
For months, it seemed the Hokies were set at quarterback in the 2016 recruiting class.
Logan Byrd of Kathleen, Ga.'s Veterans HS committed to Tech all the way back in September, seemingly ending the team's quest for other rising senior signal callers.
But as time wore on, and once the team secured the services of 2015 star QB Dwayne Lawson in January, Byrd soured on Tech and ultimately de-committed on March 9.
That very same day, an unusual signal went out on Twitter that might seem trivial, but actually spoke volumes about where the Hokies might stand with another talented 2016 quarterback.
VT — Dwayne Haskins, Jr (@dh_simba7) March 9, 2015
Dwayne Haskins of Potomac, Md.'s The Bullis School, rated a 4-star prospect by the 247Sports Composite ranking, largely seemed out of reach for Tech before that fateful tweet.
Not only had area recruiter Aaron Moorehead recently left for the greener pastures of College Station, but Haskins was fielding a bevy of major offers from powerful programs. Schools like Alabama, Florida, Florida State, Ohio State and Notre Dame are pursuing Haskins, making the Hokies seem like an afterthought.
But between Byrd's departure and the tireless efforts of offensive coordinator Scot Loeffler, it seems that the Hokies have managed to stay in the mix as Haskins nears his final decision. He only plans on taking a few more visits before committing, and Blacksburg is on his short list.
"Friday I'll be at Rutgers, then on Saturday I'll be at Virginia Tech for the spring game, then I'm trying to get back to Notre Dame and Florida before the start of June, so those are the last couple schools I'll be visiting," Haskins said Sunday at "The Opening" DC regional combine.
Haskins last stopped by campus last summer, so it's been some time since he's gotten to take a look at the layout, but it's a victory for Loeffler to persuade him to make the return trip.
"I've been to Virginia Tech last year with Coach Loeffler, and he's been begging me to come back, so I'll take my mom with me this time," Haskins said. "Virginia Tech's a really great place, a good offense, good receivers, and there's a lot of good things going over there."
As with so many quarterbacks before, Haskins seems impressed not only with Loeffler's persistence, but also his NFL pedigree.
"It definitely helps him out because he's coached those guys and he knows what he's doing, so to have those people that he coached and those people in the NFL, like Tom Brady and Chad Henne, it just shows he's done it before, so he's really good," Haskins said.
Haskins admits that any school with a wide open depth chart is encouraging, and though Lawson's future remains an X-factor on Tech's roster, he says he's certainly encouraged that there could be room for him to earn a starting job quickly with the Hokies.
"I mind a little competition, but wherever you go it's going to be competition," Haskins said. "But it's a good opportunity over there. I look at every depth chart at every school I'm considering. Wherever that lies, I make sure I rack myself up against the talent."
While earning Haskins' commitment may still be a longshot for Loeffler, a recent slew of high profile QB commitments could work in the favor of smaller programs on Haskins' list, like Tech, Rutgers and Maryland.
With 4-star passers Tristen Wallace and Jarrett Guarantano making their pledges to Ohio State and Tennessee last week, Haskins says he's well aware that time is running out for him to be a big program's sole option at QB.
"It's just crazy to think that people are committing like flies. Every day it's something new going on. I'm just taking my time with it, I'm not too worried about who commits now or who commits later," Haskins said. "The school will take me when they want to take me. Definitely there are spots filling up, but those schools that I'm interested in don't have a quarterback."
But it's not all roses for the Hokies. Haskins has long said he'd like to go to school with wide receiver Trevon Diggs, a 4-star prospect out of Rockville, Md.'s The Avalon School, and Diggs recently listed Tech 11th among his top 12 schools.
TOP 12 pic.twitter.com/HdeuQLNUql— Mr.DIGGS (@TrevonDiggs) April 17, 2015
"He's just a playmaker," Haskins said. "Tre and I go way back since freshman year, we know how to play with each other, I feel like I know when he's open, when he's looking for me to throw the ball. So the relationship you build with a receiver, you just want to build on that in college."
Haskins will join Diggs in Oregon at Nike's world headquarters this July when the two compete at "The Opening" and "Elite 11" showcases respectively, and he's hoping to have his decision made by then.
"I definitely want to commit before I go out to the finals, probably early June," Haskins said. "If not, late May, around that time."
Once he gets there, he plans on showcasing the kind of skills that have made him one of the most highly sought-after quarterbacks in the nation, and Loeffler's top target in 2016.
"I'm a game changer. Whenever I have the ball in my hands, whether it's third down or whatever situation, first down, I'm going to get the job done," Haskins said. "Whether it's inside the huddle or at these camps, I don't make too many mistakes, and if I do make a mistake, the next play won't be one. So it's just making sure I capitalize on everything that goes on around me and just be me."

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You can't win without a good QB. Great work, Lefty!
Nice work, Alex.
Lefty is eventually going to land one of these Elite 11 QBs. If he's getting interest when we're playing .500+1 football, I think all that's missing is becoming nationally relevant again.
He already has. Andrew Ford was a part of the elite 11 camp in 2013.
Andrew Ford participated in an Elite 11 combine, but wasn't invited as one of the actual Elite 11 finalists.
