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WR Kendrick Holland and DE Dewayne Alford are noticeably not listed.
Edit: Confirmed with Virginia Tech, they are no longer part of the program. OL Adam Taraschke, LB Dahman McKinnon and WR Carlis Parker are also gone.
I was told this from Virginia Tech, "The roster is correct, so if they aren't on it, they aren't on the team."
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Alford isn't a surprise. Holland is.
there's a huge difference between sunny and 70 and snowy and 12 in the winter. I have no idea if this is correct but I thought I heard he transferred to USF??? South Florida.. seems to make sense as he was from Winter Haven FL..
Taraschke (OL) isn't listed either.
Carlis Parker isn't listed either.
Wonder if he took the Jet Sweep with him
He left it in Deon Newsome's dorm.
Carlis Parker is also missing, wow, that's a lot of WR attrition given Stanford left the program and Tech didn't sign a WR in 2015.
Holland and Parker were two guys I expected to have bigger roles this season - figuratively and literally. Instead we're left with a bunch of (relative) shorties at WR. Guys like Knowles and Asante still being on the roster while Holland and Parker being gone... headscratcher.
Hodges and the TE's are going to be split wide a ton again this season.
Glad we still have Knowles, Asante and Meyer. Not big names, but at least one of those guys is going to get a lot of minutes this year with Phillips, Ford, Bradshaw and Newsome.
There are better playmakers in the offense to be dependent on. I'd rather see Hodges flexed out getting snaps ahead of any of Knowles, Asante and Meyer. Knowles has produced the most, but I think that was a function of targets over ability. He's a burner that never developed into a polished receiver. I'll be happy to eat crow if he has a big spring and fall.
Great point on Bucky filling the big receiver role. We have great tight end depth and he could spend a lot of time as a Flanker.
Yeah, Bucky is basically a WR.
I remember when Byrn was first getting minutes. Nobody thought he could be effective. I'm not saying Knowles, Asante or Meyer will be all-ACC guys, but at least one of them will make an impact this year. Besides, new WR coach would create more PT for someone we aren't thinking about.
It would be nice to know if Newsome can actually catch. He only did end-arounds and WR screens last year. Is he an actual WR or just a fast guy?
Final thought on WR's: If Facyson is back, more Stroman at WR?
STROMAN TO WR!!! Dude is a weapon.
No. If you can go to Blacksburg and watch Stroman in man coverage, you will understand why Stroman to WR is a bad idea.
Do you think there might be potential now to give Jahque Alleyne a look at WR once he arrives? I know in your film review you mentioned something of the sort. Safety is obviously less of a concern at this point, and he might be able to contribute faster on offense.
I'd prefer him at safety, but given this kind of attrition, it is certainly possible.
Just don't EVER put Knowles on returns. Ever.
ever.
How hard is it to find out the reasons behind the guys leaving? I know the school won't say much.
Virginia Tech won't give a statement, anything else will be some form telephone game and conjecture.
Joe does the school even acknowledge a player is no longer with the team or enrolled in school, unless you ask?
Edit: I see you have now answered this in the post, thanks Joe.
Will Matt Hill be the next Bucky? (QB--->TE)
durkin
Durkin is more like Battering Ram ---> QB
Perhaps Joel Caleb gets another look at WR? Should have lots of motivation since he could really make a difference there now if he can learn the position.
would be great but he's already been swapped around at 3-4 different positions and has yet to really pick 1 up. He might be a case of 4* athlete that never fits a position.
Caleb has played/practiced at WR and RB
his best chance at VT may be to really connect with Coach Burden, purportedly a stickler for running precise routes. Caleb hasn't been an effective blocker in the backfield, but he could be a decent blocker on the outside where he doesn't have to stand and hold his ground against a rusher. he is good with the ball in his hands and could be very effective in Loeffler's screen game.
if he gets his degree this semester and isn't challenging for playing time, could be xfer time. he could drop a classification, be immediately eligible, and play 2 years.
Would make sense, but RB is also pretty thin for spring too. If you take away Caleb, JC, Trey, McMillian, and Reid are our only other healthy RBs on the roster right now.
Well that's five healthy RBs so...
Four if you moved Caleb to WR. Wright is listed as a FB right now, Marshawn is still recovering, Shai is suspended, and even Edmunds is coming off of injuries himself. McMillian and Reid are extremely promising, but still just r-Fr. So it's still somewhat thin this spring. Maybe Caleb can step up at RB, who knows.
I hope Caleb steps up but that would be a big surprise (in a good way). Last year he didn't make a move and the top 3 RB's were injured and Coleman was struggling (early in the season). I fear it's now or never for him.
Agreed. I also think this might be his last shot to make a move. I hate that he had that fumble last year when he finally had his opportunity. I don't really like the idea of moving him to from RB where we have some guys out right now to WR, a position he apparently didn't take on very well the first time around. But if he and the coaches feel like he may be able to make an impact there right now, especially in light of the attrition there, he should probably do so. I would hate to see him at RB all spring and still not be able to move up the charts any, but he also has one final chance to impress there. I guess he and the coaches will have to decide the best route.
