if you tell someone what they cannot do, 9 times out of 10, that person will not only find a way to do it, but have such a desire to do it, that they go in excess. College shouldn't be about locking things down and telling kids what they cannot do because in your experience you found x or y to be too far, its about them having the same kind of opportunity you did to learn through experience what their limits are on their own. That's half the reason why collegiate campuses are their own self sustaining entities that, for the most part, are separate from the rest of society.
That's great that you yourself found your limits, and maybe you found them before college. But that doesn't mean you can nor should impose your limitations of decency on others, especially in a mini culture that has a purpose of allowing these kids to find those levels on their own through experience.
sorry, I meant that in a general sense not directed at anyone. My point being that there has always been that environment whether you participated or not.
Again, we fundamentally disagree and it's pretty much generational I believe.
I fail to see any hypocrisy in this. I don't believe anyone is saying "don't experiment, don't pull stunts, don't have a good time, don't do what I did." In fact I'm more inclined to say "do what we did." And do it the way we did it.
When I was a yoot we had a saying amongst ourselves, "Do what you can, but don't get caught." That mentality doesn't seem to exist anymore. When we were doing stupid stuff and somebody pulled out a camera, we stopped. Incriminating evidence was put behind our backs & we told them to take the pic & put the camera away. So, are alumni asking you to perform to a higher standard or to at least meet the same?
Sometimes in reading your comment and a couple of others that there's to be an attitude that VT is supposed to be some sort of hedonistic colony that happens to have a library & a few engineering buildings. (Civil doesn't count). Where students are supposed to roam free and discover themselves while getting an education. What about the part where you learn to be a professional? Students should learn to be mullets, "business in front, party in the back," as well as all the self discovery.
That's some I've really noticed over the past 7 or 8 years. Interns come to work and they're dressed nice, but they're really dressed for the club or they have holes in their clothes and Birkenstocks. Nobody has given them direction on standards of conduct.
As far as going into the student environment,..if I show up out of the blue & see something stupid. That's on me. I'm unannounced and stuff happens on campus. But if your expecting company, ie a football game, then yeah you should be on better behavior. It's part of being an adult.
But I'm just an old man in a changing world, and we fundamentally disagree.
I don't understand how you are getting this from anything that is being said. People aren't advocating for Blacksburg to be a brothel. We're saying just allow the kids to have the kind of freedom of expression that you yourselves were allowed back in the day. Just because you personally didn't see it right to push boundaries doesn't mean it wasn't happening. Sex and alcohol have always been a major undertone of our culture throughout time, and the process is very cyclical and it kind of swings from one extreme to the other. Its the society of backlash we have. Over time society has always inched closer and closer to embracing sexuality only to eventually see a line crossed and to have a backlash towards overly modest. Then, the modesty movement goes a little too far, and the younger crowd starts to creep closer towards expressions of sexuality again, and the cycle repeats.
The arguments I hear about how these young kids are doing everything so wrong, as you said during the following:
It reeks of the same kind of complaints the elder generations had in the 1960s towards rock music or the advent of the 2 piece bathing suit. Times were changing but people weren't willing to accept it. And in fact, they dug in their heels and tried to force people in power to arbitrarily hold the changes back by trying to get the music banned or the garments outlawed, citing human decency as the cause. As I said, its a cycle.
My hedonistic colony comment is based what I read as a prevailing attitude that everything is okay and covered by the blanket of self discovery. I was not implying that VT is some sort of red light district.
I didn't say the kids were doing everything wrong. I said they are doing things wrong because they've not been given proper direction. Generally speaking when I provided a bit guidance, ie "dude you look sharp, but you look like you're going to the club." I got a shocked expression and a "really??" When I asked them to look around at the people they were trying to impress for future employment, I generally saw the light come on.
With regards to reeking like the older generations,...they've acquired more of my sympathy over the years.
Sounds to me like you're just coming up on the short end of a generational shift. I get this sometimes myself. I was raised to abhor profanity. I got over it, but I developed the ability, perhaps due to my upbringing, to be a profanity mullet. I curse like a sailor, but only in settings where it isn't inappropriate. When I hear people use profanity in public settings, I cringe a bit. Seems crass to me, and I'm sure these people probably have some problems advancing themselves socially and professionally if they can't determine when not to curse. But then I remember, it's just words. It's exactly as offensive as we as a culture communally agree to find it.