There is a distinction here, Ford was selected as one of 18 players who participated in the Elite 11 finals in 2013, but at the end of the 3 days of the finals competition he was not chosen as a member of the "Elite 11" group of QB's. That was the end of the competition for all of those invited.
Good point. I actually thought there was another round once it got narrowed to 11.
Also, not to downplay Ford's accomplishments at all.
No worries, I was curious myself after reading your comment and looked it up. Other than Tyrod he is the only other VT QB to make it that far, with Tyrod actually being one of the "Elite 11".
This is weird. I always thought the Elite 11 camp had a "winner," but apparently after they name the eleven, that's it.
We will be experts in the Elite 11 by the time we are done with this...So they hold regional events and anywhere between 12-24 QB's are invited to the finals based on those regional events. Then from there they select the Elite 11, and from what I can tell they do actually select one MVP, who I guess technically "wins" and I think that MVP stuff started in 2011.
From what I saw watching the show that followed the competition last year, it really just looked like they took the kids with the saddest/most inspiring stories and made them the MVPs. I saw very little about their on-field performances or any coaching points or drills or mechanics or anything. It was quite frustrating.
The news reports were all over the map on this story. Some said he was selected as MVP of the regional -- and thus would get an invite; some said nobody was selected as MVP; some said he wasn't selected; some said he was one of 14 selected (14 for the elite 11?); some said he was one of 18 selected (again, 18 for the elite 11?); some basically said nothing at all.
The one thing I do know for certain is he wasn't one of the 11 at the Final camp.
It's interesting to look at the list of players who did attend. There are a lot of names you recognize, but I'd say over half -- and maybe 2/3 -- did not get drafted.
there's more than 11 QB's invited to the final camp.
That group competes at that finall camp to be selected as one of the Elite 11.
So the fact that he was at the final camp indicates he was a top performer at one of Nike's regional football camp, that's about it.
It's like The Opening. You get invited to The Opening by doing well at one of the regional NFTC's You don't have to be MVP and #'s invited vary year to year.
Great catch, I stand corrected. Did not realize there was a distinction.
At this point I'm no longer sure there is a distinction. Nike seems to play fast and loose with the format of the Elite 11. He was invited to the final round but not a finalist. You tell me exactly how that works.
Thank god this kid didn't watch the wake forest game
Wait, did we have a notable game against Wake Forest last season? I haven't heard anyone mention anything about it on here.
Game of the century. At least I believe some have called it that.
Some sort of once in a century event took place, but I wouldn't call it much of a game.
A Great defensive shut out!
Nothing happened that day. Literally nothing.
Brilliant post.
Must have had to get to sleep early for school on Friday on that THursday night Miami game too
He probably watched us beat up the defending national champs on their turf with a healthy offense.
This kid is too nice to us
Keep in mind a good offense for a QB is one that has a few playmakers already established and a system that will get him ready for the NFL. Tech has both of those things right now. Loeffler's offense is as close to an NFL offense as you'll find in college football.
Oh man, Haskins and Diggs would be a hell of a duo to land. I still love Diggs' older brother Stefon even though he picked the Terps instead of us.
Was it close between UMD and us for Stefon?
not really.
Starting off the season with a few wins will be vital for the program. On the field results will build momentum with off the field recruiting.
Well, one BIG one especially
That's a knee slapper if I've seen one.
Thats gotta hurt for UMD that Diggs has us above the home town school and where his older brother went (over us). Looks like their "The Movement" is falling apart
If he's looking to be the sole option, he's not coming to VT.
I think that's referring to being the sole option in the recruiting class.
I'm a little worried that signing Lawson could result in a dearth of QB signings in 2016 and 2017. Haskins would be a huge get.
Trust in Lefty. If he got two QB's AND a QB transfer his first year, he'll get high-profile QB's to stack up year after year.
I trust in him to bring in QBs in numbers (much more than O'Cain every did) but getting the right QB is another story. Hoping Lawson breaks his trend.
QB hauls can fill out depth charts in a hurry: QB, move one to WR, maybe RB for some....and one other position....what is it...can't recall
DT?
#HeftyLefty
Are you not high on Ford / Durkin / Lawson / Brewer?
I think he is joking about QB to TE which might actually happen for one of those guys. They won't all stay as backup QBs and Brewer isn't a backup
ford/durkin/brewer no. Lawson is an unknown until he steps foot on campus.
That's a bit rough to say about Brewer, don't you think?
No. His 2014 was statistically equal or worse than Grant Noel's 2001.
Grant Noel had three years to learn the system prior to the 2001 season. Michael Brewer didn't have three months.
I think you'd have to look more at context. Given how shoddy our line was last year and presumably not as shoddy it was in 2001 (amongst other factors), it's probably not accurate nor fair to compare the two stats-wise.
Games won against National Championship teams:
Brewer 1
Noel 0
Statistically speaking: Brewer>Noel
did Noel lose to the worst team in the ACC and put up 0 points in regulation against them? Brewer played a great first half against OSU but the defense won that game despite him trying to give it away in the 2nd.
Weird. I remember a late drive when the game was tied at 21 when Brewer led the offense down the field for the winning score.
after 3 turnovers that did happen....
also remember holding them to 327 yards of offense and scoring a pick 6 along with two other interceptions.
brewer's best play came in the first half and it came because he was able to convert on 3rd downs and keep drives alive. that stopped in the second half until the drive to go up 28-21.