Soooo...moving a guy back to a position from a position he was apparently better suited for than the position he originally moved from?
Whoa, what happened to Holland? I was expecting him to be in rotation this year.
That's the one major, and unpleasant, surprise to me from this list.
Do we really need so many duplicate numbers?
I can't stand the duplicate numbers.
If it's allowable and helps recruiting doesn't matter to me.
During Ekanem's commit ceremony he made a big deal about having the #4 that JC had at the time as well.
We should try to sneak the Ekannibal into a goaline jumbo package in JC's place and see if the other team notices.
DC: "Anything funny going on with those subs?"
Press box coach: "Nope, they got #4 going back on with a couple TEs. Nothing fancy..... although he looks a little bigger from here."
By the time they realize it's Ken, it's too late. Foolproof!
Yeah.... I'm pretty sure you aren't allowed to do that....
Why not? We threw Hopkins out there at FB a couple years ago. Although "sneak" would probably be a generous term.
I thought that if you have a number on offense, the number on defense cannot be on the field. I'm sure that I heard something around that
*edit* didn't read below
As long as two players with the same number aren't on the field at the same time, no rules have been broken. Though, there might be a rule about checking in with the official, but I could be wrong.
You only have to check in as an eligible receiver if you are wearing an ineligible number I believe.
I'm pretty sure that's only an NFL rule. I haven't seen anything in the NCAA rule book that says you can become eligible by informing the ref. Interesting tidbit though, that 2 players who wear the same number cannot play the same position. So no, I don't think we could ever see Ekanem play RB in a game where JCC has also played RB.
The rule that you are referencing is 1-4-2-e:
I haven't been able to find any information on what constitutes playing the same position. (i.e. is a full back considered the same as a tailback? What about an H-Back or a Flanker?) From my limited perusing of the rule book it appears that it only contains the general categories of linemen (the players on the line of scrimage) and backs (The 4 players not on the line).
I believe this is false. In an Ole Miss game last year, NKemdiche came on the field wearing number 5 while their RB, who also wears number 5, sat out that play. The opposing coaches pointed it out to the refs after the play was over. The announcers on TV mentioned it and it was a focus, temporarily.
I believe the rule is weird. That if you have two guys wearing the same number, they can't play the same...position?...even on different plays. This came up with him last year because I'Tavius Mathers also wore 5. I'm not sure the rule, but I think it was the Egg Bowl where this came up
USC got in trouble trying to circumvent this rule by having guys change uniforms (different numbers) before coming into a game.
Never understood why so many teams do this.
Well, there are 108 players on the roster and the numbers only go up to 99...
It you can only dress how many? There is not reason to have two players on the dressing roster with the same number. USCW had two players with same number in the field at same time two years ago.
85 is the scholarship limit. I think 100? is the dress limit.
Then there are various roster size limits that hit at different times of the year. Like you're allowed more players during the season than during fall camp, or something wierd like that.
I don't think there is a dress limit. It is probably limited by cost (only on the road?) and sideline space. It doesn't seem that VT dresses too many players, like Nebraska did in the Orange Bowl in 1996 (it was like 120). It seems Beamer thinks if you aren't actually in line for any PT, you don't dress. That probably keeps the dress number in the 70's or 80's.
I thought the ACC had voted on a dress limit for away games?
I don't want to see a limit on sun dresses, if that's what we're talking about.
Because UVA would have to change their team uniform
If I recall correctly:
Roster needs to be trimmed to 105 by Fall practice
No dress limit for home games
Dress limit for away games is 72 in the ACC (but this is lifted for Bowl games)
Well there's always fractions
The vast majority of the guys listed will never dress for a game. Spring usually has a lot of duplicate numbers.
I think you could see Payne and Ford both dressing and wearing #17. Other than the two #4's, that's about it.
Bradshaw and Revis both with 21 and Terrell Edmunds wearing 22, but he might end up being the only 22
Yeah, I'm not worried about duplicate #22's.
Bradshaw and Reavis is interesting. They both would be good choices for ST's, so I bet Bradshaw ends up with another number.
Solution: use imaginary numbers
I like pi.
Leg, but pi is an irrational #, not imaginary #.
Pi is not imaginary only because you can picture it, while imaginary numbers cannot be pictured without using ring theory, which makes you picture a donut, and thus feel hungry for sweets like pi. Ergo pi is imaginary by the associative property of food, which is irrational unless drinking. (drops mike, trips over cord and falls off stage at math convention).
Beautiful. Leg!
Reminds me of this...lol.
Never seen this before, phucking hilarious
"Purple. Because Aliens don't wear hats." is now going to be one of my standard answers.
This revelation has caused me to re-evaluate my entire life since 1981. I was sure I had the alien pegged in this video.
Wasn't Tarasche (sp?) supposed to potentially start at Tackle for us?!
No, he was supposed to compete for 2nd string at Guard or Center though.
No, he quit the team for a second time.