Words are words. Sex is sex. Some cultures and communities get hung up on it, some don't. And within the same community, the reaction to it changes by generation. American culture in general is growing more sexually permissive, thanks in part to the end of the AIDS scare and the rise of porn chic. And that leaves a lot of older Americans shaking their heads.
I think you've hit it on the head there, ILHokie.
Well to be fair the prevalence of cameras in modern youth culture takes away a degree of privacy afforded to previous generations. I can pretty much guarantee most of the examples of shamelessness you're referring to were not depicting consenting parties (speaking from experience as a current Tech student). Also, I personally think a football game and gameday for that matter, fall into the "party" category of your aptly named mullet dichotomy.
yeah, but which part of the mullet is it? Is it the part that shows from the ear to the shoulder in 80's class pictures, or is it hidden part in the back out of sight? :)
well, unless your profile is wrong I don't think this is a generational thing between us. You're only 6 years older than me. Come on man, we're still young... right?
you'll count me at the forefront of those shaking their heads at people recording their own incrimination on camera, but i think that is a separate topic.
I don't think I am advocating for a hedonistic colony and if that's what your getting then I am choosing my words poorly. Rather I am saying that for as much as university is for educational gains it is also about growing up, and part of that growing up is pushing personal boundaries in regards to sex. You use poorly dressed interns as an example, but I think that's a microcosm of a microcosm. All of my friends from VT are all functioning adults with families with respectable jobs, even the ones I never imagined to be so are like that. Yet, they were all doing those stupid things and I guarantee would all be chanting "stick it in" at games. So I don't see it as a you and me generational thing but perhaps a you now versus you then generational thing ("you" in the general sense).
I think where we fundamentally disagree is the ownership you feel when attending games. I disagree that anyone is expecting your company. Students aren't attending games for you, nor are they hosting the games for your pleasure. They are as much a participant and invited guest in the event as you. And since the event is on campus in an environment that can be reasonably expected to also invite said students there should also be the expectation that those students will bring the environment they live in with them, which is what you are expecting to do as well by advocating for something sans double entendre. Yet, you are still the one entering that environment and while I am not saying sexual innuendo should be intertwined with our sports programs, I think a chant that is a double entendre is something that fits within both the university culture and our greater culture.
As comparison, consider how many adult jokes are laced within children's movies. For children they never notice these, but for adults we do. It's the same here unless you make it more.
a few examples:
Aladdin and the King of Thieves (1996)
[During a wedding stampede.]
"I thought the earth wasn't supposed to move until the honeymoon."
The Santa Clause (1996)
Charlie: "You're flying!"
Santa Claus: "It's okay, I lived through the '60s."
Shrek (2001)
[Pans up on huge castle.]
"Do you think maybe he's compensating for something?"
or when Buzz Lightyear sees Jessie as something more in Toy Story 2
"you'll count me at the forefront of those shaking their heads at people recording their own incrimination on camera, but i think that is a separate topic."
Actually I feel this is quit relevant to the topic at hand. The fact that capturing poor behavior and posting it isn"t form of shaming, but in fact a form of celebrity garners inhibition. Which in turn lowers expectations in general conduct.
I'm 7 1/2 years older than you, so I'm old and you're on the way. lol.
And yes we do fundamentally disagree on the games. Yes the students are expecting me. They know everybody is coming to town. And while no they aren't hosting or participating for my benefit or any other visitors, I have to ask; what happened to being good ambassadors of the university?
With regards to sited movie quotes, I think the first two are great. I wouldn't have any issue with something along those lines at the games. Shrek, however, is where the humor starts to slide into a course nature for me.
The Aladdin line still retains a certain innocence. The Santa Clause is a pop culture reference. The Shrek line is derrogatory in nature.
But that's just how I see it.
phucking math... lol. In my defense it's 2 am here.
What I meant about recording things is that I am 100% certain that anyone shown on national television participating in the Stick It In chant is not going to see any negative results. No interviewer is going to say: "Well, there's that video of you chanting Stick It In at Virginia Tech."
Yeah, I think we've found the issue now. so here goes...
There are student volunteers at the game. They are there to assist in any way they can and they do a great job. But in no way does that mean the rest of the tens of thousands of students are there to be an ambassador of the university for you. They are there to enjoy a game, just like you. Invited just like you, and I am certain would attend whether you are there or not. So I am not sure how you can burden any student to expect you to come and cater their behavior to you. For students sporting events are stress relief not something where they mind their P's & Q's.
Whether you agree with the cartoon examples or not, the point is that things like this are strewn throughout things children view with little fanfare, and without corrupting our innocent children. This is no different to those and as I said, it's only a larger thing if you personally make it so.