I also remember him taking a beating from the OSU defensive line, picking himself up off the ground, and staying in because he wanted to win the game and we didn't have anybody else at QB that was either a)uninjured or b)not looking to get a redshirt.
very true. I won't question his toughness at all. I just remember thinking in the first half that he looked like the most polished VT qb I could remember and had amazing pocket presence. The second half was a 360.
....so....more of the same?
You magnificent bastard. Leg.
Awww, Charlie. Probably one of my favorite Sam Waterston characters.
oh... you actually believe what you're saying?
Noel played two years after our National Championship run. It was stock full of major players, many that went to the NFL. The biggest win that year was against WVU and Virginia. Otherwise we just beat up on bad Big East, MAC and some independents. We lost to the good teams syracuse, pitt, miami and F$U.
He threw for like 800 less yards and still had 11 picks.
and this line about the OSU game:
you realize that when Noel played was when our defense scored, a lot. They won tons of games for us.
In the imaginary pick-up game where you and I are captains and Brewer and Noel are the QBs you can have Noel every damn time, and you're going to lose.
Did Noel lose to a team as bad as WF? I gave brewer credit in the OSU game for helping us get out to an early lead, which changed OSU's game plan and allowed us to tee off. I'm not saying noel>brewer but feel free to carry on with that assumption. I'm saying your argument that because brewer beat OSU he is > than noel is a joke.
imaginary football games...lol...
Ah, yes, because Brewer ran the wrong routes and had the missed blocks Loeffler talked so much about after that game. More than Brewer won the OSU game, and more than Brewer lost the WF game. Still, Brewer > Noel, no question at all. Did way more with far less.
never said brewer wasn't better than noel. said using the fact that he beat osu as the reason was laughable. the two ints he threw should have never been thrown if there were route issues. this seems like all VT fans can do anymore in regards to the offense...make excuses. would be nice to not have to and just call our offense what it is.
I've repeatedly called it what it was: a dumpster fire. You really think we can go from dumpster fire to consistent contender overnight? The fact that we played well enough to beat OSU last year is nothing short of miraculous. With all the injuries and youth on the field, expecting that sort of performance every week is ridiculous. Consistency comes with experience.
Nope I've said on every VT site I've been a part of that it would be a gradual process. I didn't think it would be unreasonable with our schedule for him to have had us around the 75th ranked offense in the country. He showed almost no improvement from the previous year with what I thought was better personnel.
Again this is his judgement year.
Tell me again how you expect linear improvement on a team with one non-freshman contributor. Byrn was the only skill guy on the field from the 2013 team. The rest were freshmen. The cluster that was the line has been well-documented. So again, I'm really curious as to where your expectations are coming from.
well for one we were ranked 91 out of 126 in 2013. Not true on the skill positions we had returning starters under 2nd year coaches and for whatever reason none of them progressed. Stanford coming into last year was expected by the fanbase to be the top WR. JC Coleman and trey Edmunds are still the top rated RBs ranking wise on the team and had both been starters over the past few seasons. The OL hasn't been good but we had returning experience and some newcomers that had great off-seasons (conte/teller). We had malleck healthy and had heard all the raves about bucky from the spring/scout team. So that's not even counting on the influx of true freshmen we had. We went up to 86th nationally. Even in this own thread we have people touting our coaches ability to get the most out of players yet we had to rely on all those true freshmen over established starters and shouldn't expect a moderate jump in our offense?
Some say "excuses," others say "rationale diagnosis of a complex team game for which no single individual is entirely responsible for the result." Our offense has been crap for years, but there's no single reason or single individual that can be blamed for losing or who can be hailed for winning the (several) times that we have since 2012.
I get this. Believe me, as the guy who ran a blog calling for Stinespring's termination, I get it. And in 2012, I would have echoed this sentiment loud and clear. Because basically since 2002, that really was all we got regarding the offense: perpetual excuses and justifications to cover up for incompetent coaching on one side of the ball. We had the wrong people in place and we kept them there way too long, and it almost killed VT football.
But this is not that team, or that staff. We dismissed the coaches that needed to be dismissed and brought in new blood and fresh insight.
It's one thing to clamor for change. It's another to expect immediate, dramatic improvement as soon as that change is made.
Rebuilding is a thing. If we had not seen an influx of talent in the last two years, or no tangible improvement in the OL, and if this spring had looked exactly like last spring, then maybe I could see thinking we're at a point where it's safe to render verdict on Loeffler. But by any objective standard, the building blocks and fundamentals of the program have improved since the Loeffler hire. It's a seductive cynicism to call the growing pains of a rebuilding process simply more of the same, but it's also not intellectually honest.
If Loeffler's offense still sputters with the pieces in place (and they are now) then I'll have no problem firing up WordPress and doubling down with firescotloeffler.blogspot.com, but a guy has to have a chance to get his legs under him.