Talk about a big FB---> 21 Dalton Roe FB 6' 1" 235. good lord our JUMBO package might actually look like Stanford's
The number changes had me panicked for a second when I couldn't find Cam Phillips
I was in the same boat. Phew!
We're gonna need a big boat.
Captain Phillips, I presume?
Was McKinnon the backup Mike or Backer? Could be why we are hearing so much about Lydon.
I think he played backer.
Shame he's gone too. That dude could burn.
Backer. And an undersized one at that.
Where's McKenzie?
Suspended from the team.
I know he's suspended...just wanted to make sure he was still with the team.
When a player is suspended they are "off" the team indefinitely, so they are removed from the hokiesports roster
10-4. Thanks.
There is no way you could come from my loins....
I did see he worked out earlier this morning on the fields but it looked like it was just him and maybe a trainer or his own trainer... not quite sure. He posted a video of him on Facebook---> which is the devil jk.
I don't see McKenzie coming back honestly.
Number changes courtesy of Andy BItter:
Cam Phillips switched from 18 to 5.
Defensive end Melvin Keihn went from 51 to 8.
Kicker Michael Santamaria went from 28 to 2.
Kicker Carson Wise went from 48 to 35.
Safety Greg Jones went from 29 to 16.
Analysis:
Three players on the roster changed numbers by a quantity of 13 apiece, all are trailing the big movers who moved 26 and 43 numbers. This could have major impact down the line.
you missed the biggie...they ALL went down. not up, DOWN!
two of them were changed to Prime Numbers and the three others to Composite Numbers!
One is the only even prime number.
Another is the cube of said prime number.
Another is the 4th power of said prime number.
The other prime number is a factor/divisor of the odd composite number.
Now we're cookin'
All three of you
The numbers are just mind boggling...
Oh crap...it's the matrix....
I wonder if Parker left for a better opportunity to play QB. I was really surprised to see both Holland and Parker leave considering all we have heard about developing players to give the 1's a few more breathers during the game. Seemed like the coaches were looking to spread the playing time around. Could just be the positions coach change and we are all looking too much into it.
Yeah, not entirely surprised that guys transferred after Moorehead left considering how beloved he was.
Really surprised about Holland and Parker. I thought at least one of those two would step up and be the big, tall WR target we need. But now I realize how important the TE unit is going to be this season. Expect Bucky to be all over the place, Malleck the senior of the group and primary traditional TE, and don't forget about Kalvin Cline. At 6'4" 240, he's another big physical target for us that could be moved around like Bucky. Still, I figure at least one person will change positions to help at WR depth, and I'm really excited to see what Bradshaw and Newsome can do, as well as if the veteran guys such as Knowles and Asante can step up and contribute.
I feel like Asante has passed Knowles. JMO
Is Vandyke a surprise? Or did his injuries have people seeing this coming.
Devin VanDyke? It was announced in February that his career was over due to injuries.
Yea I missed that somehow, kids, wife and job always getting in the way.
They must be dealt with...
Jerome Wright. Still a Hokie!
Gotta say I'm surprised all the RB's made it this far on the roster.
...and this is why I'm never worried about oversigning players. Attrition always happens.
A lot of attrition from key positions. Certainly explains why we're going after so many WR/DB/ATH types this recruiting cycle.
It'll be interesting to see who out of Knowles, Newsome, and Bradshaw steps up.
yeah, we need to snag some quality WR's in this years class. Some tall guys too. Off to a good start with Denmark.
Where's the Fox kid from Salem? Did I miss something.......?
He's not enrolled yet.
Never mind....I wasn't thinking... he must show up in the fall. I predict he'll be a goodun'!
speaking of Holland, Fisher is now listedt at whip.
Thanks...I had the two names twisted in my head, was wondering why Holland was playing WR.
Allow me to just say...
God damn it, Kendrick.
I think we should have gone after some receivers. We have to next year, get more skill positions filled
DB and WR are sort of interchangeable. Most of those guys play both ways in high school. We can't sign 0 WR and 8 DB, but we have a better recent track record of putting DBs in the NFL
This will play into a strength if more is asked of the TE's. Putting Malleck in as a traditional TE while splitting Bucky or Kalvin out with two WR's presents matchup problems. Being able to change this into a traditional two TE set through a no huddle or vice versa makes things borderline impossible. 4 wide set with two TE's at receiver can run in the fly as well.
Didn't Klein only play a couple years of h.s. football? If so having this entire year to learn more is going to make him even more deadly, we were all salivating at his potential two years ago.
One year of HS football.
FWIW, I think Klein definitely has NFL potential. It's amazing how quickly folks forget about you when you're injured (see also Trey Edmunds).
He was younger and arguably less experienced than Hodges as a 1st yr starter and put up very solid numbers. I would argue that he might even be a more versatile receiver at TE than Hodges in that he is threat with his hand on the ground (which Hodges isn't so much) or spread out wide.
Dooley only played two years of HS ball. I think he and Kalvin really step it up this year!
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Home Star Runner reference. If only I could give more than one leg...
SUNDAY SUNDAY....Someday....