Yeah, we've found some common ground to disagree upon. I feel that all Hokies are ambassadors of VPI just as I feel that I am an ambassador when I attend away games.
Granted there are things strewn throughout society at large. There's no getting away from that. I'm not gathering pitchforks and torches to run it out of town. I simply find it to be in poor taste and wouldn't miss it if it left.
It's been a good chat. Thanks for the interaction.
same to you friend. Nice talk.
I definitely agree that all Hokies are ambassadors. Just feel that it's unfair to expect students to be on their best behavior at something like a sports event. They should be able to let loose there. That is what sporting events are have historically been for, and it's no different today. larger point, we just disagree on the level of poor taste and how we choose to let it affect us. And neither of us are wrong or right about that. just different.
thanks again. now time for sleep.
I don't demand best behavior, just to remember they represent Tech and to have their idiot radar active.
Alright, this has been excellent and (mostly) civil discourse for all sides involved. But Divert, there are still a couple of things you haven't addressed that I personally feel are gaps on your part.
I still don't feel that this fully answers the question to how the "incrimination camera" is relevant to the topic. Could you please expound further? Just feels like somethings missing.
Again, whom, what and how are students expecting you? Are they your own or a close family member or friend/neighbor's or perhaps even a foreign exchange students that come from a different culture where the chant and motions are considered offensive and blasphemous to said culture? It just raises more questions and a few gaps. That's all.
Finally, you labeled yourself as "in the other camp." If Whit were to fully bring back and institute the "Stick It In" cadence to football games what part of the spectrum of that camp would you place yourself at? You seem to acknowledge that those who object to the cadence are clearly in the minority while those whom support and participate (both students AND alumni btw) are in the majority. Is "Stick It In" something you could live with at games and in time not detract from you or your fam/friends game day experience?
The discourse kinda took some ebbs and flows, so it strayed a bit. With regards to the "incrimination camera" I'm not sure I can offer any more than has already been posted. I feel it illustrates the changes in attitudes towards acceptable behavior and standards of conduct. As I mentioned in a previous section my generation more often than not didn't document our antics whereas later generations did and often posted it.
The students are expecting me in the general sense on game day. They know fans and alumni are coming to the game.
With regards to being in the other camp, as I've stated I simply find it to be in poor taste. It would detract from the game for me, but not to extent that I wouldn't go or that I'd change the channel.
Some of us disagree with your opinion, not your prerogative to have it.
Yes, opinion would have been the correct word to use. I grew up in an area where they were sometimes used interchangeably. I Heard "irregardless" a good bit too.
Okay, good deal. Just wanted to make sure you didn't think we were saying that since we disagree, you shouldn't state your opinion. Opposing viewpoints are welcome here at a greater rate by far than any other college sports related forum I've ever seen.
This tangent reminds me of the apocryphal story about Samuel Johnson, the author of the first really exhaustive dictionary of the English language, as related by the indomitable Christopher Hitchens:
When it was completed and published he was waited upon by various delegations of people to congratulate him, among whom was a delegation of "respectable ladies of London." They said: Dr. Johnson, we are delighted to find that youve not included any indecent or obscene words in your dictionary.
Ladies," said Dr. Johnson in reply, I can congratulate you on being among the first to look them up.
I've observed that statements about finding sexually suggestive content themes offensive has a tendency to say much more about the person taking the offense, not the person performing the action. That said, Divertuff is more than entitled to his/her own opinion even though-- as you may have guessed-- I disagree with it. No downvotes for opinions.
Guys come on! Stop fighting! Don't you see, this is just what the terrorists want!
And they say we're a Technical scool...
Violence against women is no joke.
Comment edited for shortsightedness.
For the record, I was mocking the statement for its absurdity because 1, just don't go there, and 2, if he's talking about the rape case, its worth noting that it was later found to be essentially entirely fabricated.
is it really though?
I would hate to think that it's not false and UVA (with all the money and power they have) is able to cover it up and basically render all the victims helpless....but it's definitely at the back of my mind
is it really though?
Yes. It is.
New York Magazine put together a good summary of everything that happened revolving the Rolling Stone article which you can read here if interested.
Its a real shame that this whole thing was handled so poorly by Rolling Stone. They blew a great opportunity to spark important conversations about this subject by not checking all the facts before publishing.
