Good luck, Tyrod....really good chance to compete for the start!
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Good luck, Tyrod....really good chance to compete for the start!
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Sounds like he will have a decent chance to compete! Go Tyrod!
I hope this isn't one of those situations where they sign 3 now and only plan on keeping two after camp. I just think the Bills fans deserve more than seeing their former first round pick cut so quickly.
Hopefully the rumored roster expansion will take place, giving more 3rd QBs chances to make a roster.
Flutie did really well in Buffalo. Hopefully Tyrod can have the same success!
Tyrod already won the head to head with Manuel in 2010. This is no contest.
Should've gone to Seattle -- would've taken over for Russel then!
Give em hell, T-Mobile!
After being in the NFL for 4 years and winning a SB with the Ravens, Tyrod should have enough skills to compete for a starting spot in the NFL. He has a better chance to be a starter than he did in Baltimore.
Definitely, I still laugh at the massive contract they gave Flacco. Wow, way to cripple the team for the long term.
Cripple the team? A superbowl, playoff spot this year, and if the defense had held somehow using players off the streets as DBs, they would have been in the Superbowl instead of NE.
I can't understand all the criticism Flacco gets for being the winningest QB in the NFL currently, going to the playoffs all but one year out of his career, and winning more road games in the playoffs or anything.
It's almost like people didn't like him because he's better than Tyrod...
Flacco is an average QB at best. Over his career he has been wildly inconsistent, one week he looks like superman, the next like Clark Kent. Granted, he has gotten a little better with that and there's no denying that he's tough. But other than one great playoff run he has rode the D for pretty much his whole career. His timing on his big playoff run was greatly fortuitous as that was a contract year and it got him paid, but there is a list of QB's that I would want in crunch time over Flacco.
PHRASING!
I've had this argument a million times and all I can understand is that the people who think Flacco is average don't watch the football games week in and week out. The Ravens defense hasn't been what it used to be in a long time. They've won a ton of football games, and it's because of the offense, and because of Joe Flacco.
If you don't believe me, watch the football games next year.
I don't have time to watch all of the games, but the ones I do get to watch I never know which Joe is going to show up. And when I hear the analysts saying the same thing I'm seeing I feel vindicated in my opinion.
If all you do is listen to the talking heads, I can see why you believe what you do. They are also the same talking heads that will tell you Andrew Luck is the next Peyton Manning/Tom Brady lovechild, but that doesn't mean he's had any sort of success outside of his extremely weak division.
I don't care about the talking heads, what i see is inconsistency. Seen a dismal season and then he gets hot in the playoffs.
Saying Flacco is more than average is saying Eli manning is elite, and I'm a Giants fan.
Thank you.
Okay so through the first 7 full seasons (Regular Season):
Eli: 59.0%, 26536 yards, 179 TD, 120 INT, 48 FUM, Overall record: 68-44
Flacco: 60.5% 25531 yards, 148 TD, 90 INT, 44 FUM, Overall record: 72-40
Postseason:
Eli: (11 Games) 61.5%, 2516 yards, 17 TD, 8 INT, 3 FUM, Overall record: 8-3 (2 SB titles)
Flacco: (15 Games) 55.9%, 3223 yards, 25 TD, 10 INT, 3 FUM, Overall record: 10-5 (1 SB title)
I think saying Flacco is more than average is saying that Eli Manning is more than average, seeing as they have nearly identical stats. Maybe being a Giants fan has skewed your perspective some.
Let me be completely clear, I am NOT a Ravens fan. I just get so tired of hearing how Tyrod would be so much better than Joe. Living in Maryland and seeing Tyrod play in the preseason, etc., as well as watching him at Tech, I will be honest in saying he still has a ways to go.
Seriously, the defense is nowhere near what it used to be. You gonna tell me an old ravens defense would give up not one but TWO 14 point leads to the pats? Who was it that was leading the offense to those leads? Oh yeah, Flacco. That last long ball to Torrey (the one that got picked, yes) don't tell me everyone didn't think back to the Mile High Miracle and think "they've done it again."
If average is the 16th best starter, Flacco is above average.
But I listen to Baltimore sports radio occasionally (Orioles, not Ravens) and the radio guys and fanbase were all talking like Flacco was an elite top 5 QB (with Brady, Manning, Rogers, Brees) the year after the Super Bowl win.