Agreed and I didn't want him fired because honestly what kind of OC could you have brought into this situation with Frank possibly nearing the end of his career that would make a big difference? Maybe you could have struck gold and gotten some ambitious up and coming mind, but odds of that probably weren't high. I'm hoping loeffler becomes one of the top OCs in the country and comes out and shocks OSU with a great game plan just like any other hokie. I just haven't seen anything that leads me to believe that will happen. Again I didn't expect him to go from a 110th ranked offense to top 50, but I did expect more improvement than we saw last year and I think any reasonable fan expected that as well.
I was with you right up until the last line. I had zero expectation from Lefty last season, because I've always said he was playing with house money his first two years.
I have a host of reasons why I think the offense did what it did last season, but I'm not gonna articulate them, because it's gonna sound like excuses. Instead I'll just say, I consider myself a reasonable fan and I didn't expect improvement. I was fine with whatever, because last year was the second transition year. I don't think any valid conclusions can be drawn from either 2013 or 2014, good or bad.
Now, however, I expect considerable improvement. The grace period is over and this is Lefty's reckoning. But I'm entering 2015 neutral, neither optimistic nor pessimistic. I'm just gonna take the results on the field and interpret them to judge Scot Loeffler as an OC. The trial starts Labor Day.
Wow, you still don't get it.
Ok. You are comparing Noel, with a team two years removed from the National Championship run, with upperclassmen guys like:
Jarret Ferguson
Lee Suggs
Andre Davis
Emmett Johnson
Ernest Wilford
Jake Grove
Anthony Davis
not to mention, Kevin Jones as a Freshman.
to the team that we had last year that had 2 true freshman starters at WR, 2 true freshman at RB, a true freshman walk-on at FB, R-Fr at TE and a cobbled together OL whose best player was a recruited DL that didn't even start at the beginning of the year.
hmmm... yep, perfectly logical.
If you think Noel would have any better than Brewer last year then you are kidding yourself, not to mention if you somehow think Noel would have beat OSU.
Brewer took so many huge hits, kept getting back up and throwing the ball all season long. It was a big achievement to keep the bowl streak alive and no matter the WF loss a HUGE milestone for VT as a program to have beat OSU in Ohio, especially when they went on to win the National Championship. Now I am not a "mission accomplished" guy or "co-champions" guy but that win and every player that achieved it deserves more credit than you understand to give. The fact that Brewer wasn't playing as well after the half was because OSU made adjustments at the half, as coaches tend to do. Despite that he and the offense managed to keep it together and come back. That's not a defensive win, that's a team win.
my brewer>noel comment was to refute the "statistically speaking" nonsense that was written above. You are entitled to your opinion but if you want to make an argument then back it up with something more than crack analysis such as "he was giving it away" and "our defense won the game".
You still aren't getting it. I never said brewer > noel or noel > brewer. I said using the OSU game as indicator as to why he was better was awful. If you want to talk to talent around him, td/int ratios, passing efficiency over the season as for the reasons why brewer > noel i'd agree with you all day.
Our defense won the game more so than an offense that mustered 324 yards and a qb with a 117.5 rating. Like I've said in the first half I believed all the hype that we had heard about brewer and thought he was the real deal. it changed in the 2nd half.
Your first reply to my brewer>noel comment, one that was specifically about Brewer being better:
Spin it however you want but you are saying noel>brewer.
Your understanding about how difficult it is for an offense to beat a national championship caliber team is the joke here, let alone last year's OSU team.
Alabama had 407 in their loss. Oregon had 463 in their loss. Whisky 258 in ther loss. Michigan 372 in their loss. Notice a trend yet?
Yeah you need your defense to perform, which thankfully it did, but you need your offense to win the game just as much. Fortunately unlike every other team that played them last year ours did.
No i'm pointing out that by saying X player beat X team is an awful indicator. The end. Just like it would be saying because we beat OSU we were the 2nd best team in the country. Last I checked OSU didn't have a great defense last year. They were 19th and we gained less yards then they gave up on average. Brewer was an average QB and i'm grateful that he transferred and gave his all out on the field, but i'm not going to act like he was a superstar.
Then so is saying x player LOST to x team.....
yeah... sure dude. But then why did you say this:
So... you're argument here is that X player lost to X team and that is an indicator that he is bad. Way to prove your point. The end.
yeah, they were terrible last year. they lost so many games last year. Oregon lit that field on fire. And Whisky, they scored how many points? they were SO BAD....
I never said Brewer is a superstar. He is better than Noel. He deserves more credit than you are giving him for the win over OSU. That's what I said.
Me making the noel comment was showing how dumb that argument was. Never said they were horrible they just weren't great and we didn't even move the ball as well as teams did on average against them. How much more credit does he deserve then what I've already said? I've said I thought he was the qb we had all hoped for in the first half, which would seem to mean I thought he was pretty darn good. I thought he was equally as bad in the second half until the drive to go up 28-21, which again was critical on his part. I credited his toughness and was grateful for him transferring because regardless of how he played he still was the best QB we had.
Ok... sure. Let's say that's what you intended with your Noel comment.