Just gonna throw out there that misremembering details such as date and location in the event of traumatic assault is a pretty well documented psychological phenomenon, as is sympathizing with your aggressor, downplaying the event, and having a disjointed demeanor when discussing the event at various times after the occurrence.
Considering all of the above would be used to invalidate testimony, the entire judicial system is pretty well skewed against victims of sexual assault on a fundamental level.
Don't be so sure it was fabricated.
There's a difference between misremembering and completely making things up. This girl straight up made things up, and nobody has been able to corroborate anything she has said, even if some of the details were off. Now that said, there have been numerous others who have since come out and said likely true stories of being raped, but nowhere near the stories this girl was saying about being locked in a room and passed guy to guy and stuff like that. Which is sad because her fabrications are legitimately hurting other actual rape cases.
I don't doubt that a lot of her details are fabricated. That could mean she's lying. But that's also what the mind does when a traumatic event is being repressed. There are several documented case studies of rape victims fabricating alternate versions of their rape, and in "both directions," if you will: some rape victims reconstruct the memory of the rape to make it consensual (or at least feasible that the rapist believed it was consensual), while some dramatically increase the violence and brutality of the event (a byproduct, perhaps, of a society with a disposition to believe that only violent rapes are "legitimate."
She might be lying. She might have been raped. And, unfortunately, her account of the events and the inconsistencies within it shed absolutely no light on which it is.
Unfortunately, everything Illinois Hokie just said is true. In fact, even in today's world in the USA most woman that are raped feel that it was their fault and they were "leading the boy on." Their mind justifying the event as something that was a result of their own transgressions, which is often why the assault goes unreported for so long. In counselling this is one of the most common first issues to work through.
I have no idea about the girl at UVA, but even if she was, one girl lying and fabricating events does not diminish the truth that there are too many assaults on women in university life.
that being said, Alum07 was merely being humorous with the Jim Carrey image, which I upvoted.
Absolutely 100% agree with this. I was replying specifically to the" it was later found to be essentially entirely fabricated" comment. Just because her story was fabricated (or at least some key details within it can't be corroborated) that does not provide proof she was not raped.
But yeah, absolutely, Alum07 was in no way, shape or form out of line in any way.
I downvoted this and want to explain myself. I'm all for dissing UVA every second of every day but I find this completely disrespectful both to Hannah Graham's family and to any victims of sexual assault at fraternity houses
I agree.
There were victims of sexual assault at fraternity houses?
Ya I thought that was a bogus story?
Thank you for the video. I got goosebumps.
I always assumed those that were offended by the Stick It In chant were sexually repressed morality police.
I've seen nothing here to contradict that opinion.
I guess I am in the minority here because I don't actually like Stick It In. But I don't like it cause I think it's kinda lame and boring and I don't like being distracted from watching us score. But, I don't think it is particularly offensive. There are way more offensive things at football games for people to get upset about.
For the sake of clarification, do you actively dislike the chant, or are you neutral to it? Because the opinion you articulate (well) above sounds more like a neutrality, like it has no fond place in your heart.
I suppose I dislike it for the same reason I dislike the Redskins. Overexposure. I have been surrounded by it while being initially neutral, and the contrarian in me shifts the neutral opinion to a passive dislike. I'm not upset by it, but the massive fixation on something that I feel is not worth the energy or time drives me further away from it. It's kind of a polarizing effect I suppose. When everyone is so pro-something, it's hard to be simply neutral because your neutrality is inferred as anti-something, so over time I suppose it just shifts that way for me.
I might have just explained 21st century politics, but I'm not sure. That was completely accidental.
I'm in there with you. Don't hate it. Definitely don't find it offensive. Mostly I think it's just kind of silly. Not something I want a first time fan to take away from a game as a defining tradition of my school.
Considering the longstanding tradition of the tuba players playing the hokey pokey on the goal line between the third and fourth quarters, we're a program that kind of embraces silly.
The hokie pokie is a fun and cheeky cheer. I find Stick it In kinda sad and tragic.
Yeah, plus getting 60k+ to all do a little dance they probably haven't done since they were 5 is always entertaining. The best is the little old ladies that just go for it cause they're old and don't care.
I really hoped the Super Troopers bit would shine through more than it did with this comment. I don't actually find Stick it In to be sad or tragic.
Please don't fight me.
Oh, I got it... but we already had our Super Troopers Thread of the Week....
http://www.thekeyplay.com/comment/246825#comment-246825
You know, that might be why I have been wanting to watch it all week.