Top 10? Maybe. But he was not, is not and never will be in the same discussion as those four.
Sure, I would agree he's a top 10, definitely not top 4. But to the people saying Tyrod is better than him?
I've met people who see life through orange and maroon glasses, and I like to do the same, but those are orange and maroon bricks you're trying to look through if you think that.
Agree...but Tyrod might definitely be a little bit better than Matt Cassel or EJ Manuel. Good luck, Tyrod!
Maybe top 10.
Baltimore was a terrible fit schematically for Tyrod. No way was he ever going to supplant a never injured Flacco in an offense designed around Flacco. But it remains to be seen what TT can do in an offense more suited to him.
I have no love at all for the B'More Ravens, but you're spot on regarding Flacco
I'm curious who is on this lost of guys you'd want in crunch time over flacco. Sure, I'd take Brady, Rodgers, manning, brees over him. After that its pretty blurry. Luck or Ben maybe would get the edge, but who else? Romo? Matty ice? Dalton?
Qbs get paid. The top 4 have big contracts and so do guys who can't get far in the playoffs *cough*matt Ryan *cough* as far as I am concerned 6 out of 7 years in the playoffs while never going 1 and done makes the contract worth every penny. Oh the Lombardi was nice too
His cap numbers have still been reasonable. They aren't crazy big until after this year, when they're gonna aim to restructure.
But apparently he's been crippling the team. Everyone knows a team that makes it to the divisional round of the playoffs is crippled and really held back by their qb...
It's actually a really good job by the front office. They give him the big number to make him happy, but the first few years the cap hit is actually minimal. Now, a few years after the deal, they have the option to see if he really is the guy that's worth that much, or can try and restructure his contract.
Also, I can't fault a guy for wanting to make more money in what is a dangerous and limited career.
I'm kinda replying to multiple people here, but wanted to throw my two cents in. I do not like Baltimore, and would probably name my first child Frank Bud Tyrod Hogan if given the chance, but I have to side with the Ravens and Flacco for most of the arguments.
I can't blame the Ravens for giving Flacco his big contract. They had no leverage - as much as I love Tyrod, they weren't dumping Flacco for Tyrod. There weren't any other solid QBs on the market. He had just won them a Super Bowl. Essentially, he and his agent had a blank check, and the only thing the Ravens could do about it was try and structure it in a way where they wouldn't face total salary cap hell. It's certainly an obtrusive, difficult contract (especially because Flacco will again hold leverage over future guaranteed money when they have to restructure his deal after the 2015 season), but there really was no other alternative.
When I started thinking about my personal rankings of top NFL QB's, I expected Flacco to be right around the middle of the pack, probably in the 14-18 range. And after looking deeper, I realize that putting him there would be totally incorrect. I think I mentally downgrade him (as do other people) because he's in the average to slightly below average tier of permanent starters, which is easy to mix up with the average to slightly below average tier of all starting QBs. Teams like WAS, PHI, ARI, NYJ, OAK, MIN, STL, KC, BUF, TB, JAX, TEN have some level of instability at QB, whether it be injuries, poor performance, or young QBs. I would take Flacco easily over any of those teams' QBs in 2015.
When I looked at all of the starting QBs in the league, I could only come up with this list of eleven that I think can be legitimately argued to be better than Flacco. FWIW everyone has their own methodologies, but I personally do not drop QBs without a lot of playoff success down my list that much, nor do I move QBs who have won the Super Bowl up much. Football is a team game, and while a QB can play a huge role in that, it still takes an entire team to get that far.
Definitely better than Flacco: Rodgers, P. Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Luck, Roethlisberger, Romo
Probably better than Flacco: Ryan, Wilson, Stafford (borderline)
Probably not better than Flacco: Tannehill (close), Newton, E. Manning, Kaepernick, Dalton, Cutler
Definitely not better than Flacco: anyone else
There are more than one ways to skin a cat, and there are more than a million ways to rank QBs.
I agree with pretty much everything you said. I'd move a few of those names around, but so would everyone.