Then surely you can understand that my brewer>noel comment was to show how baseless the "brewer was statistically worse than Noel" comment above was. which leads to...
how are you basing your view on OSU's defense? statistics? Because they were statistically ranked less than top whatever?
to which I say:
OSU defense national championship: 1
EVERY OTHER TEAM's DEFENSE: 0
OSU defense>Every other team's defense
The point, which is the same as my original point with the brewer>noel comment, is that statistics can't tell the story. They can only provide the metric. If you were given a choice between having the #1 defense and not winning the national championship or having a bad defense and winning the national championship, which would you choose?
Understand now?
What year are you even talking about Noel? he was better his jr year when he was the starter than brewer was last year statistically...it's not up for debate. The part up for debate could be the talent around him. I honestly can't recall who he had offensively around him but looking at the 2002 draft andre davis, bob slowikowski and Jarrett ferguson were drafted.
As for OSU's defense > other team's defense that's your opinion. If you actually believe OSU had the best defense in the country last year no wonder you want me to induct brewer into the VT HOF. As for your hypothetical, i'd take the trophy every time but i'm not going to claim my defense is the best because we won it especially if our offense was the driving factor.
so..... you don't understand...
If you look at only Brewer and Noel's statistics side by side does that tell you why Noel's statistics were better? No it doesn't. It's only a metric. That's it.
Incorrect. This is the part that is not debatable.
you can, because I just told you a few comments above. Thanks for paying attention.
never said anything about Brewer being inducted into anything. No idea where you get this.
never said OSU was best defense in the country. My point is that having the best defense doesn't really matter unless you win. Only OSU won the championship last year, that's what matters. Their defensive statistics come second to that. Just like: Only one team beat them last year, only one offense and only one QB. So having the best offense or QB doesn't matter either, unless you win. We won that game. No other offense or QB did. That's what matters, regardless of what the QB or offensive statistics show as a metric for that game.
Would you take Brewer's win with his statistics for that game or Mariota's (or whoever had the highest QB rating against them) loss with his statistics for that game? I'm taking the win.
Honestly both of you need to just stop. I clicked on the link with new comments thinking there was a lot of new, insightful comments and I just get an argument. It's bender 2.0
I concur
apologies for that. To be fair though it's an argument about football not about "stick it in" and telling everyone "or else?"
But I'll let it go just the same because it's bothering you.
You realize you can now just collapse tangential threads that don't interest you, right?
i'll make this as easy as I possibly can for you. The poster that said noel had a better season statistically than brewer did last year, was 100% correct. You can't debate it. You bringing in other factors to argue who was better is one thing, but those still don't change the fact that he wasn't statistically better. I, like you, don't believe he was a better player just because he had better stats. The supporting cast is entirely debatable plus the modern era of college football. It's all hypothetical arguing who was better plus we are playing in a more pass happy era then it was in 2001.
Not sure how you can make a claim that if you look at their two stats side by side you can't claim one was better. If we are both in the same class and I end the year with a 99 average and you end the year with a 94 average, who was better?
Football is a team game. It's not just about offense/defense/special teams it's about the combination of the three to win those games. We did just enough in all phases of the game to win against OSU but if I had to credit one more so than the others it would be the defense every time. You seem to disagree and think it's the offense and you are entitled to your opinion.
Would take the win every day as I've said multiple time. Still isn't going to make me champion brewer like you are trying to do.
Done arguing with you. You are obviously a PATT and I'm not. Go Hokies.
I'm with you on everything you're saying. But I wanted to point out that the "statistically speaking" comment was posted by cds7c, not knawaz03.
fully aware, which is why it's mind numbing why knawaz03 is harping on it so much.
Gotcha. Just wanted to make sure you realized it was two different posters, because I didn't for about half this conversation.
no. I just don't think he's a good QB, but unfortunately he's probably the best we have.
How can you have already formed a critical opinion of two QBs who have yet to take a live snap in a game? What criteria are you using to judge Ford and Durkin?
have you seen Ford's arm strength? Durkin is losing time due to injury and was already behind ford and people are already talking about potential position changes. Or it could be that we have a bad qb situation, IMO, and neither of them can make a move up the chart.
So your knock on Ford is arm strength without considering accuracy, and your knock on Durkin is the fact that he's fourth on the depth chart because injury has held him back?
Look, like the QBs, don't like the QBs, I don't care. But it is impossible to rationally look at the position today vs what it was in 2012 and say that Loeffler hasn't made huge strides in improving our situation.
To say that we might have "a bad QB situation" is only tenable if you admit that three years ago our QB situation was the seventh circle of hell.
All indications are he is right. Ford nor Durkin will ever start a game at VT barring injury. Durkin doesn't have the accuracy and should be a tight end. Ford doesn't have the arm strength or mobility that Motley has and Motley is improving daily. That's before you add Lawson and anyone else to the mix.
There is also a question about how Loeffler develops QB's. We are well aware of LT, but his past includes the debacle at Auburn, whoever the QB was at Temple....then John Brantley at UF (!), one year of Tebow. He led (?) Daunte Culpeper with the Lions to their 0-16 record. Chad Henne was a long time ago. And, no, he wasn't Brady's position coach. That was 15+ years ago and Loeffler was a grad assistant.
Hold up...
Are you honestly saying that the reason that the Lions went ohfer in '08 was because of their first year QB coach? Who was coaching a nine year veteran of the League and who, judging by the fact that he was playing for his fourth team in four years, was obviously in the waning years of his peak?