Dude. Get yoself back up to Blacksburg. Valentine's Super Troopers double date? I think the ladies would go for it.
We actually will be in town from tonight til Sat. afternoon, but we gotta head back to NC Saturday night. We will be doin the 30 Hr. Famine with Fieldstone, so that will be super fun.
Ha.... haha... got it. Awesome.
Reading that complaint letter reminded me of the 50s when parents were outraged at Elvis Presley shaking his hips, so they would only show him on TV from the chest up. Seriously, it's a football game and a harmless football cheer. I'm just glad the leadership and future of VT athletics is in much better hands now.
Nobody better tell this guy either
haha your time has come
I've had a question I've been wanting to ask but the right opportunity hasn't yet come up until now.
Are there any MVs or drumline members out there from 2002 that can confirm or deny that Warren G's Regulators was the theme of a/the cadence?
I went to the game against Temple that year and could have sworn that's what I heard being played as the band marched from the practice field to the stadium.
Please, for the love that is hokie and Whitful, let this continue to happen...
It has been a while, am I doing it right:
This is all I'm reminded of upon seeing the last gif...
These ladies don't mind.
The entirety of that video makes me happy. That's one hell of a drum line.
Also, 8-12 people complaining out of 10s of thousands?
Those sound like exaggerated or made up numbers. Probably way less than that?
Can I get a Bob's Burgers "Weekend at Mort's" gif?
Drumline played Stick It In and the basketball team won. Coincidence? I think not.
I like science.
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Family GuyJim WeaverIf pelvic thrusting upsets you than you must not watch TV, movies, anything online or have Facebook, twitter, myspace, reddit, the internet and have never been to college, high school, middle school, Jr High (is that still a thing?) or Lane Stadium at night during the summer.
This isn't meant to attack to the guy up above who stated his opinion, just to stuffy people everywhere who are so easily offended
Well said.
Ain't Grambling vs Southern but damn good. Additionally, when I think of drumlines, I think of Stick it in.
Like Talking out the side of yo Neck, Stick it in has that classic Drumline funk so few Pop songs have these days.
Boom! Cold chills.
Looks like I started teaching it early!!!!!
this was awesome, I graduated spring of 2008 and was disappointed when it got banned. we also have a pretty kick ass drumline
I for one hope it comes back. Also, not ONCE when it was played in Lane Stadium (while I was intoxicated or otherwise) was I sitting there thinking to myself, "Oh boy here we go, I am so pumped, we finally got close enough to the endzone for me to hear the band play that one chant that makes me giggle due to the fact that it might be perceived as talking about sexual acts and some people won't get it and it allows us to scream something that is funny or at the very least might have a double meaning." People are pumped because we have the chance to score points and win a football game that we are all probably far too emotionally involved in, as long as it isn't explicit language who cares what we are all chanting?? I just don't get the outrage.
As a side note, I remember going to Baton Rouge for the LSU game, literally every single chant they had was profanity laced. The entire stadium was literally screaming curse words in unison. While I realize profanity is clearly offensive to some, I was never more intimidated, freaked out, confused, and impressed all at the same time by an opposing teams crowd. WVU is disorganized and angry, but LSU was different. I remember saying to myself "I wonder if our players are hearing this too?"
I knew you would somehow someway get a copy of this Joe, thanks!!!
Welcome back Stick it in!!!
So much this. At the tailgate for the Miami game this year, we were in Lot 2 and the MV's were going around in small groups playing for tailgates for Hokies for the Hungry. They came to our setup and asked in we have any requests. I told them, "Y'all know what we want to hear." They played Stick It In while drunks from surrounding tailgates joined in for the chant. It was glorious. We offered them shots but they chuckled and declined. I also learned that day that another familiar tune they play is Carry Me Back. I had no idea.
You don't even understand how many drunk people ask the non-drumline groups to play stick it in during the Hokies For the Hungry food drive.
Not the thrusting of their hips forward, anything but that!
Somebody needs to send Partyboy to that lady's house.
That song is so much fun! To not offend anybody, we could limit the thrusting to two pumps only.
I want to upvote this, but it's at 38. #superstition #bro
Wanted to downvote to keep up the 38-0, but it didn't seem right to take the leg
Beaten by 6 effin seconds on the same Gif....
Great minds think alike?
Great minds?
My wife would like to give a second opinion on the matter....
You're married?
My entire perception of you just changed.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut.
Ouch.
Not what I was implying.