If you compare Flaccos salary to those listed here, the differences stay within a few million/year (excluding guys still on rookie contracts)
http://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/
It's hard to say he's crippling the Ravens when they keep winning games despite paying him a couple million more each year. The Ravens "down year" was 8-8. It's quite a stretch to say that Tyrod would be able to match that production
I'd argue with several of those names, but your overall point is good. FWIW, I think Luck is massively overrated, as his biggest success come in his own (extremely weak) division, and against playoff caliber teams he struggles consistently.
Rivers? I don't think he's remotely as good of a QB as you've got him ranked. Sure, he's got big numbers, but nothing else to show for it. I guess I value wins/playoff success a lot higher than you do. In the end, numbers are great, but there's only one objective in football: win.
I'd say it'd be:
Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Brees, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Romo, Luck, Stafford, Wilson, Ryan, Tannehill, E. Manning, Dalton, Newton, Kaepernick, Cutler.
But that's another argument for another day. My point was simply the people who think that Tyrod would have had more success than Flacco are being a little too Hokie crazy. I hate to say it, but for the two years I watched Tyrod in college, I knew he would be a great college QB who wouldn't be a good NFL QB, and from what I've seen of his play in preseason and in relief, I don't think I can change my opinion yet. I hope one day I will.
All that is needed for the BIlls to put the master stroke in place is to hire Sean McDonough and Matt Millen to call all of their games.
I can't believe there hasn't been more love for Tyrod following the success of Russell Wilson. I think he will win over Rex Ryan and we will finally see T-Mobile in action again.
I think that you may be right!
David Wilson will have to teach him to walk on top of snow.
I never expect Tyrod to start, but I hope the guy is making smart financial decisions. Even with a backup QB's salary, he could be setting himself up for a plentiful, prosperous life.
Rex is a qb killer. I hope tyrod does well but I'm not optimistic about this situation.
Rex is not a QB killer. The Jets' front office kill QBs.
OC for the Bills was at Stanford when they played VT in the bowl game and apparently liked what he saw in Tyrod at that point.
Only good thing about that game was that ridiculous TD that he threw followed by him asking Harbaugh if it was good and Harbaugh being like, fuck, yeah, it was good.
WTF, there was no way T-Mobile was winning the starting job with Flacco there. Why does John Harbaugh have to say this? I call BS.
at one point I read that the Ravens staff loved him. this quote kind of shocks me a little bit.
also Im a little surprised they didn't keep him because he knows the system so well. any qb going to Baltimore is going to know they are the backup, why not stick with a guy like tyrod. they must not see him being a viable replacement anymore. I hope he kicks ass in buffalo
Please tell me the Bills and Ravens play this year
Yeah but didn't the OC that liked Tyrod become OC at LSU? Regime change might've played into it.
It looks like Kubiak liked him. He turned down a bigger guaranteed contract with the Broncos to sign with the bills
http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=buffalo-bills&id=18003&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FGMxc72hAX7%22%7D
Looks like Tyrod will get a long look with the contract info and quote embedded below. Since they guaranteed him $1.2 mil, he shouldn't have much issue making the roster, and he'll be a rich man if he can take over as the starter.
Also, from the ESPN article on the signing:
Hell yeah!! Go get it Tyrod!!!
Nice. Two years worth of old salary guaranteed. With Buffalo's D, this could be an ideal situation.
Most people out there seem to think Tyrod has little chance to even make the roster but it really sounds like Rex envisions him competing (and maybe even succeeding) to be the starter.
If he manages to become the starter that Buffalo offense could be ridiculous all of a sudden with Tyrod, Shady, Harvin, and Watkins.
Him and Shady in the backfield together would be nuts. So much speed, so much shiftiness.
I am extremely excited to see that Tyrod may get a chance to show what he's got but due to Ryan's arrogance and track history with his thoughts on offense I am really worried about Tyrod in this situation. I hope Ryan has a plan to leave the offense alone and let someone else do it while he worries about tattoos of his wife and his defensive schemes.
If Tyrod starts, I might have to lean a little loyalty away from Philly (especially with the madness that has been the Eagles offseason).
It has been the ultimate show-faith-in-Chip offseason. Definitely got a little whiplash at this point. But I agree with you, I'll be keeping one eye on the Bills this year for sure.
Ray Lewis called him the Human Highlight Reel.
That has too count for something