So the head coach, offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, strength and conditioning directors and entire roster of paid professional athletes get a pass, and it's Lefty's fault?
I mean, I know you aren't a member of the Scot Loeffler Fan Club (we meet on Tuesdays) but don't you think saying he "led Daunte Culpepper" to a winless season is overstating it a bit?
The debacle at Auburn? You do realize in his one year as Off Coord, his BEST available QB was a essentially a defensive back. I'm sure the offense would have been a tad better if he had NIck Marshall.
Not to mention that he was trying to play a pro-style offense with Gus Malzahn's roster hand picked for his spread offense. Couple that with Gene Chizzik's general incompetence and reactive decision making due to the pressure he was under, and you have the makings of a complete clusterfuck. But that doesn't play into the narrative that it was Loeffler's fault.
I hope loeffler succeeds because it's best for VT football, but at some point you can only makes excuses for so long. Outside of temple who played awful competition he's not had a very competitive offense and he's had plenty of talent to work with at other stops.
He's been the OC three places: Temple, Auburn and VT. Temple saw a very sizeable offensive improvement during his one season and Auburn tanked. So to say outside of Temple eliminates exactly half his career as OC.
bad at auburn and bad here seems like 2 out of 3? Temple was also ranked 56th in the mighty MAC.
56th in the MAC? What does that even mean?
Loeffler was in a dumpster fire at Auburn. Chizik drove that team into the dirt.
Temple was 7th in the nation in rushing and 33rd in passing efficiency the year Loeffler was there. That's a coherent offense. Sure, they were in the MAC, but it means he got good production out of the athletes he had, against the competition he faced. I tend to think that the talent level at VT is greater and we will finally see what he can do with a more talented level of athlete, though he's obviously going against better talent.
The problem with assessing Loeffler is that over the last few years, he's been a journeyman. Michigan for a long time, with a storied program and great talent is one thing, and he was the QB coach, not the OC, so we can't say much there. But then he spent two years at Florida (QB coach), one at Temple (OC), one at Auburn (OC). None of those stints are enough to try to predict what he's going to be capable of or fairly assess how good of an OC he is. He was basically doing spot duty in all of them (and at UF he was again only a position coach, so that's not really necessarily relevant here). This year is when I think our fan base can fairly judge Loeffler. Three years in, better recruiting, and finally a QB who has been taught properly for more than a few months prior to the season.
All the rest is useless in these arguments. We've been crap on offense for a long time, even before Loeffler things were pretty bad but we managed to win (thanks in large part to straight-up beast athletes at the skill positions and an occasionally decent line). This year, for me, is the deciding year of whether or not the Loeffler hire was a good one. There are complicating factors everywhere, but that goes away now for the first time.
So you've already cast your ballot that we're bad? That's fine, but I honestly think you're failing to appreciate the scope of the rebuilding project we've had on offense. Could anyone have had more success given the situation Scot walked into? Given the state of our offensive roster, particularly QB, and the absolute disaster Newsome left us with at OL, I don't think so.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying you're premature. To me, this is the season to judge Loeffler. He's got his players, a returning QB, and a known commodity at OL that, while not particularly deep, should be familiar enough to him to be able to work around the inevitable injuries the season brings.
So let's pick this conversation up after the season. If we tank, I'll be ready to call for Loeffler's job. But to me, this will be the first season that will provide enough data to make an educated judgment about Loeffler's value as our OC.
no the ballot has already been cast the last two years. No idea about this year, but based off of watching his games and seeing him poorly utilize our talent and make poor adjustment, IMO, I don't think we'll be a good offensive team this year even with the talent.
I absolutely agree about this is the year he gets judged. I can cut him some slack in 12 with the offense not having super talent, but last year we had pieces to work with and this year if he can't make it work the finger is pointed squarely on him.
I will never understand this mindset, the absolute refusal to accept rebuilding periods in a program and the insistence that it must be the fault of a member of the current coaching staff.
Weaver, Newsome, O'Cain and Stinespring (as OC) damn near throttled the life out of this program and left us in dire straights. You can blame Loeffler for all our struggles his first two years here, but you're wrong. We became a bad football team because we stuck with incompetent coaches for too long, not because we hired Scot Loeffler.
I bet you're just a delight to watch games with
The ther guys have already torn the laughably flawed mindset here to pieces, so I'll just say simply that I disagree quite strongly with darn near everything you've brought to this entire argument.
You're right our offense has been world's better under Loeffler than it was under the previous regime. Can't wait to hear the excuses if we struggle this year from people like you.
You seem pretty confident we will. As Hokiex3 pointed out, I'm sure you're just a joy to watch games with. You're not being a realist. You're being ignorant. Nothing the offense has done this spring indicates we'll struggle like we have for the past decade and a half.
I'm being a realist, look in the mirror. If playing basically a 2nd string defense gives you hope that we're going to be drastically better I don't know what to tell you. I'm as hopeful as anyone that the offense clicks, but basing it off the spring scrimmages where it's predominately 1s v 2s and even when it's 1s v 1s we're missing our best starters minus dadi seems like a stretch to me.
Please tell us about the pieces he had to work with last year...