To be fair, she found 2
wait I think I'm missing something... 2 guys = 4 nuts unless something went wrong... so she found 4 nuts not 2? I give up
no, it's more simple than that, she has a single nut fetish. occam's razor
And yes... been married almost a year and a half
This may be crazy talk, but when I heard "Stick It In" during games, my only thought was SCORING on the field.
Stopping folks from doing a thrusting motion is about as easy as stopping people from cursing around you, booing the opponent, chanting bullshit, flipping the bird, getting friendly with the coed next to you, bringing your favorite beverage into the stadium, sitting with your friends even if your ticket is in the south end zone, throwing your pizza box in the air after a comeback win...shall I go on!
They played it prior to the UVA game at the tailgate outside of the stadium. I've heard that they are allowed to play it outside of the stadium such as pre-game tailgate situations. But you know...#SOURCES.
That said, this is the first that I've heard of it being played within the walls of the venue as well as not being relegated to just pre-game. So, it gives us hope to hear it in Lane next year...
Sad Jim.
Ohio State Game Please
Saving it for Ohio State is a very Whit thing to do
This made my day. Upvotes all around.
The only thing I want as much as Stick It In is 'Na-Na Goodbye' and old school end zones with the long T over 'hokies'.
This is a good start!
I'll pass on the Na-Na Goodbye. Reminds me of a weak high school chant. But I'm all in on Stick it in! And man do I love those long T logos!
Yeah, I did not like that one either, smacked of poor sportsmanship to me.
Joe - your post brought a tear to my eye thinking how much badassery it would be.
that was definitely a part of the VT that I went to.....both at the games for the chant and afterwards.....wink wink...nudge nudge....know what I mean?
Also what late night road trips to Radford were about, IIRC.
oh Radford....so many memories
And so many loooooooooooong drives back to Blacksburg under the harsh light of day.
I remember the stick it in chant when I was a young, impressionable lad... Yet I enjoyed the chant and didn't notice any morally incorrect behavior from students, the band, etc. The chant is one to be enjoyed, but I was focused on the football games at hand. Morality police here are just timid parents or people who seriously have issues with sexual innuendos. I'm not saying it's bad to disagree, but I believe that it's harmless fun. All I've got to say on the issue.
Same here, I didn't think of it as anything other than a chant until my over sensitive mom was appalled by her son doing hip thrusts at a football game...
This.
I grew up with Stick It In playing on the goal line and never associated it with anything sexual until I got into high school. Even after I "got it" I still didn't mentally correlate it to anything inappropriate because I grew up thinking it meant "stick the ball in the end zone."
My parents also never felt morally obligated to tell me either way and let me figure it out on my own, and I think I turned out alright.
/chugs bourbon
Glad to see "Stick It In" making a comeback! It's great to see a fun, harmless tradition for the students brought back to the game day atmosphere. Hopefully it can make a return to the football field this fall. I really never understood the "outrage" or how the chant is extremely crude, and we should be ashamed. Look, it's completely innocuous. If people think that is suggestive, then look up what the LSU student body proudly chant during their band's rendition of "Neck" during football games. It's a fun tradition to engage the student body. The students bring a ton of energy to the stadium. Why not give them more reason to get involved in the game and loud? I'm really glad to see the end of the nauseating "Hokies Respect" campaign and trying to bring a little more life and fire back into the game experience. I'm all for it.
I wish they had done this during the Florida State game. There was a much bigger crowd, it would've been a lot of fun.
Stick it in sucks. How would these students know anything about it anyway? They were middle schoolers when it was last played. i dont understand the obsession. Not a cool chant, we have plenty other awesome ones to be stuck on this.
Because people who know what's up still talk about it all the time. I'm sorry you don't think a popular goal line chant is cool, but I'm glad you think the other chants are awesome
I'm curious about the other awesome chants you mentioned. The only ones used with regularity I can think of are Lets Go Hokies and the one verse to Tech Triumph. I honestly think we need more cheers and wish we'd find a way to use the Old Hokie Cheer effectively.
All of the SEC schools have a cool chant when they kick the ball off. What kind of chant could we do?
I support this motion 100%. VT does the tomahawk chop foot stomping thing, but I see potential for another great tradition somewhere.
I'm not sure how well it travels outside the band, but the drumline taps out a beat while hands are being brought back, then does a big hit when everyone stomps their feet. The band, depending on who's receiving the kick, either chants "John Deere tractors are the SHIT" or "number (returners number) is gonna DIE" along with the beat. The last word lines up with the big hit/foot stomp. As it speeds up, it shortens to "shit shit shit shit" or "die die die die"
THIS! This needs to be sent to orientation leaders so it can travel outside the band. Every team has a kickoff ritual and this is ours, but no one knows it has a chant.