There were a lot of pieces. There were pieces from all the injured running backs. There were the pieces of Brewer that were knocked off him in every game. There were pieces of the OL. I mean there were a TON of pieces.../s
"...Pieces from all of the INJURED running backs". Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?
If by "pieces", you mean 11 guys in VT jerseys whenever VT was offense, then yes there were pieces. If you mean an offense with veteran, draft worthy talent...not so much.
...I think you missed the "/s" at the end. It was meant as a joke, as in pieces of their bodies.
Got it. Intentionally ridiculous. Sorry.
Uh...I think he meant we had so many injuries at running back that they were literally, you know, in pieces. Like falling apart?(I think he was using sarcasm to agree with you, hence the /s at the end of his post.)an NFL caliber TE ( Hodges), 4 quality RBs (yes two tore ACLs) but trey and jc have/had shown they could be starter quality, 3 returning 500 yard WRs plus two true freshmen that eventually became the starters (only one of those returning 500 yard WRs came close (byrn)) and even though our OL wasn't great we returned quite a bit of experience with farris/wang and Gibson. It's been a long time since I can remember that many kids playing on the offense that recruiting sites considered 4* material, so yes i'd say we had some talent to work with last year. if we didn't have talent to work with last year why do people seem to think we're going to do so much better this year?
Sorry but Hodges wasn't even close to an NFL caliber TE last year. That's seriously overrating where he was as a player. That he's the first one you mention shows the exact lack of tools everyone speaks of.
hodges would have been drafted last year off of potential alone. if you don't believe so you either don't know football or are kidding yourself.
not like he managed to get 3rd team all-acc in his first year playing and the two who finished in front of him were seniors that are projected to go in the 3rd and 4th rounds.
Potential being the key word.
Agreed. He definitely would have been drafted, but that future potential didn't help Brewer last year
How I feel about this whole line of thought and your logic.
take a look. i'm sure you can find another 20-30 projection sites that feel bucky is going to be drafted. This one has him projected as the 3rd TE in his class.
here is another mock with him in the first round.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=127306&draftyear...
http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/17mock.html
And Logan Thomas would have the in the NFL Hall of Fame based off your reason of potential alone after one year.
logan would have been drafted after his r-so year and higher than he was after his r-sr year. Never said either of them would be great NFL players, but if you haven't noticed the NFL draft is as much about measurables as it is about production nowadays. NFL coaches think they can turn great athletes that may have received sub-par coaching into the next big thing.
So how does potential (Defined: latent qualities or abilities that may be developed and lead to future success or usefulness.) help Loeffler or Brewer or any of us LAST YEAR? This makes zero sense....
3rd team all acc TE isn't talent in people's opinion? How about 7 reception TDs which tied for the most by a VT player since the early 2000s? Are people really trying to argue that bucky hodges isn't talent?
And college coaches don't? BTW do you not understand how VT football has worked for the last 20 years. Taking sub 2 & 3 Star players and turn them into great athletes. I don't think we have to worry about upcoaching at VT.
says the guy who doesn't understand how Brewer could have struggled in the second half against OSU. All those big hits affecting him? Nope. OSU coaching staff making adjustments at halftime? Nope. Games having momentum shifts and OSU finding theirs in front of a home 100k+ crowd? nope. Young receivers running wrong routes and having timing off? Nope. Offensive line making misreads at the line allowing for increased pressure in the 3rd Quarter? Nope. It was only Brewer. He was giving the game away.
man you are dense and grasping. so you agree bucky hodges isn't a NFL talent? I've given brewer credit for multiple things in that game. His first half was a huge part of the win, but personally I feel his decision making on several turnovers in the 2nd half could have potentially cost us the game as well. to his credit when the team needed him and the game was tied he did what was needed. If you want to make a shrine for the guy, feel free.
There's no reason to resort to name calling. This discussion has focused on facts, stats and specific arguments/statements thus far. Don't get personal.
apologies.
My comment isn't about Brewer. It's about you telling someone else they don't know anything about football. If you want anyone to believe what you are saying then you need to start making logical sense.
if someone watched bucky hodges play last year and didn't think he has the talent to get to the NFL would you think they understood the game or how the NFL draft works?
He had the potential to go to the NFL. He was not an NFL caliber Tight End, as you asserted. I understand football just fine, thanks. Done with this.
If you play in the NFL or get drafted, you are NFL caliber IMO. I'm done with this as well. Hope the offense tears it up and all of you are right about everything.
What happens when you get drafted and then are cut in camp? Are you NFL caliber still?
Depends on why you get cut (injuries, legal, etc.), but very few people projected in the round bucky has been get cut in camp so I like his odds of being "nfl caliber".
People think they'll be better this year because there's a lot more to it than talent.
A Frosh TE who didn't really know how run routes and be the aggressor on jump balls, frosh WRs who didn't know how to block or get separation from bigger DBs, Frosh & Soph guards whose minds were tying up their feet, an OT who probably didn't even know the entire playbook let alone actual OT techniques, a QB who had all of 3 weeks to not only learn and understand the system, but had to gel with the aforementioned frosh TE & WRs, and so on.