My friend and I always do the die one. We felt bad when a returner actually got hurt once.
Rubbin' is racin'.
I use this line far too often in real life
I like the idea, but not a fan of the actual chants. I have noticed the bands have their own chants that the rest of the students haven't caught on to, but I haven't heard one I love yet. Specifically the one I find odd is when Seven Nation Army plays at basketball games, the band will chant "We're not Penn State." While I get the reference, it just doesn't make sense to me. Yes, Penn State plays that song, but can we stop yelling the words "Penn State" at our home basketball games?
While we're on the topic, the Cassell Guard needs some improvement. Sometimes the chants and cheers just leave me wondering, why? For example, the countdown of the shotclock both on offense, and defense. When the opposing team is on offense, counting from 5 when the clock is actually at 9 is not throwing a college basketball player off, especially when the shot clock is right above the basket. As for when we are on offense and we count down the shot clock when it is low, this is doing the exact opposite. The defense isn't looking at the shot clock so why tell them how much time we have to shoot so that they know you have to get a shot off?
The sack chant to "We Will Rock You" is the only one I've ever really wanted people outside of the band to catch onto and do with us. Now as a regular old fan, I've noticed that people who have never heard it before absolutely love it.
Most student sections do the shot clock thing even in high school. But that, the left-right one, and spelling out Hokies are the only things that the student section do as one. Basketball student sections are always more creative than football student sections and the best ones are organized and in sync. There are two ways I see to help with our unorganized student section.
1)Have a consistent fan base that is involved. You need a large portion of the student section come to nearly every game. No ones going to know the cheers if they only come to one or two games a year. Expand the Generals so there are 50-100 people leading the cheers rather than 15. Move the band down next to the Generals so they can lead the student section together. The Generals also need to interact with the rest of the students by throwing tailgates, parties, and having a larger presence on campus. Have the student section wear a single color so its not a jumble of various colored shirts, and sell a Cassell Guard shirt in that color that everyone will buy (Pitt's Oakland Zoo does this very well, everyone has a Zoo shirt). Start integrating people into basketball with something familiar by copying the football entrance to the starting lineup announcement--Let's Go...Hokies across the gym while the other team is being announced and Enter Sandman before and during our starting lineup intros.
2) Midnight Madness--Many schools do this and we could use it to teach basketball cheers to the students
Of course the best way to get people to consistently show up to games and to not only get people to come to a Midnight Madness or even have a demand for one is to be a winning team. But I think we're heading in the right direction with that so why not start organizing the Guard now?
Does VT give students "rewards" for going to games? VCU does a great student reward system. They also have a "club" where you get tickets to every game home and away but you can only miss one home game and have to make a percent of away games( VCU provides a bus)
I remember my Freshman year I believe, we had Late Night With The Hokies. It was a free event by the basketball team that was a light open scrimmage of sorts, but it was also a chance for them to introduce who each player was, and they often did some goofy things. I remember Paul Debman doing a Greenberg impression that was pretty funny. This would be a great time to utilize learning the cheers as well as getting the students excited about the upcoming season.
Didnt tyrod and boykin show up to one of those and do some dunks?
"Basket. Basket. We want a Hokie Basket!"
That chant needs to be shot, dragged to the woods, and set on fire like Darth Vader at the end of Return of the Jedi.
Spoilers!
I was really surprised during my first game as a student when people weren't yelling Old Hokie throughout the game. Orientation led me to believe that would happen.
Oh man, me too!
I still bust it out from time to time when people find the "I am!" response to "What's a Hokie?" unhelpful.
The Stick It In chant reminds me of the early and mid 2000s when Tech always had a good running game and always stuck it in. With about 3 running backs all capable of sticking it in, it's only fitting this chant is brought back, and brought back for the Ohio State game.
The reason the chant was banned was obviously the sexual motion. But if you have taken a minute to watch the MV play at the basketball games, you will see said sexual motion..a lot. And yes I HIGHLY recommend watching because it is absolutely hilarious.
I'm just trying to stay loose...