You don't really get to work on those things during the season; you're too busy just trying just to keep your head above water. If someone doesn't think it's an reasonable expectation to see the above improve after going through a full offseason, spring practice and fall practice, then they need to stop playing Madden and looking at recruiting rankings and start watching some real football.
Awful competition? Perhaps. But it was Temple...it's not exactly like he had USC's offensive talent.
I'd like to get this guy, and also have two Tre/avons on the roster at once.
Growing up watching a lot of VMI football, Thomas Haskins was one of the best Keydets I ever saw play. Dwayne Haskins just seems like a great name for a natural Hokie playmaker; not unlike Marshawn Williams. This revamped offensive staff, if nothing else, has widened our recruiting net and created some renewed interest. I give Loeffler a good deal of credit for this, particularly when it comes to QBs.
TomCat!
#ALLTHEDWAYNEQBS
Perhaps the VT receiver need could help sway Diggs and therefore Haskins. Probably not, but I can hope. It seems like VT has the clearest path to the field for a WR of those schools. Anywhere else on Haskins' list is going to have quality QB recruits before and after him, so I don't see Lawson as too much of a deterrent. It'd be best for both to redshirt anyway, so they'll still have a year between them.
Thing is Diggs was wearing Alabama gear at the Nike event so thats gonna be tough
same with Tino Ellis...
dammit
Would be awesome to get both! Has Trevon visited us? Or is coming for Spring game as well?
Sometimes I wish Leftys offense was a little less complicated for a college player. So if I guy comes in with talent, he can step in and play in his first two years in Lefty's offense.
For example; Lane Kiffin has an NFL offensive mind as well but then he dialed it down to lead in tons of offensive statistics where those guys could understand within one summer and do it up in the fall. But with our offense it seems to take a lot longer to learn? Thoughts?
Its hard for me to see Lawson coming in and contributing right away when it has taken Brewer and the other guys so long to really learn the offense.
To the fairness of Brewer he did come in and start from summer practice. He didn't have a spring to practice it and he was also breaking in new receivers as well, not to mention an unproven running game with new guys.
Yeah, you lost me there.
EDIT: Should have been a reply to the above comment. Whoops
I guess, has an NFL background would have been a better way to put it?
Meaning a guy that has been in the NFL, using an NFL offense like ours, but is able to get college players to be able to execute the offense after only two months instead of it taking a year and a half.
We did just make the top 5 for Jawon Pass. 4/5* DT QB from GA. Other four are Bama, Auburn, Louisville, and UNC. http://247sports.com/Player/Jawon-Pass-33473
nice!
I'd be fairly surprised if he left NC, and downright shocked if he chose us. Not disappointed if he came to Blacksburg, just extremely surprised.
Why would leaving NC surprise you? Elite players leave NC all the time. I would be amazed if he chose us though, but UNC already having a qb and Auburn likely to get another blue chipper might help a little
I'm confused...isn't he from GA?
Whoops, got a couple wires crossed. He is in fact from Georgia. Still, UNC seems near the top of his list. More importantly, I have yet to hear anything say that we're higher than 5th or 4th on said list, so I'd still be quite shocked if he chose us.
Auburn
I live in the same town. He's 45 minutes from Auburn, and everyone here loves them and Bama. Seriously doubt we're the team he picks.
Yea our only shot is Barrett committing to Auburn and Haskins committing to Bama before he decides
A QB named Pass is almost as good as a lineman named Plantin
He plays DT and QB? Sounds like the perfect TE for VT...
That might be "Dual Threat"
That might be "a joke"...
Football names, "it's a team sport" style...


LET'S DO THIS TONIGHT

Man, that's one small Wang.
This is happening?
Yeah, I guess this is happening...
You sir have emerged victorious
This thread is awesome.
Gotta love the classics.
Might be the funniest thing I've seen in several days. Thanks for the laugh on a day that just ain't going my way.
Everytime this year I try to remind myself not to get involved with recruiting.....

I also do that for a couple hours a month.
so here's my recruiting evolution through the year.....
spring ball time

football season time....

signing day.....

usually about 10 min after signing day is complete....

then the cycle repeats....ugh
We take them to the party but at the end of the night they're not going home with us .

EMMA WATSON SIGHTING! I REPEAT EMMA WATSON SIGHTING!! POST ALL THE EMMA WATSON GIFS!!!!!

Man, folks getting worked up all over the place the day before the Spring Game.
Wait, there's football tomorrow?
Fire Loeffler!
Bench Brewer!
Frank has lost his touch!
#LEAL4PRESIDENT
We lost because of orange uniforms!
Bud Foster can't recruit!
@#$^#%@ nooners!
Fans these days don't know how to behave!
...did I miss any?
Something something Wake Forest.
I think you mean "nothing, nothing Wake Forest."
I see what you did there. And all I can say is...
Ow, my heart
Don't forget these classics:
Fire Stinespring!
It's all Weaver's fault!
It's a white/maroon/orange game we should be pumped! The OLine/QB/WRs should be better than this! Why are we running on 3rd and 2? Why are we passing on 2nd and 2?
Dammit Newsome!
Haskins is making his announcement this afternoon.
I'd be shocked if it wasn't Maryland.
Maryland it is.. and probably the younger diggs too and maybe even Tino Ellis woahhhh