True story: My high school band director was an MV. Now this was in the late 90's-2000. Our
drum line went up to VT (only 20 min away) to learn some new drum breaks. What little did
I know back then but our drum break we called "germ" was actually Stick it in without the
stick it in part. We had to say "pump it up, pump it up, pump it up boy." LOL! Just one more
reason why I love the chant. Brings back those high school marching band days. :)
I'm glad my HS drumline wasn't the only one to play VT's cadences/drum cheers/drum breaks. We deployed Stick It In very successfully and it stuck around years after I was gone. I think that was due to the fact that no one thrusted or yelled Oh! It was funny for the drumline and just added atmosphere to the red zone. We also ripped off Brake Drums, Timbale, and Sugar too. Brake Drums was fun to play. Oh, and the old Defense cheer with hand motions. When my wife was in VT Guard she said they made them change the "Suck it, suck it, suck it" part to mf'ing jazz hands.
Of course we named all of our ditties after STDs, because, you know....drummers.
What h.s?
Glenvar High School- 2014 2A STATE FOOTBALL CHAMPS baby
what I like about the stick it in chant is it's one more chant that the whole (or a huge portion) of the stadium can get into. In college, me and my friends would participate and just skip the pelvic thrusts, mostly for the sake of whoever was sitting in front of us with their heads at our crotch level. I'd love to see more cheers that we can all do. There's something about a whole stadium yelling/singing the same that just gives me chills (except for UVa singing the wrong words to auld lang syne, which is just eww, but how often does that even happen anyway?).
Stick it in was favorite cheer. Hyper sensitive people who get upset over something most people enjoy frustrate me. The cheer is just fun and silly; it's not rude or degrading to the other team. Stuff like stick it in are what make college atmospheres exciting. It's not golf.
Simple solution. Change the chant to "Push it in, Push it in, Push it in" and everyone wins. It sounds more like a football cheer and doesn't sound like a bunch of 5th grade boys from Floyd County Elementary School.
....It could still be taken sexually, and would be considered much worse than 'Stick it in' because it would now have rape connotations....
if you're going to view things as rapey then "push" or "stick" is pretty much the same thing, but there is no reason to view it that way. You do both in consensual sex as well.
Clearly people have forgotten how sexual "Push it in" is
I always thought we could bring it back with the words "Plug it in, plug it in, plug it in" and work out a deal with Glade for the advertising value
If/when the chant is reinstated maybe a compromise is only play it once the ball is inside the five or ten yard line.
I agree with this. It should be played for a reason not just at whim.
I got it... lets only play it when we are in legitimate scoring distance. Off the cuff, I say lets designate that area to be the red zone.
Wow, my head is spinning from all this crazy talk talk about a little cheer played right before the football teams scores. I am probably one of the oldest guys posting on the Key Play (born 1957) and I would have never imagined this was such a big deal until they announced they are not allowing it to be done anymore. My wife and I actually laughed when we read that so many people thought this was in poor taste to the university. I got news for these folks, poor taste to the university is UNC and the fact that their students athletes never attended class. That is detrimental to the university not some little cheer. I might give the pelvic thrust, but then we have the twerking now.
The bottom line, take a chill pil and enjoy the game. Most of these people that complain were probably the ones that danced on the bar tops during their day. I know because I saw you.
Football is so laced with innuendo that a little chant hardly blips on the morality meter. How many times has Madden analyzed "when the A hole closed up, the running back got great penetration up the B hole". I mean just the Patriots deflated balls are more filthy than stick it in. When teenage musicians make a career of twerking on national TV, a few lukewarm thrust in a dancing fashion is pretty minor. Also have you seen any of the cheer routines, even in high school they were more scandalous than "stick it in" because there is no innuendo type situation behind it. Are we going to support banning cheerleaders and not let in girls in yoga pants?
One of my rival high schools swim teams used to do a cheer where the girls team would line up on one side and the guys 3 feet away on the other and they would hip thrust in unison while chanting something, I don't remember what but I'm pretty sure it was sexual. My swim team would chant "Balls Deep" and "Let's Get Wet" before meet warmups. Our coach would shake his head but they couldn't stop us. Then again swimming is a much more sexual sport with the lack of clothing and our love of innuendos.
My inner 5 year old comes out every time I hear a commentator say "ball skills"
My guess is that Whit is trying to sell basketball tickets and trying to fill student seats. The way to do that is to give them a reason to come to the games; if winning games doesn't fill seats then making the students feel like they are breaking the rules will.
FTFY. 2 wins since before the new year is enough to drive any casual fan away.
Here I thought Stick It In meant getting the ball, or a player with the ball, into the endzone. Damn myself...
You really failed to live up to your screen name on this one.
Haha, though the name is more beer related.